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victories on terrorist of church or smashed the wealth records. snatching this from her own mental th, i, eddie mike of junior. and you are welcome to the program, said 2 years ago. so a has started a falls out africans. the countries fast democratic elections brought an end to apartheid and decades of violent races twice mine in order to set africa as far as governments led by nelson mondale. i chose to press you forgiveness over persecution, introduced the truth and reconciliation commission preparatory tests and victims of violence and human rights abuses, could give testimony and request amnesty from both criminal and civil prosecution. but till today, thousands in south africa still few let down,

some of them elderly citizens who often 4th apartheid demanding reparations for the crimes. the suffered ass down whole cat reports from john his back as the what they say is applied to justice on the state. so, so that if it has to institutional members, if that the movement for spent the last 5 months tempting here under strips, they say many victims of a particular crimes of being ignored. even though the government has a fund with a $100000000.00 us dollars for reparations. number actually up with nazis, the groups leader and says many of the members missed out on the truth and reconciliation process. i feel is down and i feel that the government does look to an end. it just is not all new to me. to use

an a but a victim in south africa by not allowing the by not even creating that platform. because i feel like it's a pie. one is a healing is a healing, is assist you to speak out to be listened at. at the same time to be at least the last. when i say say she was beaten by a party police while working as an activist. back perhaps the most painful school is the loss of her brother. she sees you was murdered by the army. 1993 during the vigil for liberation. active as chris hon took about a week look know we way use with about these boards and to i had to go to the government more stuff in to miss the way i found it. packed off a cups the dead bodies with pick like a like

a bag of cement on top of in order to get to know hughes body. i have to ask also the person was we can good. can you help me because i feel like my pride that you may be among those when i see these days wasn't able to investigate the system organization, the cool money support group has a 150000 statements from people who missed out during the t or c, process improve statements, it says the government should consider sec has been, it says many victims would not comfortable to speak out so soon off to a party while others didn't have the means. the states and you have an honest with the, with the to i see statement take, this would be, i mean, it was pulling back if you even heard of it. and then also because people had basically really destitute already at that time. they didn't have money to take texas to go to the statement to you cuz there's really some of the very practical

programs we have documented this. oh, for the department of justice, because we think it's completely unjustified to disclose the dues when all this work has been documented and, and the flows are actually on the side of the state. despite the research and despite the government sees, it's too late to reopen the case when it comes to the people that are currently living outside the constitutional court. are you saying that they should simply go home? yes, they shouldn't go. and we're the one with that. but the, there's no need for them to, to be that out in the quote on this thing. because our so there is nothing that we can do, the payment history has the list is closed, the positions are done through the process of public and it will have a lot of people as to, to open the list. this of everything government sees it will use the reparation

fund for housing, education, and health key for the 21000 people on the current list. members of the victims group say the only thing stopping the government from putting more people on that list. even lack of political will off to decades of writing niches in lobby. they hope the physical presence at the heart of the justice system might shame the government into action. joining me now is yasmin suca for much truth and reconciliation commission. hello, and welcome to the program of them with so many victims of apartheid not being had and still waiting for compensation that the t l. c fail. you know, i think the ti i see with a huge success and that is set to meet, but she was, it was meant to do in terms of the legislation. i think the failure to do with what

we call the unfinished business of the truth commission. must last squarely at the fees all the state and also the national prosecutorial authority because, you know, it has always understood that if people did not apply for amnesty, which was conditional or if they failed to get honesty, been a little follow its course. and so in 1998, when the commission completed these hearings, it had been a list of more than 300 cases, to the national prosecutorial authority. and of course, seem to speed it up. i would say 26 years. less than 20. are seeing the lights of day and that is why i think be looking at this question of what political interference the watch in dealing with these issues. right sir, you seem to be pointing fingers at the government. so let me ask you, there's

a government says it's too late to reopen cases. is it really too late, or is it a lack of interest to compensate victims of apartheid era crimes as the political will. and you know, if these cases had been investigated and it's public traits has had been put on trial 20 years ago. mean, of course, i think you'd have seen more just as full victims. but because we discover the cause of forcing the state to do its job, backing back, they had been political interference on the part of the state names about a model toria really was switching plays not to embrace the game themes cases not to prosecute these cases. and that is why so many years later, i think the victims are really struggling for justice. i don't think it's ever to

do that. um, you know, to deal with these cases. and in fact, if you look at between the cases which we have been pursuing on behalf of the victims, we have a number of successful inc waste. and right now we have at least 3 trials we to ongoing and the courts. and i think this is the same as the many countries, including places like argentina and should a way prosecutions continue. many, many years. they to all think the biggest problem of course, is that you know, perpetrators of bossing on. and of course, the families of victims and dr. young, i've a and so this, i think creating watson in boss definitely did quite an impass. can you really help me understand? why on e and c governments that was part of the liberation is somehow suppressing cases of victims when you consider the which in fact,

most of the victims that we're speaking all what people who gave up the lives in the struggle for the duration. it does seem rather strange. i mean, fact when one has us many amc stalwarts. one of the answers we've received is that, you know, if we prosecute, then they going to mon, private prosecutions, which i think really is a nonsense. but i think and more interesting response which i haven't received is that these are real still, that you know, many people who are informed as, as, as in most conflicts that they would be lost. and i think fact lives at the heart of why and, and the government didn't do with it. we had the cost of saying that we want to get to the choose of why the investigations and prosecutions didn't happen. they

need an independent commission of inquiry water to have the 4 weeks to call the former president. and thank you as well because if i didn't use the machine that tomorrow toria was put in place. right. so how often mistake can we be that the ongoing public activism and protest could force the government to address the issue especially had over elections as i think we have to activism both by the families of victims. and of course, you know, the foundation for human rights, which has been the primary civil society organizations, which is really push this question of justice for victims as if the rations. and i think that we've been quite successful. but of course is a lot more work to do and we're good to have to continue with that struggle. i think the saddest thing of course is that now we have big intergenerational issue

with these big children who are very young at the time. the family man, this was killed, went off, taking off the bison, and you know that, that he's a told him that he's being bossed onto the children as well. right? um, let me get your thoughts on this quickly before you go. that's still so many victims of a pop, i'd still waiting for some form of reparation. what's your recommendation? what would you like to see down today to address this? we say that in fact, you know, on the question of reservations, base for money that he's missed in the prison spot and you know, the community that the rations was never really paid off. and we believe that the government really needs to look at this issue again. and what we've got to look at is what kind of criteria we can put you in place to at least compensate the victims that are still alive. and the family members were needed. i mean, the case of prosecutions. we said, send up a special court, set up

a quote with switching judges from the only job is, is to deal with these cases and set up a team of special prosecutors for the boat to, to only dealing with these cases. i mean that way we can move these issues forward . right. yasmine suca form. i choose and reconciliation commission. i thank you very much for your time. i thank you. let's now go to the democratic republic of congo, where the un peacekeeping mission, when new school is leaving after 25 years. the pots are requested by the congolese authorities. that's worrying some people, especially in remote areas like the high plateau, a south cable, where in security passes use powell is very you report from eastern d. c. it looks like the commodities armies of 5 d. c is in the fight

with one of the many groups. so bearing thinking says, keep the class, but the season exist size they are learning was again, from pakistani peacekeepers before they have to continue in their home. but on the 3rd, the show is my man are learning from a new sco alimony school and we're preparing from a noose goes departure, and i printed a bunch of them. so we're learning what we'll have to do after they leave it. i think it depends on what they've run through many basic techniques together and by the end of a pro, the $120.00 basically for us will leave the amazing. so if you guys have for me to engage with the communities military, like what would you repeat? the sign includes accusations of the payments of sort just said i read but the departing team, c's and they do, we are getting the, if you already see troops,

we've been conducting that training for about 15 days. now, we have bring them in the basic on the grids, basic uh for the, uh, uh, normal safety precautions and did our turn link handling with the logos. and they are already since they have the logos. and if you already see it blows their logos in the most and with a little bit of custom introduction, it says the people living in this cam pulls up, but just any contingent has been you have to protect since 2020. now some 2005 hundreds here. is it for the kids or coming that conflict which found up again 2019 with fresh violence between differential codes. i'm groups. so then i've been forced from that homes. and mainly in the camp i'll cap. just use a piece keeper of defaults. minnesota fema, visually. we are very sorry. was that what we're sorry to seem a new sco leave for about, but if you need to see, because we're worried that in security will return in the little they thought of

the safety is up. we fled here, even though the congolese military was in our village and i found quite a lot, so we have no assurance that they will be able to protect us like munos go, did a bundle with dish all the money so drills are leaving. these relates to the chevy for a base, for the no one who is going is living can go because the government ask them to go . so you and you've got schifflet's or these by to more than 20 euro things the country. so you and so deal should be gone from south cable by the end of april and from the rest of the country by the end of the year to come on this let's bring in powell law, jerry dw, correspondence in the democratic republic of congo. hello, paul. i called in to the withdrawal plan monday school will transfer all of its basis to come release of sorry, tease and security forces by how prepared are they to take over? yes, indeed, according to these transition from the which has been approved by companies october to like november,

also bases and overall to community security policies. which means that police will take over mainly in your bank areas and city centrals. why is the company's army corps of pharmacy will be posted in a remote place? these we've, i'm good presents such as me think it while i was. so i don't want to predict anything on whether the communities of the capacity to own those of the protection of those bases and those tvs will leave their we know that communities, i mean, so for us from on but then months and the lack of material about 2 terms of truth on my way back from me. 10 gay i stopped by you. so since you have come on your la wells, the 1st one is go based. west prince fell to the police and let's february what i found is another place. and i'm not going to so, so who knows the area police man inside didn't receive any surprise of food. the seems money is collapsed. it was at least the case a week ago. uh huh. that's a has interesting doesn't sound like uh, a team ready to take over about. well, whenever i know how things go from here, also,

what was interesting from your report is that some people are concerned about their withdrawal of new school. give us a sense of how much supports that is for them with new school withdrawal. yes, you're in use, don't come go. we've got to do so the difference between people living and city centrals, such as grandma, where i stand now. and we might say we as feed him on cheese that you've heard him . yeah. and those are people i've talked to were afraid. the said, well, you don't see as good spoke again, but still still steve was pretty quiet tubs of months though up. nothing need to be present, for instance, a really valued on config is to going on, tends on sales, done. so people to prepare different, different moves. so basically if and when you go tell peter is i really concerned to leave this place even though local authorities, as sure of the many policemen out to, they being trained and they will be able to fulfill the victim. so here's the thing, after more than 20 years of windows go security in the d l. c. knew where i criticized by many, right. what main issues that people have against them as well before monday. cool.

you uh, monday uh, peacekeeping. nissan settled back in 1999. any changes to one east coast diabetes, a showing of the country was uh to the monday, but congress told me to change these updates extra, and of course the blue inmates can protect people, but the conflicts in different are we as well when you school was just kept going and nothing was actually really stabilized. according to people who organize demonstrations. they were fed up to see trends, rules driving because i know needing a lot of money without any seeing any change. this isn't the least what i've been told. right, so people don't go go to us and walk us on to the m 23 and we've been group adults by rhonda rebuilding from as she's elaine 2021 after being defeated in 2013 by the i'm on your school. but this time be to k, to add of the new school. it was this, this was she said that the security council, which decided company is the privy to unfinished certificate, need to ags or withdrawal. so your social security forces on the ground has not

stopped the conflict between especially the m $23.00 rebel group and come the lease forces. this has led to international calls for a diploma. i think solution about how realistic is it'd be through magic solution like i need to do a little introduction because the restaurant or run goodnight is getting worse and worse, hundreds of thousands of people are ref, pulse their homes and know, leaving adp camps around the city. close to a 1000000 people around like 20 displaced within so city which is today surrounded by the n. 23, many forces up and i'm talking about community service mess and i read the following proceedings, and i'm groups will kind of fall together, showing the president decided it decided to, to fight towards on talk study. the only way to a panel discussion today would be positive, run that for the done or tell me to re cognizance to parts of and twenties for fighters. and so it presents upfront that different for us to have income go and then to

a verbal of some of the company's thoughts. but as long as we do wednesday nights, it looks like the situation will be just frozen. clearly a lot still to beat. so it's about power losses daddy w correspondence in the democratic republic of congo. thank you. now east africa, not leads, way in dominance form of the 44 london marathon, raised us so not just one by 2 canyon victories. and then women's tournaments, the reading and, and then big jump to you on a peta step church or so killed victory. well smashing the world's record at time of 2 hours. 16 minutes and 16 seconds, wiping out the woman's only costs records set by kenya's. mary chi tawny in 2017, i think, signed up with diesel when you all made it a kenyan double with his victory in the men's race now trail to jo, town long distance legend and a niece of the canada through the streets of london. only to pull i had in the final kilometers and take the advanced race and church of passe eyes set going on.

the double in paris, take it as i know this, this was not easy. it was wendy. and this, i know the ladies who are strong. so i don't myself, let me wait. yeah. and deal with the last 2 minutes. i'm feeling good. this is the last. it is okay. no tools that makes seem for them. so i was trying to pick a hub. i them, but i know know of the air from i think it's 5 years. yeah. and michael league little id id with you from. do you know useful? it's joins us here in the studio. had a lot of nice to have you here just central taking a world record from another canyon woman, mary. k. tiny. it's like, well record really for them. what's the secrets of the success? opinions, a tradition of math on runners and parents. just you're taking this record,

i mean just plays into the game because she looked up to mug cataneo when she was a teenager and was a, i don't have a mental and i was just thinking the record from my is just continues like right on his hand. in the bunch one over, but also just nothing new to the game. she was told she only begins milestone wrangle and meadow when a new york milestone we are both the mos on we know and she's now turned a bonus. you one i the mos on last year to go this year so it's progress or high and she could be a new 4th. another forced to do an empty games this year. so i was like, all she does is wayne wayne wayne, no matter what, but it's not just that women team went in the men also enjoyed success. tell us more. alexander, i'm when you all can. yeah. defeated, you see will be on good can is i'd be too late. second please. i didn't under math and also uh for one year. how did you get the title to his rich friend kelvin?

keep to the guy who won the amount that's on last year, who unfortunately died in february this year. you know, so it's kenya and kenya again that over and over again. so this is just the legacy of running in kenya is huge on the going into don't even pick. yeah. we were expecting that kelvin. keep to him. was of them a word record holder. yeah. would go come into the see and i really do christians, but he died. yeah. but his legacy lives on, you know, i guess it's fair to say kenya has a well the record holder in have it that's, that's spencer. definitely to put it looking at the success being 12 to enjoyed by team kenya overall. does the olympic games coming up? what can we expect from jim canine? indeed, the advocacy, i think kenya has quality. all of the truck, you know, every new raised as a new name coming up on you've called grades like a gift,

you'll get still in the in line for the olympics. so with jump to, to the defending, jump the on the, in the, in the women's also. so you use the, i think can, yeah, still has it. but there will be if you, if you're on the heels and gun the right you know, and, but he makes a lot of interest in the loop and games as you in paris. yeah. just to be clear. nigeria has no child's any of this. oh no nigeria will be competing only i think in the women's hurdles and the women's them john. uh, but i think we have cuz magic has the waldrook or told any women's audiences if they know friday's the yeah. way in terms of that, they hold onto that upright until team gone out takes, you know, that's where it goes away from you guys. well, this is the noun that my is news. i haven't seen any gotten in run. i was you of that with you. my decision, that's what i say. you expect? i, when they got in and i there in a tilting sports and since i was going to be

a little bunch i'm, i've been very my but here's the jello will at the i do me from dw sports. thank you very much. thank you. and on that last note to me and the program, thanks for watching. see you next time, bye for now the

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