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understand the implications, so much so that the inquiry was exasperated by the end of it. also the issue of remote access and we are likely to have questioning about what she knew and when she knew it. yesterday she said she missed a key e—mail about this in 2010 and all of this started with an apology that many of the victims i spoke to were not particularly satisfied with. i spoke to one victim who was a sub—postmistress and was accused of stealing but was eventually wrongly convicted of false accounting and a listen. studio: i think we will listen to that now. �* , , ., , studio: i think we will listen to thatnow. �* , , ., ., , that now. because she was already contradicting _ that now. because she was already contradicting herself, _ that now. because she was already contradicting herself, she - that now. because she was already contradicting herself, she said - that now. because she was already contradicting herself, she said one| contradicting herself, she said one thing _ contradicting herself, she said one thing and — contradicting herself, she said one thing and then she contradicted herself—

thing and then she contradicted herself again and it just seems to be that_ herself again and it just seems to be that she only remembers things when _ be that she only remembers things when it's_ be that she only remembers things when it's not her that's in the firing — when it's not her that's in the firing line _ when it's not her that's in the firing line. so when it's not her that's in the firing line-— when it's not her that's in the firing line. when it's not her that's in the firina line. , , , ., ., firing line. so you stepped out to take a breath? _ firing line. so you stepped out to take a breath? yes, _ firing line. so you stepped out to take a breath? yes, i _ firing line. so you stepped out to take a breath? yes, i got - firing line. so you stepped out to take a breath? yes, i got quite l take a breath? yes, i got quite an: so take a breath? yes, i got quite angry so i— take a breath? yes, i got quite angry so i had _ take a breath? yes, i got quite angry so i had to _ take a breath? yes, i got quite angry so i had to step - take a breath? yes, i got quite angry so i had to step out - take a breath? yes, i got quite angry so i had to step outjustl take a breath? yes, i got quite i angry so i had to step outjust to regroup— angry so i had to step outjust to regroup before i went back in and listened _ regroup before i went back in and listened to— regroup before i went back in and listened to the next litany of answers _ listened to the next litany of answers. ,, , listened to the next litany of answera— answers. she said she was completely sor and answers. she said she was completely sorry and she — answers. she said she was completely sorry and she is _ answers. she said she was completely sorry and she is truly _ answers. she said she was completely sorry and she is truly sorry _ answers. she said she was completely sorry and she is truly sorry and - sorry and she is truly sorry and apologised to you and the other victims present in the room. what do you make of that apology? i victims present in the room. what do you make of that apology?— you make of that apology? i don't acce -t it, you make of that apology? i don't accept it. i'm _ you make of that apology? i don't accept it, i'm sorry. _ you make of that apology? i don't accept it, i'm sorry. she - you make of that apology? i don't. accept it, i'm sorry. she apologises because _ accept it, i'm sorry. she apologises because she — accept it, i'm sorry. she apologises because she thinks she has to, not because _ because she thinks she has to, not because she thinks she has to, not because she means it, or at least thats— because she means it, or at least that's how— because she means it, or at least that's how it feels to me. you were there in the — that's how it feels to me. you were there in the high _ that's how it feels to me. you were there in the high court _ that's how it feels to me. you were there in the high court hearing - that's how it feels to me. you were there in the high court hearing in l there in the high court hearing in 2018 when she gave evidence, what was the feeling then amongst you and

the victims? �* ., ., the victims? again, we were not ha- the victims? again, we were not happy with _ the victims? again, we were not happy with what _ the victims? again, we were not happy with what she _ the victims? again, we were not happy with what she was - the victims? again, we were not happy with what she was saying | the victims? again, we were not - happy with what she was saying then and the _ happy with what she was saying then and the fact that she was asked to step out— and the fact that she was asked to step out and take a break and give evidence _ step out and take a break and give evidence again, which was then different— evidence again, which was then differentjust it's all evidence again, which was then different just it's all about protecting herself and really nothing about doing what she should be doing _ nothing about doing what she should be doing which is telling the truth. she kept— be doing which is telling the truth. she kept saying that things didn't register with her at the time, the issues that were being flagged up to her was the horizon it system and she said she didn't understand the implications of what that meant. i’m implications of what that meant. i'm sor , but implications of what that meant. i'm sorry, but she's a very intelligent woman— sorry, but she's a very intelligent woman as — sorry, but she's a very intelligent woman as she knew exactly what was going _ woman as she knew exactly what was going on— woman as she knew exactly what was going on and for her to stand and say she _ going on and for her to stand and say she didn't, i find that quite, i find that— say she didn't, i find that quite, i find that quite abusive that she is

not that— find that quite abusive that she is not that i— find that quite abusive that she is not that i didn't know karen. do you acce -t not that i didn't know karen. do you accept that — not that i didn't know karen. do you accept that she _ not that i didn't know karen. do you accept that she was _ not that i didn't know karen. do you accept that she was relying - not that i didn't know karen. do you accept that she was relying on - not that i didn't know karen. do you accept that she was relying on the l accept that she was relying on the advice of the legal team? to some extent, advice of the legal team? to some extent. yes. _ advice of the legal team? to some extent. yes. to _ advice of the legal team? to some extent, yes, to some _ advice of the legal team? to some extent, yes, to some extent - advice of the legal team? to some extent, yes, to some extent yes. i advice of the legal team? to some i extent, yes, to some extent yes. but she was— extent, yes, to some extent yes. but she was getting paid a very good amount— she was getting paid a very good amount of— she was getting paid a very good amount of money to understand what she was— amount of money to understand what she was doing and if she didn't understand what she was doing, then she is— understand what she was doing, then she is negligent and again, she should — she is negligent and again, she should be — she is negligent and again, she should be blamed for that. how does it feel when in the last _ should be blamed for that. how does it feel when in the last few weeks - it feel when in the last few weeks we keep hearing about these missed opportunities where executives could have done something to recognise these convictions were unsafe? again, itjust seems that ceos and again, it just seems that ceos and upper— again, it just seems that ceos and upper management have all got nine or ten— upper management have all got nine or ten differentjobs and upper management have all got nine or ten different jobs and they only spent _ or ten different jobs and they only spent two — or ten different jobs and they only spent two or three days within a certain— spent two or three days within a certain business. how can they possibly— certain business. how can they possibly do theirjobs properly and expect— possibly do theirjobs properly and expect to — possibly do theirjobs properly and expect to be paid the amount of money— expect to be paid the amount of money that they are paid, which is ridiculous— money that they are paid, which is ridiculous amounts for what they do?

and not— ridiculous amounts for what they do? and not being negligent if they don't _ and not being negligent if they don't know what's going on in the business — don't know what's going on in the business it— don't know what's going on in the business. ., , �* ., ,, don't know what's going on in the business. ., , �* .,~ , , business. it doesn't make sense. when it comes _ business. it doesn't make sense. when it comes to _ business. it doesn't make sense. when it comes to those - business. it doesn't make sense. when it comes to those missed l when it comes to those missed opportunities, could you remind us what happened to you when you were a sub—postmistress? i had what happened to you when you were a sub-postmistress?_ sub-postmistress? i had some stamps a- ear on sub-postmistress? i had some stamps appear on my — sub-postmistress? i had some stamps appear on my computer _ sub-postmistress? i had some stamps appear on my computer system - sub-postmistress? i had some stamps appear on my computer system that i appear on my computer system that when _ appear on my computer system that when i — appear on my computer system that when i try— appear on my computer system that when i try to reverse them out it doubted — when i try to reverse them out it doubled and doubled again and then doubted _ doubled and doubled again and then doubled again and i ended up with £36,000 — doubled again and i ended up with £36,000 loss, all of which gave me a conviction, _ £36,000 loss, all of which gave me a conviction, all the time lost, until my conviction was overturned. it's not acceptable to say you don't know — not acceptable to say you don't know. ~ ., ., , ., ., ., know. what does it mean to you to see somebody _ know. what does it mean to you to see somebody like _ know. what does it mean to you to see somebody like angela - know. what does it mean to you to see somebody like angela van - know. what does it mean to you to see somebody like angela van den| see somebody like angela van den bogerd and other executives answer questions and have to give evidence to this inquiry? thea;r questions and have to give evidence to this inquiry?— to this inquiry? they have to give evidence but _ to this inquiry? they have to give evidence but they _ to this inquiry? they have to give evidence but they are _ to this inquiry? they have to give evidence but they are very - to this inquiry? they have to give evidence but they are very good l evidence but they are very good at saying _ evidence but they are very good at saying they don't remember or they

don't _ saying they don't remember or they don't recait~ — saying they don't remember or they don't recall. as far as i'm concerned that's a no answer interview. _ concerned that's a no answer interview, they are just not doing what _ interview, they are just not doing what any— interview, they are just not doing what any normal person would do when they are _ what any normal person would do when they are asked to tell the truth, they're — they are asked to tell the truth, they're just not doing it.- they're 'ust not doing it. now, toda they're just not doing it. now, toda we they're just not doing it. now, today we are _ they're just not doing it. now, today we are also _ they're just not doing it. now, today we are also going - they're just not doing it. now, today we are also going to - they're just not doing it. now, | today we are also going to hear they're just not doing it. now, - today we are also going to hear the lawyers for the victims ask questions and what we have seen in the past is that those questions tend to be a lot more impassioned, less clinical lust because these people personally represent the victims who have had their lives destroyed by this scandal. thank you very much indeed. i13—year—old girl well—being court.

the scene on wednesday. one of the three injured members of ysgol dyffryn aman being taken to hospital after being stabbed. yesterday it was announced that teacher fiona elias — pictured here — and another teacher who the bbc understands to be liz hopkin, and the pupil affected have all been released from hospital. the shocking incident prompted a huge multi—agency response. cid and forensic teams recovered a knife. and last night, an update from the police. a 13—year—old girl was arrested at the scene. i can confirm she has now been charged with three counts of attempted murder. dyfed—powys police also said that concerns are raised over some social—media posts that referenced the incident that took place here. they went to the home of the person they believe responsible for that content, and a 15—year—old male was arrested and remains in custody. they're now investigating whether there is a link between the two alleged offences. ammanford is still in shock,

and as staff of dyffryn aman return to school today, they'll prepared to assist those people affected as best they can, for when they return on monday. tomos morgan, bbc news, ammanford. humza yousaf is under pressure as he bailed out of the agreement he had with the green party, the power—sharing agreement. this talk to our scottish correspondent. humza yousaf under pressure or no, let's hear from yousaf under pressure or no, let's hearfrom david henderson. the bute house agreement last a thousand days but it brokering ministers into government for the first time anywhere in uk and with them came a raft of green policies. so what do voters think now they are gone? i think it's sad because i think the greens were a good influence on the snp, but i guess we had a majority

government before so it happen again. i government before so it happen aaain. ., .,, government before so it happen aaain. ., ., again. i vote green most of the time but, es, again. i vote green most of the time but, yes. it — again. i vote green most of the time but. yes. it has _ again. i vote green most of the time but, yes, it has been _ again. i vote green most of the time but, yes, it has been brilliant. - again. i vote green most of the time but, yes, it has been brilliant. for. but, yes, it has been brilliant. for monsters but, yes, it has been brilliant. ian" monsters power—sharing deal was under pressure with key plans like the deposit returned scheme stalled and then ditched. the final straw, row over the pores on the prescription of puberty blockers for under 18. and scrapping of climate targets. now the deal has collapsed, there is pressure on humza yousaf to change direction. but the balance of power at holyrood means it's not that simple. with the greens backing the no—confidence vote, the alba party's mp is said is crucial. luckily for humza yousaf his perdio decision— luckily for humza yousaf his perdio decision making power of the parliament into the hands of one of the brightest and best and most responsible msps in the parliament which _ responsible msps in the parliament which is _ responsible msps in the parliament which is ash regan of the alba party and she _ which is ash regan of the alba party and she is— which is ash regan of the alba party and she is one of the few adults in the room — and she is one of the few adults in the room and so he has the opportunity to try and secure her

vote but— opportunity to try and secure her vote but he will have to work at it. what _ vote but he will have to work at it. what now — vote but he will have to work at it. what now for the greens? they are out of office but not what they think out of the power. wherever we are in the parliament _ think out of the power. wherever we are in the parliament will _ think out of the power. wherever we are in the parliament will fight - think out of the power. wherever we are in the parliament will fight for i are in the parliament will fight for principles— are in the parliament will fight for principles and wherever we are we can win _ principles and wherever we are we can win. one of our flagship policies _ can win. one of our flagship policies such as free bus travel for under— policies such as free bus travel for under 20s— policies such as free bus travel for under 20s was a victory we won from the scottish— under 20s was a victory we won from the scottish government before we entered _ the scottish government before we entered government for the first time _ entered government for the first time so — entered government for the first time so we can win in government, we canwin— time so we can win in government, we canwin out— time so we can win in government, we canwin out of— time so we can win in government, we can win out of government. the time so we can win in government, we can win out of government.— can win out of government. the scene is set four days _ can win out of government. the scene is set four days of _ can win out of government. the scene is set four days of trading _ can win out of government. the scene is set four days of trading and then i is set four days of trading and then a knife edge vote to decide what follows this power—sharing deal. bbc news, holyrood. british universities have being warned they are being targeted by foreign states to undermine uk national security. seniorfigures from undermine uk national security. senior figures from institutions from oxford cambridge and imperial couegein from oxford cambridge and imperial college in london have been briefed by m15 on the threat to some of their sensitive research. let's return to the post office inquiry and bring in our reporter

who is measuring the story. day 2a angela van den bogerd and she came under a lot of pressure from the kc yesterday and he was getting exasperated with her. how do you expect it go today? more of the same? ~ .,, expect it go today? more of the same? ~ ~' , expect it go today? more of the same? «r, ,, .._ same? most likely, especially because we — same? most likely, especially because we don't _ same? most likely, especially because we don't only - same? most likely, especially because we don't only have i same? most likely, especially. because we don't only have the inquiry counsel asking questions today, we have questions from the lawyers of the victims themselves who have been given permission to ask questions today. they tend to be ask questions today. they tend to be a little more aggressive in their line of questioning, a little bit more impassioned and they tend to bring up the personal cases of these victims and exactly how their lives were devastated by this because remember, many of them not only face bankruptcy and ended up having a criminal record which then followed them for years, but some also experienced severe mental health issues, several suicides have been

linked to this scandal and so, given angela van den bogerd oversaw some of these complaints, there will likely be a lot of questions about how those situations were handled. we are also likely to understand more about what she knew about remote access, the fact that fujitsu employees were able to access branch accounts without sub—postmaster is knowing and that is information that is really the heart of the scandal because these victims were not given that information, the defence teams were not given an information during investigations, nor wrongful prosecutions and instead they were regularly told they were the only ones having any problems with the horizon it system. tail: ones having any problems with the horizon it system.— ones having any problems with the horizon it system. talk us through for --eole horizon it system. talk us through for people who _ horizon it system. talk us through for people who haven't _ horizon it system. talk us through for people who haven't been - for people who haven't been monitoring all of this throughout, tell us how many powers the inquiry has, if any, tell us how many powers the inquiry has, ifany, to tell us how many powers the inquiry has, if any, to right these wrongs in the long run?— in the long run? writing these wronus

in the long run? writing these wrongs is _ in the long run? writing these wrongs is a — in the long run? writing these wrongs is a bit of a _ in the long run? writing these wrongs is a bit of a difficult i wrongs is a bit of a difficult sentence, even when it comes to the idea of compensations and the word even compensation doesn't cut it as they will never get those years back and they will never recoup the impact this has had on their health, nor return some of the loved ones they have lost from this. some of they have lost from this. some of the children were even bullied because the community is turned on them at times. in terms of the inquiry itself, it is trying to understand how what has been called the worst miscarriage ofjustice in uk history could have possibly happened and it has the power to compel witnesses to give evidence, but it doesn't go towards the kind of accountability that victims say they need and that they want. the post office minister, the current one, has said he does believe that people should go to jail over this. he said that once evidence has been established, at that point he feels people at the post office who could

be responsible or wider than the post office should be prosecuted over this. there is an met police investigation in the background, they have confirmed that they are looking into fraud and there are also specific individuals being looked at for things like potential perjury, but, that investigation is going to take a lot of time and of course, many of the victims here have been waiting decades for this. and you mention the victims and you have been talking to them each day after the testimony they've been hearing but what do they say specifically about the tenor of the answers which is along the lines of i can't remember this or if i do remember i can't remember detail, that sort of reply, how does that leave them feeling?— leave them feeling? frustrated, exasperated- — leave them feeling? frustrated, exasperated. you _ leave them feeling? frustrated, exasperated. you hear - leave them feeling? frustrated, exasperated. you hear the - leave them feeling? frustrated, | exasperated. you hear the same leave them feeling? frustrated, - exasperated. you hear the same thing from victims and to be honest, this inquiry has been going on for quite some time. they weren't really expecting more than that. these answers are really what they're looking for and these are —— are not

really... these are people who've been through remediation schemes and angela van den bogerd was actually accused in the high court of misleading the court when she was a witness there and so they are not expecting much but it's very difficult for them to then listen to this over and over again and in fact, windy whom i spoke to yesterday, in the morning she had to step out twice because she couldn't handle the stress... windy... because the impact this has had is great and she became bankrupt and she lost a home and she also has fibromyalgia, which is exacerbated by stress and so she had to take a moment to cool down and she said she doesn't do much of a filter and didn't want to disrupt proceedings and so a lot of the time you hear the same answer, it's just not good enough. the same answer, it's 'ust not good enou:h. , , ., , enough. just to remind viewers, there were _ enough. just to remind viewers, there were 900 _ enough. just to remind viewers, there were 900 convictions - enough. just to remind viewers, there were 900 convictions of l there were 900 convictions of postmasters and post mistresses, give us an idea of how many of those cases actually went to fruition and

how many people are in a position where they can now challenge those false convictions?— false convictions? well, the figures breakdown between _ false convictions? well, the figures breakdown between which - false convictions? well, the figures breakdown between which ones - false convictions? well, the figures i breakdown between which ones were brought forward from the crown prosecution service but also the post office brought forward 700 prosecutions and of course hundreds of lives were devastated by this but when you talk to the victims they say the numbers are much greater than that because they also include families involved here and angela or angela van den bogerd did apologise to victims and their families because as i said, many faced a lot of hatred and abuse from people who thought that they were thieves. there is the case of someone who was wrongly convicted in 2010 and was sentenced to prison while eight weeks pregnant. a local paper hat on the front page branded a thief. her husband told the bbc that he was bullied as a result, surrey, beaten

up bullied as a result, surrey, beaten up as a result of this, rather, and that their child was bullied on a bus as he was returning from school. there are instances where this has affected more than just the actual former sub—postmasters themselves. just to go back to the witness today, angela van den bogerd, she was part of a 2019 high court case during which thejudge was part of a 2019 high court case during which the judge said she sought to obfuscate and mislead him during her evidence. how much does what happened in a previous court case play into that inquiry as we know today? she case play into that inquiry as we know today?— case play into that inquiry as we knowtoda ? ,, ., ., case play into that inquiry as we know toda ? ,, ., ., ., know today? she was asked about that esterda . know today? she was asked about that yesterday- that — know today? she was asked about that yesterday. that is _ know today? she was asked about that yesterday. that is part _ know today? she was asked about that yesterday. that is part of _ know today? she was asked about that yesterday. that is part of the _ know today? she was asked about that yesterday. that is part of the line - yesterday. that is part of the line of questioning here and it's an important one because people like angela van den bogerd submitted briefing notes to mps, they testified in court. and of course, they were part of the communications machine at the post office that answered requests from news

organisations like the bbc. in fact, the bbc panorama was probably yesterday in the way those answers were constructed and sent out during that process. so, i love that doesn't make the basis of question so what this inquiry is also trying to determine is whether senior executives at the post office made any false statements to mps, to the media and to victims themselves. abmd media and to victims themselves. and one of the things she was asked about... i think we will she go to acquiring a second. but briefly, she did so yesterday she didn't cover up knowledge. sorry, we're to listen in. ., ~ , in. good morning. we finished yesterday _ in. good morning. we finished yesterday with _ in. good morning. we finished yesterday with some - in. good morning. we finished| yesterday with some questions in. good morning. we finished - yesterday with some questions about the post— yesterday with some questions about the post office's management of second _ the post office's management of second sight, do you recall? can i ask you _ second sight, do you recall? can i ask you to— second sight, do you recall? can i ask you to start this morning with some _ ask you to start this morning with some questions about other

significant events that were going on whiist — significant events that were going on whilst the post office was managing second sight. it's the case of the _ managing second sight. it's the case of the late _ managing second sight. it's the case of the late martin griffiths that i will ask— of the late martin griffiths that i will ask you about. you tell us in your— will ask you about. you tell us in your witness statement and i will not ask— your witness statement and i will not ask for— your witness statement and i will not ask for it to be turned up its paragraph — not ask for it to be turned up its paragraph 1492158 about your involvement —— 149 to 158. can background information please? firstly, — background information please? firstly, mr griffiths was the sub—postmaster at the hope farm road post office _ sub—postmaster at the hope farm road post office in cheshire. that sub-postmaster at the hope farm road post office in cheshire.— post office in cheshire. that is ri . ht. post office in cheshire. that is riuht. b post office in cheshire. that is right- by the — post office in cheshire. that is right. by the time _ post office in cheshire. that is right. by the time of _ post office in cheshire. that is right. by the time of his - post office in cheshire. that is| right. by the time of his death, he had been the _ right. by the time of his death, he had been the sub-postmaster- right. by the time of his death, he i had been the sub-postmaster there had been the sub—postmaster there for 18— had been the sub—postmaster there for 18 years, is that right? i had been the sub-postmaster there for 18 years, is that right?— for 18 years, is that right? i don't remember _ for 18 years, is that right? i don't remember exactly, _ for 18 years, is that right? i don't remember exactly, but _ for 18 years, is that right? i don't remember exactly, but it - for 18 years, is that right? i don't remember exactly, but it sounds| remember exactly, but it sounds about right. by,

remember exactly, but it sounds about right-— remember exactly, but it sounds about right. a series of shortfalls had arisen _ about right. a series of shortfalls had arisen at _ about right. a series of shortfalls had arisen at the _ about right. a series of shortfalls had arisen at the branch, - about right. a series of shortfalls had arisen at the branch, or - about right. a series of shortfalls had arisen at the branch, or was| had arisen at the branch, or was said _ had arisen at the branch, or was said to _ had arisen at the branch, or was said to have _ had arisen at the branch, or was said to have arisen the branch and mr griffiths — said to have arisen the branch and mr griffiths had been accused of being _ mr griffiths had been accused of being responsible for them. correct. and notice of— being responsible for them. correct. and notice of termination _ being responsible for them. correct. and notice of termination of- being responsible for them. correct. and notice of termination of his - and notice of termination of his contract — and notice of termination of his contract had been served on the 3rd ofjuty. _ contract had been served on the 3rd ofjuly, 2013.— contract had been served on the 3rd ofjuly, 2013-- mr _ contract had been served on the 3rd of july, 2013.- mr griffiths | ofjuly, 2013. correct. mr griffiths and his family _ ofjuly, 2013. correct. mr griffiths and his family suggested - ofjuly, 2013. correct. mr griffiths and his family suggested that - ofjuly, 2013. correct. mr griffiths and his family suggested that it i ofjuly, 2013. correct. mr griffiths i and his family suggested that it was the horizon system that was responsible for the losses. yes. on the 17th of — responsible for the losses. yes. on the 17th ofjuly _ responsible for the losses. jazz on the 17th ofjuly 2013, mr responsible for the losses. i9; on the 17th ofjuly 2013, mr griffiths asked _ the 17th ofjuly 2013, mr griffiths asked for— the 17th ofjuly 2013, mr griffiths asked for his case to be put before the post _ asked for his case to be put before the post office board. i appreciate you wouldn't have received this letter _ you wouldn't have received this letter of — you wouldn't have received this letter of the time but ijust want to show— letter of the time but ijust want to show it — letter of the time but ijust want to show it as background to what did happen _ to show it as background to what did ha en. . to show it as background to what did happen. yes. paul1114 to show it as background to what did happen. yes. paul 1114 768.

thank you. we can see this is a letter— thank you. we can see this is a letter from _ thank you. we can see this is a letter from mr griffiths. if we scroll — letter from mr griffiths. if we scroll down we can see it. martin k griffiths _ scroll down we can see it. martin k griffiths and we can see at the top of the _ griffiths and we can see at the top of the letter it is addressed to glen— of the letter it is addressed to glen chester, the agent contract manager~ — glen chester, the agent contract manager. in your previous roles, had you coming _ manager. in your previous roles, had you coming to cuddle mr chester? yesi _ you coming to cuddle mr chester? yes. i_ you coming to cuddle mr chester? yes. i had — you coming to cuddle mr chester? yes, i had. 50 you coming to cuddle mr chester? yes, i had-— yes, i had. so he was a working colleague _ yes, i had. so he was a working colleague of— yes, i had. so he was a working colleague of yours? _ yes, i had. so he was a working colleague of yours? yes, - yes, i had. so he was a working colleague of yours? yes, on - yes, i had. so he was a working | colleague of yours? yes, on and yes, i had. so he was a working - colleague of yours? yes, on and off. it's the colleague of yours? yes, on and off. it's the 17th — colleague of yours? yes, on and off. it's the 17th of— colleague of yours? yes, on and off. it's the 17th of july _ colleague of yours? yes, on and off. it's the 17th of july 2013 _ colleague of yours? yes, on and off. it's the 17th of july 2013 and - colleague of yours? yes, on and off. it's the 17th of july 2013 and mr- it's the 17th ofjuly 2013 and mr griffiths— it's the 17th ofjuly 2013 and mr griffiths write to mr chester, "as you are _ griffiths write to mr chester, "as you are aware i have been a sub—postmaster for 18 years and prior— sub—postmaster for 18 years and prior to — sub—postmaster for 18 years and prior to the rising computer system i prior to the rising computer system i enjoyed _ prior to the rising computer system i enjoyed a — prior to the rising computer system i enjoyed a satisfactory post office

business — i enjoyed a satisfactory post office business. for some considerable yearsi _ business. for some considerable years. i— business. for some considerable years, i have been accused of wrongful— years, i have been accused of wrongful accounting. over the last 15 months — wrongful accounting. over the last 15 months alone, february 2012 to may 2013, — 15 months alone, february 2012 to may 2013, more than £39,000 is deemed — may 2013, more than £39,000 is deemed to be my shortfall, an average — deemed to be my shortfall, an average of £600 per week. this surely— average of £600 per week. this surely cannot be correct. but notifications from the post office say this — notifications from the post office say this is— notifications from the post office say this is correct. this worry has affectedm — say this is correct. this worry has affected... and then there a reduction... and in plans for retirement— reduction... and in plans for retirement have had to be postponed. i retirement have had to be postponed. i have _ retirement have had to be postponed. i have not— retirement have had to be postponed. i have not had a break in my business _ i have not had a break in my business hours for more than four years— business hours for more than four years to _ business hours for more than four years to keep a tight rain on the office _ years to keep a tight rain on the office the — years to keep a tight rain on the office. the financial strain on myself — office. the financial strain on myself and my family is devastating and continues on a daily basis. on the advice — and continues on a daily basis. on the advice of mr alan bates i have been _ the advice of mr alan bates i have been advised to contact my local mp regarding _ been advised to contact my local mp regarding the recent media coverage on bbc_ regarding the recent media coverage on bbc news and in the telegraph regarding the investigation into the error is _ regarding the investigation into the error is discovered by post offices horizon _ error is discovered by post offices horizon computer system. i believe the post— horizon computer system. i believe the post office has a board meeting

next week— the post office has a board meeting next week after all the media coverage _ next week after all the media coverage and would like my particular case to be considered along _ particular case to be considered along with the many others in a similar— along with the many others in a similar situation. " i don't think you would _ similar situation. " i don't think you would have got this at the time, correct? _ you would have got this at the time, correct? :. . you would have got this at the time, correct? . , .:, . :, , you would have got this at the time, correct? . , . :, , correct? that is correct i only saw this this morning. _ correct? that is correct i only saw this this morning. so _ correct? that is correct i only saw this this morning. so this - correct? that is correct i only saw this this morning. so this letter. this this morning. so this letter from the 17th _ this this morning. so this letter from the 17th of— this this morning. so this letter from the 17th ofjuly, _ this this morning. so this letter from the 17th ofjuly, fitting - this this morning. so this letter| from the 17th ofjuly, fitting this with a _ from the 17th ofjuly, fitting this with a chronology, would have been 'ust with a chronology, would have been just before — with a chronology, would have been just before the board meeting but i think you _ just before the board meeting but i think you do know about, the post office _ think you do know about, the post office limited board meeting of which _ office limited board meeting of which the issue of the second sight report— which the issue of the second sight report and — which the issue of the second sight report and what the post office was to do _ report and what the post office was to do about it was to be discussed. ithink— to do about it was to be discussed. i think you — to do about it was to be discussed. i think you did know about that. sorry. _ i think you did know about that. sorry. i— i think you did know about that. sorry, i can't remember, probably, yes. it sorry, i can't remember, probably, es. :. . sorry, i can't remember, probably, es, :, , :, sorry, i can't remember, probably, es. . , :, ,, yes. it was the one were susan crichton was _ yes. it was the one were susan crichton was made _ yes. it was the one were susan crichton was made to - yes. it was the one were susan l crichton was made to sit outside yes. it was the one were susan - crichton was made to sit outside on a chair~ _ crichton was made to sit outside on a chair~ |_ crichton was made to sit outside on a chair. :. :. :. crichton was made to sit outside on a chair. . ., ., :, ., , crichton was made to sit outside on a chair. . ., ., :, :, , ., a chair. i am aware of it now but at the time i — a chair. i am aware of it now but at the time i wasn't _ a chair. i am aware of it now but at the time i wasn't aware _ a chair. i am aware of it now but at the time i wasn't aware that - a chair. i am aware of it now but at the time i wasn't aware that that i the time i wasn't aware that that was happening. 50 the time i wasn't aware that that was happening-—

the time i wasn't aware that that was happening. so you didn't know she was kept _ was happening. so you didn't know she was kept out _ was happening. so you didn't know she was kept out of— was happening. so you didn't know she was kept out of the _ was happening. so you didn't know she was kept out of the meeting i was happening. so you didn't know i she was kept out of the meeting that she was kept out of the meeting that she was— she was kept out of the meeting that she was or— she was kept out of the meeting that she was or that it was proposed that she was or that it was proposed that she present — she was or that it was proposed that she present a paper concerning what the post— she present a paper concerning what the post office should do in response to second sight, and a set of her— response to second sight, and a set of her presenting her paper, mrs ennals _ of her presenting her paper, mrs ennals presented it as she was satisfied — ennals presented it as she was satisfied the chair? i ennals presented it as she was satisfied the chair?— ennals presented it as she was satisfied the chair? i became aware ofthat satisfied the chair? i became aware of that listening _ satisfied the chair? i became aware of that listening to _ satisfied the chair? i became aware of that listening to susan's - satisfied the chair? i became aware of that listening to susan's evans i of that listening to susan's evans this week that wasn't something to cause a stir at the time? susan leaving, yes, but there was very little information around background to that or the reasons for that or speculation around second sight but there was no messaging and there was no confirmation to us as to the reasons why. i’iiii no confirmation to us as to the reasons why-— no confirmation to us as to the reasons wh . �* , :, :, ., reasons why. i'll 'ust move forward to the 31st of— reasons why. i'lljust move forward to the 31st ofjuly, _ reasons why. i'lljust move forward to the 31st ofjuly, mr _ reasons why. i'lljust move forward to the 31st ofjuly, mr griffiths's i to the 31st ofjuly, mr griffiths's mother— to the 31st ofjuly, mr griffiths's mother wrote to the post office.

it's mother wrote to the post office. it's a _ mother wrote to the post office. it's a 7157~ — mother wrote to the post office. it's a 7157. this is a letter you have — it's a 7157. this is a letter you have mentioned this morning. yes. this is alljust _ have mentioned this morning. i9; this is alljust background context for the _ this is alljust background context for the inquiry. this is alljust background context forthe inquiry. —— u were shown this— forthe inquiry. —— u were shown this morning _ forthe inquiry. —— u were shown this morning or at the foot of the page _ this morning or at the foot of the page we — this morning or at the foot of the page we can see it from during griffiths. — page we can see it from during griffiths, mrs griffiths, who was an 80s at _ griffiths, mrs griffiths, who was an 80s at the — griffiths, mrs griffiths, who was an 80s at the time and if we look up its again— 80s at the time and if we look up its again to — 80s at the time and if we look up its again to mr chester. "i write to you as _ its again to mr chester. "i write to you as a _ its again to mr chester. "i write to you as a parent of martin griffiths. despite _ you as a parent of martin griffiths. despite knowing that you say i am not part _ despite knowing that you say i am not part of— despite knowing that you say i am not part of the sub—post office, my son has— not part of the sub—post office, my son has been under severe pressure and i_ son has been under severe pressure and i personally had to take on more work in _ and i personally had to take on more work in the _ and i personally had to take on more work in the retail side of the business. _ work in the retail side of the business, including providing financial— business, including providing financial support of the shortages. ithink— financial support of the shortages. i think you — financial support of the shortages. i think you later learn... " mystery gove _ i think you later learn... " mystery gove upon — i think you later learn... " mystery gove upon my— i think you later learn... " mystery gove upon my parents have money into

the business. _ gove upon my parents have money into the business, tens of thousands of pounds _ the business, tens of thousands of pounds to— the business, tens of thousands of pounds to balance the books? yes, i learned that — pounds to balance the books? yes, i learned that later. _ pounds to balance the books? yes, i learned that later. they _ pounds to balance the books? yes, i learned that later. they have - pounds to balance the books? yes, i learned that later. they have been i learned that later. they have been usin: their learned that later. they have been using their savings, _ learned that later. they have been using their savings, i _ learned that later. they have been using their savings, i think- learned that later. they have been using their savings, i think you i using their savings, i think you learned — using their savings, i think you learned later, their life savings to balance _ learned later, their life savings to balance the books.— learned later, their life savings to balance the books. yes, that's what i learned, balance the books. yes, that's what i learned. yes- _ balance the books. yes, that's what i learned, yes. the _ balance the books. yes, that's what i learned, yes. the so-called i i learned, yes. the so-called shortages — i learned, yes. the so-called shortages over _ i learned, yes. the so-called shortages over many, - i learned, yes. the so-called shortages over many, manyl i learned, yes. the so-called i shortages over many, many months have been— shortages over many, many months have been repaid, mainly by myself and husband. although you continue to say— and husband. although you continue to say there is no fault of the rising — to say there is no fault of the rising computer system, we eagerly await _ rising computer system, we eagerly await the _ rising computer system, we eagerly await the result of the ongoing investigation being undertaken by second _ investigation being undertaken by second sight regarding software errors — second sight regarding software errors. your letter of the 3rd of july errors. your letter of the 3rd of july stating termination of martin's contract _ july stating termination of martin's contract i — july stating termination of martin's contract i think is very harsh. kevin — contract i think is very harsh. kevin bridger has compounded the severe _ kevin bridger has compounded the severe problems adding insult to iniury_ severe problems adding insult to injury and — severe problems adding insult to injury and i mean injury by requesting a fine of £7,600, which represents— requesting a fine of £7,600, which represents 20% of the robbery with violence _ represents 20% of the robbery with violence which occurred in may. it

was due _ violence which occurred in may. it was due to — violence which occurred in may. it was due to the identification of the culpable _ was due to the identification of the culpable member of staff that the police _ culpable member of staff that the police were able to make a quick arrest _ police were able to make a quick arrest and — police were able to make a quick arrest and subsequently the robbery received _ arrest and subsequently the robbery received and eight—yearjail received and eight—year jail sentence received and eight—yearjail sentence full stop this request for 57.600 _ sentence full stop this request for 57.600 to — sentence full stop this request for £7,600 tojust sentence full stop this request for £7,600 to just insufficient securing the post— £7,600 to just insufficient securing the post office and we will seek legal— the post office and we will seek legal advice to refute this." i will come _ legal advice to refute this." i will come back— legal advice to refute this." i will come back to what is referring in a moment — come back to what is referring in a moment "if— come back to what is referring in a moment. "if my son is terminator what _ moment. "if my son is terminator what is _ moment. "if my son is terminator what is the — moment. "if my son is terminator what is the position of the incoming sub—postmaster regarding the 18th and £2000 a year overhead? it is a legal— and £2000 a year overhead? it is a legal arrangement which needs to be made _ legal arrangement which needs to be made with— legal arrangement which needs to be made with regard to the outstanding figures _ made with regard to the outstanding figures. only £3600 remains as £3000 was paid _ figures. only £3600 remains as £3000 was paid at— figures. only £3600 remains as £3000 was paid at the end ofjune. i wait to hear— was paid at the end ofjune. i wait to hearyour— was paid at the end ofjune. i wait to hear your comments." the to hear your comments. " the reference _ to hear your comments." the reference to the robbery there if we can look— reference to the robbery there if we can look at— reference to the robbery there if we can look at the police. i think you now know— can look at the police. i think you now know and you found out at the

time _ now know and you found out at the time of _ now know and you found out at the time of mr— now know and you found out at the time of mr griffith's death that there — time of mr griffith's death that there have been robbery at the post office. _ there have been robbery at the post office. is— there have been robbery at the post office, is that right?— office, is that right? that's correct- — office, is that right? that's correct. and _ office, is that right? that's correct. and two _ office, is that right? that's correct. and two armed i office, is that right? that's i correct. and two armed robbers office, is that right? that's - correct. and two armed robbers took £50,000 from _ correct. and two armed robbers took £50,000 from the _ correct. and two armed robbers took £50,000 from the post _ correct. and two armed robbers took £50,000 from the post office. if- correct. and two armed robbers took £50,000 from the post office. if we | £50,000 from the post office. if we look at _ £50,000 from the post office. if we look at the — £50,000 from the post office. if we look at the circumstances of that, 0034250 — look at the circumstances of that, 0034250. dot studio: - 0034250. dot studio: and | 0034250. dot | studio: and we 0034250. dot - studio: and we think 0034250. dot _ studio: and we think about 0034250. dot studio: and we think about what bbc two viewers and will continue watching inquiry on the news channel. —— will continue watching the news channel and say goodbye to bbc two viewers. this the news channel and say goodbye to bbc two viewers.— bbc two viewers. this is a security re ort bbc two viewers. this is a security report and — bbc two viewers. this is a security report and we _ bbc two viewers. this is a security report and we can _ bbc two viewers. this is a security report and we can see _ bbc two viewers. this is a security report and we can see is _ bbc two viewers. this is a security report and we can see is dated i bbc two viewers. this is a security report and we can see is dated on | report and we can see is dated on the 10th _ report and we can see is dated on the 10th of— report and we can see is dated on the 10th of may and it's about the robbery— the 10th of may and it's about the robbery in— the 10th of may and it's about the robbery in the 2nd of may. although it's quite _ robbery in the 2nd of may. although it's quite a _ robbery in the 2nd of may. although it's quite a long document, ijust

want _ it's quite a long document, ijust want to— it's quite a long document, ijust want to read a summary of what was found _ want to read a summary of what was found in— want to read a summary of what was found in the — want to read a summary of what was found in the investigation and if we look at _ found in the investigation and if we look at the — found in the investigation and if we look at the third page, sorry its the fourth _ look at the third page, sorry its the fourth page. thank you. at approximately 525 in the 2nd of may martin— approximately 525 in the 2nd of may martin griffiths and his partner in two partnerjulie griffiths, no relation, _ two partnerjulie griffiths, no relation, will bring the stock away on both— relation, will bring the stock away on both sides were open and mr griffiths— on both sides were open and mr griffiths will still be secured or, which _ griffiths will still be secured or, which also _ griffiths will still be secured or, which also housed the cash and the postman _ which also housed the cash and the postman arrived to collect the mail and mr— postman arrived to collect the mail and mr griffiths had around 2000 pounds _ and mr griffiths had around 2000 pounds outside the secured in the postman — pounds outside the secured in the postman had taken these out of the office _ postman had taken these out of the office to _ postman had taken these out of the office to his van. as the postman re-enter— office to his van. as the postman re—enter the branch, two masked men wearing _ re—enter the branch, two masked men wearing dark _ re—enter the branch, two masked men wearing dark clothing, wool with a stocking _ wearing dark clothing, wool with a stocking over his head burst in and pushed _ stocking over his head burst in and pushed past, pushed the postman

aside _ pushed past, pushed the postman aside mr— pushed past, pushed the postman aside. mr griffiths was salute the secured _ aside. mr griffiths was salute the secured with the door open so here the daily— secured with the door open so here the daily working gyro pouch to the postman _ the daily working gyro pouch to the postman and game design for the work and he _ postman and game design for the work and he went— postman and game design for the work and he went to the secured door. woman— and he went to the secured door. woman tried to pull the door open while _ woman tried to pull the door open while the — woman tried to pull the door open while the other man attacked the screen _ while the other man attacked the screen with a sledgehammer. if we look we _ screen with a sledgehammer. if we look we can— screen with a sledgehammer. if we look we can see that the photograph. mr griffiths _ look we can see that the photograph. mr griffiths attempted to get the door shut, which point he believes he was _ door shut, which point he believes he was hit — door shut, which point he believes he was hit on the left hand with some _ he was hit on the left hand with some sort— he was hit on the left hand with some sort of metal bar, possibly a crowbar~ _ some sort of metal bar, possibly a crowbar~ at — some sort of metal bar, possibly a crowbar. at this point mr griffith stop fighting another two minutes of the secure _ stop fighting another two minutes of the secure area. at this point the assistant— the secure area. at this point the assistantjulie griffiths the secure area. at this point the assistant julie griffiths crouched down _ assistant julie griffiths crouched down and hid behind the site. thank you, that can come down. i think— thank you, that can come down. i think the — thank you, that can come down. i think the post office determined that mr— think the post office determined that mr griffiths was culpable for the robbery. that mr griffiths was culpable for the robbery-—