a comment on it like it, sarah, and don't forget to subscribe to. i'll tell we post number it is on the environment every friday. the presidential elections in russia of the usual forgotten conclusion, with nothing left to charm, not even the desk in jail, as the leading opposition figure elect, saying about me, whose name poston cousins, bring himself to speak. my guest is the russian commentary to andre kalashnikov, who had split kindly. he rush, are you ready just sent that in moscow? wasn't of only such a serious threat to put in his regime that he has to be killed either to be imprisoned when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information. feel about the same time, quite my teeth, and way to compress it fulfills it parts of the population. and because of that,

it was important to, let's see, eliminate him from the political fuel. so what's it like to live with the government that kills its political opponents and seem for most go, why the southern states of warnings by nato officials about a russian attack over the next few years? what does a no, we don't. and the color slick of welcome to complex. i don't think so it's it's much, it's time for presidential elections in russia of id may i put in once a 5th time. that'd be my boots and always gets what he wants is this is close to absolute power as it gets in russia. yes. so this is one more step to choose absolute power. but so when we are asking our sales where it was 20 points, for she seems as a decrease of michigan mazda, because the development of his interview was somewhere in the year 2020. when he

told the referendum about some of the med, most of the constitution, both of may think about 0 and copious prison essential terms. and now she is over to the president. and after that, all the doors were open for any steps. functions sites like to this war of february 22, 22 in questioning of no other means the same year. 2020 it doesn't have much to do with democracy. it does it. these elections, even mr. perkins spokesman, dimitri pest golf told the new york times last year, presidential election isn't really a democracy. it's a costly bureaucracy. so why bother with this show? because this is one more attempt to demonstrate to the majority of the rough can population that they, they are still the majority, which is obedience,

indifference and ready to continue to accept the protest initiatives. and just as important as that's minority minority is a must understand that they are still minorities. don't say, can't influence anything cause this country because we have a majority which is in flash which supports protein. so nothing to do with this political system. we can't change and i think because of that, so this election search to no significant, it's the same time just as one more really rounds aflac. why not to, to repeat this kind of really and to refresher as a legitimacy or for the all to correct. oh, credible candidates of being eliminated way before the polling stations opened bar? it's not just in the anti war candidate. he was disqualified by the states because some traction for awhile. was he a, a threat?

was he didn't that's right. an edition with squares attracted to the public who was liberal views and you're down in the rush or millions of people who are sharing to liberal pro the critic pro western the anti portion of the vision of the world. and because of that, in addition was kind of a fault for just people wednesday sun and it's pushing it and it was understandable, that's a criminal decide. it's not a little ocean to participate because she puts it undermines the feeling of absolutes, consolidation around putting in a case of getting, i don't know, 56, given 10 percent. uh, man into it quick means that to pretend he is not the only one who is so who deserves. so the supports and there are people with the enter your agenda not to mention that and zip case. and that doesn't include demonstrates end to our agenda via television and the code. so shake sales and use. so for the majority,

which is still not connected to the tv set. so, so with no, they decided not to not to risk you from that slide risk. i'm alexa, nobody that in a prison camp in the optic circle, once he ever really elect, true threat to pretend or was it that he and others like him. we're never going to be allowed to get anywhere near that status. the one that didn't have an opportunity to participate in the legal political process. but so when she did participate in the year 2013 during moscow's mayor's elections, he was extremely efficient. astonishingly efficient for kremlin and death resistance. they decided to not to allow him to participate in any kind of like options. so if it was a real threat to pushing them to some moment to moment to the needs of pasta,

the whole political process reduced, busy. now this is, it is fine between the fall knee and approach him. and is that sense even being can prison? that when it was a threat to pretend that competitor may be invisible in an information field about the same time, quite mighty and square to compress it for, for that part of the population. and because of that, it was important to, let's see, eliminate him from the political field. do you by the story that he was about to be swapped for a kayla. so having time in germany, do you by that story? of we don't know the truths maybe will not know it, but it looks like blows and bull story. and in that sense, simple, it was not requested dance. uh that she was, let's say,

maybe killed maybe by some maybe something else. so we have to wait for some results. so for his team of research to maybe use the gym to clear up some good deals and i found his family is pretty clear and his colleagues are pretty clear that the state did kill him. you wouldn't seriously argue with that, would you i would say likely. so the experience of this regime demonstrates that it's as possible. i a, let's remember, is a case of street by this, or in any other cases, and put in the several times, repeat it to your anxious career that the, my pets, realty color oriented ordering. and since people do that of these and because of that among people with uh, let's say liberal views, there is no doubt. that's why they put the keels. uh no,

we don't have the controls as evidence of it so, but the feeling is very strong. come on, russian civil society. we know that they tried and failed to kill him back in 2020 and we know because the millions listen to a government assessment describing his previously unsuccessful attempt to kill him about a little realizing that he was actually talking to him. about the i'm being recorded by him at the time. so nobody's going to believe any government denials of a underscore. uh, you know, which means what do we mean by nobody? and because the majority is still prefers to believe friendly and unofficial version, or prefer us not to think about this, the horrible story you know, so low to for russian. so they didn't know about the place of things that i didn't know about that the so it's not what it means is in this

a count on your arctic circle. but the majority prefers not to boulder itself. uh, not to pay too much attention to, to this for us in order to keep for themselves mentally normal. um the subsea more old, but the majority prefers not to know. and it seems about, uh like, uh, uh cuz you know, it is still with his dad says that the red, cetera. and because of that, that's more about belief with these belief among people with the normal view suisse a democratic fused record, revive from a lawyer at the human rights group. memorial said if they could kill nevada and they, they could kill anybody else. if he's right, where does all this and all the kennings, all the political prisoners. why does this? and i know the real threat is to political prisoners for sure.

now we don't have a political position in the appropriate sense of the words right now because of a high level of, for patients kyra's in the, in names a substitute new new orleans the last year or so for his existence. and i, i, i would say that unfortunately, for instance, people like, let him and cut them. it was a, or, yeah, yes. and could be under threats, and not everyone in dissidence community, but uh, the main of the most local people from mazda political, a position, because barto was a political position as a broad sub parts. so for the leaders that are in prison. so for people who are in prison, so there was a real threat, i think unfortunately, you spoke of the found this funeral about moral resistance among the population, people carrying flowers and candles to his memorials. how much of that moral

resistance is left in russia. and it gets trans of sorts moral because as i said, political position isn't so efficient right now. and this is more about a moral resistance and about political resistance. this people can fight as they do not want to fight for power. they don't have fully their asses, they don't have organizations which are totally liquidated by the regime. even small in jewels about the dose of the demonstrates as a funeral and the dental straight to that this, the civil society still here must be for a society of such which is very different and passive, and full of confirm is and civil society. the society are responsible citizens who to who was the best, who was a country hor permanent horror because of this war. they demonstrated that they are

here. it was extra route step for people club for who were going to. it was a funeral because of the, the face recognition system is working and sometimes policemen are coming to a to is if last. so it was as people after a different kind of events, wolf, a funeral slave link flowers as a man, as a place, as of man, there we go for political repression, so it's cetera, et cetera. so if you want to see the so civil society in the russia we can overcome, for instance, a website over the, in for with the concrete statistics about persecutions, about the criminal prosecutions, administrative persecutions, extrajudicial persecutions, a lot of examples of these kind of problems for russian citizens, but she resist civil society, which is still ready to resist and i'm ready to the police to

think of all the constitution. think about so as a responsibility, collective responsibility you, you talked about no problem is legacy. i'd like to know how long you think it will last. isn't it inevitable that as the years go by, that will be less and less opposition? a moral or real refreshing works? doesn't it? repressions efficient. yes. for precious work, but at the same time no. this fatigue from room is also sheer. and in a case of a minor success for a civil society and a demonstration of what to use uh, some people cuz it's 18 corpus difficult for me says they can't shares of you sofa . and this actually, if a single society activities, so in that sense, russia isn't hopeless,

and i think it was just like and so the attempts were when minerals people were ready for changes when gorbachev key, when government were much referred to, could the power ends as being a bunch of population is also ready for changes, but so, you know, in current circumstances kind of a single though must came from the very top. and the was out a change in the 1st person, i guess. so the serious changes in russia are impossible. veteran now extraordinary efforts and you've outlined some of them to, to clamp down on even the slightest infractions of this expanding penal codes that the author are. it is keep adding to. we hear of teachers in schools reporting a 10 to 11 year old pupils to the security police books, a band people arrested on the metro because they were reading something. but the fellow passengers didn't like every case pursued with the utmost vigor and

brutality. and i suppose my question is, is the state really that is secure about its hold on paul and its people? you know, it smarter bells cell development of russian style. all sorts here is my would say this is not simply and assorted terrorism is more about a name, it's high, but it's a tell it to it is the same utilitarianism because the state is trying to infiltrate into all this for yourselves. a private life of people you to want it wants to control, for instance, seaters repair to ours, uh, book markets, libraries, etc, etc. but nevertheless, this societies mother and license as a sort of a well educated society and people are trying to keep for the private space to see more on more or less normal situation. and it looks us to print it's some, some movies are pretty cool with appear in this such

a strange hospitality around space. so yeah, is there a difference the threat slight denunciations from your competitor else? but nevertheless, it is still, it is still civil society and i can repeat it as not so hopeless and get the chance survives this period. but the, the space of labor to you for free. the may snare rooms. this is through, but if you wants to do something, you can try. and some people are trying to, to write to articles to be vocal, to, to, to talk, at least to talk about the current situation. it's, it's not a dresser, it's not help does it by the fact that so many ordinary citizens appeared willing to inform on each other on their colleagues and their families and friends. how destructive is that to the fabric of russian society destroys trust on the

a yes, a strong as to the trust is not so the strong side of the society is the trust of each other. but some people simply prefer enough to talk with unknown persons. they prefer to talk and also who they are trying not to be so vocal sitting in congress for instance, to say preferred not to discuss political issues. this is true, but you know, it's a same time uh, again who, who wants to resist can try to do it. for instance, if there is such a new magazine which was initiated by the nova, laura, it's a mr. moore auto for is a title going to be in the corporation with gorbachev foundation. and this is one of the attempts to, to, to, to, to create something to you,

even in the circumstances. there were some problems. so is this magazine, but it is still in the fields. so why not to transfer this whole thing? and uh this it's, it's a, it's contribute. so, something like hope for the future. when we talk about hope, let's also talk about the war in ukraine, which has of course, exacerbated the repression level good costs. leading russian sociologist says there's a high degree of support for the war highest among the educated and the educated in moscow does not surprise you. yes, uh, is there a lot of surprising stories, especially in the field of mess psychology in meso silver chain. and uh, you know, this is all about people who are afraid of changing their life. they are trying to

avoid problems with themselves. which means that as a full flip, say, double thinking of a pretending the war doesn't exist. so they can to avoid the mentioning fee to thinking about the balance is a trained not to do it publicly, maybe the same people, but who they want to continue as a career, as for instance, in the university. so something like that. but as a, a private spacing, their quizzes selected to us in sylvia time. so they can discuss freely the current situation with the core, with the some assessments which are not public. let's see, this is more about privates assessments private life. so this is more about double thinking. you said, recent pay that pretend has made clear russia is fighting a permanent background war with the west. that argument gives is, is,

is russian all his way to maintain power? does put in one that war and you'll view oh yes, she wants me. she's the main initiator, i'm sure, is that, and is this personal, this decreasing, put in was the main source of, of this war was this idea. ology, which justifies for the russian id, was a nation, atlanta in nationalistic and imperialistic ideas. the very archive that deals to the, to the, to tradition, send us spiritual values, etc, etc. and she must invent. so the goal for the society. so it's just not coping is more capitalism and they invented some traveling this per month for it was the best, the best was also taking us. so we must defense our sales. and even though we're expansion expansions, this is kind of, this is more about defense. and uh,

the reason the reports reese, i'm sorry to interrupt you, reset the intelligence reports in the west of suggested russia intends to double the number of its troops on the border with the baltic states and finland. and people have spoken. officials, government officials in several countries have spoken of the fact that that could possibly be attacked by russia on the nato countries over the next few years. how plausible do think that these things is because p r o to be so then to to, to, to, to look so mighty. so impress if uh, uh, and i guess he wants to create i am, she's a political philosophies. this is a part of russia for sure, and she wants to return and strengthen as he says. so this territories it, she doesn't care about voltage states, freelance or, or pulled this as

a loop service in my opinion. she will not have enough resources for one more flank one more front, so she simply wants to continue. this permanent port was the best as a goal for the society, but at the same time in the practical terms and apply it to her. and she doesn't want to, to take the, for instance, voltage stays because it will mean the real world was native. it would be much more serious. so that's just sort of a tuition blueprint. doesn't need to look week to russia to put in a not. so we could but to what was this very majority of the society, which in looks like a strong man, chloe cruise equal to 2 tomato. nice. it is more of both even show for the main enemy, united states of america, nathan in europe, is kind of a such a line to of uh,

of nato in the ends. united states. you said last month that despite all the new, clear se but rattling that we've heard from fulton, they don't want the afraid of nuclear war. what makes you so sure of that jose, and also as you settled, they must understand that. so even the use of the technical the ukes could be suicidal for uh for, for the region, for the country. uh they want to leave for they want to enjoy this life and because of that. so, yes, so the, so nuclear black mailing, she's quite impressive. and quite expensive as it is quite effective because it's presented to preventive the west from giving the sophisticated weapons to you, correct? yes. as a problem for actually. so that's a very conversations that talk about the nuclear, where it became such

a light. my talk, we can do it. why not? this is a main danger to proceed the domestic public so that it is possible. this is a danger. a british historian wrote recently that society is like russia, autocracies, don't bend, but they can break. do you believe that after all russia has broken, the soviet union broke up the button wall came down, communism was denounced as a failed experiment. under what circumstances do you think russia could conceivably come apart? now, you know, when we're talking about this, the future ends, the behavior of our lights. they're behaving like that, according to the drover up in order to look after us as it is a slot. and in that sense, they hopelessly, as they have enough resources to continue this work until the physical end of uh,

putting them to his team. but the, uh, the resources could be depleted. and the next generation though, for petitions they will have to take responsibility for the country. fully european security and this as an interest of the west, coca cola and interest mutual interest of the russians at west said to have a new generation of people who can recreate discounts for you from 0 this funding full count because the resources i'm not to the terminal, so the bills are full, russia, that's the alexa and the value you talked about does exist somewhere down the line and you'll view it exists in the, in the soul, southern brain. so for pro democratic russians as they are here and those they will be ready for changes when the time will count. i'm very caustic of thank you very much for being on comforting, so. thank you. thank you for having me here. the,

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