hiring story about survival, science to music in the home. i usually search the tentative canal. well obviously you know, i was super, not his music under the swastika stuff may 25th on d w this week on the 77 percent street debate. we used to be forced to speak english. why we we came from becky ground on speaking. so here we have seen grace and imply, healy, what do you do? you lose? your identity is simply by learning another language. when i speak english church making, it means i have to leave all my coaches behind my family to, to, to, to do not get new phones with my father. hello,

and welcome back to the 77 percent. this week we are in one of my favorites, which is in africa. there is the lump tons of media. now did you know that the over a 100 languages spoken here and yet so he remains a national language. in fact, tons of media until recently was only one or 22 countries in africa to have that. as of today, we are asking why is it that we choose these impose languages when we have so many to choose from who better to assets, then some fellow tons of ideas. and i just want to start to be a general question, rachel. and by the way, i know we're having this conversation in english, which is the entire point of this debate. so just by show of hands, how many of you speak more than 2 languages? at least 2 or more languages? that's almost everyone on the panel who speaks at least 3 languages at least really well at least 4. okay, so let's, let's review that. uh plus mine who is

a student here in terms of india, he's actually from. 5 from gonna so a club. so what languages do you speak? so i speak english now to say you alex s b. i kind of a cheat the analysis, this house that you also see costa. so for language, so how many languages do you speak? 2 languages, which ones are they in english? okay. so is it normal for most hands and he has to be speaking at least more than 2 languages. are guns before it is. it is what i think. yeah. usually the standard 2 is usually the standard, but most often it's one say, okay, so when we think tons of media normally, the 1st thing that comes to mind is just the beauty, but also the use of this. what he language, can you tell me how he became so prevalent in this country? historically? i think it's due to just the history of so he, of the cost has been the place to bring people together persians or hands of the european so. so healy was the only literally the language abroad,

these people together. so you'd have an arrow because the ceramic approaches exposure who can speak to the offers. so they had to form a language that everyone would understand and that's how so he was born, which is i some of the phrases, some words is what he makes. a rabbit corps are kind of like it or at least and so, and so over the years kind of builds up that way. so they've been tribal wise, you would have as a mental language, you'd have some phrases in this drive. also mimicking some phrases. and so obviously it's a concerted efforts not just by the politicians, but also the people of times when you have to speak. so he be right. but obviously this has also brought some challenges villamore because, well, many people just speak to him and then not entirely able to communicate with the rest of the blow, right? yes, for the people it doesn't, it is. so he from the background, from the original smartphone, people who are like you maybe went to school with idea i got to be needed to learn english regardless. okay. so talk to me

a little bit about how it is in terms of mia every, let me speak to you because you're a teach at a private school. the language of instruction is ideally supposed to be useful. healy until you gets to, to secondary school. am i right? i see that 2 options in the private sector. that is where english is mostly spoken as the medium of communication waiting. the government's supposed to have is mostly spoken as the medium of communication. so that gives a chance for most of them to keep reading the language and gets used to eat and they grow with each. but when they reach 70, when they get they get to secondary. suppose that is when they sense using one language and that's his english as the meat of communication isn't this difficult though? i mean to have that super high transition support. tell me about the experience. it's really difficult because know when a child is speaking my, the mother language is so human and then there you, you, you being to use another language english. it's really hard for students with with 2 languages. yeah. so it really has, right. so i'd like to ask the question to someone who has a ph. d, or is doing

a pc is like really? yeah, it's an adult, something we have language is honestly along with the locals, along with the swahili language and the kinds of language. and do we have lots of lenny and lots of language as much as much as we can? but when it comes to the language of instruction, for my opinion, i think we should instructed what to do. she was ditch a student who you're using the language which they know and before my side doesn't . yeah. i think it's a bit just white white sway to because it's known if the student loan to the to, to it's not up to just one second sir, available. so ditching using and the kind of language it's me is uses pop, those who lose a lot of energy. and i'm telling you to read and look just to the dual fame. and i've done and given to just been not most of the, just of all of you know, coming to because you're raising your hands there. also, like i said, over a 100 languages spoken in this country. so what's the place of those quote unquote

mother tongue? actually that the mother things uh, basically how do you use the tribes. okay. and therefore it's likely happens to be the mainland with business looking into expensive. and for that reason, each nights us it brings us to give us those areas and that these weights, he's widely spoken in, in this country. yeah, i also wanted to speak about this and see should move from the time able to stick with that isn't usually there's some, had she during the 1st 2 years because the kid or the people has to try to transform. he will have so language, but it must be a so that they can pop up with the education and oh, that's okay. but the sub to years, they usually on the same level because the set speaking on at even control. and so they need the kitchen vision on the english language. okay. maria, i work in publishing. so we see a lot of people who are non degree days. so you have someone who's graduated from college who really reads per year. and, and this is almost always, that should be due to the fact that they only have to learn english in um, in,

in secondary or they only have had to learn. so he's in maybe only primary and then they have to abandon it. so by the way, before we get to fly, i just want to tell our audience that there's been numerous studies that have been done. we support the fact that early childhood learning is actually better if done in a medium of instruction that the child understands. let me hear from you as most of these on countries and these people are trying to get into that activity based on the why that's language become very so you know that going for. so that's that action. we mean 1st, lynn extra language. i say english language size, if someone came for me being that idea now, so that's what the reason is. bodies in fact, as with any doctors location. so during that, this is a really interesting point. she's brought up which is where the hierarchy of language is, right. so he said that when it comes to business of home speaking to your people, help on a pallet you use this way. but when it comes to business, english is the preferred language. why? and so he's also an official language in most cases we are bundling language before

he when switching for job searching for the, for the opportunities you must know is, is uh you also speak to. so he has such a national language, but it does, it actually helps you to move to the higher levels when he was searching for different opportunities and the sway as my m. c. d, a. when we moved from the frame, i live a, we do a bundle in our long. okay, so we're talking about a bundling the language and yes, the people who i think top dollar to learn the language. lillian, here is from zimbabwe and she's doing how must of him. so he, so what got you thinking? this is the language i want to use, even as the terms of me as themselves, say, perhaps it's not the best language should be learning at the moment. well say for me i, i, i saw that you sway healy is getting over to me for my own kind of thing. let me just say that i'm the solicit. these like

a tiny bit as well. okay, congratulations. yeah. so i assume that this language is free to give me explain to me for like now but was, was setting to then it's use this to me specially to this is being forced to them to. so he is one feeling with this is feeling, assessing that well they didn't tell you need their time easier teaching the gym as you have teaching. what would that go for those language as well? so you don't have anyone who's speaking now which say just to go for keith, why he left is also a 15 language up. that's an interesting what you've used, forced to learn. so he did you think that we are hosting of the africans to use the national, the native languages, the, the african languages. so healy has always been new, will actually go, you know, it links people together. i think what's happening right now, even with the say being the, the do you know me language is

a you and in the ac is that we understand that it links people has more than a language as a culture. so being african people really page 2. so the healey speaker is because you relate to the culture in itself. well, just the language. yeah. so, but mario, we really being honest with ourselves. yeah. if i'm to speak, want us to be as a can kind of really want to make fun of terms of me is because of your proficiency of, of what you leave. i mean of english, we internalize the self hate so that we judge people based on their ability to just be a board language. let me have some thoughts before i oh yeah, yeah, go ahead. i wanted to say instance then, you know, when you speak english, it's when people look at you like you, i intelligence and only speak. so he, oh, when you can speak english, there was look at you like doing or how isn't doing an english fully show for this like you're for because you don't know english. so it's, it's, it's really, i don't really get it was these we take speaking english as a,

as the intelligence. well, why it's, it's the language. everybody can just you then, can you come in any language? it can be what i see, it doesn't, doesn't really matter. yeah, yeah, really. yeah, it was it just to, to results on the highlight your language actually, but with kind of the change we actually have writers or standards. we have english and then we have showing that they haven't get ready. so now like english is being until white because it's the medium of some decent make for the whole country. we don't have like additional language, which is our own language. we only use english assembly, you know, communication, safety, missing someone from another ethnic group. and you said this is can speak english to kind of slow yeah. kind of schooling. so we actually have such pay like this, but me a 2nd to just come to evelyn, i've read that teaches a sometimes horrible to students who don't speak. so he who employs c a and shame as a tool to try and encourage them to learn is this true to, as you see,

what happens is, as my friend saves you, that's english is being termed as they say, the means of intelligence. you see and not speaking english, you seem like you're, you're, i'm useful. ok. and that's, that's becomes a very big for me in this kind of just moving as okay. and my advice to the government, they think since they decided to have these 2 sections that we have, they have the schools and private schools. i think we should also continue events on the simpler level. because that will give an option to of a to set it with the site, the language to keep on using it. and perhaps that will do it better. yeah. for i shall i still you really shaking your head when i asked about this shame question. uh oh, good, did you have an experience in secondary i remember when what school there was a room to speak english and if you don't speak english for the day, the punishments and everything. so normal punishment like, you know, the local,

you know, 650 a couple of stick to get a couple of 6, you know, punishments in there. so we had really to, to call using english, try not to speak. so he was at or wow, well, day from morning to evening, maybe later on in the morning and there the dummy free. that's why he was sick. so he a little. yeah. but i mean, this must not be good psychologically for anyone who's trying to learn the language . right. let me hear from you. see, we used to be forced to speak english. yeah. why we we can from becky ground of speaking. so here we have seen raised and in, so i healy, so you reach in secondary school and find yourself that you have to speak. you will really need to speak english as your best language. so we're getting confusion at the end of the day. you know, because the teachers, they, they, they, they, they the, the, the school and they haven't explain why, what,

what are the importance of a student to speak these uh english. but they will see you at the end of the day, you have to speak english for monday to do it evening. then you find yourself, you are hungry, you are here and you are ending up hating these things school english. so i really like what you said about it even makes you, you know, sort of don't want to learn english in it to a certain degree. yeah. but when we draw so healey, as you say, or when we don't see it as valuable, what do we lose as a society? when you don't seeing swahili or if you don't write in swahili, what do we lose? of the culture lose our stories growing up. we as you know, tons, onions, historically we being started have been passed down to us by your oral traditions or like we have grandfather's grandmother's telling us stories. and so he but then

you have someone who now has to abandon home to go to school where they're no longer being told go stories or he no longer reading. it is really the no longer right jesus or he, you, you, you lose your identity. i was actually think all these discussions going on. there's a sort of like a culture erasure that's happening where people forget who they are. so you, you find yourself unable. i'm actually the victim of that unable to, to relate and connect with your own language. so that loss of identity comes across as you recall it sophisticated because you learn english, you able to communicate internationally, but really is a loss of self and in the identity of who you as a person and really should say to really be seen cause. so someone said here when we use them, most students who are not really assessing very good because of numbers area and then we don't get a lot of people that sell professional in many areas like in industries i know in

the movie and us and everything. so we were, you find that we have to get another people to come over to do our stories, to rachel books, you know, to make our film to do everything for us this way. she said, we are losing our own stories like who are raising so if you can speak for yourself and because you don't have a long which is on. so let me have some, you mean the liquid b a c, h with me, leaving your language of friends and we need someone to make sure when we see that they can, i think we make to courts or things retain late right now. for example, the bullet, the, you know, mary, the diary yes, yes. to do that. and the bearing of the dates, those are the 2 courts or things which i know regional. but a lot of the things we were, they were doing big things like it for us. okay. we don't to anything about that, but do you, do you lose your identity?

is simply by learning another language or is it because because i mean, i speak multiple languages, right? i have not stuck to being equally or kenya and or an african. well, the problem is that when you live along which, you know, sites, it's like the people who the language like with the problem comes. so when i speak english, i try to just like an english person, you know, 18, they can visit. this means i have to leave all my coaches behind and it's like the ones i'm learning about, right? so let me ask last month when, when he started learning, what can you do find yourself making decisions that were different from say, perhaps if you're speaking a lot less, by the way, when you dream, what language do you dreaming? i think i seems right now and even speaking that kind of how side kind of looks like. mm hm. yeah. let me, i story and i have because when i'm looking at the 1st industrial revolution,

everybody using the digital space as what he is saying, he will get presented. but not enough, right? are we losing out on perhaps making leap and bones that's active because we just look speaking the language is uh, we need to localize the tools. we need to localize the content so that they can be accessing swahili language. i mean this way we to be able to save a lot of age and to make sure that the next generation comes in plain language. i would say that's remaining isaac bottles picking our local language. we just make technology for us because they normally get the money market for sticking a movie at the patient. they're using it with the site. and doesn't young's alliston that along with the slain and that was made maybe for business by us they, we guess transformed those technologies meets all along with the months. so the fact that that comes for me from an active language,

we have been forced to add that technology rather than take longer. this one that i totally get 2 points and be 200 millions because of so a healy on the continents. surely it should be adopted. yeah, i a so, so i totally get your point. so back to you creating in your mother's tongue. it's like you, you, how does that compare to when you perhaps seeing right in india, she's an artist by the way, as far as her. so it's really easy when you, when you seem, or when you producing or when you're acting in your mother language. because you're being yourself, you're, you're being, you're living under your own scan messing now. so find out what i mean by you, and we're not going to when i talk with you to him, we by and cannot go to the volume, but he will fly before i can get is that a focus or heating? so if you'll give me your name, but because reading is still fun, you that he's the budget is the owner. enjoy the music like, you know, people can get on the so many i know for the oh that's, i'm gonna save you. what? uh, you're the one you, i'm good you can still find, i don't know like hey,

how are you gonna test is or what do you need like you to sign you up and we buy, you can we use that you to an access or are seeing now you find it, wow. raffle. i like that. so we need to the piece of the language just because it helps us tell us stories one point going and a big by using the good thing for us. yeah, that's what got those the so slow you think we're not free as a people because we speak these lower languages? no, i'm aware about the survey you can see, but when i took a week for what is the advice so i'm looking for using english. i'm looking for the most to me i can do much, elizabeth fairly well, you know, look as a body slot, a early to your to, to do not get new phones. the la you, if i just wonder what will go noise, how by the new is i've you'll change it is i just you fight on. so could you not to your fun you phones or bother? you have both chevy from the user?

the well, no. where's the to a, marty for you? for the 12 on your phone? i have got the model of your to example. could you look it up like when i'm ready for the us? i have to walk tomatti. what was about we have you good as possible. you can use a double. yeah. well you have to but you modify law, continue the hobbies. so why do you when you have both c o one, you'll get low. wonderful. just wasn't working. what your rough? why didn't well physics, what do you want me? i just want to do what i want to for force because i can go, there is no good news you for. what do you, what you don't those are the don't. did you go? did you lose hope you're doing like watching the eclipse done to rest? so finding it there must be multiple jobs i using the younger couple of them. i really, really loved the passion that you're speaking here about. but i think we need some practical steps. yeah, i think, you know, they do well with all the speaking of them. other times, perhaps a lingua franca,

which is an applicant language and then english, but that's not the reality today. so how do we shift this thinking? how do we get more people interested in applicant languages? more people speaking them writing and then seeing them doing debates in them. let's have some ideas. so i think uh, on my side i'll do more localized things. uh, do you to tools and did you get to contents into our language into so he and this is the very best way to present this language. it is the very best way for people to live in the digital spaces. okay. you had another point for me, which will be outside corner of the language we have at the best and whatever we are doing as me then said that we should emphasize using all along. so from there, when we transform them that on we move them valerie to natalie to nod track visions to the kansas. so typically we are doing, we do it through the face of our okay. i like that somebody does. yeah. let's hear from you. other bye for the one i see a honda comes, what are you thinking of as

a he will not only lose he's a he but you also losing out and that's his language is for now we have a native language is he does any of that dying for example, come the language lots, most of us know the kind of language it is from the eastern bunch of people in africa, the 1st language to be spoken. and he, so he does spoken by 15 countries and not only the east africa, but also in the western africa and the central africa, the some countries speaking. so he and we have to for once the, he, i to a level that all of the african countries have to speak. so i mean, i keep defies to them which to be spoken to 8, i forgot south africa yet teaching. so healy is, well yeah. they recently adopted the to them let me hear from you final final thoughts. how do we preserve this language? these language is okay. so i think these 3, okay, got them in the kitchen, constituents and technological conference that should work together. government should make the realities in making us well healey as the main language, but also accessibility to pretend it is. but also the technology company that should have the different access in producing the device or products like apps that

you'd have. also put the as late as a pot of many windows up well, so we have a lot of the free created this. what he does on it. they have a d s o, maybe the design sorted. but we have to preserve those with within those ideas because you have to be in english, even the inefficient challenge. and so the definition of challenge they named is still going to move it, but they don't know how to use that to manage it. so the government to be guessing position integral you composition up to get. i'm from watching oscar longer to let me get the last 2 points. these one from you and marian will finish with you agree that a good from lots of, of healing. let us draw up the ideas that when you speak english, you'd be looking like to intelligence and weltman everything. let us send that out to you. so i really like you. so i you to get up to speed to see us. why healey miller africa. let's as use it to welcome be sure,

what's the speech our children that the, the child a community so that we can promote a multi swahili look on j. thank you so ok, so maria, somebody's in the in addition to everything, as those just said, i think another thing we need to do is also change online. so it's on watch. we su would be a quote unquote commercial, because i think that's when the world, if you give the world permission to show you that you're not cortical commercial, the world do show you that. if we are adamant to make contents, to create books to, to present our stories in the language that preserves who we are as a people, the world who make room for that, we just need to do it for us. so all of us have the collective responsibility to promote that language. is that still the most religious to us? and also we have the we, we, the world who make room for that. if we do it, i like that. i think that's a great place to wrap this debate. we started with the simple question,

how do we change this narrative? i think you've given us a really good answer because preserving language is, is preserving our selves who we are as ask because essentially simon says, i'm the, [000:00:00;00]

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