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palestinian protesters at another university. we'll look back at an infamous anti-war protest that turned deadly 54 year ago today. usc professor christina balentoni and michael beslash join me to talk about the lessons of kent state. and sarah jacobs is here to discuss the latest political fallout over the protests. hope hicks, one of donald trump's closest advisers offers emotional and damning testimony in his trial. and the queen of chaos. marjorie taylor greene prepares to force a vote on ousting mike johnson. should democrats help save his life? i'm jonathan capehart.

this is the saturday show. student protests against the israel hamas war continue to royal campuses as universities grapple with how to handle disruptions at upcoming graduation ceremonies. just hours ago, tensions escalated at the university of virginia after police began removing an encampment near the chapel grounds that had been in place nine days. officials say the situation is now stabilized. though police are still on the scene. and this morning a group of pro palestinian demonstrators briefly interrupted the university of michigan's commencement. but no arrests were reported. so far, more than 2400 people have been arrested or detained on dozens of college campuses including hundreds of arrests at ucla and columbia university where police in riot gear cleared out protesters. and now, new nbc reporting reveals columbia university is

reassessing its commencement plans following security concerns over the protests. on thursday, president biden publicly addressed the demonstrations and those concerns for the first time. >> dissent is essential to democracy but it must never lead to disorder or deny the rights of others as students try to complete their college educations. it is a matter of fairness. a matter of what's right. there's the right to protest. but not the right to cause chaos. >> those words ring urgent as the country marks a somber anniversary today that reminds us of a big fear surrounding these nationwide protests. the potential for violence. 54 years ago today, at kent state university, members of the ohio national guard opened fire into a crowd of demonstrators who were protesting the expansion of the vietnam war into cambodia. four students were killed and

nine others were injured. the shootings sent shock waves across the country and came to symbolize the deep cultural and political divisions of the time. but the protests at kent state were part of a much larger anti- war movement on college campuses that had been building momentum for years. on april 30th, 1968, at columbia university, police forcibly arrested nearly 700 students who had taken over five campus buildings including hamilton hall. in addition to opposing the vietnam war, the students were also protesting racism against african americans. exactly 56 years later, april 30, 2024, at columbia university, police arrested more than 100 people after pro palestinian protesters broke in and occupied hamilton hall. protester was heard saying, shouting, quote, let's finish what they did in 1968.

one nypd officer accidentally fired his gun inside the building. luckily, there were no students in the immediate vicinity and no one was injured. while parallels are obvious, there are notable differences. during the vietnam war, students were protesting, the students who were protesting faced the real possibility of being drafted into the conflict. some students likely had already lost family and friends to the war which claimed more than 58,000 american lives. today, pro palestinian protesters are speaking out against the divisive conflict on the other side of the world and they do not face the risk of going to war. will the movement face momentum beyond this school year? one student told the washington post activists are making plans for the future saying quote no one plans on leaving this

summer. joining me now, christina balentoni director of the usc media center. and michael beshlas, nbc news presidential historian. he is the author of presidents of war. thank you both very much for coming. to the saturday show. christina, we are still seeing action on campuses but with graduations coming and school out for the summer, i ask you, will the movement be able to sustain momentum? what have you heard from students? >> every college campus is a little different. at usc, you have probably a few hundred with an encampment. they haven't occupied any buildings. we are anticipating a likely clearing by lapd today. my student journalist i oversee are out there covering this today and are the only press allow today witness what is going on because our campus is

closed to outside visitors so that is an important point i like to point out. the students we have talked to, i talked to some personally. what the students are reporting, many of them say they will stake around. a lot of them have plans to go home for the summer. so you will see a dispersement. you will not see people come in and start camping that are not usc students. i will say that a lot of these students are actually from the areas affected. we have many students who have said they lost family members in gaza and we have a lot of students with connections to the terrorist attack october 7th. there are a lot of deep feelings and pain. commencementis friday. >> according to university officials, roughly 30% of the protesters arrested at hamilton hall at columbia had no

affiliation with the school. have you been seeing an influx of outsiders on your campus? >> every day it has been a little different. a week-and-a-half ago, there were 93 arrests of that number. 53 were students. we know there were some faculty as well. right now outside guests are not allowed on campus. these are students, many of them studying for their finals while they are out there in the tents and the numbers have dropped. >> michael, how do the demonstrations compare to the anti-war movements in the 60s and what lessons should today's leaders take from what happened at kent state 54 years ago today? >> the lesson from kent state is never use military force to try to stop demonstration that is peaceful. the national guard troops sent

in, four killed, five wounded. it was a national tragedy. and even richard nixon who was the one who would wage that invasion of cambodia that caused this protest. he had enough of a heart that he went into what looks like an emotional breakdown. could not sleep. got up at 4:00 in the morning before dawn, called for his car, went to the lincoln memorial and tried to engage the students by talking about sports. didn't work too well. but it showed nixon was not entirely stone faced. >> let me get you on one more thing. how concerned are you that this will go the way of the 1968 democratic convention in chicago? >> well, i'm old enough to have actually been living around chicago when that occurred as a boy. but, i remember those national guard helicopters flying overhead. and the fact that richard nixon

and his people rejoiced when that convention dissolved into violence and police were beating up protesters and it looked as if the democratic nominee and his vice president could not exercise any kind of control. and nixon rubbed salt on the wound by going in a motorcade in chicago. only about a week or two later which was entirely peaceful and the message was clear he was trying to say make me president. i can restore law and order. that election was won by 400 popular votes. without that convention, nixon would not have been elected. >> i want you to listen to what bernie sanders said on cnn this week. listen. >> i am thinking back and other people are making this reference. that this may be biden's

vietnam. lynden johnson was in many respects a good president. he chose not to run in 68 because of opposition for his views on vietnam. >> both christina and i said wow, those are strong words. you agree with senator sanders' assessment? >> to the ex-tent that the protest is heartfelt and widespread. we don't know if it will last through the summer or much longer. to that respect there is a parallel with the vietnam war for something that lasted nine years. and that protest, i hate to say it, but student protests basically began to ebb away when the graph of young americans was canceled the draft was canceled and students were not as much at risk.

there were further protests but they never had the energy that they did at the time the young americans were at risk of being sent off to vietnam. >> last question for you, this might be an incredibly proud moment for you. you have student journalists providing around the clock coverage. at times doing so under threat of violence. and being arrested. talk about how critical it is that student journalists are informing the nation about what's happening. >> in our case, they are the only ones allowed on campus informing news outlets of what's happening. this is no better training right? you don't usually see your

peers arrested on live television. the daily bruin at ucla where the students not only did incredible coverage, but four of them were assaulted in some counterprotests and are facing very serious threats. it is difficult time to be a journalist anyway, but for it is these students and their peers, the main ceremony of graduation canceled, it's a lot to process. we encourage them to ask questions. to start with facts. to report what you see. and really bear witness of what could be a moment that echoes in history books. >> thank you both very much for coming to the saturday show. coming up, courtroom drama. emotional testimony from donald trump's former top aide hope hicks in his hush money election interference trial. we will look at some key take

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the second week of testimony in donald trump's hush money election interference trial ended on a dramatic note with hope hicks, former aide, crying during cross-examination. she is the first member of his inner circle to testify. charges he has repeatedly denied. trump was white house communications director in his administration. but hicks told the jury her professional relationship with trump ended in 2022. the same year she sat for an interview with the house's january 6th select committee. she informed the jury she is paying for her own attorney.

hicks confirmed a key part of the manhattan district attorney's case. saying, quote, trump said he spoke to michael cohen and michael had paid this woman to protect him from a false allegation. she says trump told her cohen acted on his own when he paid off stormy daniels but hicks testified that cohen didn't seem like the charitable type. hicks went onto say about trump, quote, he wanted to know how it was playing. and just my thoughts and opinions for this story versus having a different kind of story before the election had mr. cohen not made that payment. i think mr. trump's opinion was it was better to be dealing with it now and it would have been bad to have that story come out before the election.

went rogue. she said coat michael cohen liked to call himself a fixer or mr. fix-it and only because he first broke it. joining me now, msnbc legal analyst. joins us now. her new book is attack from within. howdies information is sabotaging america. barb, thank you. as always for comeing to the saturday show. am i making too much of hope hicks saying on the stand, quote, i think mr. trump's opinion was it was better to be dealing with it now and it would have been bad to have that story come out before the election? that seems to get at the election interference argument. the prosecution has been making or am i making too much of it? >> i think you are absolutely right. i think it is no surprise this came right at the end of her testimony.

as soon as the prosecutors heard those words come out of her mouth, they sat down and said we are done here. everything she said was leading up to that point. describing her role with the campaign. what she did. the request they were getting from the press. how they dealt with it before and after the election. and this idea it was a good thing we dealt with it when we did is evidence that is prosecution will use in their closing argument to say this is what motivated these payments and this is all part of that same conspiracy you heard about through david pecker that began in august of 2015. >> like many people who have taken the stand, hope hicks showered criticism on michael cohen. is this a deliberate strategy on the part of the prosecution? >> it may be. i think that one of the things that prosecutors like to do is just draw the sting of anything bad in their case. no case is perfect. but there are bad facts in

every case. it is better from the prosecution strategy to be the ones yourselves to out the bad facts so they don't come out as some big surprise later. so i think it is likely. and the prosecutors will ultimately say you don't have to like michael cohen. you have to decide whether the whole story, testimony and corroborating evidence makes sense to you. we didn't choose michael cohen. donald trump did. >> hope hicks testified at length about the access hollywood tape calling it a quote crisis for trump's campaign. what was the significance of that part of her testimony? >> it provides the incentive for donald trump to do what he is alleged to have done. to silence these additional allegations by karen mcdougal and stormy daniels right at the same time. his campaign is really foundering at this moment this comes out because of information there of the recording disparaging to women.

so if at the very same time, voters now hear about stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, that could have been the final nail in the coffin. to fulfill this conspiracy david pecker talked about. >> hicks said she didn't remember attending the 2015 meeting where they asked david pecker to sway the election. does that ding david credibility at all? >> i don't think so. she didn't say it didn't happen. she just doesn't remember being there. that goes back to events that happened nine years ago. people's memories differ on different details. as long as the jury believes the gist of the story. >> i got less than a minute,

but i have two questions for you, first, what impact might hicks crying on the stand and her body language have on the jury? >> you know, it's hard to say. testifying in court is a very intense experience. and so sometimes people break down. but it seems show broke downright after that money line that we just discussed about how important it was that the story didn't come out before the election. so it seemed one theory maybe that she just felt very badly that she knew she had delivered testimony that was devastating to donald trump's case. >> and in one of his hallway rants, trump claimed he wouldn't be able to testify because of the gag order and judge merchan corrected him right quick on that one. is trump starting to lay the ground work to get out of the assertion he would testify on his own behalf? >> 100%. saying that he wishes he could testify in court but he can't because of the gag order. number one, not true.

the gag order only relates to statements made outside of court. donald trump is absolutely free to speak inside of court and i thought judge merchan did a good job of making sure the record was corrected in that way. but i would be stunned if donald trump testifies. but i think it would be convenient for him to say i wish i could testify but i couldn't because someone else made it impossible for me to do so. >> you and i, he ain't going to testify. barbara, thank you very much, as always, for coming to the saturday show. and still to come, the political fall-out from thecampus protests and the lingering debate over how to protect free speech while deterring anti-semitism. congresswoman sarah jacobs joins me live to discuss. joins started disrupting my day. td felt embarrassing. i felt like disconnecting. i asked my doctor about treating my td, and learned about ingrezza.

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capitol hill. the house passed the anti- semitism awareness act aimed at cracking down on antisemitic acts. the bill's critics including six jewish lawmakers say it's a serious threat to free speech. the legislation is based on the international holocaust remembrance alliance's definition of anti-semitism. according to the organization, it is antisemitic to call israel a racist state or compare israeli officials to nazis. but the lead drafter of that definition of anti-semitism has urged congress not to codify it into law. he writes it was never intended to be weaponnized to muzzle campus free speech. and, the house's longest serving jewish member congressman jerry nadler of new york made the same argument slamming the anti-semitism awareness act as an attack on the first amendment. >> i devoted much of my life to combating anti-semitism and i'm

as attuned to anyone as threats and bigotry. speech critical of israel alone does not constitute discrimination alone. >> an joining me now is another jewish lawmaker who voted against the bill. sarah jacobs of california. she is a member of the house democratic steering and policy committee. it is nice to see you again. thank you for coming to the saturday show. why did you vote against the bill? >> yeah. look. as a jewish person, i, like millions of jews around the world, have experienced anti- semitism myself. i have been called slurs. i can't tell you how many jokes have been made about my frizzy hair and my big nose. and, it is very clear that anti- semitism is on the rise and that is a very significant threat. but at the same time, i think

it is incredibly important that we recognize what actually is antisemitic and i do not believe that anti-zionism is inherently antisemitic. this bill will not keep jewish students safe. it will sweep in so many of the non-violent protesters on campus and penalize and hurt free speech on campus and everywhere else. >> so, congresswoman, i'm glad you brought up the difference between antizionism and anti- semitism. for the folks out there trying to understand what this is, what is, how would you explain the difference between anti- semitism and anti-zionism. >> that's a very good question. so zionism is the idea that the jewish people should have a homeland. and it is premised on the ideology that nation states are

based on people's nations having state hood. and the idea that anti-zionism is antisemitic is premised on the idea that the jewish people are the only people for whom this idea is questioned. and i do understand people who feel that way. but you know, i work in international conflict resolution all over the world and i can tell you that it simply is not the case. just in the middle east, you have the kurds, in europe, you have bast country, catalon. there are many places in africa like the ebo people. who whether or not they should get a state is contested so to me the idea it is only the jewish people who are having this concept questioned for is just not actually accurate with what we see in the world. and that is why i don't believe

it is inherently an antisemitic thing to question. >> you know congresswoman, as we know, republicans on both chambers say there is a clear solution to the campus demonstrations. listen. here's what needs to happen. number one is we need to stop funding these universities. >> if they don't want to do something to address this, well then, kiss your federal funding good-bye. >> so, congresswoman, what does that signal to you about the republicans' focus on anti- semitism? >> well, first of all, look. i think it is clear there is a real rise of anti-semitism on campus and i have heard from many jewish students who don't feel safe. but i think it is also clear that these republicans have been trying to cut funding for higher education in general for many years and this is just the latest thing that they are trying to politicize to get their end goal.

and frankly, politicizing this anti-semitism is not actually keeping jewish students safe. i would argue it is making jewish students less safe. there are very real things we should and can be doing to protect jewish students on campus. such as fully funding and implementing the national strategy to counter anti- semitism that the biden administration has put out. such as fully funding the office of civil rights at the department of education. so that if someone feels like their rights have been impinged on campus, we have the ability to investigate that and remediate it. this bill won't do in of those things. all it will do is sweep in lots and lots of speech that should be protected and is protected. into a definition that is not even agreed upon by the majority of mainstream jews and jewish organizations across the

country. >> quickly, we are out of time. but i do just want to get to you a speech on anti-semitism. what would you like to hear from him? >> i know that president biden has been a strong advocacy for the jewish community. i hope he leans into the national strategy to counter anti-semitism that he put out and this space we need to carve out between anti-semitism and legitimate criticism of the policies of the government of israel. >> congresswoman sarah jacobs of california, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. up next, congressional chaos. marjorie taylor greene pushes to remove mike johnson who may need help from democrats to keep his job. california congresswoman nanette baragon is here to talk about this and more. you're watching the saturday

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next week, i will be calling this motion to vacate. absolutely calling it. i can't wait to see democrats goes go out and support a republican speaker. i don't give a rat's ass about what anyone thinks about what i'm doing. i care about the people of this country. >> oh the language. that was perpetually peeved marjorie taylor greene on holding a vote to oust mike johnson. her comments came a day after house democratic leaders said they would vote to table or dismiss her motion to remove the speaker. by making either one of those moves, democrats would effectively kill her motion to vacate even if more republican lawmakers support her. but, make no mistake about it. chaos still reigns supreme in the republican controlled house and speaker johnson may not always have democrats willing

to rescue him from the extreme right. they will standby him against mtg on this one. annette baragon joins us from california. chair, thank you very much for coming to the saturday show. >> thank you. >> do you standby the house democratic leader? >> vote your conscience. there are some members saying this is the most anti-lgbtq plus speaker in american history. i don't want to be that person to save them. some people are saying he is mr. election denier. he is for white christian nationalism and wants more churches involved so there is that set of people who said i'm not going to help. i'm not going to do anything. and there are other folks who feel look, he did the right

thing with the ukraine aid. let's not give any more coverage to the joke of marjorie taylor greene. she is not there for the american people. she is not there to get anything done. she just want it is drama. that is what we are trying to move past. >> what camp are you? >> well, we'll have to see how it goes. i kind of lean in the first camp. and the end of the day, we need to make sure we need to move onto govern. we have a lot of other things to do. we need to make sure we have access to snap benefits. >> i want to get confirmation. am i right in my reporting. anyone who makes this move after that, we will do it on a case by case basis. >> this is a one time just move

past this and take it out of this story. out of her. >> so let's switch gears and talk about this time magazine profile of donald trump this week. the article says he plans and i'm quoting here, to launch a massive deportation operation that would target millions of people and he would rely mostly on the national guard to round up and remove undocumented migrants he says quote are not civilians. and he says that as a way of justifying the use of the military inside the united states. your reaction to that? >> this should sound the alarm bell for everybody. especially latinos. trump is the number one enemy to latinos. believe it when he says he will be a dictator day one. people were already scared in the first term. who were citizens. who said is he going to reverse my citizenship? he will go out, have the national guard, deport them. and it could be citizens. and they would just be collateral damage. we have got to make sure

everybody knows about his plan because i know the american people when you do the polling they don't want this. they want border enforcement paired with pathways to citizenship. what do we see biden just do yesterday? just yesterday, he said we will give daca recipients, our neighbors, nurses, doctors, and friends that have been here, we will give them access to the affordable care act. those are the right things to do. to support our immigrant communities and folks who have been here all their lives. trump is going to deport them. he is going to cause chaos. he is going to have to build detention camps. massive detention camps with no regard for the law. so it is a real threat. >> what did you make of this other unbelievable thing in the time magazine? prosecute those who violate abortion bans? >> that's huge.

we know abortion is a huge issue on the ballot. who are the folks being impacted by these abortion rules? a lot of them are latina women and women of color. they are disproportionately impacted. so imagine women knowing that the president is authorizing government to follow your pregnancy. prosecute you if you are breaking the law trying to get an abortion. it's a scary concept. abortion is about freedom. this is a trump presidency that will take away your freedoms. it will threaten democracy as we know it. >> the issue is on the ballot. what will be on the ballot in november a in eight states. will that go to the democrats' benefit? >> absolutely. we have seen it happen in places like kentucky, michigan, and other places where they said no, this will be the issue i think will help mobilize people. but there's a lot more that will help mobilize people as well. >> all right, congresswoman

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didn't grow up like me. they have no idea what it is like to struggle. we have to get washington back on the side of working people. i know we can do better. for me, this is personal. >> former democratic congresswoman mander jones is running in a closely watched congressional race in new york that may help determine control of the u.s. house. he is looking to make a political comeback by asking republican congressman like lawler. he first made history in 2020 being the first two out gay black men elected to congress. after one term, and facing redistricting, he decided to run for reelection in new york's 10th district. that campaign was cut short after a loss to former federal prosecutor daniel goldman in the 2022 primary. now, mondaire jones is ready to flip his former seat back to blue. joining me now is democratic candidate for congress in new

york's 17th district. former congressman mondaire jones, congressman jones, welcome back to the saturday show. it's been two years. why are you running again? >> jonathan, it's great to be with you and to be with your viewers. i'm running because for me, policy is personal. most everything we see in the house of representatives, i know what it is like to struggle and we need more people in congress who understand the pain working people are feeling including the people most importantly in my congressional district. and the 17th congressional district. new york's lower hudson valley. as proud as i am of the work we did last term when democrats had to gavel, capping the cost of prescription drugs so next year, no one on medicare will pay more than $2,000 out of pocket for prescriptions or bringing hundreds of millions of dollars for schools, housing, and health care to my congressional district as a

freshman member of congress, i know that our work is unfinished and it has to include codifying roe v. wade. protecting the affordable care act which is what donald trump and my republican opponent want to repeal. >> uh-huh. speak of your republican opponent, in the first quarter of 2024, you raised more money than him. and congressman like lawler called your record quote radical and dangerous. so what sets you apart? >> i grew up in section 8 housing and on food stamps and my opponent is a former oil and gas lobbyist who got elected to congress and has proceeded to act like an oil and gas lobbyist. he opposes the inflation reduction act so he would have seniors pay more and not less. he supports donald trump for the third consecutive presidential cycle. he was actually a convention delegate for him in 2016.

got paid to help him get reelected in 2020. and now recently had to admit that he is supporting him for the third time. this is someone who has been charged with 88 felony counts. and who incited a violence insurrection at the capital. this is a guy mike lawler who says he is a law and order republican so i think it is really important that people pay attention to what he does and what he says when the television cameras are on. i used to represent 73% of the disastrous redistricting. and where democrats frankly on paper outnumber republicans by 80,000. when i speak to republicans, independents, and democrats, they want the chaos to stop. and there is no way that the maga republican majority gets the gavel taken away from them. if we don't defeat mike lawler here in a district where he

only won by 820 votes. >> congressman jones, if you win back the seat against congressman like lawler, what is your first priority? >> the first priority has to be making sure we codify roe v. wade and rescue our democracy. we are staring at a situation where there is not a democratic majority in january. republicans may not certify a joe biden victory. it was really important that we have adults in the room. we have to do more than that. we have to secure our border. we have to make sure we are banning assault weapons so kids can stop getting gunned down in schools around the country and we have to the lower the cost

of prescription drugs. >> i asked for one priority and you gave me four. thank you very much for comeing to the saturday show. good luck on the campaign trail. by the way, we did reach out to congressman mike lawler and invited him to come on the show. we have not yet heard back. and we'll be back with more of the saturday show. saturday sho. after advil: let's dive in! but...what about your back? it's fineeeeeeee! [splash] before advil: advil dual action fights pain two ways. advil targets pain at the source, acetaminophen blocks pain signals. advil dual action. can neuriva support your brain health? mary, janet, hey!! (thinking: eddie, no frasier, frank... frank?) fred! how are you?! fred... fuel up to 7 brain health indicators, including your memory. join the neuriva brain health challenge. (woman) ugh, of course it stops loading at the best part. (tony hale) you need verizon. get their crazy powerful network out here, including your memory. and get six months of disney bundle on them!

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19 americans are the new resip yens of the nation's highest civilian honor. an emotional ceremony yesterday. president biden bestowed the medal of freedom on civil rights lawyer clarence b. jones. one of dr. martin luther king jr. 's closest advisers and smuggled a letter out of the birmingham jail. another, metger evers who was gunned down in his driveway in 1963. he was remembered for his relentless quest for racial justice. tonight, you can learn more about him and his wife and fellow activist merly evers. watch joy reid and rachel maddow live at the apollo where they will discuss her best

selling book. that is tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern and streaming on peacock. that will do it for me. thank you for watching. be sure to watch tomorrow. tune in tomorrow to the sunday show. when congressman robert garcia and congresswoman maxine waters joins me to talk about donald trump's latest alarming revelations about what he plans if elected to a second term. plus, former dc metropolitan police officer discusses trump's assertion he considered pardoning all the january 6th insurrectionists. storm at 6:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. remember to follow us on x, instagram, tiktok, threads, using the handle at weekend capehart. you can catch clips of the show on youtube and listen to every episode of the show for free. scan the qr code on your screen. r code on your screen. she hugged me. she said she was sorry. and i burst did in tears.