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she's great well, from sharing the stage, stage fright to taking the stand, a nervous any motion? >> phil hope, pick spaces for longtime boss and friend donald trump in court. welcome to a special edition of laura coates live alongside abby phillip, right here in new york. and it was a dream madix de in the manhattan courtroom for trump, who now is seven days sitting and hearing testimony in his criminal trial. and you know, today i got to see it in with my own eyes and let me just tell you, when she was speaking, the president and missouri and myself were listening very intently and yes, she did cry on the stand. now i'll tell you what happened there and just the moment, but what the defense is is the answer to the final question she was asked here my transcript in 2017, while you were focused on your job at the white house, you didn't have anything to do with the business records of the trump organization. some 200, 200

plus miles away from new york city. did you her answer no so hicks, their testified that she did not have knowledge of the falsification of business records. that's the actual charge against trump. so that's really important. but as one of his closest aides, she bolstered a key part of the prosecution steroid the trump was involved in the deals to silence damaging stories before the 2016 election. today, hicks was asked about a 2018 conversation that she had with trump after that wall street journal story broke, that had the stormy daniels hush money payments in the story from the transcript, hicks says precedent. trump was saying he spoke to michael and that michael had paid this woman to protect him from a false allegation and that, you know, michael felt like it was his job to protect him and that's what he was doing. and that he did it out of the kindness of his heart. >> now, the question went on. and this part is very important for the prosecution because hicks suggests that it's unlikely play that's being

generous, that cohen did any of this on his own. he was the question is asked. and did the idea that mr. cohen would have made $130,000 payment stormy daniel's out of the kindness of his heart. was that consistent with your interactions with him up to that point? here was her answer. i would say that would be out of character for michael why would it be out of character for michael? she was asked i didn't know michael to been especially charitable person or selfless person i want to bring in cnn foot landless and tasha alford also attribute for cnn leah wright rigueur, washington correspondent for new york magazine, olivia and azi and former problem so cute are defense attorney in ron ansari also here legal and as prosecutor jennifer rodgers. i mean, it was a stunning moment, by the way. >> and you were there for it. so tell us about that moment first of all the one that everyone is talking about, the tears. >> i mean, i was there for and i was also here for it. and

leave it here and here why i was i was there to see what was happening and, you know, i can't overstate this, abby. i've been in so many trials, so many courtrooms. >> the fact that this was a drab routine state coloumb. the only thing different was donald trump was inside of it when she walked into this courtroom me when she was testifying on the stand, my mind and my eyes when directly to what trump was doing and what he was saying. and at the time that she started speaking, when four started crying, it was just the end of the prosecution's case. there are questions for her followed by an otherwise really just benign question about trying to ask her about her work with the trump organization at which point she sort of her body all of a sudden became all the more guarded and she began to tremble of her chin was trembling, her lips were trembling, and she turned her face away. was the first time anyone realized there was an issue. in fact, the defense counsel for put his hands up for a second, almost in a i don't know what happens. now i do. what did i really done?

>> anything at that point? and then she turned her face completely, weren't she's trying her face away. there's already a box of tissues there, a bailiff is looking to hurt to try to help her and he asked her, do you need to have a moment? and she says, crying at this point? yes and then they had or get off the stand. the jury at this point is completely honed in. they are locked in to figure out what she's doing, what's happening, and looking over at trump and there's a clear view of his profile and when she walks past them, she makes no eye contact but donald trump looks up at her, his eyebrows are raised as if in concern like genuine concern for she walks around to them and kind of shrinked her body as she passes and leaves. and it was this moment i thought it read as authentic, but also, i wondered how the jury was going to see that moment. yeah. the prosecutor shell in that moment, i mean that could go both ways. you've talked about this your form, prosecutor you would are handled maybe that

aftermath a little bit differently. maybe asking her what was going through her mind. but that definitely could backfire with someone like hope hicks where her sympathies are not totally clear. >> yeah, that's such a great point because you never want to ask a question, you know the answer to. at the same token, it was just kind of left out there when she came back, she said something like sorry about that and thank you for that. and then you guys, when she switches that, there was never a moment. events also said, why were you so emotional? what led that? now, jennifer, you've tried many cases and you can imagine on the one hand, it could have endeared him to the jury to suggest look, i obviously saw that you were crying and the other hand, she could have said that been very helpful to the defense are very harmful. >> yeah. i don't think you want to ask a question. maybe you say something like, are you all right? can we proceed? you want to show that you're human? but i don't think you want to get some speech about how sad it is for her, because how great trump is and so on and so forth. and i think offense wants that though the defense does, but i think it all actually works well for the prosecution because she was so

believable and authentic and she did give the prosecution some good points today. i think they're gonna be able to use some of the building blocks she gave them. so i think they're probably happy with that. were nodding. you agree? >> yeah. no, absolutely. i think hope hicks got off the stand and a lot of people thought she may be a mixed bag in terms of the testimony she gave, some helpful for the defense and trump, but largely when you take a look back and you look at her testimony and see what the prosecution needs to prove at the end of the day in this case, it's going to be helpful testimony for the prosecution. and the most important part, she came off as credible. michael cohen is going to come into that courtroom and be the witnesses. that's gonna get beaten up on credibility. she came across as credible cookies. i'm really issue still sympathetic with trump in some way. she's it's there on a subpoena, not testifying willfully for the prosecution, but by way of a subpoena, and i think that gives her testimony credibility to take us back, though, for paying people. i mean, i had never heard her actually speak

before today i mean, very few and there was that moment on the stage, of course, we know but who was she to trump when they were still in contact? she was the senior most communications official. >> shubi is not the press secretary, so she was never out there speaking for the administration, speaking for the campaign on camera. she's never appeared on camera other than when she is on her way to testify or you'll be a part of some sort of investigation or a trial like today. >> and she someone who was known to the press corps, recovered trump and known to trump world and known among people who treat mega as like, i don't like the grateful dead or something. >> they're familiar with all the different characters, dancing bears what's they to be insurrection actually, but they but they, she's not someone who is known to kind of passive viewers and consumers of news and shubi, very powerful. she's very close to him, very close to the family, the way into the trump world was through the trump organization through ivanka trump and she was someone who is very trusted and who proved how trustworthy she was over

years and years and if the campaign is very small in 2016, in the beginning. but he got the nomination, before that seemed inevitable, they were first a laughing stock and it was really it was not a first choice campaign for like top staffers in the right-wing political world. it was staffed by people with cd backgrounds, not a lot of traditional political experience and in the case of hope fix and several others, really no political experience. the real reason that the one of the main reasons is the prosecution needed her in this case needed her today was to take us back to the access hollywood moment for the campaign and end to take us there immerses in what would have been like in trump world at that time when that tape came down? and how that changed everything and how, if anything, had come after that, like a stormy daniels allegation, what that would have been like what she effective yeah.

>> i mean, this this question, how's it playing, right? she brought that up. is she showed that donald trump was constantly asking how am i looking right? how are these stories impacting people? and i know very little shocks us these days, but that access hollywood tape was pretty disgusting, right? think of all the women who came out during a women's march wearing those hands that's because of what he said. and so donald trump doesn't apologize for much, but this was the one instance in which he actually did issue an apology. of course, after deflecting saying, you know, this is just locker room talk, but eventually he had to give a very sincere apology because he knew just how badly this was. let's actually play that moment. just remind me, people who have amnesia after all his ears, but he actually did apologize. they actually played it in court today. let's listen to this anyone who knows me knows these words. >> don't reflect who i am. i said it. i was wrong and i apologize. >> what could have been more authentic than that, abby i apologize. >> i mean, i can probably count

on worsen on one times that he's ever used that phrase. >> but he did in that moment, which, which really tells you everything you need to know about how important it was. >> well, it tells you that he was terrified and he was it also tells you that the campaign really thought that this was it. it was over one of the things that came out in court that has come out. it has also come out. is that trump wasn't just terrified about the effect that it would have on his political campaign. he was worried about millennia. he said, have i hurt millennia? what would she do? what will, how will this, how will this affect her? but also what will hurt response be? how will the world see me? how will women see me? that's the case? what will her response? i have a very hard time believing having covered donald trump for almost a decade now that he was worried, have i hurt millennia is she embarrassed because he was worried about his relationship or buried about her as a human being. but the optics of having your wife very angry at you. she did take a backseat on the campaign and going forward it to take her very long time to come to

washington we know that karen mcdougal, in particular, really upset her. i remember i was profiling her end of never publishing the piece, but for months and in that time, new york magazine put stormy daniel's on the cover in a women in power issue and it was like this very beautiful portrait of stormy daniel's i had done the interview and the profile fell apart. the access fell apart and they learned it was because melania was so devastated to see stormy daniel's in this sort of valorized way on a magazine cover. >> we know it was less than elegant and was michael cohen is being introduced in almost every aspect of this trial. i mean he is like he might as well be the glass of water next to every witness and they drink from this kopan a go oh, time dimension michael cohen, because look at the words it has been described about him so far. and today was no exception. i mean, mr. fix it. he was somebody i think i'm hope hicks said today, they call them tough the fixer because he broke it first and then there this moment today

where she said, i used to say that he liked to call himself a fixer or mr. fix it and it was only because he first broke it. he's able the kind of fix it now, but this caused laughter in the courtroom. she was laughing at this point in time. others were laughing. and the defense was probably like, yes, tell me more. let me more about this. what is the impact of now somebody has you say, who read as authentic before a jury? again previewing the fact that she chu does not take cohen well, seriously, it's fine. it is fine with the prosecutors. and here's why prosecutors are used to having dirt bags be there cooperating witnesses, right? you have murderers, robbers, rapists, et cetera stand. and what you say to the jury is, listen, you may not like this guy, but i'm going to tell you why you should believe this guy, right? it's all the corroboration is what the other witnesses say. it's the documents and cetera. and one of the things that hope hicks done today, which was good for prosecutors, is she also put michael cohen in the middle of this. she said michael cohen's talking to trump about this stuff. he was talking to david pecker he she could take us

through the timeline from the campaign his view of how this happened and how the narrative change no, the first thing out was a fair never happened, pay off, never happened. then it was okay. well, the pay off never happened. then it was okay. well, the payoff happened, but michael cohen didn't and i didn't do it. i mean, she took us through all of that dishonest all of that was and how might cohen was the one who would have and then the last thing that's so helpful is can you imagine that michael cohen really would have painted themselves without trump knowing she says, nope can't imagine that. that's golden. mine was you expand that and know as event defense council has a prosecutors well, but would you spun that does suggest that he wouldn't have done it for any reason other than not maybe direction of trump. >> but self-gain. remember, we've heard testimony that he says he was shocked that he wasn't going to washington, dc after all that, he's done one you'd probably the ministration. >> could you see the defense council saying well, yeah, he did it for trump because he wanted to be benefited in the end right? i mean, i think that would be a good point that the defense can make when you're

really facing this testimony about michael cohen hidden, not being someone who's looking out for himself, but rather someone who is a yes man for trump that's the way you're going to spend that testimony in many ways, right? look at the end of the day. these are building blocks that the prosecution is putting before this jury they've embraced all the bad about michael cohen because they have to, there's no escaping that. and i think hope hicks testimony today is just one block in the puzzle that the prosecution is putting together on a very difficult indictment, a difficult indictment that many people are critical, but i think they're putting the ford the evidence and the defense we'll have to come forward with arguments like that. when facing a lawyer, michael cohen. >> michael cohen, people keep talking about how oh, this can be some difficult for the prosecution because he's a known liar. he was convicted of lying. this is going to be slam dunk for the defense. and i don't really agree with that. he has spent the last several years becoming the sort of resistance celebrity, explaining himself and getting

kind of cerebral about in philosophical about it. if you watch him in his many interviews, he's become friends with stormy daniels. they've been on each other's podcasts he's sort of like a lot of former trump aides just in public unpacking why he did it, why he felt that way about donald trump, why he was willing to live for him. and it's been very interesting to behold, but it does not read as false at all what he's also though, that's what we're prosecutor standpoint. they do not want every instance to be able to be competitive against what he might say on the stand and the defense is going to say and suggest he may be honest, but he also does not like being the only person punished compared to donald trump. so standby, it's a great point, everyone ahead of deeper look into the connection between trump and hope hicks from someone who works within the trump administration, olivia troy says this is both their worst nightmares and she's next the whole myth, has to be

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when you heard this quite honestly, i i tried to put myself in her shoes and the moment and i thought about hope and i had seen her interactions, the white house cited team my own former boss it's interact with her. this is a very inner circle, trusted colleague. >> and i think it's hard to know what she was feeling in the moment, but i have to say it's gotta be incredibly hard to sit there and testify in a moment where this is not where you ever wanted to be. i think that she thought that she had gotten away unscathed she was in the inner circle and she made it. and now here she finds herself testifying before and trying to abide by the fact that she got a subpoena and she's in the court and she's trying to be factual. but also trying to navigate the fact that these are her people. this this is a circle that embraced her. this is circle that she worked very closely with i don't know at the moment.

>> i thought is she of realizing the moment that she's no what she's saying. >> and she knows that part of it could be hurtful to him he doesn't want to be doing this. she never sought spotlight. she didn't she didn't seek to be anti-trump, right? laura, there's many messages spoken out she has not she's not publicly attack them. she has stayed behind behind the scenes and so also, i think two pink like, what am i doing? how did i get here what is happening right now? >> and i think honestly, when you look at her i think about so many other colleagues that were in the circle and who remained in the circle. and i think of what a prime example of how eventually we are in this circle. it eventually you get called up and it turns on you. >> well, i wonder if there's any attorney back in that respect, but there was a moment that she was asked whether she felt that she had the trust and respect of mr. trump, which is

how she referred to him almost exclusively until she called him president trump. and she said, yes, she felt that she did have his trust and respect. tell me what you witnessed between the two why was trump so trusting of her? >> i think she was unwavering. i think she became a competent i think he also took her under his wing. i think he was a mentor to her. right. i he pretty much brought her into his umbrella. i think he cultivated her career from what we've seen in many ways from what i saw, he really was deferential to her. he would look across a room sometimes there'll be other pressing her is in the room when she wasn't depressed, secretary, i was there in 2020. we're he would bypassed everyone and say, hope, what do you think? and she's very soft-spoken. she's very she had a very quiet demeanor about her but very confident. >> and these are meetings where there are cabinet officials and

people on his immediate staff that are serving in these roles. >> and he would always turn to her and say hope your opinion so it was this sort of dynamic where there was a very tight bond between them. and if you wanted to know how he was going to react, things or what how we were going to navigate them. like i'm going to be fully honest and transparent here, gives some insight that i've probably never shared when i needed to know how to navigate trump to help mike in some of the most challenging situations that we faced hope hicks newbie approach that is interesting to think about her as the main gatekeeper and went to almost be the trump whisperer even given the fact how soft-spoken she appeared to be in this context, it actually doesn't surprise me as well to know that he would have relied on who he believed was isn't a circle. >> remember there was that moment through testimony, i think that david pecker, we're saying that he was sitting in a meeting with mike pompeo, who

would eventually take on the role. he didn't administration with jay james comey, the head of the fbi and trump turn to them and says, this is david pecker. he runs national enquirer. he knows more than any of you. no one laughed because they were thinking what is going on here, but i can see this happening. also want to ask you about their huckabee sanders, because there was earlier testimony speaking of david pecker that said that hicks was on a call with them the press secretary, sarah huckabee sanders, discussing extending the hush money payment to karen mcdougal. pecker said that they thought it was a good idea when you hear that i was that an ethical for white house employees to talking about that? >> i mean, i think so. i mean, i why are these people involved in the situation? >> how are they navigating the media like this? >> i mean, it just goes to show the level of ties that they had in some of these circles and where their focus was and what they were willing to do. there were no boundaries, there were no boundaries in their demeanor barrett and what they were doing. and i think again, while

we're trying what we're talking about, something that happened on the campaign. i think this is just a very clear example of the inner workings of this mechanism and this machine. and what this effort really was it's important to remember that she said that they hadn't spoken since 2022 and there was this moment. i just want to play and i have no time, but she testified the january 6 committee, i want people to remember this and that she did not believe the election lies and listen to what she said just to keep us in mind about the nature of their relationship kinship after this, listen i was becoming increasingly concerned that we were damaging we were damaging his legacy. what did the president and say in response to what you've just described he said something along the lines of you know nobody will care about my

legacy if i lose so that won't matter. >> the only thing that matters is is winning undoubtedly olivia, that must have been in his mind as he heard somebody he trusted speaking today. >> now in a manhattan courtroom, really important to have your perspective tonight. thank you so much. >> after having up next, there was a win today for donald trump in court, and it does involve what the jury actually cannot hear about. trump's gag order violations plus little marco, no more. the new reporting on senator marco rubio is chances now in the trump beep stakes while they're shooting hecklers play into the crowd. >> i'll show you what's happening from him as a whole now. and they're giving orders to disk first and you feel like

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good i'm mj lee at the white house and this is cnn the former president did secure one victory today in court, the prosecution asking judge merchan, if trump were to testify, could they bring up trump's repeated violations of the gag order? that's from side objected, arguing that the judge would essentially be prejudicing di jury by allowing that, you know what judge merchan actually agree with that he said, i think for a jury to hear that this court, the same judge is presiding over this case is found mr. trump to be in contempt on his case. i think would be so prejudicial. it'd be very difficult, very difficult. for a jury to look past that. so i agree with mr. blanche and i am going to deny the people's application to go into that. the panel is back with us here. and just were broadly even natasha, we've been talking about in the past if he gets fine thousand dollars, he can afford it he they're not

asking for jail time, so you won't get step back and now this jury won't hear about it. i mean, that's a win-win all around in that context. >> yeah, it's kinda like nothing burger, but i think this fits into donald trump strategy to make himself the victim in every single situation, right? so even if this is not that significant, is this, it? idea that he's being persecuted and he's speaking to his base. he's speaking to his voters. this works for him and leah, that increases the chances, by the way, it takes away the ability to say this judges so against me all the time, we've seen at least more than one ruling now with the judge has not indicated some bias against him can just looking at the broader picture of how trump is approaching the legal or the justice system. how does this factor in? >> so i think there are a couple of things that are that we can look at for here, which is that on the one hand, the judge is showing i'm not i don't i'm actually objective and i'm fair and i'm saying that i think this is this is prejudice prejudicial. >> right.

>> but it also means that it removes his ability. it removes donald trump's ability, i think to accuse the judge of being bias of being prejudicial outside in this larger larger arena. public relations arena. so in essence, it doesn't do very much for maga world. he can paint him itself as a victim, but he can't paint himself that much as a victim. what i do think it does though, is it actually motivates i think people watching outside of this. so it allows, for example, the press to investigate and say, well, how is this being treated? how can we analyze the different components? but certainly for the left, for democrats, this is another example of the kind i think preferential treatment that trump is getting in is experiencing. and while it may be right under the law for the larger picture of how this campaign is being run, people can point and say, this is a man who has not been given, who hasn't been treated unfairly is actually been treated quite fairly. >> and this this is just another example of a president

who is under scrutiny for a criminal trial. and we should be investigating. >> i don't want to say that judge merchan has gone out of his way to be fair or even handed with trump, but he certainly has really tried to take the temperature down at various points even today, trump made his statements yesterday about how he's not being allowed to testify. and the judge just kinda calmly said, just so you know, just want to make sure you're aware. you have rights here. you can testify. trump has poking the bear in a situation where he really doesn't need to the judge is treating him frankly with kid gloves. >> yeah. i think it's really interesting. see the dynamic between donald trump and judge merchan, because i think donald trump is constantly trying to bait him to get him to make a ruling which he could go then out on truth, social and say, look, judge, merchan is completely biased. i think he's ultimately totally aware of that, judge marchand, and that's why he's so careful what he's saying in court,

including what you said abby this morning about really reacting to what trump said outside of court, saying, listen, the gag order is not gonna prevent you from testifying and then going further with that with the ruling later and saying, listen, that's not coming in, though. that's not going to be a bad act that you could question this witness on if he takes the stand. i think judge merchan is being very careful about his rulings what happens in that courtroom. first of all, there are no cameras as we know. so that i think helps donald trump create his own reality about this trial. almost doesn't matter his story is going to be his story no matter what judge marchand decides to do, no matter what he says, he will still be telling his supporters exactly what he wants to tell them, whether or not it has any basis in reality, i think judge marchand, it's probably going to learn something that a lot of people who've dealt with donald trump for a long time already know which is it doesn't matter how by the book you are it doesn't matter how far you are. it has no effect whatsoever on donald trump's behavior or on his narrative about his interactions with you. oh, by the way, is sitting in the courtroom this judge was not like a bombastic,

charismatic person. >> he was almost blending in not i'm not being pejorative at all, but he was not the focus which is what a judge should not be. >> yeah. but in some ways, there's no bigger power play than being like, you know what you can say, what you want. like, i don't really care and alvin bragg's in the same boat. he didn't even ask to be part of the gag order right there like he can say what he wants and i don't really care and the judge judges are often usually actually conservative, meaning cautious, small, see conservative in these rulings because they don't want to be overturned on it. peel. and so when you know, when you think about what am i going to do, what am i going to let them cross this guy on? you want to pull it back a little bit from what prosecutors, prosecutor to get a little greedy sometimes with these things. and the judge is like, listen, i'm going to protect this record. one of his huge goals here is protecting this record even from the prosecutors who might want a little too much. i think merchan it's doing a great job of that too. >> yeah, he's anticipating what could come, which this is a very litigious defendant. there are gonna be appeals and he's going to drag this out as much as possible standby everyone at trump's vip stakes

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bend down and kiss the ring? >> off tonight. there are some signs that florida senator marco rubio could be rising to the top of the pack, but a trump rubio ticket could face a surprising hurdle. a constitutional one the bulwark reports that trump knows all about it. he says, quote, marco has this residency problem joining me now is the author of that story and authority on florida politics. the bowl works national politics reporter marc market, pluto mark back in 2016, there was a lot of drama with rubio obviously, trump called him and he called trumping embarrassment or con artists the most vulgar person to ever aspire to the presidency why is trump looking at marco rubio all of a sudden again well, the children grew very close when trump became president and rubio began to shape latin american policy. and a friendship. and trust blossom between the two of them but the

reality is, is donald trump need to choose a running mate and marco rubio on paper outside of the residency issue and yeah, the residency issue is a big deal, makes a lot of sense. >> so rubio, a trump adviser, told you that rubio can almost smell the naval observatory. that is where the vice president lives. it's rubio really wanting this job. i mean, i have to believe that he doesn't he's not fully on board with donald trump after all, that has transpired with him that's a good question. >> i haven't had the opportunity to ask him that, but what i can say is that ruby did run for president and if he were elevated to trump's ticket, and if trump won, he'd be a heart of the a heartbeat away from the presidency, something he saw before and something he might seek again anyway and the president will be a one-term you 77 years old, and he has a pension for eating big macs a lot. so the question is how long has that 77 year-old going to serve a fully

now, obviously the same question surrounds joe biden fact that question is presented a little more about them started being morbid about it. but these are considerations people think about what, you know, overall. i think even if trump were 45, rubio and most other politicians when granted the opportunity to be the number two person got high gal, whatever you want to say in the nation's power for structure, for politics, they're going to take it and there's a lot of signs from people who know rubio say, yeah, look, you'll probably change residencies, residences if he, to do this to comply with the 12th of motor, the constitution trump wants to resign early. >> he might do that well, break that down for us a little bit because this idea the 12th amendment issue they're both florida residents, which is a bit of a constitutional right problem the card 12th amendment says that the president and the vice president, quote, shall not be an inhabitant of the same state. that is a very specific thing, but it's in the

constitution so what is he going to do? i mean, you, you think he would step down from the senate that would create another opening, another active senate race in battleground, florida or they seriously considering this from what i understand, yes. >> the answer to that is yes. another two things here. one, the constitution says that they can't inhabit the same state when the electors meet it to choose and to cast their ballots for the president and vice president. so this happened with dick cheney in 2000, with george bush. they both lived in texas cheney changed his residence. >> the extra wrinkle here is donald trump, from what i'm told, doesn't want ron desantis to get a senate pick and to a point for a long term time the replacement to replace marco rubio so if that's the case and these are eps and there's a lot of ifs and buts and trap doors here if rubio was chosen and if donald trump doesn't want on to say it, is still get the pick he'll want to heal, want rubio to announce

that he's resigning sooner? >> so that it triggers an election this november. and that would give florida at seats that are open. we haven't had a double senate double-header senate race in florida says 1936. >> i wasn't around them but it would be extremely an orthodox but this is on trial for talking about marc. this is a juicy story that's a lot of drama with trump always. and this is no different for thank you for bringing that to us. we're back here with the panel here and he ended and this here joining us senior data reporter only 11, 47. let's go. >> so can i cause you like what's what did stats say about senators? >> but coming vice president's mind, i believe in the white house right now, was formerly vice president, former chance's years, two years saying is chances are pretty good i'm not saying his chances are pretty good. i have no idea from day-to-day what

goes on in donald trump's head. all right. i don't think any of us do if we did, we'd all go to vegas and bet the numbers on the roulette wheel. but what i can tell you, if you look at the vice president's look, i know at this particular point, who's not on that list shortlist anymore is kristi noem apparently, trump has not once someone who shoots dogs and their spare time, uh, but what i can also tell you is when we look essentially at vps and understanding who's strong, who is weak. i like to look at their home state performance of voters who know them best, that they outperform basically match or underperformed donald trump and their last election cycle so we have a few folks that we can kind of go through. marco rubio, vastly outperform trump's baseline in 2022. all right, we look, tim scott did the same and his last senate race doug burgum basically match the trump baseline in this state of north dakota. interestingly enough, j.d. vance, who was just on our network the other night, would kaitlan collins actually? the underperformed the trump baseline in 2022, despite the fact that he ran in a more favorable republican year and

based upon that performance that he gave in that interview, i'm not exactly surprised that he in fact dig so so at this particular point, if trump is trying to basically pick a safe pick, i go with the first three on that list. at this particular time are you surprised that there are no women? i've been kristi noem, maybe she's off. >> no, but people had said that maybe he would try to inoculate himself from his suburban women problem, which is huge by picking a woman. >> and it seems like the idea of a woman or being on the pick has really fallen down he does like an element of surprise i remember in 2016, he got very annoyed when people started reporting about the ins and outs of the behind the scenes machinations while they were selecting a vice president. >> and it became it was not a crazy thing to say if something got reported, it, even if it were true, it might just kill that potential nominee. back then, i remember talking to newt gingrich, who's still thought that he might be the vice president in minutes after

mike pence was announced and he was just crushed and i think you just can't discount the fact that this is a reality show host still, and he likes the elements watching right now because my addition, you also wonder to me i mean, i don't know how often you guys have seen like crazy town knocked and said, i want in, but people is haven't you seen the number we how he treated his vice president and the bank. i mean, that's where we they did we know what that would problems that cause with vice president mike pence but are you surprised at all that there are people i mean, obviously it's yes there's a heartbeat away from the presidency. there is the stature of the position i understand all that but a lot comes with this. >> it does, but you see the joy on tim scott's face as he's like donald trump's number one cheerleader, at least has made herself his number one defender, even in the face of impeachment. i mean, i think that he wants somebody who is

loyal, who will not upstage him in those moments where you have to make an ethical decision like mike pence did, right? to say i will not decertify or prevent this vote from going forward. for this election from being official mike pence had his own line and donald trump doesn't really like that. so there's always somebody who's willing to be a flunky. and i think he's going to need that. but someone who also add something to his campaign there's also the question, i think the question of loyalty is incredibly important. loyalty, above all else, particularly given the fallout from the 2020 election and with mike pence. but there's also the point i think the natasha made about he can't have somebody that's going to upstage him i would think very carefully about somebody like marco rubio, who does have the potential to upstage donald trump and especially in his eagerness to be vice president and to be one heartbeat away from the from the presidency has made it quite obvious that this is something, this is a job he really wants to have i think we also have to think

about what is the, this is, this is going to sound a little bit crazy, but it's late at night, so i'm gonna go ahead and say it aesthetics of the pick that donald trump once tim scott doesn't necessarily have the aesthetics in terms of, is he married. we know he's engaged, but also in how he presents himself married. right. remember. but it's something that is a question and a concern in trump world that we have to take seriously as well. >> which by the way anyone of these people who might be chosen is going to have to debate kamala harris, vice president, assuming this debate. and that's a big assumption right now. but how did she stack up in terms of maybe the popularity or april view this? >> yeah. i mean, joe biden at this particular point going in reelection is one of one of the weakest positions for president at this particular time. >> and vice president harris is also in a very weak position. if you look at the polls, in fact, i went back and looked at vice presidents. vice president's popularity at this

point in the presidential term, the only person who's on the same level as her is dan quayle back in 1,992 whenever you're comparing a v the key to dan quayle, you know, you're in poor position. so i'm not exactly concerned if i'm one of these republican vps taking on vice president harris. but you know, i guess the good news for vice president harris says, most people don't really vote for the vp anyway, because remember, dan quayle managed to get elected in the first place. so if he could be elected to vp than anyone to be elected as what you say, though, is that in those debate moments, she is pretty fierce. she does have these moments that the audience remembers. i remember when she went toe to toe with mike pence. so i tried to imagine someone like, burgum sitting across from kamala harris being memorable it's kinda i feel like he's a little bland good point because it wasn't just the fly that everyone it wasn't just the fly that made that debate she she performed well on the debate stage as she she props for this stuff. >> i do think i mean the first

rule of vice presidential picks though is do no harm right? >> keep it calm. i mean, it's really not about any electoral anything. >> it's just don't screw anything up. but you also want, especially we know you mentioned the woman problem for trump, perhaps how about there's all this polling but suggests that black men our wavering in their support for president biden enter tim scott, i know we've been talking about this off. >> i've lined different ways, mean 70 hosts and was on the viewer or colleague from labor and cnn and she was speaking about senator tim scott as potentially someone well, what's ever say it? >> just to speak for african american voters, if anyone thinks that tim scott is a the audience anyone thinks that tim scott is going to bring over a bunch of black men. they really need to just get with it because tim scott is the only african senator in the republican party for a reason i

would just say this. >> he may not bring over a ton of black men, but how close was that? >> 2020 election if we're just talking about a small percentage, i remember when al gore pick joe lieberman back in 2000, the first jewish vp nominee. and what happened? he was able to rounds of few extra jewish votes and nearly one al gore, the state of florida, because he did so well in ponte gauge and broward county. >> so it doesn't who tim scott is four. and in fact, if we look at the numbers, black voters actually punished him. scott more so than they punish republican white republican voters who hold similar politics right there, punishing him because because he's black, attempt, scott pick is for white moderate voters who are deeply uncomfortable with the racial politics of the trump administration. that's the kind of asset that he brings in. that's where he would be really and i think incredibly important. >> i tend to agree with you on that one, but we'll see what happens on his name tag tomorrow at the vip stake said mar-a-lago. thank you, everyone. and thanks so much

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