now, like saluting frat boys, i feel very i feel very discombobulated. >> all right. >> my one is border apprehensions or down by 40% this is important because of course, immigration has become a huge hot-button issue. >> and what's been happening on the southern border. and the reason that immigration has gone down in the southern border is because of what mexico is doing. and i think one of the things that this really shows is that when you actually have a partnership with a country instead of vilifying a country that perhaps that might help you in real quickly. >> do you think that these declining numbers are going to help biden on the immigration issue where he pulls very badly i don't i don't think so. >> first of all, because i don't think people are looking at the border going up and down and really focusing on that and the fact of the matter is that the border is still bad thank you all for being here and thank you for spending part of your de with us and to those who celebrate even kara, may

the force be with you? >> we'll see you back here next week hello everyone and welcome to the amanpour hour. >> here's where we're headed this week if universities really believe in free speech, are they missing the point of the student protests? i do question how much the university administration understands the concept of free speech. >> then the renowned american rabbi who went to the protests in search of a moral message thing that gives me hope is the people who walk in-between the camps and say friends. we are not enemies, we are all human beings. >> also, this, our anti-social media is tiktok, really a danger to democracy. >> but i wouldn't underestimate the propaganda angle here we got to stop playing the sucker plus, what will it take for america to reclaim its

reputation as a beacon for democracy americans have lost the fundamental love of liberty. >> and from my archive, 21 years since bush's infamous mission accomplished speech, a warning from history about the day after in gaza and why a luxury apartment became a bargain rental in the push to provide affordable housing in paris welcome to the program, everyone, and we start with the biggest anti-war protests on american college campuses since vietnam. what began peacefully at columbia university, a bastion of the historic student peace and justice movement has spread to campuses name wish, and wide and across the globe. here in the uk, in france, australia, and canada protesters have joined the calls to condemn the war in gaza and divest from any connections with israel's war this week in america ends with law enforcement entering campuses from coast to coast,

making more than 1,000 arrests as administered traits call them disruptive and counter demonstrators accused them of anti-semitism as police were ending encampment's and trump and his republican supporters with seizing on this as a campaign law and order issue, independent senator bernie sanders himself, jewish, stepped in with a lesson on history, on protests and the definition of antigen semitism. >> it is important to understand why these protesters are out there and they are out there, not because they are pro-hamas. they are out there because they are outraged by what the israeli government is now doing in gaza, which is bringing unbelievable have not just to the terrorist organization, hamas, but to the entire palestinian people. >> he also spoke of the polls in america that show a majority wanting a ceasefire in israel's war on gaza. >> and also the fundamental issue of constitutional free speech are for hersh is a

journalism professor at the university of southern california she's british of mixed white, jewish, and african heritage as well. >> welcome back to our program. thanks. >> i said all that because i think you're perfectly positioned not only as a professor on one of these campuses there's but your whole heritage gives you so much experience, lived experience as to what's going on what was the last message you had as you were leaving campus to come here to london at the end of semester? >> yes, i taught my final class of a semester in which i am teaching my students to hold people in power accountable, to ask difficult put questions, and to stand up for the truth. that's the ethos of teaching, especially teaching journalism. and as i taught my last class of the semester, and as my plane was taking off for london, i was receiving messages from students who witnessing riot police entering campus after peaceful protests and some of them being arrested and taken into police custody. so that was really my last

experience as i left the end of this semester and things have only escalated since then. >> now, at usc, the valedictorian, her name is asna tabassum, who is a muslim. she said, i was hoping to use my commencement and speech to inspire my classmates with a message of hope by canceling my speeds usc is only caving to fear and rewarding hatred what have they do agree? >> by the way? >> and do you think the administrators could have de-escalated just like on brown for instance, even at northwestern, i'm glad you mentioned brown and auth western because it's a reminder that these students actually have reasonable demands. this isn't just an excuse for some kind of spontaneous anarchy. it's hard to imagine how an undergraduate student who's made valedictorian presents such a great security challenge. that it defeats the university administration and many of us and i include myself feel that that was used as an excuse to justify an a totally

legitimate attempts to try and pacify critics by removing her free speech, presumably, i mean, america has a written constitution, unlike ours here in britain, that guarantees free speech university seem to be completely floundering, trying to figure out where to draw the line. i do question how much the university administration understands the concept of free speech, and how much it understands the history of protests. the point of free speech is that people have the right to say things that you might find uncomfortable or inconvenient. they would be you don't need for right to free speech if it was only protecting things we wanted to hear and the accusation that protests as disruptive seems to misunderstand the point of protest. the leverage that students have in a world where they don't have much power is that they are able to disrupt. and if you look at the history of protests, its aim has been to disrupt with the intention of forcing people to hear demands and think about wider injustices. and that's exactly what these protests are doing now there is obviously a responsibility for those not 30 to protect safety. there has

been a real lack of evidence that there was a threats to safety and security from the protests that happened. and when i speak to my muslim students, they told me but they feel that this is really about who's safety matters more because the idea that some students feel uncomfortable as a result of the protests, and that that justifies arresting and using violence against those who are protesting. really suggests that this is about a hierarchy of power whose needs are more important and who's seen. when you look at the history of protest? look at the civil rights movement in america, for example take the montgomery bus boycott. it wasn't always the initial demands of protesters that rallied wider public support. it was the disproportionate policing and the use of brutality to crush those protests that actually end up having the opposite effect to the one intended and really mobilized. >> but i want to ask you this as we talked it's about each side has to be careful not to delegitimize the cause. so here's a gazan born palestinian analyst are mud for al-khateeb who said, please

adopt pragmatism as a necessary approach or ethos for actually getting things done instead of wasting time with slogan driven and maximalist activism that does there's nothing use your western privilege to actually help the palestinian people and promote a pragmatic path forward by gauging israeli and jewish audiences. >> we don't look very much a protest and grants grassroots movements. and as a result, there's a tendency to depict them as these anarchic disorganized vague movements of these ideas estate young people who don't really know what they're doing. i really would challenge that in this occasion, there is a very specific list of demands these students have. and they are themselves historically literate and aware of previous experiences. for example, the 1980s in two years hundred universities in america divested from companies that were linked to the south african apartheid regime that had a significant impact on the viability of apartheid. these students are calling for

disinvestment from israel and companies linked to the israeli military for reason that they believe in the potential of that demands to actually make a difference to the outcome and final question, because this is getting a lot of taig on campus and those who are listening, benjamin netanyahu is a master of seizing the political moment, right? what's happening on america's college campuses? is referred anti-symmetric mobs have taken over leading universities they call for the annihilation of israel the attack jewish students, the attack jewish faculty this is reminiscent of what happened in german universities and the 1930s. >> i really resent the comparison. my grandfather lived through germany in the 1930s as a young jew and he and many of his contemporaries became lifelong, lifelong advocates of progressive policy politics. they were against ethno, national chisholm and they were against the use of violence because of what they experienced, those beliefs mirror exactly what these students are calling for. i

mean, i would say to someone like netanyahu what does a protest against israel's war in gaza that isn't anti-semitic look like because he is so quick to weaponize antisemitism some to shut down legitimate scrutiny and accountability for israel's actions i am not dismissive of antisemitism. we all need to be unequivocal in condemning antisemitism. we also need to be unequivocal in seeing and condemning islamophobia, where we see it. >> i don't draw a difference or distinction between forms of raid this is prejudice and discrimination against minoritized groups my sense from the time i've spent in america as well as my life in the uk is that there is a great awareness for the problem of anti-semitism and a willingness to take it seriously, which i applaud meanwhile, legitimate calls for a change in policy in the middle east and the experiences, the lived experiences of muslim students does not attract the same level of sympathy or awareness at all

for hersh. thanks again for being on the program and coming up next, we continue this conversation with a renowned american rabbi who went looking for common ground at the college campus protests. >> and later columbia university professor tim wu says, it's time the west stop playing the soccer on security when it comes to china and tiktok having china and control of one of the world's most popular social media slash propaganda tool seems like a terrible thing, terrible idea now they're shooting pepper spray into the crowd i'll show you happening from him as a whole now and they're giving orders to disperse. >> any feels like a lot happened here. i brought in a ceu or max protein with 30 grams of protein. those who tried me felt more energy adjust two weeks here, i'll take that sure. >> not to protein 30 grams, protein one prim sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals, and a new fiber blend with a

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your doctor if it's right? hyper you. >> i'm melanie zanona in washington and this is cnn at a time of so much anguish and grief over the war in gaza and the civilian death toll along with the lingering israeli trauma of october 7 and so on. >> many civilian hostages still held captive. there are still those looking for a way to unite people and de-escalate the crisis. rabbi sharon browse has visited both columbia and ucla campuses before the police were brought in to try and find common ground. she joined me from california to talk about what she witnessed firsthand and about the dangers of seeing the other in the most extreme way welcome back to our program, rabbi. thank you so much for having me, chris, can just first tell me what made you literally get up and fly across the country to go to columbia. and what did you see? and then also at ucla?

>> see the protests as a kind of growing out of a legitimate anguish and sorrow and moral concern that this war must end. and what i wanted to see and understand is that i have seen many videos and heard personal reports from people i care deeply about on that campus, about a growing threat of virulent, anti-semitic doesn't mean that place and that is manifesting in people surrounding jewish students saying things like, we're going to do october 7 again and again and again. and chanting things like kill yourself, kill yourself calling people, nazi while they're walking down the street et cetera. so this is truly a horrific new era that we've entered where we see the normalization of anti-semitism in a very dangerous environment and climate. and so what i want to do is both affirm the importance of public protest as a way of collectively grieving

i'm think truly terrible. that's happening. and thinking creatively about what might be born out of this moment. >> i wanted to ask you what you actually saw there. my question to you is, should the protest be viewed through the lens of the unacceptable behavior and the words of a minority because most people say it's mostly peaceful, right? >> and what i saw when i was on campus at columbia last thursday was peaceful and there are jews who are in part of this encampment as well. there was shared food, there was clearly a sense of both belonging and shared purpose, and shared grief. in that space. and that is really critical cool and so what i think is important is to acknowledge and call out where the language is violent, vitriolic, and maximalist so that there can be a protest movement that is a protest for peace that is actually using the moral imagination that college students are so good at mustering to imagine what a different kind of future might

be possible. but there's a kind of gaslighting that's happening. christiane right now when jewish students, when many jewish students say that they don't feel safe on campus because some of this rhetoric is truly egregious and violent. now, what i saw on ucla's campus on sunday was essentially the equivalent. but this time with a calling in extremist from the pro israel sayyed. and there was a conflagration and we are really lucky that it did not turn more violent than it was because you have a fueling of extremism here. and literally i was trying to weave in-between these two camps, saying to people, look, we need to deescalate, you need to go home. this is it's not helping anybody for you to be here and god forbid, somebody gets truly heard in one of these, in one of these conflicts, i want to ask you then to react to brown university, it appears that the administration, the president of brown, the administration of brown managed to de-escalate through talks and meetings and

listening and talking with the actual students who ended up removing on their own, their encampment with university leaders saying that they would discuss and they would later vote on the issues, whether it'd be divesting or whatever it might be is that a model that you would say should be taken up by more of these universities. >> this is absolutely a model. there have to be grownups in the room and christiana, i want to tell you what one thing that i witnessed when i was at ucla, there was a group of people there who identify with standing together, which is an organization it's and palestinians who were working together to build adjust and shared future. one of the people who leads this group started chanting in gaza and tel all children deserve to live in gaza in tel aviv, all children deserve to live and i saw something absolutely breathtaking happen, which is we're right in between the palace hello, tie in solidarity

camp on one side and the pro-israel camp on the other. and people on both sides started to clap and started to say those words because those words actually make sense. and when you're fed a diet of extremism, you think the only answer is elimination for my people to have justice. your people must be wiped out but it's not true. we have been fed falsehood. and in fact, they're the only, the, only response to this will be when israelis and palestinians figure out how to build, adjust and shared future. so that's the grown-up voice in the space that's the de-escalation voice you're right to want justice. you're right to be concerned about safety. so are we and our safety is tied up in one another's again, was struck by what you posted on instagram where you actually said i think if i'm not misquoting, you said palestinians are not hamas. in other words, they are not that movement maybe there are some, but it's not all palestinian you a very

insistent in your crm into your congregation that this, these people, a people had to have the right. and as you say, this kind of, these wars, this kind of division would probably continue until everyone's rights legitimised. >> yeah, that's absolutely right palestinians are not hamas. most people i just want to live in peace, put their children to bed at night. they want to have their dignity realized. palestinians deserve and need self-determination if any people in the world ought to understand that, it ought to be the jews for whom self-determination was denied for so much of our history. and we understand the vulnerability that comes with living as a minority under another power. they'd need and deserve to live with dignity and that dignity, and that's is not going to come at the expense of israeli jews having, having their freedom and having their self-determination. both of

these things are possible. and i think the work of the grown-ups in the room right now is to pull plus back from the edge of the abyss and say, listen to the voices that are coming out of israel and palestine right now. >> rob, i, sharon browse. thank you so much indeed for joining us. >> thank you. christiane i'm coming up sensational living. >> what other capital cities can learn from paris when it comes to affordable housing for all the first columbia university professor tim wu says it's time to start taking tiktok threat to democracy more seriously. >> but i wouldn't underestimate the propaganda angle. we've got to stop playing the sucker every piece of evidence tells a story. how it really happened with jesse l. martin tomorrow at nine on cnn when the genes came out, i thought, oh, my god i'm bob has a friend.

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owner bytedance to sell columbia professor tim wu says it's about time and that quote, the democracies of the world have played the soccer for too long tim wu, welcome to the program. >> pleasure to be here. >> so what do you mean are you being harsh? >> i wouldn't say so. i mean, i think china has a terrible track record when it comes to internet rights and freedoms. >> and the idea they should be treated just like any other country, i think is wrong. >> and so having china and control of one of the world's most popular social media slash propaganda tools seems like a terrible thing, terrible idea. >> what do you make of the national security aspect of it, which seems to be what pushed the us into such fast legislation and into the first such legislation in years i mean, they haven't talking about it for quite some period i think the national security concerns are hard to fully evaluate with all the class, without all the classified information. but the general

sense of having an embedded app in tens of millions of people's phones, which both collects data on it more data than anyone else. and also can be shaped to present whatever kind of message you might want. i mean, it's crazy, it's such an obvious propaganda tool. if you want to sort of steer people towards one viewer, steer another, it's not that hard and look, i agree there's other outlets that have that. i mean, frankly. so does any media outlet. but for this to be in charge of a state that we are in effectively a contest with over the future of civilization is really intolerable. >> and of course, they would say, hold on, we're not a chinese state owned corporations. 60% of our business is owned elsewhere. what do you say to that? >> well, if you want to prove that sell tiktok bytedance is always saying on the one hand, we're not actually a chinese company. we do what we want, but we can't sell tiktok because the chinese government won't let us i mean, i think there's a very clear track

record of chinese tech companies having to do with the chinese state says, whether that's expressed in forms of formal control. there is this golden share, or whether it's just the fact of founders, mnc going missing for periods of time or getting threats. it's clear that china exerts very strong control over its major tech platforms and so i don't think by dances, by any means exempt from that kind of control bytedance has been told to sell within nine months or face a ban in the united states. and bytedance operates and is headquartered in china what is the result? let's say this happens and somebody else bonds, buys tiktok, the western democracies need to be serious about this challenge in the struggle with china in many ways, the future of the internet is the future of civilization. and we're in an ideological and in some ways economic struggle with china. and i think we need to take a little more seriously tiktok is sold to even another country that's more democratic. i

think that's fine. and that sends a very important message, which you mess with the rights and freedoms on the internet. you don't get treated like a normal country. >> and what should europe do? has it done enough to stand up against tiktok i don't think europe has generally banned it for officials i would call on europe to take more seriously the issue of having a state with very different ideology than the western democracies. >> a very different ideology in control of one of the most important propaganda and surveillance tools in the world. i think europe needs do more. i think they've been soft peddling this a little bit and saying all this is just an american overreaction since you're columbia university professor and columbia is the center of so much international gaze right now with all the protests do you think that some of the accusations about tiktok use amongst the young suggesting that it's proliferating hamas propaganda and the like hey, do think that's accurate and bead, you think that played into the congressional speed with which

it passed this law i've looked at the studies that have just that and i don't feel i'm expert enough to opine but i do think there have been credible studies suggesting that tiktok material tends to reflect the chinese party states view of the world, particularly on chinese related disputes like taiwan or tibet, or, or, or other places within china. >> and you know, why wouldn't they, i think it's a serious danger. i think it's not something we should just laugh it off. i've i should say during the cold war goal of the soviet union was always to insight into fading in the west. and we got a lot of infighting going on right now lastly, you know, many would say, particularly young people we've already seen them say, what do you mean banning tiktok? >> this is how we get our information, our entertainment, et cetera. and many would say, what about the open free internet able to sort things out and regulate itself what's your answer to that? >> i'm a huge believer in the

open and free internet, which is why we have to enforce the principles by telling tiktok and bytedance to find a different owner for tiktok. if you don't enforce these principles they disappear and we've been sitting here allowing china, russia, all these are cuba, so forth, iran, to violate all the principles of a free and open internet if there's no consequences, the principles become a joke professor tim wu, thank you very much indeed for joining us it's been a pleasure. >> and of course, bytedance is likely challenge all of this in court still to come from the archive, a warning from history about the day after in gaza, from the blowback i saw firsthand after the iraq war. but first how luxury apartments became bargain rentals in paris. >> we'll be right back with that story easy timberwolves, snowdrifts coverage begins

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there then in 2001, parent this is townhome was won by the left normal corporate at physics, you've mostly, that means city sociality, cdvdt get to get to bow on hole had to overcome in fact, the average price of a one-bedroom apartment in paris has more than doubled. these laws 20 years. and nearly tripled in some areas for two-bedroom home which in turn has made centrally located social housing all the more important. already, it is one and nine parisians that benefits people like xena, who's placed in the summary ten development allows her to live close to the central paris hospital where she works. >> malcom on this amusia february the most favorable

clyburn, an open-air museum that is now seeking to help those who keep it. schools and hospitals running to be able to benefit from from them to melissa bell in paris with ideas that work still to come on the show. former reagan republican robert kagan on americans falling out of love with democracy. but first from my archive, the disastrous power vacuum and the insurgency that filled it after the us led war in iraq. and a warning from history about what happens next in gaza morrow story one of the world's most diverse ecosystems. ivan watson confronts the stark reality i'm the real climate change ready to fight for us the whole story with anderson cooper tomorrow at eight on cnn right now, you can get a free foot locker subway just by any foot login to add to get one free. >> just scan the qr code indiana promo code, fal fogbow

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palestinian right to sell determination from my archive this week, the reality i saw firsthand in iraq as america and its allies dealt with the chain reaction caused by saddam hussein's defeat liberation brought laughter and later, laughter gave way to looting and the first signs of a dangerous security vacuum and into that vacuum, a decision was made that most degree was a fundamental mistake. paul bremmer has first major order as us administrator, firing iraqi army i love approach shares outside occupation headquarters. >> many of the fired soldiers and officers threaten to turn against the americans and that seems to have happened after long dismissing the insurgence is dead enders. the us is only now openly admitting their strength. >> think it is very serious,

right? these are very serious terrorists some of them clearly from outside the country perhaps increasingly so the us military has not managed to crush them. >> now, the iraqis will try the we are mobilizing our police force we definitely are mobilizing our army and the mecca 32 confront the antennas over iraq and the criminals and the terrorists violence threatens projects. >> the us has started and the iraqi government plans to pursue like democracy. the insurgency forced the us to hand over power early before they could oversee a permanent then constitution or the first general elections as they had planned services are constantly sabotaged. >> the iraqi government now promise since to fix what a 15-month occupation could not this is what baghdad university students told us seven months

ago, and we didn't ask the american on government to send us to the moon. no, no. >> it's very simple. >> our problems is very simple. >> like electricity, the water but today, electricity is still more off than on as we found when we visited gay thow jazira is sitting in his darkened art gallery i've handled with before the war, we use to make $1,000 a day. >> he told us. now we barely make 200 a month no electricity, no security, no customers here wherever you go, people can't shake their worry no matter how fervently they hope the handover brings peace and quiet. >> well and tell you of cool course, we're all worried about the problems in explosion says java sabi. when we leave our homes, we say the muslim prayer of debt. we don't know what will happen to us or whether our children will be killed given nima lives democracy, the

economy, reconstruction, all held hostage by the constant violence. >> those who have come to help a targets and so are there iraq, colleagues hassan, who translates for the us army? >> hides his identity against a certain death sentence, but he is defined. >> i want to say something again, sergeants that i will not they will not make me scare. oh, then tabula is our work i will never get rid of my job with the i can tell they make this a place and make my country stable and secure to stop the violence and spur recovery senior us offices say the porous borders must be sealed, networks of informal route to use by the insurgents have to be closed down and safe houses have to be destroyed. one us officer tells cnn, this war has turned iraq into a base for jihad and terrorism. >> but even those like gay tall january sitting in his empty art gallery with no power says at least they are free to hope now, hey, my house and that i

hate sedan. saddam's departure may if you he's free of fear. he said but feelings are complicated at the baghdad morgue, doctor, no full sugar he smiles when i asked him whether it's better without saddam. >> he's come here to collect his uncle's body. >> i believe it is better this is better. but without american if they're mega can go. us army this better. what if they remained? >> this is about, i'm very bad. >> but the us army is staying. it has to protect the new iraqi government that has become a target as well. >> but the people hope by some miracle it will get better now they have their country back, mostly because they think that it can't get any worse. but of course it would get much worse as iraq became a hotbed for jihad and terrorism in the

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willing to destroy the system that's what he because he's a rucker, americans have lost the fundamental love of liberty, the fundamental virtues that are required in our system it is not enough to only want freedom and liberty for yourself in our system, you have to want it for everyone. and if you don't have that sort of sense of liberal virtue, that belief he found in these universal values then you're willing to allow someone who is going to destroy them to take power. >> and right after that interview time magazine released this cover story with trump himself confirming those worst fears. asked about all this talk about ending american democracy. he said i think a lot of people like it. >> you can watch the rest of our conversation online that amanpour.com and find all of our shows online wherever you get your podcasts from. >> i'm christiane amanpour in london. thank you for watching. we're off next week, but bag may 18