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pro-palestinian protesters at another university we'll look back at an infamous antiwar protest that turned deadly 54 years ago, today. the professor bella tony, and guests join me to discuss kent state. congressman sarah jacobs is here to discuss political fallout over the latest protests. the insider, who picks, one of donald trump's closest advisers offers emotional and damning testimony. barbara quaid will discuss the significance. and the queen of chaos. marjorie taylor greene looks to oust speaker mike johnson. but, should democrats help save mike johnson's job? i'm jonathan capehart, and this is "the saturday show."

student protests against the israel hamas war continue to boil over at campuses as universities grapple with how to handle disruptions at upcoming graduation ceremonies. just hours ago tensions escalated at the university of virginia after police began removing an encampment near the chapel grounds that had been in place for nine days. officials say the situation is now stabilized, the police are still on the scene. and this morning a group of pro-palestinian demonstrators briefly interrupted the university of michigan's commencement, but no arrests were reported. over 2400 have been arrested or detained on dozens of college campuses, including hundreds of arrests at ucla and columbia university, where police in riot gear cleared out protesters. and now, new nbc reporting reveals columbia university is reassessing its commencement

plans following security concerns over the protests. on thursday, president biden publicly addressed the demonstrations and those concerns for the first time. >> the dissent must never lead to denying the rights of students who can finish the semester and their college education. it's basically a matter of fairness, it's a matter of what's right. there's the right to protest, but not the right to cause chaos. >> those words ring urgent as the country marks a somber anniversary today that reminds us of a big fear surrounding these nationwide protests, but the potential of violence, 54 years ago, at kent state university, members of ohio national guard opened fire into a crowd of demonstrators who were protesting the expansion of the vietnam war into

cambodia. four students were killed, nine others were injured. the shootings sent shockwaves across the country and came to symbolize the deep cultural and political divisions of the time. but, the protests at kent state were part of a much larger antiwar movement on college campuses that had been getting momentum for years. on april 30th, 1968, at columbia university, police forcibly rested nearly 700 students, who had taken over five campus buildings, including hamilton hall. in addition to opposing the vietnam war, the students were also protesting racism against african americans. exactly 56 years later, on april 30th, 2024, at columbia university, police arrested more than 100 people after pro- palestinian protesters broke in and occupied hamilton hall. processed or was heard shouting "let's finish what they did in

1968." one nypd officer excellently fired his gun inside the building, luckily there were no students in the immediate vicinity, and no one was injured. while parallels between these two antiwar movements are obvious there are notable differences. during the vietnam war students were protesting those who were protesting faced a real possibility of being drafted into the conflict. some students likely had already lost family and friends to the war, which claimed more than 58,000 american lives. today pro-palestinian protesters are speaking out against the divisive conflict on the other side of the globe, and they don't face the risk of being sent to war, so the question is, will the movement be able to sustain momentum beyond this school year and at this moment? one student told the washington post activists are already making plans for the future saying "no one plans on leaving this summer." joining me now, christina

belantoni , director of usc media center. and michael, presidential historian, author of presidents of war. christina and michael, thank you both very much for joining me on "the saturday show.". with graduations coming and school out for the summer, i'll ask you will the momentum will the movement, be able to sustain momentum? >> so every college campus is a little different. usc you have students, probably a few hundred, who have an encampment outside. they have not occupied it buildings. we are likely clearing that via lapd today. there are journalists covering today and have been the only press allowed to witness what is going on, because the

campuses closed to outside visitors. the students we have talked to, i've talked to some personally, and what they are recording but many of them say they will stick around, but many of them have plans to go home for the summer. why we don't allow outside visitors you're not going to see people and start camping that aren't usc students. i will say a lot of these students are from the areas affected. we have many students who have said they have lost family members in gaza. we have a lot of students who have a connection to the terrorist attack on october 7th. there's a lot of really deep feelings and pain there. we don't know as much whether they will stick around. commencement is friday. >> according to university officials those arrested at hamilton hall, a portion had no affiliation with the school. you were saying no one from the

outside is allowed on campus. i'm wondering. have you seen an influx of outsiders? >> everyday it's been a little different. we can have to go there were 93 arrests of that number, 53 were students. we know there were some faculty as well, so you can do the math there. right now outside guests are not allowed on campus, but they were allowed previously. it seems to me many of them are students studying for their finals, and the numbers have dropped since that was closed off to campus. >> michael, how do these demonstrations compared to the antiwar movements in the '60s, and what lessons should today's leaders take from what happened at kent state 54 years ago today? >> well the lesson from kent state of course i think, i think you would both agree, you know, never use military force to try to stop a demonstration that is peaceful. and those national guard troops were sent in by the governor of ohio am a james rhodes. four killed, five wounded.

it was a national tragedy. even richard nixon, who had waged that invasion of cambodia he had what looked like an emotional breakdown. could not sleep, got up before dawn, called for his car, went with his valley to the lincoln memorial where students were protesting and tried to engage them by talking about sports. didn't work too well, but it did show nixon was not entirely stonefaced. >> let me get you on one more thing, michael. how concerned are you the 2024 democratic convention in chicago will go the way of the 1968 democratic convention in chicago? >> well, i am old enough to have actually been living around chicago when that occurred, but i remember those national guard helicopters

flying overhead, and the fact richard nixon and his people rejoiced when that convention dissolved into violence and police were beating up protesters, and it looked as if hubert humphrey, the democratic nominee and his linden johnson, nixon rubbed salt in the wound by going to the motorcade in chicago about a week or two later which was entirely peaceful, and the message was clear, he was trying to say make me president i can restore law and order. that election was won by only 400,000 popular votes. without the violence richard nixon would not have been elected. >> real quick, michael, i want you to listen to what bernie sanders said on cnn. this week. >> i am thinking back, and other people are making this reference, that this may be biden's vietnam. lyndon johnson in many respects was a very

very good president, domestically, brought forth some major pieces of legislation. he chose not to run in '68 because of opposition to his views on vietnam. >> michael, both christina and i said wow, those are strong words. you agree with senator sanders' assessment? >> well, to the extent the protest is heartfelt and widespread, and we don't know whether it will last through the summer, or much longer, or if it will metastasize in chicago. so, in that respect there is a parallel to the vietnam war, may god for bid, nine years, and that protest, hate to say it, but student protests basically begin to ebb away, when the graph of young americans was canceled, and students were not as much at risk.

there were for the protests, but they never had the energy they did during the time young americans on campus were at risk of being sent off to vietnam. >> christina, last question for you, despite the protests, and the-- tensions created on campus, this must be an incredibly proud moment for you, because you have student journalists who have been providing around-the-clock coverage and sometimes under the threat of violence and being arrested. talk about how critical it is that student journalists are the ones who are informing the nation about what's happening. >> in our case they are the only ones allowed on campus. many of them are informing news outlets and what's happening. in addition you are seeing this is no better training. we can train them in the classroom. rarely is it so poignant, and you don't usually see your peers arrested on live television a week and half ago.

shout out to the newsroom that i oversee, to the daily trojan, the daily campus newspaper, and the daily berlin at ucla, where they did incredible coverage, and some were assaulted in counterprotest incidents. for these students to be learning in this way would it affects their peers, and it's their graduation that has been canceled, the main ceremonies, it's a lot to process, and we just encourage them to ask questions, to start with facts, report what you see, and bear witness to what could end up being a moment that does echo in history books like 1968. >> christina bellantoni, michael beschloss, thank you. drama in the courtroom in the hush money intellection

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the second week of testimony in donald trump office hush money election interference trial ended on a dramatic note, with former aide, hope hicks, testifying as a witness for the prosecution, crying during cross-examination on friday. hicks is the first member of trump's inner circle to testify about his alleged 2016 election interference charges he has repeatedly denied. hicks served on trump's 2016 campaign and was white house

medications director in his administration. but, hicks told the jury that her professional relationship with trump ended in 2022. the same year she sat for an interview with the house's january 6th select committee. she also informed the jury that she is paying for her own attorney. during her testimony, hicks helped confirm a key part of the manhattan district attorney's case for saying "trump said he spoke to michael cohen and michael had paid this woman to protect him from a false allegation." she says cohen acted on his own when he paid off storm and daniels, but hicks also testified cohen didn't seem like the charitable type. hicks went on to say about trump "he wanted to know how it was playing, and just by thoughts and opinions about this story, versus having a different kind of story before the election had mr. cohen had not made that payment." adding," i think it was better to be dealing with it now, and

it would have been bad to have that story come out before the election," in regards to trump. hicks, saying cohen sometimes "went rogue and created problems for trump's campaign. " michael cohen, "liked to call himself a fixer or mr. fix it, and it was only because he first broke it." joining me now, msnbc legal analyst, former u.s. attorney, barbara mcquaid, professor at university of michigan law school, cohost of the hashtag sisters in law podcast. her new book is attack from within, how disinformation is sabotaging america. barbara, thank you for coming to the saturday show. okay, barbara, am i making too much of hope hicks saying on the stand "i think mr. trump's opinion is, it was better to be dealing with it now, and it would have been bad to have that story come out before the

election. " that seems to get at the election interference argument the prosecution has been making. again, or, am i making too much of it? >> no, i think you're absolutely right, jonathan. i think in fact it's no surprise this came at the end of her testimony as the prosecutors heard those words come out of her mouth they wisely sat down and said we are done here. everything she was saying was leading to that point describing her role with the campaign, what she did, the requests they were getting from the press, how they dealt with it before the election, and how they dealt with it when this story came back in january, 2018. and this idea that it was good thing we dealt with it when we did i think is evidence that the prosecution will use in their closing argument to say this is what motivated these payments, and this is all part of that same conspiracy you heard about through david pecker. >> hope hicks showered

criticism on michael cohen. is this is deliberate? >> it may be prosecutors like to draw the sting of anything that in their case. no case is perfect, but there are bad facts in every case. it is the prosecution strategy to out the bad facts so they don't come as a surprise later. so, i think it's likely. prosecutors will ultimately say you don't have to like michael cohen, you just have to decide whether the whole story, his testimony plus the corroborating evidence makes sense to you, and we didn't she was michael cohen, donald trump did. >> hope hicks testified at length about the access hollywood tape, calling it an absolute crisis for trump. >> i think that part provides the incentive for donald trump to do what he is alleged to

have done, which is to silence these additional allegations by karen mcdougal, and stormy daniels right at the same time. so, his campaign is really floundering at this moment when this comes out, because of information there, the recording disparaging to women. if at the same time voters now hear about stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, that could really have been the final nail in the coffin, perhaps for donald trump office campaign. it became all the more important to silence them. >> hicks said, she didn't remember attending the 2015 meeting, where trump asked national enquirer publisher, david pecker, to sway the presidential election. does that hurt david credibility? >> i don't think so. she just said she doesn't remember being there. that's going back to testimony and events that occurred nine years ago. people's memories differ on

different details, but as long as the jury believes the gist of the story, but no doubt, any kinds of inconsistencies are certainly things the jury will keep in mind as they sort through these facts and evidence. >> we have less than a minute. two questions for you. first, what impact might hicks crying on the stand and her body language have on the jury? >> it is a very intense experience, testifying in court . it seems she broke down right after the moneyline we discussed about how important it was that the story didn't come out before the election. one theory may be she just felt very badly that she delivered testimony that was very of a student to donald trump's case. >> trump claimed he wouldn't be able to testify, because of the gag order, and judge merchan

quickly corrected him on that one. >> 100%, so saying that he wishes he could testify in court but can't because of the gag order, number one, not true. the gag order only relates to statements made outside of court. donald trump is free to speak inside of court, and i thought judge merchan did a good job of making sure the record was corrected in that way. but i would be stunned if donald trump testifies, but i think it would be convenient for him to say i wish i could testify but couldn't, because someone made it impossible for me to do so. >> you and i-- he's not going to testify. barbara mcquade, thank you very much as always. still to come. political fallout from the campus protests and the lingering debate over how to protect free speech while deterring anti-semitism. congresswoman sarah jacobs joins to discuss.

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the campus protests over the israel-hamas war have also sparked a political battle on capitol hill. this week, the house passed the bipartisan anti-semitism awareness act aimed at cracking down on anti-semitism on campuses. but some say it is a serious threat to speech the legislation is based on the international holocaust remembrance alliance definition of and pieces of anti-semitism. it is anti-semitic to call israel a racist state or compare israeli officials to nazis. but, the lead drafter has urged congress not to codify into law. he writes in the boston globe "it was never intended to be weaponized to muzzle campus free speech." and, the house's longest-

serving jewish member, made the same argument slamming the anti- semitism awareness act as an attack on the first amendment. >> devoted much of my life to combating anti-semitism, and i am as attuned as anyone to threats and bigotry aimed at jewish people. speech critical of israel alone does not constitute unlawful discrimination. please move beyond pointless gestures and posturing and actually help us protect jewish students. >> and joining me now is another jewish lawmaker, who voted against the bill, democratic congresswoman sarah jacobs of california. she's a member of the house democratic steering and policy committee. congressman jacobs, nice to see you again, thank you very much for coming to "the saturday show." why did you vote against the bill? >> yeah, look, as a jewish person, i, like millions of around the world have

experienced anti-semitism myself. i have been called slurs, i can't tell you how many jokes have been made about my frizzy hair and big nose, and it's very clear anti-semitism is on the rise, and that's a very significant threat. at the same time, i think it's incredibly important that we recognize what actually is anti- semitic, and i do not believe that anti-zionism is inherently anti-semitic. and i think it's important that we do things that will actually address the real rise of anti- semitism and keep jewish students safe. that's not this bill that would end up sweeping in so many nonviolent protesters on campus and would penalize and hurt free speech on campus and everywhere else. >> so, congresswoman, i'm glad you brought up the difference between anti-zionism and anti- semitism. for the folks out there who are trying to understand what this is, how would you explain the

difference between anti-semitism and anti-zionism? >> yeah, so zionism is the idea that the jewish people should have a homeland, and it is premised on ideology that nationstates are based on people's nations having statehood. and the idea that anti-zionism is anti-semitic is really premised on the idea that the jewish people are the only people for whom this idea is questioned. and, i do understand people who feel that way, but, i work in international conflict resolution all over the world, and i can tell you it's simply not the case. just in the middle east you have the kurds. you have bass country, i am a ranking member, people who

whether or not they should get a state is contested. and so to me the idea that it's only the jewish people who are having this concept questioned for is just not actually accurate with what we see in the world, and that's why i don't believe it's inherently an anti-semitic thing to question. >> congresswoman, as you well know both members in chambers say there is a clear solution to the campus demonstrations. listen. >> is what needs to happen. for one, is we need to stop funding these universities. >> if they don't want to do something to address this, kiss your federal funding goodbye. >> congresswoman, what does that signal to you about the republican's focus on anti- semitism? >> first of all, look, i think it's clear there is a real rise of anti-semitism, there is a real rise of anti-semitism on

campus. and i've heard from jewish students who don't feel safe, but i think it's clear these republicans have been trying to cut funding for higher education and education in general for many years, and this is just the latest thing that they are trying to politicize to get their end goal. frankly politicizing this anti- semitism is not actually keeping jewish students safe. i would argue in fact it is making jewish students less safe. there are very real things we should and can be doing to protect jewish students on campus, such as fully funding and implementing the national strategy to counter him at his counter anti-semitism, such as fully funding the office of civil rights at the department of education, so that if someone feels their rights have been infringed upon a campus they have redress, and we have the ability to investigate that and remediate it. but, this bill won't actually do any of those things. all it will do is sweep in lots

and lots of speech that should be protected under the first amendment, i would argue, into a definition that is not even agreed upon by the majority of mainstream jews and jewish organizations across the country. >> we are out of time, but i want to get from you, the president is set to deliver a speech on anti-semitism on tuesday, marking the holocaust day of remembrance. what would you like to hear from him? >> i know that president biden has been a strong champion for the jewish community and countering anti-semitism. i hope he leans into the national strategy to counter anti-semitism that he put out, and i hope he talks about the space we need to carve out between anti-semitism and legitimate criticism of the policies of the government of israel. >> congresswoman sarah jacobs of california, thank you very much for coming to "the saturday show."

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the speaker. by making either one of those moods democrats would effectively kill mtg's motion to vacate, even if republican lawmakers support her. but, make no mistake about it, chaos still reigns supreme, and speaker johnson may not always have republicans ready to rescue him from the extreme right. they will stand by him against mtg on this one, but it will be case-by-case after that, if more attempts are made to join me now, democratic congressman of california, nanette barragan, the chair of the congressional hispanic caucus. chair nanette barragan, thank you very much for coming to "the saturday show." so, do you stand by the house democratic leaders saying they will rescue mike johnson's speakership? >> what they are telling the members is vote your conscious. they are clearly addressing some members who have this is the most and shy most anti-

lgbtq person, we don't want to support him. others say he is for white christian nationalism, election to nihilism, so that's with people who say i'm not going to help her do anything, then there's other folks who definitely feel he did the right thing with ukraine aid, let's not give any more coverage to the joke of marjorie taylor greene, because she's really not there for the american people, she's not getting anything done, she just wants the drama. i think that's what we are trying to move past. >> which camp? [ laughter ] >> we'll have to see how it goes, i kind of lean towards the first camp. we need to make sure we continue to move on and govern. we have a lot of things to do like the authorization bill, the farm bill, making access available for kids to snap benefits. i don't think this is the time to be getting another 20 votes on a speaker. >> i want to get confirmation,

and my right in my reporting that democrats are like, okay, mtg, we will save you mike johnson but, anyone who makes this move after that we will do on a case-by-case basis? >> absolutely, i think this is a one-time just move past this and take the air out of this story, and out of her. >> let's switch gears and talk about this time magazine profile on trump this week for the article says he plans, and i'm quoting, "lunch a massive deportation operation of target millions of people, and rely mostly on the national guard to round up and remove undocumented migrants, who he says aren't civilians." he says that as a way of adjusting and justifying the use of the military in the states. >> this should sound the alarm bell for everybody, especially latinos. trump is the number-one enemy

to latinos. believe him when he saying he will be a dictator, that you will round up people. people were already scared in the first term who said citizens, they were asking, is he going to reverse my citizenship? he's going to go out with the national guard, he's going to round up people and deport them, and they could be citizens, and it would just be collateral damage. we have got to make sure everybody knows about his plan, because i know the american people, when you do the polling, they don't want this. they want pathways to citizenship. what did we see biden do yesterday? just yesterday he said, we will give our daca recipients access to the affordable care act. those of the right things to do to support our immigrant amenities, and folks who have been here all their lives. trump is going to cause chaos and deport them, and he will build detention camps, massive detention camps. he's going to have no regard

for the law. so it's a real threat. >> what did you make of this other unbelievable thing in the time magazine interview where he said "let red states monitor women's pregnancies and prosecco prosecute those who violate abortion bans. " >> it is a huge issue, like in arizona or you have a huge latino population, but those affected are a lot of latina women, and women of color, they are disproportionately affected by these. so imagine women knowing that the president is authorizing government to follow your pregnancy, to prosecute you if you are breaking the law and getting an abortion or trying to get an abortion it's a scary concept. abortion is about freedom, and this is a trump presidency that is going to take away your freedoms, and is going to threaten democracy as we know it. >> yes or no, the issue is on the ballot, will be on the ballot in eight states.

will that have a benefit? >> we've seen it in kentucky, michigan, and of the places where they said no, this will be the issue that i think will mobilize people, but there's a lot more that will help mobilize people as well. >> congresswoman, nanette barragan, thank you for coming to "the saturday show." taking back the house, with only a razor thin republican majority in the house democrats are looking at a congressional district in new york as a top target. former congressman jones joins me to discuss his comeback bid for the sea. sea. with no children and no casinos. we actually have reinvented ocean voyages, designing all-inclusive experiences for the thinking person. viking - voted world's best by both travel + leisure and condé nast traveler.

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most people don't know how i had to struggle. i know we can do better. for me, this is personal. >> former democratic congressman jones is running in a closely watched congressional race in new york that may help determine control of the u.s. house. he is looking to make a political comeback by ousting republican congressman mike lawlor, in your's 17th district. jones made history in 2020 by being one of the first two out, black, gay, men in congress,

running for the 10th district but the campaign was cut short after a loss to daniel goldman in the 2022 primary. now, jones is ready to flip his former seat back to blue. democratic candidate, former congressman, mondaire jones. congressman jones, welcome back. it's "the saturday show." it's been two years. i think one of the last times you were on you were still in congress. why are you running against mark >> jonathan a great to be with you and your viewers. i am running, because for me, policy is personal. unlike most of the people we see in the house of representatives, i know what it's like to struggle, and i think we need more people in congress, who understand the pain that working people are feeling, including the people most partly in my congressional district, the 17th district,

the lower hudson valley. as part as i am with the work we did when democrats had the gavel, capping the cost of prescription drugs, no one on medicare will pay more than $2000 out-of-pocket for drugs or hundreds of millions of dollars for healthcare to my congressional district even as a freshman member of congress, i know our work is unfinished, and that has to include codifying roe v. wade. it has to include banning assault weapons, lowering the cost of housing and healthcare, and obvious the protecting the affordable care act, which is what donald trump, in my republican opponent, want to repeal. >> speaking of your republican opponent, in the first quarter of 2024 you raised more money than him, and a spokesman for congressman mike lawler, called your record radical, and dangerous. what sets you apart from congressman mike lawler? >> i grew up in section 8 housing on food stamps, and my opponent is a former oil and gas

lobbyist, and has proceeded to act like an oil and gas lobbyist, and he opposes the inflation reduction act. he would have people like my grandmother pay more for her prescriptions. he supports trump and was a convention delegate for him in 2016, got paid to get reelected in 2020, and now recently had to admit he is supporting him for the third time. this is someone who has been charged with 88 felony counts, and who incited a violent insurrection at the capitol. this is a guy, mike lawler, who says he is an a law and order republican. pay attention to what he does, not what he says on the camera. if we don't flip this district that biden won by 10 points, that i use to represent 73% of before the disastrous 2022 redistrict during, and where

democrats outnumber republicans by 80,000, but they want the chaos to stop, and there's no way the maga republican majority gets the gavel taken from them if we don't feet mike lawler here in a district where he won bite 1820 votes. >> congressman mondaire jones, if you win back the seat against congressman mike lawlor, what is your first priority? >> the first priority has to be making sure that we codify roe v. wade and rescue our democracy. we are staring at a situation right now where there is not a democratic majority in january, republicans may not certify a joe biden victory. it is really important that we have adults in the room in the

majority, unlike the chaos, extremism, and incompetence, that we've seen. but we have to do more. we have to secure our border. we of course have to make sure we are banning assault weapons so kids can stop getting gunned down in schools around the country, and we have to continue to lower the cost of prescription drugs and healthcare, which is something i'm passionate about, as someone who watched his grandmother work so hard just to afford the cost of prescription drugs. >> i asked for one priority, you gave me four. former congressman mondaire jones, thank you so much for joining "the saturday show." good luck on the campaign trail. we reached out to mike lawler to come on the show, we have not heard back. we will be back with more of "the saturday show.". .".

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19 americans are the new recipients of the nation's highest civilian honor. in an emotional ceremony yesterday president biden bestowed the presidential medal of freedom on an esteemed and eclectic group including my friend, clarence be. jones, one of dr. martin luther king jr.'s closest advisers and helped write the iconic i have a dream speech, and smuggled letter from birmingham jail out of the birmingham jail. edgar's was gunned down in his driveway in 1963 and was remember for his relentless quests for racial justice as

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