on this new hour of ayman, what donald trump wants if you once again. he will tell us his plans. are americans listening? trump's quest for presidential immunity and how it clashes with his own desire of prosecuting joe biden. a group of white folks in baton rouge fought for a racist secession in louisiana's high court. i'm ayman mohyeldin, let's do it. it was a warm april day at mar-a-lago when donald trump sat down for an interview with

"time magazine," as guests behind on steak and granjeno, 20 played dj, swiping for his ipad 2 rate the soundtrack. a familiar tune emanated from the speakers, the star's mangled banner. not the original one, this one is sung by the so-called january 6th choir, a group of defendants imprisoned for attacking the capitol on january 6th. trump then double down on his pledge to hearten them, which is one of many ideas trump is planning for a possible second term, which was the focus of eric cortellessa's interview and subsequent article published in "time," this week. trump laments the fact that he was, "too nice in his first term." for a second term, he would enter backed by a slew of policy shops staffed by loyalists who have drawn up

detailed plans in service of his agenda, which would concentrate the powers of the state in the hands of a man whose appetite for power appears all but insatiable. on immigration, trump told eric cortellessa he will rely on the national guard to round up and remove undocumented immigrants throughout the country as part of his massive deportation plan . and, if for some reason the national guard can't do it, trump says he will use other parts of the military, despite the fact that u.s. law clearly bars the government from using military force on u.s. civilians. it is a tactic he plans to use for other issues. trump said he will send the national guard to city struggling with crying even if governors in the states do not request the help. on abortion, trump declined to commit to the two additional federal restrictions but reinforced it should be left to the states. this for his own observation

could include states monitoring women's pregnancies, saying, "i think they might do that." trump doubled down on his isolationist agenda, reinforcing what he told a crowd at a rally back in february, that he would not back nato allies if they were attacked by russia. >> i would not protect you. in fact, i would encourage them to do whatever they want. >> trump doubled down on his threat, telling eric cortellessa, "if you are not going to pay , you are on your own." here's the thing. trump's plants only happen if voters in this country allow him back into the white house. if they don't, trump does not rule out violence. "if we don't win, it depends. it always depends on the fairness of the election." after the article came out, trump went further, telling "the milwaukee journal sentinel," if everything is honest, i will accept the results. if it is not, you have to fight for the right of the country." where have we heard that one before? >> if you don't find, you are not going to have a country

anymore. >> the same goals and grievances remain as we barrel toward a third election was trump on the ballot. however, this time around, he was more confident, more assertive and certainly more emboldened, surrounded by his most loyal advisors and confidence, who will stop at nothing to please and serve their boss. it is no longer hyperbolic, folks, because donald trump has now told us what he wants. to be an authoritarian nationalist regime, one that threatens immigration rights, reproductive rights, and the foundation of our democracy as we know it. we have an all-star panel to break all of this down be joining me now is hayes brown, msnbc daily editor and writer. nyu history professor and author of the book "strongmen, mussolini to the present." and danielle moody, host of the "woke tran31" daily podcast. hazel, it is the quote i think we've heard before in different

variations but trump set in this piece when he was asked about americans being worried about his "day one dictator comment." he insisted the opposite. he said, "i think a lot of people like it." >> there are a lot of people like that idea. they like the idea of a president who is willing to go in and do whatever it takes to right the wrongs of the country as they see it. the problem is multiple. first, the fact that he's talking about things that are not legal, they are not within the power or purview of the president to do under federal law, under just the constitution. he's talking about things that would completely break the norms and traditions of the presidency even further than when he was in office. but, he is correct in that he's channeling something that is out there amongst the american people. this desire to fix things, to make things better, the same sort of rhetoric that you saw from him during his first

inauguration, only i can fix it idea of the strongmen, of the authoritarian. when his promises can't be delivered upon, that is when things get really scary because he has to have someone to blame. >> ruth, we have talked about this. you posted this in response to the piece saying "trump has been conditioning americans for years to desire authoritarian rule with him as a dictator." unlike 2016, trump is brazenly being autocratic in his desires. he is speaking so openly about it that it is almost ridiculous that if he is reelected and he does institute these authoritarian measures or becomes a dictator, which i believe he will that anyone can point to this and say we didn't know, what does his increased confidence tell us about where we are as a culture right now? >> tells us he has been extremely successful in

marketing dictatorship to people, marketing violence is something positive but marketing people who fought in january 6th as heroes. they even have their own sacred ham. he has marketed foreign dictators to us as we stars like xi jinping and this is going on hundreds of times and so his conditioning americans. he is a marketer and a propagandist. he has conditioned americans to see authoritarian leaders as superior and also democracy is failing, democracy is anarchic, corrupt. elections as corrupt as they happen in a democracy. so, all of this is a great work of emotional and psychological conditioning of americans and it is paying off right now. >> i have to ask you about the contradiction that is so

visible in trump's positions. i don't think most americans, certainly not his followers, would even pick up on it. on one hand, you have trump talking about states rights. when it comes to abortion, in the very same interview, he's talking about wanting to override states and send in the national guard in cities possibly without the governor's request. how do you make sense of that? >> you don't make sense of it because the point is confusion and chaos. that is what this, this is what donald trump wants and this is what he has been softening up the american people for for the last several years. it is true out of the rule of law. it is vital and can fix this. it is all of these things that have us believe that our democracy doesn't work. it is lying about the rise of violence in our cities so that the meeting national guard. then you see in new york, we have the national guard that are at subway stations and so it feeds into the sphere of cities taking over, of people, of children being coerced by liberal education so we have to ban the books.

it is all of these little things donald trump has been doing over the last 7 to 8 years that people that have had so much thrown at them, steve bannon said flood the zone. that is what they've been doing. we are so overwhelmed with fear, with anxiety. by the time the election rolls around, if democrats are not smart, if they are not replaying all of these things, people only pay attention about a month, maybe two months before an election, we are talking about this article that is about six months before people decided to vote. so, we have to pay attention to the fact that donald trump has been meeting the republic of this democracy like go and stretching as far as it can go. >> we will have to have a collective memory longer than a second when it comes to what donald trump has been telling us for the past several years all the way up until election

day, hayes. it has been enabled by republicans. if you look back to 2016, some might say you had at the time people like marco rubio, ted cruz willing to talk against donald trump before the kind of basically kissed the ring. now you have republicans like adam kinzinger and liz cheney who have been ostracized from the party, marginalized, have no weight within the party whatsoever and he is being enabled by the gop. >> absolutely. the fact that he has managed to install his preferred leaders at the republican national committee, the fact that he has threatened anyone who could stand against them with the primary from the right to sick the mop on him via social media, but be real here. this is not the files encourage. even those who would, you don't agree with him, don't want to see him become like an absolute dictator of america, they are unwilling to speak up.

the fact that it has been seven, eight years since 2016, the fact that it, he's had the time and more importantly, the people who have been around and have had time to see who he is, what he can do and i feel like the people we are talking about, not necessarily the lawmakers who are bald and the voters will still keep their seats. the ones like stephen miller, who have seen what he can do for them and their agenda and have latched onto them, those are the ones we should be most worried about. >> kash patel. >> once saw his way of moving and thought i wanted to move like that. >> imagine seeing trump and taking i want to be a part of whatever this guy is selling. i have to ask you, ruth, trumpeted say he wouldn't seek to overturn or and the constitution's prohibition on a third term. i know in egypt, for example,

there was a president when he came to power is at the same thing. i believe he is now serving his fourth term of a second term, do you buy that or is this him trying to play it safe at the campaign trail like he does on abortion? >> if he comes in, he's never going to leave. what they are doing now, if you combine what he's saying with 2025, these enablers if they blueprint for authoritarian rule. "an accidental need for the aggressive use of the vast powers of the executive branch." the idea that authoritarianism, the central idea is the executive overwhelms any checks on him so he can do whatever he wants and also is able to commit crimes and commit violence without being held accountable. what is really scary is donald trump will never leave is by

signaling to the police saying they should have immunity, he is preparing the worst elements in society, the lawless, to be his security forces and to be with him. if he does decide not to accept the election, which he's hinting at and then decides never to leave later on, he's got all these thugs who have become a civilian army, paramilitary, whatever the formations are going to be alone with what we already have . that is what most concerns me. >> one that trump doesn't really see a problem monitoring women's agencies, what do you think ? it is a page out of "the handmaid's tale." >> it is terrifying. i think every woman, every person with a uterus should be absolutely terrified. again, it is not going to stop. you are going to monitor women's panties, you are going to monitor their menstrual

cycles. all of a sudden, you are going to monitor their travel. why are you leaving the state, where are you going on vacation, all these things are about control and people have to understand exactly what ruth is saying. he says he's not going to ask for a third term or stay for a third term. donald trump becomes president again and he has finished the job. the checklist is done. he has seated the supreme court, he has seated the federal court system with the help of mitch mcconnell. everything is in order. the last piece of the puzzle for them, and they have told us in project 2025, the last piece of the puzzle is donald trump seizing the executive branch. then, everything is complete. they have the military, the have the power, they have the courts. the last piece of that is the people of the united states. our election in november is our last chance, it is our last stand against this. otherwise, all bets are off. >> hayes, how alarming is it that trump is teasing political violence again? the way he has reconstituted january 6, he has rebranded them, he has rehabilitated them in the eyes of the extremists.

they were always there but now he's like lisa pete ricketts and he's dangling this political violence in front of the rest of the country again. >> i think we should be worried. i think the fact is that he has not been held accountable for what happened january 6th. therefore, he sees no problem with it. he sees that there is no real downside to saying things like well, i will accept the election if it is fair and i get to decide whether it is for or not. i will encourage people to fight should i decided that it is not fair. that is concerning. i will say one of the few bright spots is that as we've seen in his trial, he has tried to call people out to protest. we haven't seen people answering the call. the question is if after the election he pulls this instance, will he get the same reaction again? will the people who were

willing to go to the capitol on january 6 knowing that a pardon might be on the table should he win, are they going to be willing to do it again? that will be the important question. >> my panel sticking around. we will have a lot more to discuss when we come back. another portion of the interview we must talk about, donald trump's quest for absolute immunity and what he thinks the supreme court's decision could mean for president joe biden. esident jo. ♪ ♪ c'mon, bear. ♪ ♪ ♪ you don't...you don't have to worry... ♪ ♪ be by your side... i'll be there... ♪ ♪ with my arms wrapped around... ♪ deep down, i knew something was wrong. since my fatigue and light-headedness would come and go, i figured it wasn't a big deal. then i saw my doctor and found out i have afib, and that means there's about a 5 times greater risk of stroke. symptoms like irregular heartbeat,

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wooooo! let's go back to that "time" interview in which donald trump opens up about what he will do if he wins in november. he said he would fire u.s. attorneys who refuses order to prosecute someone. trump also wants a special message for her to go after president biden. trump's argument for absolute immunity is clearly flawed based on this interview. he told "time," the supreme court will decide if presidents can face criminal prosecution "if they set a president does not get immunity, then biden, i am sure, will be prosecuted for all of his crimes." basically, trump wants to prosecute biden but also thinks presidents like biden deserve

immunity. you don't have to be a genius to figure out you can't actually have it both ways. once again, trump says the quiet out loud. he believes presidential immunity only works one way. that it only happens when it is convenient for him and his criminal activity. my panel is back with me. ruth, let's start with trump saying he wants to go after biden in that same statement, he also says he doesn't want to hurt him because he has too much respect for the office of president. how ridiculous is that and does he realize the hypocrisy in wanting to prosecute biden get claim presidents should have absolute immunity? >> i find it hard to believe that he doesn't want to hurt biden because not too long ago, he shared a picture of a decal on a pickup truck that showed biden tied up as a hostage, as though he had been a victim of

a coup or some other very bad situation. and, he shared that from his own social account like tacitly approving this idea of biden becoming a hostage. i fail to see, i fail to believe him on that count. but, you know, he is following the authoritarian playbook of trying to get back into office and then having, fixing the judicial system or getting immunity so you can make all your legal troubles go away. this is something that other people in the world, benjamin netanyahu, a lot of, this is part of being a strong man, this is what they do. their biggest fear is to go to jail for their crimes. >> let me ask you about something he is doing, ruth. he's doing it with his allies,

laying the groundwork to restructure the presidency in line with a doctrine called the unitary executive theory that gives a president more power, fewer constraints than what our constitution had initially laid out with the system of separation of powers and checks and balances. how does this align with the rise of other authoritarian figures across the globe you just mentioned? >> you can, some of them, you know, change the constitution. vladimir putin recently amended the constitution. some of them don't have to do that because they, like benito mussolini, he declared a dictatorship and then he gave himself a new title and he passed public security laws claiming that, you know, the nation was needed this in defense of its safety. so, trump would do the same thing. then you need a loyal bureaucracy to back up all of your, to kind of emanate all of your decrees and that is what project 2025 is doing. they have a presidential training academy for politically motivated appointees. they are going to throw away the idea of an apolitical civil servant who is loyal to the

constitution. you have to be loyal to trump. they are setting the stage to accept somebody who has vast powers and will have a dictatorial authority. >> i want to go back to something you said, daniel, a month ago. that was about how he has co- opted the courts and the federal courts and congress. "time" highlighted the courts, the constitution and congress would hopefully keep trump in check. we have heard the have the faith in our institutions are committed before and i guess some people feel confident the system worked back in 2020. to be honest, i think that was a stroke of luck because we had somebody like mike pence, no genius or no anti-trump figure but somebody who probably felt he didn't have the power. it may be different this time around. will they, next time, given how different the landscape, actually be able to withstand

the kind of pressure trump puts on our system? will these institutions hold up? >> no. basically, this is jurassic park right now. they have tested defenses already. they know where the weaknesses are. our institutions right now are like swiss cheese. project 2025 is driving a truck right through them. they have 20,000 people inside of their linked in that are ready on day one in order to turn america into a dictatorship. people have to understand that the rate and speed at which this will happen will make our head spin. the first 100 days of a trump regime will undo 250 years of democracy. i think that what we see here are people saying they want to rely on the institutions because the thought process of undoing our democracy is just that terrifying that they want to believe that there will still be good people in high places. the fact is, there are not. we are seeing this happen at the supreme court with every decision they are coming out with. frankly, project 2025 is free.

the 900 pages are right on their website. it is not something they are doing in the dark or behind a closed curtain. >> you could not say you did not know about it because they are so brazen about how they are doing it and telling us they are going to do it. let me ask you about the people around trump. stephen miller, rick grenell, kash patel. he does not talk about policy. he just speaks about things in these broad generalities, sometimes contradicts himself time and time again. what does that tell you about the people around him and the agendas that they may have, if in fact he comes into a second term and you have these maniacal people in his ear? >> i think what is interesting about that is when you look back at his first term, he brought on people he didn't really know, people who had maybe been in power before, but maybe not and you had like rex tillerson.

>> so called adults in the room. >> exactly. while they did constrain some of his worst instincts, that is not the case in a second term. i think that one of the things that, just to go back to your question, to danielle, about the systems in place, one of the things that was part of the checks and balances system was the idea that each of these people, each of these systems would jealously guard their own power. they did not take into account what would happen if all those interests aligned in the form of one person. so, you have the courts, you have a republican dominated congress, potentially, you have these bureaucrats in the executive all working toward the same purpose. and, all trying to translate what they assume trump's thoughts are and policy and practice and that , i think, is the scariest part. when you have someone who is speaking broadly about what it is he wants, without an ideological agenda, even, just in terms of sheer like what is the most extractive, what is the most medically good thing

for me personally, most personally good thing for me, without any sort of restraints or ability to say no, only working toward what they can assume are his wishes, that is how you get a system that is constantly moving, churning and crashing forward ahead, breaking through rights, breaking through boundaries, trying to please this one person. >> ruth, to our institutions have the reinforcements they need to withstand a second trump term? i think you are muted, ruth. sorry. we lost your audio perhaps. >> i am here. i am here. sorry about that. i wanted to comment about what hayes said. when there is a leader who speaks in generalities and leaves it up to the lackeys around him to

interpret his wishes and then he actually it is called divide and rule, he pits them against each other to be the most loyal and the most beloved and ingermany, this was called working toward the fuhror. everyone competed. it is the logic of all dictatorships. it was called working toward the féhrer. this is why i put trump in my book. his governance style already his first term and has personality matched very closely that of a lot of the other dictators i had been studying from fascism onward. to get to your question about to the institutions, and institutions are made of people and there are bureaucratic cultures that shape what people do. already in his first presidency, we need to look closely. people have a kind of in the

that it wasn't so bad. it was bad. just starting from small things like over a dozen people didn't obey the hatch act. there were many, many guardrails that were broken. then people came in who were more and more corrupt. so, that already had happened. no project 2025, it says he's going to institutionalize trumpism, which is institutionalizing corruption. we have seen how he makes, what authoritarians do is make people become their worst selves . and, that is a very sad thing. authoritarianism asks you not only to betray your neighbor and your community but to betray yourself and we've already seen how many people are willing to do that to be in the glory of trump? >> i was going to say, in addition to making you the worst version of yourself, it would also make the country the

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reportedly moving up on donald trump's list of possible vp. he went on fox to billionaires to endorse trump as the presidential candidate hemorrhages money. >> if you are a billionaire and you care about your shareholders, you care about your family, you care about your grandkids, you should be voting for someone that will bring prosperity to america and peace to the world. that is what president trump's will do, that is what he did for us when he was president. >> you might think doug burgum sounds like he really believes donald trump, right? >> did you ever do business with donald trump? >> i don't think so. >> why? >> i would, i just think that it is important that you are judged by the company you keep. >> noted, governor, thank you very much for that. we will keep that in mind. danielle and hayes are with me again. i will start with you, danielle, who is your pick, ted

cruz or doug burgum? >> you always make it so difficult. i'm going to go with doug burgum. the only reason is because he said, he put shareholders above people's children. that should tell you everything you need to know about this man. he said if you care about your country and your shareholders and then your children. okay. that is my pick. >> tough to beat that one. who are you going to go with questions >> i love that we are calling him cancun ted cruz. that is because he fled to cancun during an ice storm in texas. but, i do, i have to go with doug burgum. i think that the fact that he is so willing to say like, to play the billionaire card, which is not a cartoon lisi played. hey guys, we are all in this together. i really believe in billionaire unity. i think that that is amazing, honestly. >> the republican party still pretends they are the party of the people. then you have people like

begging billionaire doug burgum coming out here and saying he's worried about the shareholders. this is not a party that cares about working-class or poor americans. >> if they are, they are doing a very good job of hiding it. it will be a fun surprise when they pull out a policy that will help working families. >> danielle, i have to ask you. ted cruz backed the bill that reduces the likelihood of the public seeing or interacting with politicians when they fly. i've no idea how in the world that would work. you could probably spot ted cruz from a mile away. they found him in cancun. it's not exactly like his got a disguise. >> is looking for a private jet. let's just be clear. the only way he's not going to be spotted in an airport is if he has a private jet. because they like to surround themselves with billionaires, it is possible. i love when people follow ted cruz around the airport. i think it is a public service. well done. >> let me ask you about the moment from doug burgum.

the reports are he's catching the eye of trump and moving up perhaps the vp list. it is kind of embarrassing because he's sitting here in the corner waving his hands, notice me, boss. i'm ready to hop in and do whatever you need me to do. it's kind of simple, right ? >> is getting more attention now than when he was running for president. that is a jump up for him. was watching during that interview and it did strike me that for all that he does kind of look like a discount eugene levy, he does also have a certain something about him that i think trump could look at and be like yes, central casting. trump is big about appearance. they look like they could be president and vice president. he's got the look to be a trump vice president. i think that is more important to him than most things. if he thinks that i want to, though, will he be threatened by having someone who is an actual billionaire on the ballot with them? >> danielle, what you think about him trying to audition

for this role, do you think he's a serious contender in typical trump fashion, just making him chase after the bone? >> i think he's making him chase after the bone. i don't think donald trump knows who he wants. i am of the camp that i believe he's going to look for a woman. maybe not one that has killed their dog but maybe another woman that he will choose. i think he does like to look right out of central casting. he has been here, he can kind of look tough and he's wealthy. but i think it will be a dog and pony show for a bit. >> i'm going to say one thing as we go to a quick commercial break. if you think it is not going to be nikki haley, keep an eye on ron desantis. ron desantis, who swore off trump, is now willing to get

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israel. then there is, of course, billionaire bill ackman, who, by the way, donated to counterprotest efforts at ucla that turned violent on tuesday night. he recently donated $10,000.00 to a gofundme campaign in support of a group of university of north carolina fred boyce who took down a palestinian flag set up by protesters and replaced it with a u.s. flag. the campaign is to help the fraternity throw "the party they deserve, a party worthy of the boat shoe broletariat who did their country proud." daniel, the hypocrisy of eric adams or bill ackman? >> it is so hard that i'm going to go with bill ackman. one, he paid $10,000.00 in order to have a peaceful protest turned into a violent one. he should be investigated

because that is exactly what he did. that is exactly what he wanted was to see violence take place and he funded it. for that reason, worst of the week. >> who do you have, hayes, the hypocrisy of eric adams and the flag or bill ackman, who is giving money to frat boys? >> i think this one is a tough one. on the one hand, you have eric adams and i think he is, he's trying to harness something that he doesn't really understand. he is putting forward like look at them recently palestinian flag instead of the american flag, it's despicable. yes there's the hypocrisy angle of it all but there's also you don't know what you are talking about angle here that i think we can't really overlook. the nypd and the new york city government has not availed themselves in honor during this whole situation at columbia. on the other hand, bill ackman

putting money, the amount for this gofundme is about $400,000.00. something ridiculous like that. he chipped in $10,000.00. the fact that they are, it's going to be bill ackman. the fact that he's willing to put this money into something as ridiculous as this, as opposed to actually helping anyone. if you wanted to put that money, even if it was to say i'm going to give this money to israelis, to the families of the people whose family members are still hostages. that i would not entirely agree with but at least it would make more sense than donating money so frat boys can buy your. >> and throw some kind of party. i don't know if you saw this. earlier in the week, fox host rachel campos-duffy, former cast member on "the real world," expressed outrage over paul pelosi for receiving the presidential medal of freedom.

>> maybe he needs the hammer instead of the metal. >> i have no idea how to respond to that. that was probably one of the lowest things i have seen on fox news and that says something. what do you think about that, daniel? >> it is like when we think they go to the gutter. they keep going down. it is despicable. it is disgusting and they should be ashamed. you can't shame the devil. i don't know what to say to people like that that make fun of violence and abuse and what they do is that of the egg on people that listen to them to say that this is okay. and, we will celebrate you. >> getting that on a short, fox fracking to hell will sell. what do you think of that comment by fox? >> i think that it is not surprising that is saddening.

i think it doesn't shock me and i feel like it should. the fact that you have someone who was brutally attacked and, i mean, on one level, look through the list of who trump gave the presidential medal of freedom to. i wish i had the wikipedia in front of me. it is a lot. to mark someone who was violently attacked just because of they were a politician spouse, it should shock me but it is just another saturday night here. >> hayes brown, daniel moody, thank you for sticking around and doing the worst of the week with us. next up, an affluent community in louisiana is racially segregated itself. we will tell you how that was allowed, next. allowed, next. [ bell rings ] and surprise flash deals. all way day long! wayday ends soon. shop wayfair's biggest sale now through may 6th.

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