one of the deputy attorneys says, thank you for not giving up, thank you for pushing. i said, how could i, that was my little girl. >> brad farrington was sentenced to life, no parole for at least 30 years. cassy has been a memory now. so, her parents remember and walk through their pain by remembering the good in her life. the kids live with brad's family now. and when we last spoke to chuck and darlene, there one hope was to see their grandchildren again.>> they don't allow us to see or talk to them. >> what would you want to say to them if you could? >> that we love them. that their mom loved them unconditionally. that is all for this edition of "dateline." i'm andrea canning, thanks for watching. watching. good morning and welcome to this saturday edition of "morning joe" weekend . it was

a really busy week. let's get right to the conversations you might have missed. you were obviously white house spokesperson. this is an issue that is going to follow joe biden around in this campaign. this campaign. especially because donald trump, or the people that want donald trump to win will continue to make this an issue. what should the biden administration do? i know you are uncomfortable doing this, telling people-- i was about to ask you, what should president biden do? inquiring minds want to know. any thoughts on just the white house, democrats generally when asked about this? >> look, i think there is a couple of issues at play here, clearly one is, what is going on at colleges and universities. these are not monolithic

protests across the country and they are not even monolithic at individual campuses. so yes, we need to get to a point where students are graduating and there is maybe some relief during the summer. what are they figuring out over the next couple of months about campuses and universities are supposed to be places where people can safely, comfortably debate and disagree, and there have been major failures on that front. i would say, if you are in the biden administration right now, you, certainly the department of publication, and many others have that question. you also are thinking about what we have some control over. i don't know if control is the right word. how do we bring an end-- how do we bring to a cease-fire what is happening in the middle east ? sometimes, and reverend sharpton was making this point this morning, which i think is important. we lose sight of what this is actually about and what we are actually talking about here, that is what is happening on the ground. some of these students are

protesting that. some of them may not know what they are protesting. that is something we should discuss as well. if you're in the biden administration, you are thinking about antony blinken on the ground, what can we do to move these hostages back to mark the last thing i would say, if you are in the biden administration, you are also thinking about, where are the models that are perfect? no solution is imperfect, let's be clear. northwestern, brown university, there are a couple of places where the students have said, specifics, and this is key, divestment from israel. you can decide as a university, you don't want to do that. let's discuss what they want and figure out if there is a formal to do that to put an end to this. if you are there, you are looking at where the models are as they are looking to head to the fall, and things continue to explode if there is not a better approach from colleges and universities. >> you are so right, having these debates on campus is also

important to have, respecting free speech, at the same time, affecting students' ability to learn, to study me to move across the campus, to graduate in peace. so, how do we do this to mark the universities need to reeducate, i think, themselves on how to encourage respectful debate between different sides. even on the difficult issues like this. you know, kamala harris was talking about women's rights yesterday. she was talking about healthcare. talking about a six week ban that has gone into place in florida. and that is so important, so pressing, as is gaza. how does the biden administration moved through this issue, address it, and

then focus on healthcare for women, freedom for women, and all americans? >> i think she's absolutely correct and we can see how the administration is planning to move through this by what they're actually doing. the vice president has kept up, as has been president, and schedule. she launched an economic opportunity tore it atlanta on monday with a focus on black and brown communities. she was literally in florida just yesterday. i think i saw something before i came on that said, she's going to michigan monday. the president has been traveling. they are doing the work, right? this is in fact what is dominating the news coverage. i too want to bold and underline what reverend sharpton said. i thought earlier this week, one of the protesters at columbia at a press conference and much was made about them asking for food, saying they

need humanitarian aid, i was like, we've got too far. the meal plan. >> i want to be a revolutionary with a meal plan. >> i was like, we are getting lost here. at the press conference, i did not see or hear if the protesters asked any questions about developments that have happened this week in the hostage negotiation deal, where it seems as though hamas potentially looks ready to accept what is on the table. israel is closer now than ever to normalizations with saudi arabia because of the work that joe biden and his administration , secretary blinken, the vice president, cia director have been doing. so, yes, what is happening on the campuses, the images are harrowing, there is a real conversation i think to be had about how we foster spaces, even in-- especially in our higher education institutions to have this debate, i think there is a conversation to be had about administrators making decisions out of fear, not thinking, taking a beat at a step and some folks waiting too

long, letting things get out of hand. let's be very clear here that there are developments happening and i frankly believe that many of the young people of these college campuses, they do want to see a resolution in gaza. they would like to see a cease- fire. they would like to see the hostages come home and i think we need to talk more about what is actually happening at ask those questions and not get caught up in the imagery. lastly, i would note, it feels like this is every young person here to be your-- clear, we are talking about college students and gen z. i am a millennial here there is a race to young people in this country. the protests are not monolithic, the thoughts are not monolithic across the board, whether they are talking gen z or millennials. at the end of the day, i think we can all agree that what happened on october 7th was a horrific attack on israeli people.

the route that particularly benjamin netanyahu has taken, is to punish all people for the acts. i don't think anyone across the country agrees that children in gaza should be followed, discriminated against, and families and homes because of acts of a terrorist organization. that is what is happening in cairo and negotiations is vertical and key. that, i think, is the key to releasing a little bit of the valve. lastly, the administration, i believe, or the campaign, pick one. i am interested in what pulmonary ask about this. i think they need to put the president in a position and spaces so he can talk about this himself. he is intimately involved in negotiations. joe biden has no problem telling you what he believes. we have all experienced this. he is very clear about what he thinks and believes. i believe there is in fact a disconnect between what people think joe biden is saying and doing, what they think and what is actually happening. >> you look at news coverage. i talked to the ""wall street

journal"" before, the editorial page, we quote it here all the time. you read about what joe biden has been doing with some of the guest editorial writers there, what the new york post is writing, and what others are saying, it is widely wildly offbeat that joe biden does not stand at the anti-semitism, joe biden is disengaged, it is just a lie. the guy has been obsessed about this since october 7th, obsessed. he, antony blinken, bill burns, as you said, we can go down the list, check sullivan, they have been working around the clock, shuttering diplomacy from cairo, you name it. they have gone everywhere. they still have, because of that work, the saudis engaged, jordan engaged, the immoralities

engaged, still saying, we are here, we will help with peace. we will help in gaza after this is over, and that is happening, because they are engaged. i will say, on these protests, that monolithic. and people hear us talking and think we are painting with a broad brush. no, there are students there, as the chief said, a third of students at columbia were arrested. we are not students, we are agitators. there are also some young students that are palestinian, who have had family members killed through the years, not just here, or the years who have felt repression felt, just like the kids from israel, who knew people slaughtered on october 7th. this is really complicated. as you said earlier, it is all

sort of blown apart when people start breaking the law, they start destroying property, instead of debating the issues of, how do we get to peace, how do we get to a two state solution? >> real activism is, what is your goal to mark what are you trying to accomplish? absolute discriminate, some of which have been members of the action network, and come and talk to me. i salute them and they want to see this resolved. in the middle of what is going on in cairo with the negotiations, you don't want the story to be you broke windows at a wall at hamilton. you do want to bring the attention, which the students i think very wisely did at columbia, were doing what they did in terms of protests at ucla, at all. once you get to violence, then the story shifts. i think that is what some of us say, wait a minute, all of these outside forces trying to manipulate this a different way because

now you are not talking about trying to help the children in gaza and benefit people now you are talking about something else. i was listening carefully with what said and what symone said, the politics on this are different because you are now impacting the national elections . but when they predict, mika, there will be problems in chicago for the democratic national convention, problems in ucla. this is not big daily that is the mayor of chicago, it is a black man named brandon johnson. you are going to impact the fact that there is a right when there that would love to see problems bringing him out, or problems in l.a. . there are different problems we need to understand soberly. the other last point i want to make that bothers me is donald trump with and did two rallies. i did not see any pro- palestinian marches there and he is more anti-palestinian state that anybody in this race

. but trump is getting a pass, and is he aiding this while talking about bringing black rappers to madison square garden? let's keep our eye on the prize of who the real enemy of both the israelis and palestinians, in terms of a two state solution is. >> let's keep our eyes open. the point you make about how this can impact election, and the point you have been making. we have lots more to get to this hour. "morning joe" weekends continues after a short break. . n that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it's time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer.

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welcome back to "morning joe" weekend. lets things -- pick things back up to the conversation we were having before the break. >> i want to know to the interview donald trump did with "time magazine." president biden calls this a

mandatory read. this is why. this is how the reporter described his takeaways from his discussions with trump. quote, what emerged in two interviews with trump and conversations with more than a dozen of his oldest advisors and confidence where the outlines of an imperial presidency that would reshape america and its role in the world. to carry out a deportation operation designed to remove more than 11 million people from the country, trump told me, he would be willing to build migrant detention camps and deploy the u.s. military, both at the border and inland. he would let red states monitor women's pregnancies and prosecute those who violate abortion bans. he would-- >> monitor women's pregnancies? >> yeah, think about that. he would, at his personal discretion, withhold funds appropriated by congress, according to top advisors. he

would be willing to fire a u.s. attorney who does not carry out his order to prosecute someone, breaking with a tradition of independent law enforcement that dates from americans founding. he is weighing pardons for every one of his supporters accused of attacking the u.s. capitol-- >> people who beat up police officers. >> criminals. on january 6, 2021, more than 800 of whom have pleaded guilty or been convicted by a jury. he might not come to the aid of an attacked ally in europe or asia if he felt that country was not paying enough for its own defense. he would cut the u.s. civil service, deplored the national guard to u.s. cities as he sees fit, close the white house pandemic preparedness office, and staff his administration with allies-- acolytes who back his full assertion that the

2020 election was stolen. >> jamal murray? >> that summarizes what the stakes of this election are. >> more worthless, more efficient, more cruel. he understands what he did not before about he said, he would not be as nice this time around, he would fire people right away if they weren't implementing what he wanted to do. and in florida, the abortion ban takes effect, he then goes to michigan and says, talks about how it took a great deal of wisdom for the supreme court justices, caught them out by name, a great deal of wisdom to overturn roe v wade, even though he tries to make it appear as if he has some different view about abortion now. and he talks about how people are very happy that roe v. wade got overturned. imagine what will happen in florida now , as doctors and women try to navigate a six-week abortion

ban. >> summarized the stakes of the election. >> is it possible? we don't even have the time. for me now, we have been talking about project 2025. the trump campaign folks have been giving it a long arm, sniffing back and saying, we have our own stuff we are working on. project 2025 is actually not with the trump policies will or will be, these folks have said that. what donald trump said in the "time magazine" interview and on the campaign trail is exactly the 2025 playbook. what one of the pillars is about a personnel database where folks can literally make their own profile so that the trump folks can go through and take a look at who they are in the people advising the 2025 project. the other pillar is a presidential administration academy. after they deem you are one of

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that live like berman within the confines of our country, that lie and steal, and cheat on elections. if outside forces is part life threatening and grave that the threat within. >> some of the extreme rhetoric being spewed by donald trump on the campaign trail. those remarks in new hampshire last year also featured his mocking response to the attempted murder of nancy pelosi's husband. joining us now is charles homan, a reporter for the "new york times" and "the times magazine." his new article entitled, quote, donald trump has never sounded like this. charles, you write in part a little about the transformation, you write, trump's critics were right in 2016 to observe the grim novelty of his politics. their ideologically of national

pessimism, their open demography, and clear affinities with the far right, their blunt division of the country between us and them, in a way that no major party's presidential nominee had dared for decades. but trump's great accomplishment, one that was less visible from a distance, but immediately apparent at his rallies was the us that he conjured their here at the way his supporters saw, not only him, but one another and saw in themselves a movement. that is is still there in trump's 2024 speeches, but it is not really the main character anymore. these speeches and the events that surround them are about them and what they have done to him, trump, and what trump intends to do in return. i've seen that. it is fascinating. do you think trump's supporters understand the transformation that has

taken place and can you tell us more about it? >> i think that is an interesting take. i think when you are at the rallies, there is a sense of community there. i think sometimes, people are not fully processing how much that is sort of built on the creation of that side of the rally, as trump does not-- describes it. at this point, he considers his enemies the opposition. >> do you see any change in terms of how his supporters outside of the rallies are reacting to this? when i go to trump rallies, you are so right about sense of community, that this is, i think a big part of what draws people in. they like the playlist. they like the tailgating that happens before hand. honestly, i'm not even sure sometimes he needs to be there. it is the community that is created there.

are you seeing it in reaction to crowds, at the rallies that they liked the harsher language? and what do we think is happening outside the rallies? >> i think you want to distinguish between the rallies themselves and republican voters more broadly. if you go to the rallies, the atmosphere is pretty similar, if anything mellower, sort of routine ice in a way that it was not a couple of years ago, which is really interesting to me. i think there are people that pick and choose what they believe he is serious about and what is not serious about. i was surprised talking to republicans mostly in iowa ahead of the caucuses, and people who were not at the rallies the people who were very dedicated trump supporters, i was surprised by people who express real misgivings over what he was saying on the campaign trail and we heard a little at the top of the segment. i do think-- i suspect that is a factor in why his rhetoric

has shifted a little since earlier this year. i did hear for the first time really from people saying, i support this guy, i like everything he says, but i am worried about what happens if he gets reelected. >> we all remember the 2015, 2016 debates about whether or not we take trump literally should we take him at his word, i think the years have indicated that we should, at least most of the time. this is a darker rhetoric, as charles's piece points out. do we think it is one thing for how it plays in the room at a trump rally, entirely another matter for how it plays with the independent, swing voters who decide the battleground state? what is your sense of the impact of this newer, darker trump? >> i don't know, except i think the main impact is, we need to take him literally and seriously. i think it is very clear what he would do with a trump 2.0

presidency, and the fact that he would have an infrastructure around him that would enable him to do this. a second trump presidency is fundamentally different than the first one because he knows where the buttons are right now. this is a point voters need to understand. if they think this will be a replay of the first trump presidency, which was chaotic enough, that would be a huge mistake. this is the task, of course, in 2024, is to actually try to very thoroughly imagine and describe what donald trump's vision for the country really is, what a presidency based on vengeance and retribution really looks like. because i think what you are going to see is that trump goes out to these rallies and he stokes the anger. he stokes the sense of victimization. how does that play out during the election? either way, if he loses, where does that anger go?

he will not ever concede. if he wins and creates an administration based on that, what does that mean for the country? i think that is the kind of thing we need is a country to get our heads around, and certainly, the swing state voters need to.>> the new piece is online. thank you so much for coming on the show this morning. we appreciate it. next, inside the new podcast from our good friend and former trump white house communications director for a second. we will be right back. back. hmm. you may be a legend on the court but you're an amateur up here. so get allstate... save money and be protected from mayhem... ...like me. if you have chronic kidney disease you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you'd like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections,

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i predict that october 7th was a seminal day. if we go back in history, let's say 25 years from now, we look back and say, oh wow, october 7 was a seminal moment. it pushed the envelope. it pushed the pendulum back to something more normal than the allowance of this level of radicalism on a campus, because the administrators want that money guy. >> that was the clip from the new podcast, the rest is politics, u.s. hosted by category, along with former white house communications director anthony scaramucci. their first episode released last week, focuses on the protests on college campuses, and trump on trial. anthony joins us now.

he is also pounding partner of managing sky bridge capital. i like the, a lot. >> confession, this is actually the first time we have met in- person, or the set of "morning joe" it happens. >> the beauty of zoom . >> so, i did a pod with anthony around my book. i was so impressed that he actually read the book and had smart questions. >> i loved the book. i actually gave the book to my daughter, told her to read it and just think about it, because you explain some of the great things in the book about not overreacting in certain situations and holding yourself together. >> so, you learn a lot, then? >> no, that is why i want television, mika. if i had read and followed her book-- [ laughter ] >> i love it. tell us, not only

about the first episode, but what do you guys plan to do with this? >> let's have katty answer that. she's a better newsreader than me, i still can't read the teleprompter. [ laughter ]>> there is clearly a market for-- for the rest of the world, trump's america, they think they get it, and they don't. i've always tried to explain what is happening here but not just in terms of the horse race but broader political and social issues of the world is fascinated by what is going on in this country at the moment. it was a great opportunity to do that. for american artists-- audiences, it gives them an outsider and insider take on what is going on. >> i want to point out to our producer, the world is fascinated by what is going on here in the u.s. i am quoting you, watching with baited breath. >> aldo, just whenever i ask

the question, what is our standing in the world, i get an eye roll. i do. >> so what is great about this, you said, inside, outside. you of course where the press secretary for donald trump. >> who is 954,000 seconds. i sometimes say that to my therapist, that makes it feel like it was longer for me. >> whatever makes you feel that way. given the short duration, how many of her seconds it was, you do know the guy at understand the guy. >> i was on the campaign, work for him on the campaign, new hill prior to that. >> and still after a decade, that fixes a lot of people who say, gosh, this seems so clear to me when you put them side-by- side, read the time magazine interview and say, you want to put that guy back in the white house, and a lot of people in this country still do. >> i don't think that, actually. i think the opposite. i think

they don't necessarily want to put him back in the white house. i think they have got two choices and there is a lot of people thinking, maybe we will go back to donald trump because of things going on in society right now. you brought up the clip from the podcast. those protests help donald trump. they helped richard nixon in the 1970s, and they are helping donald trump right now, whether you like it or not. my point about october 7th is, maybe we need to get back to the middle. there is a right and wrong, and a coral above us. i am all for free speech of appropriate protests on a college campus, but raking and entering buildings, bringing in people that don't even belong in a college campus setting, quote, unquote anarchy is wrong. anti-semitism rolled. call it out now. >> that is exactly why donald trump has a pretty good chance of being elected president. >> i think willie's point is

that they are going to choose him. in their minds, when i talk to people about trump, it is a lesser of two evils, imagine that. i look at them and say, you do not work for him. you did not sit at a table like this with him. you did not see the lack of curiosity, you did not see the hostility towards people. you did not see because that mendacity. the washington post reported 30,950 lies in four years. we thought we had some steam going when he had 500 lies in the first 100 days. he wrapped it up from there. >> for some people, it does not matter. that is the problem. returning back to right and wrong, rule of law and all of those things, it would help if republicans on capitol hill, some of them on the house side would actually recognize that what happened january 6 was just as bad as what we are see, vandalism across the country, or even on a college campus.

>> speaking of right or wrong, anthony, we are seeing trump in court. he is stuck, powerless, he can't speak. he complains about the air- conditioning, seems to fall asleep with reckless abandonment. as someone who knows he'll come how heartless this be for him? so what seemingly always in control, can say whatever he wants, suddenly he can't. what kind of toll is this taking? >> i think it is taking a toll. what i am surprised about is the lack of it investigation around what is going on with him and his family. eric trump showed up yesterday, know what is in the court. family members have said, they will not work for him back in the white house. katty what is absent. this plays a bigger toll on him, as you can imagine. whether you like or don't like

him, he worked with his family what real estate, or the apprentice, he brought his family into the white house, they are not there with him. i think that is something that bothers him more than anyone is letting on. >> what is the choice, the thinking behind the choice after vying for so much else? >> he is on trial for a hush money case, paying a prostitute while his wife was pregnant. that is probably the the reason he is not there. let me put it as simply as that. one thing he is good at is that he knows how to coax things over. he knows how to repeat a lie repeatedly to the point where people say, it can't be that bad. january 6th can't really be that bad. donald trump says, it is not that bad and he has got accomplices, usually in congress also saying the same thing, even though on that day, they were running for their lives. >> you see why this is a good

idea? >> yeah, and it is going to go. >> you can listen to new episodes of "the rest is politics us," every friday wherever you get your podcast. white house director anthony scaramucci, take you for coming on. congratulations. >> a pleasure to meet you, by the way. >> how big is he? >> at a mets game in the parking lot, he has got his own parking lot. >> how big i am, i am sitting on a phonebook right now to be level with the camera, that is how big i am really. [ laughter ] you want to use my sweet, give me dates and if it is not taken, you can have it and you can park in the mooch parking lot, the mooch parking spot. >> this is why i chose him, really.>> it is cute when you see it, though, right? >> do you drive a smart car?

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yesterday. i said, you are going to cut your hair, you should have seen it yesterday. >> that was a first look at the beatles' press conference on american soil in february of 1964, during their immediate-- meteoric rise, every move was documented by the press. now, thanks to a new museum exhibit some of the public can relive those early days of the beatles through the lens of one of its own members. paul mccartney photographs 1963, 64 eyes of the store opens at the brooklyn museum this friday, and was co-curated by sir paul himself. it includes 250 photographs taken by the music legend from the 12 week stretch in late 1963, and early 1964, when beatlemania first took the world by storm. >> let's bring it right now the exhibit's co-curator, sarah brown, also photographic curator of mccartney productions limited.

it is beyond cool, sarah. and what is so cool is, one of the many things cool about it is that sir paul thought these pictures were lost, as he said in a quote, it was the 60s. doors were left open, fans came in and out, who would have guessed. my god, what a historical goldmine. talk about finding these pictures at the peak of beatlemania. >> absolutely. paul was very presently surprised that they were all so still in great condition and there was around 1000 photographs from this three- month period that you mentioned . he worked really closely with myself and the national portrait gallery in london to narrow down what pictures, 250, that you can see on show at the britton museum. >> and what is so extraordinary about these photos that were found, it really was at the

explosion of beatlemania, 1963, 1964, coming to america, and he talks about it being like a roller coaster ride, you are getting at the top, waiting for it to crash down. there is this amazing picture he took and i can't believe it, it is on west 58th and 6 street of everybody chasing the car. he took a picture of it and captured it there. it is just a classic photo. >> absolutely. it sums up that journey for them, that moment in time and paul talks about how moments like this make him feel like he was a movie star in a film, and they could not believe it. he said, this is what their years of hard work had been building up to, and the reason he took pictures is because he was so in awe and surprised by what was going on and he needed

to capture that moment to remember it. the reason that the photographs stopped after 1964, because as we know, that bad with bigger and bigger and up and up, and he did not have time to take more pictures. this is a special treasure trove of a three-month period in history that changed music, popular culture forever. >> forever changed everything. the world created youth culture. there is a picture of the beatles landing at an airport. and i look and i am like, i never saw women in bikinis at jfk. and then i realized, it was miami! which was like a summer holiday for these young guys to get down to miami. talk about this, the miami trip as it plays into this exhibit. >> by the time you get to miami

and this exhibit, they have been on the road since 1963 and have barely had days off. this is when they are going to perform on "the ed sullivan show." their first performance broke records and had 73 million people watching. people watched that and integrate them in miami. not only do we have beauty queens wearing beatles banners, their somewhat dressed like a queen holding a chimpanzee. he took that picture, not knowing that and it was not until we were working on the exhibition in the book, we blew up the image that we thought that not only had all of these people greeted him, a chimpanzee had as well, which sums up the front of the 60s and what they were experiencing. >> and you know, it is really-- also about this miami trip, it is almost like a scene in "the wizard of oz" where everything had been in black and white, and then sir paul switches out

his camera and he goes color. i have seen other photos from miami, ali, the famous caches clay picture, but george, it seems, enjoyed miami more than any other of the beatles. he talks about it, but there is a shot here, george lounging by the pool here, and again just an incredible photo. >> paul summarizes this one as living the good life. this is at the end of this really intense period where they had been performing in paris, three shows a day and finally had a couple of days off. four guys from liverpool. i am from the uk. we do not get sunshine and palm trees there. three of them had never been to the u.s. before. they were absolutely out of their element, living, as paul said, the good life.

the amazing thing in the exhibition, not only is there this photograph, there is one of george putting on his suntan lotion. there is one of these intimate moments that no other press or photographer would have got that makes me exhibition in the book so spectacular. it is really between their bed and the other side of the camera. we have a second hour for "morning joe" weekend for you right after the break. break. gr treatment than warfarin. eliquis. eliquis reduces stroke risk. and has less major bleeding. over 97% of eliquis patients did not experience a stroke. don't stop taking eliquis without talking to your doctor as this may increase your risk of stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking, you may bruise more easily... ...or take longer for bleeding to stop. get help right away for unexpected bleeding or unusual bruising. it may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. the number one cardiologist-prescribed blood thinner.

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weekend. to make it a 7:00 a.m. this saturday morning. here are more from the conversations we had this week. treatment a little over an hour ago, i had the honor of calling senator barack obama ed congratulating him. please. i urge all americans who supported me to join me in not just congratulating him, but offering our next president our goodwill and earnest effort to find ways to come together, to find the necessary compromises to bridge our differences, and help restore our prosperity, defend our security in a dangerous world, and leave our children and grandchildren a stronger, better country that we inherited here and whatever our differences, we are fellow americans. please believe me when i say, no association has

ever meant more to me than that . >> that was the late senator john mccain during his concession speech after the 2008 presidential election. that was just over 15 years ago , but those calls for bipartisanship, stability, and hope seemed far removed from today's toxic, political climate, and active threats to democracy. joining us now, senior fellow at the brookings institute and congress for the washington post, author of the new book on sale today entitled "rebellion how anti-liberalism is tearing america apart, again." thank you for coming on the show. let's start with the term anti- liberalism, if we may. can you please define it? >> the word, liberal, is thrown around and has a lot of meanings for a lot of different people.

the essential thing about our founding is it was a liberal government in the sense that, it was about protecting individual rights for all people, universal individual rights for all people and that was what the government was founded on. that system has been under attack at various, different times throughout our history, before the civil war, obviously, the south was opposed to the declaration of independence. even today, in fact, coming back today, these forces have returned that are opposed, not just to the biden administration, but to the general regime, they call it the regime, that is the founders ' system. this is not just a donald trump problem. some of his core supporters are committed to changing the system that we have been living under and undermining our democracy and we need to understand that if donald trump wins, it will not

just be the danger posed by donald trump, but by many in his administration and by his strongest supporters, who simply do not believe in the fundamental principles on which this government was founded. >> you are right in the book, on the other hand, if he loses in november, he will undoubtedly call into question the election results, we saw this move of course four years ago. and you sort of followed the dominoes even further from there, which is to say, republican-led states may change the way they work with or do not work with the federal government and review their own role in our culture, our society. >> for one thing, we forget this secession, or the threat of succession was a very common feature of american government, certainly in the 19th century, until the civil war. it was always an option. what we need to understand, if donald trump loses, which i hope he does, and he declares the election fraudulent, this

time, he will have the republican party substantially supporting him. you will see leaders in both houses agreeing the election was fraudulent, because they are totally supportive of whatever trump says. and then the question is, what happens in heavily republican states, states where the legislator is republican, where the governor is republican . we have already seen texas recently in a way engaging in a nullification by having its own, or tried to establish its own border control, not the way things are supposed to work. if you poll americans, quite amazingly, a very high number in both parties talk about the possibility of succession if the wrong person is elected president. i do think that is something to worry about. the one thing i think we can all be confident of, if trump loses, there will be a substantial resistance, perhaps violence, january 6 on a much greater level. i think we will not be out of

the woods, even if trump loses. >> bob, we have always had tremendous issues boiling in this country forever, no matter what decade you are talking about, no matter what generation . today, if you listen to the principal candidates for the republican nomination for presidency, he describes a time that to me is unrecognizable. a country that seems almost finished. a country that if he is not elected, it is over for this country. a country that if the election goes to joe biden this fall, it will be the last free election that we have. what has happened within the confines of all of that i just described to so drastically change the way we look at this country? >> what has happened is that the republican party has been captured by this fundamentally antiliberal movement. it is a

minority of the country, in fact, a shrinking minority of the country in so far it is made up of merely white nationalists and white christian nationalists who are a shrinking portion of the country, but who have a significant influence, clearly, in the republican party, and can control what everybody else does. and that is giving trump license. in fact, he has summoned this group to him. we were talking about john mccain's secession speech to barack obama for his gracious speech, how did donald trump introduce himself to the political scene in this country in 2011, potentially for a 2012 run? he made his number one issue the birth conspiracy. in other words, the first black american president was not really an american. it is clear what he was doing when he did that. he was signaling i am the candidate of white nationalism. now, he has made himself the candidate of

white christian nationalism with the trump bible, saying, he will teach america to pray again. this is from, donald trump of course. he has that following. what we are seeing is not necessarily a fundamental misdirection of the united states, but a particular group that has always existed in this country has now seized control of one of our two political parties, and we are now paying the price for that. >> by the way, one of donald trump's first acts as a candidate was to attack mccain and his time in vietnam. the new book, ginny, bob kagan me congrats on the book. we have lots more to get to this hour. "morning joe" weekend continues after a short break. . i oversee approximately 20 people and my memory just has to be sharp. and i realized, my memory was just changing. i did my own research and i decided to give prevagen a try.

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violent protest is not protected, peaceful protest is. it is against the law if a violence occurs. destroying property is not a

peaceful protest. it is against the law. vandalism, trespassing, wrecking windows, shutting down campuses, or thing the cancellation of classes and graduation, none of this is a peaceful protest. threatening people, intimidating people, instilling fear in people is not a peaceful protest. it is against the law. this it is essential to democracy, but dissent must never lead to disorder or denying the rights of other students finishing the semester with their college education. look, it is basically a matter of fairness, a matter of what is right. there is the right to protest, but not the right to cause chaos. let's be clear about this as well, there should be no place on any campus, no place in america for anti-semitism, or threats of violence against jewish students. there is no place for hate speech, or violence of any kind, whether it is anti-semitism,

islamophobia, or discrimination against arab americans or augustinian americans. it is simply wrong. there is no place for racism in america. it is all grown. it is un-american. >> and while answering questions, the president rejected the idea of deploying the national guard to quell the unrest. he also said, he would not change policies on the middle east. let's bring on for me commander of nato, retired force admiral navy, chief analyst of nbc news, and we want to remind you, he also spent five years as dean of the ledger school of law diplomacy, that had that we want to speak to you this morning, admiral. when you look at how the president responded and how police are reacting, do you think the appropriate measures are being taken on campuses, or are administrations going too far in bringing in outside enforcement on campuses? where do you stand on that? >> i stand in favor of what you just heard from from the

president of the united states. keyword here, fletcher school of law and diplomacy. we are a school-- nation of laws. peaceful protests is fine. i spent most of my life in uniform, defending the right of people to protest of free speech, of all of our values. free speech is different than hate speech. and peaceful protests is different than criminal behavior. so, i applaud the administrations that i think are doing about as well as you can in this difficult circumstance, because you are trying to find a balance here. but when the protests lead over into overt criminal wavier --behavior, you have to react, take them off campus, arrest them, and i would argue, and i say this as a former dean, a simple arrest and release, attach and release program, if you will, is not a good idea. these students, if they are

students, by the way, many are not students, they need to receive some type of section from that institution, a suspension, or in extreme cases, an expulsion. >> let's talk the politics of this. we know president biden, pro- israel has been throughout, he says, he will not change his policies, but this is a tough moment. we know the people protesting here are young voters. biden is having trouble with them, a lot of them apparently are students of color. biden is having trouble with them. yet, we saw at the top of the show, risks turning off to independents and moderates. give us your analysis to what he said yesterday. was it enough, and also what he needs to say tuesday with the major speech. >> i think this will be a placeholder to get to tuesday. i think when you-- joe biden will win reelection by gaining a diverse group of supporters that will have very different views. you will have young

people of color and older white people, and that is how he is going to win. when you are trying to put together that coalition, i don't think you can get tripped up about thinking, what am i saying to this audience and that audience, and try to differentiate in that way, that is when you get loss. that is a recipe to.leave. this is a moment to leave. what he did yesterday, coming down on the side of law and order, i thought that was well stated. i take it as a placeholder to get to tuesday, where he can get into bigger issues about what is actually happening in the conflict. it is billed as a speech on anti-semitism. i think we talked about the question of fairness over the last two days we have heard about fairness and decency from him. i think that is where he is going. i think in the tuesday speech. the country, they need him to tell us what to think of all of this. there are people that have a lot of mixed feelings about it,

concerned about the protests, and if it turns into violence, and if we really do need to hear him set the table for the whole country, not different voting populations about what is happening here, where the u.s. should stand on it. >> it is becoming a significant moment in the speech. let's remember, for any resident, scenes of chaos out of control is deeply damaging for an income and try to win election. 2020, donald trump running for election, obviously dependent, but we also have seems surrounding george lloyd's murder with protests. very peaceful, but there was some exceptions that hurt trump. he was blamed for fostering that since of unrest. that is the sentiment for biden too. >> is very careless. you can go way further back than that, all the way back to 1968. i think the history records the

days of rage at the democratic convention in chicago. the year contributed to richard nixon's victory, to the republican victory in that presidential election, and people were definitely turned off by what they saw. at the same time, i think what the protest did, sort of move the needle further on the vietnam war, so they could say that they succeeded. i have a question, though, if you put your dean hat back on for a second, i don't know the current president of columbia, i knew her predecessor, lee bollinger very well. i was talking to him once, he was complaining there was someone he really wanted to hire in the political science department, or somewhere, somebody that was really terrific and he could

not get the faculty to say yes. i asked him like, you're the president, why don't you just hire the guy? he smiled and laughed and said, you're so cute that you think that. you have no idea how this works. the faculty is a major constituency oddities university campuses, and they have said, the thing they are concerned about is protecting the students, protecting the rights of free speech, free and open debate. they have been kind of angry, especially the columbia faculty. talk about that as a consideration that all of these administrators have to take into account. >> great conversation between you and your friend, the president. the last sentence of hemingway's "the sun always rises," isn't it pretty to

think so? that is a pretty good way to think about it. i will give you a one-word answer the president could also give, he could have said in your. these are tenured faculty members that enjoy extraordinary privilege in that regard here there is a low conversation about why that is. there are pros and cons to it. it is a very protected workforce. that is kind of the answer there. in terms of today's events, many of these faculty come out of that 68 generation, the older, tenured one. that becomes a force in this. finally, i would say to everybody, as we look at these protests that flashed large on the screens, got it. to my eye, there is about 100 campuses or so that are affected right now. jean, you may know, there are 4000 institutions in the united states that granted bachelors degree. we are not seeing protests therefore on 3900 of

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let's talk about interest rates. >> my goodness. >> j bell said, we will sit tight for now. obviously, it makes an awful lot of sense. in this economy, inflation, the numbers, still a little hotter than they want them to be. >> he desperately does not want to increase interest rates, desperately trying to avoid. his predisposition is, he would like to lower interest rates to we can get interest rates, credit card rates down, but i

don't think he is in a place to do that. it is possible, by the way, he is waiting through the end of the year. >> that is a long time. >> yes, it is possible, by the way, also makes it harder once we get really close to the election for the fed to do anything. even though, they would say they are completely independent, they don't want to be seen doing something, either. help the current president, of the former president. we are already there, as you get sword summer and fall when you might actually want to touch rates potentially, that is when it gets even harder. >> j powell but what does he need, what does the fed need in terms of numbers in the economy to have the interest rates cut in september? >> look, he either needs to see inflation coming down, which by the way, the gdp comes down, but would want to see unemployment go up.

you would only want to decrease interest rates if you think things are not as good as they want to be. it is a very unique conundrum. the economy is doing quite well. it is just running hotter than you want it to. >> the other thing is for me the numbers speak for themselves . if we get to september, everything is slowing down. inflation is down to one person or something, those numbers speak for themselves. i think they would rather be seen as being too political, that being seen as late to the ball again. >> that is true. but if we are talking about politics of all of this, joe, i think it is important to remember that there are things like peoples experience everyday. do they think the cost of housing is coming down, do they feel that beyond what the data is showing us, and do they feel

that joe biden is the person that will fight for them more than donald trump will? data is obviously huge. every white house wants good data that they can run on and show what they have done in their time as president. this was true for barack obama when he was running of the economy was recovering. it is true for joe biden when he was running and what he has done to help recover from the pandemic. what is also true is how you make people feel. they need to feel like you will be the one fighting for them, not the other guy here that is that the they have got to keep your eyes focused on. >> it is pretty simple. i mean, bill clinton, when gas prices went up in a political year, he would freak out, because he understood, those are like billboards on every corner saying how well you are doing. you take that, and then, i think even more devastating, grocery bills. they are going to come down or they are not

going to come down. >> i think you actually will see grocery bills come down. i think you are seeing it in some parts of the food ecosystem. but the hardest part about this whole situation is, you will see former president trump out there jawboning about how if he becomes the president, he will force the federal reserve to lower interest rates. you are seeing in the "wall street journal" this week articles saying, he will move the independence of the federal reserve or make the secret deals with whoever the next fed chair is. >> can you explain, andrew, what happens to mark >> i was going to say, president biden can't do that. you would not think that is a responsible approach. >> can you explain what happens if you have a hot economy when you lower interest rates, how dumb of donald trump it would be to do that. >> wages would not outpace inflation that everything would cost that much more.

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are in washington, d.c. this week to discuss efforts to combat homelessness at the federal level. joining us now, democratic mayor karen bass, chair of the conference of mayors task force on homelessness, and republican mayor david holt of oklahoma city. >> mayor, let me begin with you. thank you all both for being here. over the past few years, i have spoken with mayors of major cities, maybe across the northeast and some on the west coast, and asked, why can't you take care of the homelessness them? why does it keep spreading? they always would look to these lower court rulings that did not give them the authority to take care of the homeless crisis in their towns. it looks like the supreme court will give that power back to the mayors, back to local officials to have a holistic approach, the way it works best in their

own communities. is that good news for you? >> i don't think it is helpful, frankly. it is not just a matter of what tools you need to move people off the street, it is about getting people housed. my concern about what the supreme court can do, it will essentially usher in a wave of people being ticketed like they were in the city, $200, $300 tickets for being on the street. what does that solve? we need to get people housed, off the street, into housing here one thing we have certainly been able to do in l.a., people are not refusing to be housed. they don't want to be on the street. i think giving cities the power to arrest or ticket people does not solve the problem. >> it does not solve the problem, mayor holt, but is it at least the first step for you to be able to have more control of your situation?

>> as a general rule, of course, mayors want control as mayor said, you are not going to arrest, or incarcerates, or ticket your way out of a homelessness issue. that is one of the toughest things to accept when you deal with this retractable problem. you have got to bring wraparound services. people come into homelessness 1000 different ways, you have to have 1000 different options to get them out of it. i would say, it is more complicated than that. it is easy to clear an encampment and move them along, but if you're not getting them housing, not getting them support, the job training, substance abuse, mental health training they need, they will not stay off the street. >> mayor asked, los angeles has has-- had a long-running problem with homelessness on the street, this certainly did not start with your administration, but you are in the hot seat now. what sort of measurable progress have you made, can you make in the foreseeable future to get people off the street

and to get them housed? >> first of all, we absolutely have to have a comprehensive solution, because we can get people off the street and more come on the street. we have to develop a system of long-term interim housing while we are building, and we are doing exactly that. i have signed executive directives that have fast-track building los angeles over the years has become extremely expensive to live in. we have to address the supply of housing. we have to have a police-- place for people to go while housing is being built, and the wraparound services mayor holt talks about. if we do not address this in a conference of matter, we will not succeed. to be clear, in los angeles, we are talking about in the city, about 40 thousand people who are unhoused. we can make a measurable difference, but we have to operate from several different perspectives. that is why we are here in d.c. now,

trying to address a problem with veterans being unhoused. veterans should not have to choose between their benefits and housing. that is a specific issue of reporting mayors are here addressing on the hill today. >> mayor holt good morning. as you mentioned, so much of this gets back to mental health and mental illness with people on the streets and circumstances they have brought in. how do you get better now at the root cause of homelessness, or at least one of the most prominent? >> right. and i should give a lot of credit to the organization mayor past and i are a part of, that is a higher point of interest with homelessness, mental health . we have to investigate it at every level. but cost a lot of what we see today, not the only cause, but 50, 60 years ago this country made a decision, for all the right reasons me to kind of

close the institutions. the problem was, it was not replaced with anything. today, the streets and our jails and prisons have replaced what was once the mental health institutions of this country. local level, state-level, federal level, everybody has got to make new investments in this issue. you are right. like i said, there is about the different ways people into homelessness, but mental health is obviously a major contributor. we as a society have not invested in that enough and we have to do more. >> appreciate both of your focus on this issue. mayor bass, before we let you go, i want to ask about the things we are showing and we discussed at the top of our show, the campus protests over the war in gaza, how do you think the schools have handled them? >> i think both schools have handled them the best that they can. i will tell you that right now, both usc and ucla are peaceful. i know the administration is talking to the protesters and would like to come to a peaceful resolution. i feel good that we will get there. >> all right, los angeles mayor

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this is pretty incredible video we want to share with you. it is an evangelical pastor, delivering a forceful sermon, denouncing what has been called as the troubled bible as blasphemous as-- and disgusting. in march, as you know, trump began selling a $60 god bless the usa bible, complete with copies of the nation's founding documents. the april 14th sermon by reverend lori livingston, senior pastor of central church in charlotte, north carolina

has gone viral, drawing millions of views so far. take a look. >> when you don't read and pray, you say, wow, there is a bible out now that includes the constitution and the bill of rights, isn't that wonderful? no! no, it's disgusting. it's blasphemous, it's a ploy! are you kidding me? some of you are so encouraged by that? let me tell you something, the gospel is not an american gospel . it is the gospel of the lord jesus christ! [ applause ] but pastor, i bought the bible. really? you're telling me that you're encouraged because someone took

a government u.s. constitution, a document that says, we are of the people, by the people, and for the people, the people, the people, the people, and you have put it right beside the word of god, which is eternal, unchanging that says, of him, by him, through him, to him, from him, are all things, and you are going to put those together and be happy about it? god forbid. now, you can get mad if you want to, but i'm going to tell you something, if you glory in that kind of thing, you don't have a prayer life. if you glory in that kind of mess, political mess, you do not know what the word of god says . >> let's bring in russell moore, editor and chief of quote, christianity today, and leaves a theology project.

we also have still with us david french. before anyone gets confused, this gentleman will not be a democratic delegate to the chicago democratic convention. his positions on abortion, or lgbtq issues, or many other issues would not come close to what the democratic party's message would be on those beliefs. that said, that actually makes that a more steaming indictment among republican evangelicals, i think, what he just said. take us through what he just said, and how it aligns with so much of what you believe, and what david and i believe. >> well, what he said should not be controversial, or even remarkable at all. it was an out of old-fashioned sermon against ideology. it is the fact that we are

living in such strange times we even take notice of this. what i noticed about this man if he is not scared. i don't know him. i've never heard him before, but there are so many people who are scared of their audiences, that they are afraid of what is going to happen. i guarantee you, this guy was being stopped in the for your on the way out the church to say, how their you criticize donald trump? he is recognizing what is happening here is the politicizing of religion in a way that is not just destroyed our politics, but also destroying our religion. even the golden calf did not charge admission. and we now have people selling products to us with our own sacred text, mixing them together in some sort of clinical marketing campaign. that is doing something really sick to all of us. i think this

pastor recognizes, donald trump has a lot of branded properties with his name on them, church of jesus christ should not be one of them. >> russell, part of what is extraordinary about that clip that is going violent-- viral is extraordinary because we don't see more of it. what is your sense of why that is? is it a fear of the congregation, in the same way politicians fear trump voters? >> yeah, politicians who fear their audiences across the board. in some ways, it is the same impulse we see on these university campuses with faculty members who are afraid to say to campus demonstrators, you can't be screaming anti- semitic marks. same thing happens suddenly, in churches, and there are some people who don't want to get the kind of angry emails and conversations that come if they criticize a favorite candidate in their churches. some other people simply think, if we ride this out long enough, it will go away. well, we are eight years in, it is not going away. when we look at what is the

result, we have church attendance plummeting. people willing to call themselves evangelicals plummeting. what is one of the reasons for that, people see it as just another form of politics. we have to have people willing to say, the gospel is actually more than that. coming up, in the award- winning cocreator, show writer, and executive producer, paul downs, a busy guy, he will join us on the set of his new series on hbo. on hbo. (♪♪) try dietary supplements from voltaren, for healthy joints.

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deborah, after your special, your career has never been home. did you ever think you would be back on top?>> yes. >> deborah is here? >> you are here? >> she hired new writers to mark >> you know what, she hired two, which is actually a compliment. she had to replace you with two people. >> i am not ready to see her. can you hold the door? whoa. >> that is a look at the upcoming long-awaited third series-- season of the hit series, "hacks" , a company-- comedy that follows a toxic relationship. joining us now, cocreator, show writer, writer, executive producer of "hacks" who you saw on that scene, paul downs, who also plays agent jimmy in that

series. good to see you. this show is so beloved and people feel like they have been waiting a long time. >> yeah, we started in 2022 and there were a bunch of delays including two strikes. it has been a long road. we are very excited. >> or people coming back after that delay, remind them where we find ourselves, without giving way too much, where are we in the store? >> the show is about deborah vance and this dark mentor ship she has with her young writer, ava daniels, played by hannah einbinder. in season two, after a really great working relationship , where they revived her career, deborah byers ava, and they go their separate ways. when we come back this season, it has been a year. they are both on top of the world, in really good places, but not together,

so there is something missing. >> you are the cocreator of the show listed. this is your show. what was this board of? was it some experience you are having it hollywood or people you knew in hollywood? what was the seed of the idea? >> everything comes from myself, all of our writers, the people that work on the show. it really came from us loving female comedians, we did not feel like got the save opportunities a lot of their male counterparts got. we created this character that was lucille ball, all of these great iconic comedians. and we wanted to sort of tell an untold story of somebody who suffered indignities, but is coming back, sort of on a path to redemption with this young writer, who is gaining respect for her along the way. >> and jean smart is perfect. you can't imagine it to happen to anyone else in this role. was she the one you have to have in this part?

>> we wrote the show without having anyone attached. when we got together and started thinking about casting it, we needed someone who could be believably funny, a real standup, deliver the jokes, but also could deliver on the heartfelt moments. there is a lot of heart in the show. she is someone who is good at everything he or she has got the comedy chops, but also such a great dramatic after-- actor. deborah vance does scream a lot. >> the clip from the new season where your character, jimmy, speaks with ava about new writing ideas here it's >> i was wondering if you knew of any open writing assignments, anything that would be good for me? >> yes, i have coverage for kayla actually i think will be interesting. literally every studio wants a procedural based on operation. remember that game? >> what else you got? >> they have done market research of a believe that gen

z thinks the animated spoon from "beauty and the beast" is hot and apparently can get it, so they want something that focuses on his love life, focusing on the animated spoon's love life.>> give me another one. >> no spoon, okay. >> the love life of the spoon. i have to imagine the writer's room somebody came up with that and were like, that's it. how much fun is it to write that? >> because we are satirizing what is actually happening in hollywood, that was really fun. we actually had like two pages of alts, so there were a lot of other jokes in that scene that did not make it. >> we need deleted scenes. there is too much good stuff packed in one place. i have talked to others, this has gone on to be huge kids and well received like yours, you think you have an idea in the room at the beginning, you get jean smart and you cast, but you don't know how well it will

lead or received. how gratifying is it to win all of these awards you have won and people love the show so much? >> it is so crazy. it really feels like one in 1 million, especially to have the actors and so much of our crew recognized for their work. it takes hundreds of people to make a show. have a great idea and a great cast, it still takes a village to make. everybody is so good we work with. everybody takes pride in their work. i think you can see it, they are at the top of their game. we are really lucky people have responded. >> we are lucky you made it. it is such a great show. season three of "hacks" is available now. that is all the time we have for today. we will be right back here tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. eastern. stay tuned for the weekend. enjoy the rest of your saturday. saturday.