it's about the one life that could be saved. >> they are dreams madison shares with his mother when he goes to visit her grave. she is buried right next to his dad. >> you are visiting her grave, but he's five feet away or less. >> i have forgiven him for what he's done, i can't come to the point where i will visit his grave like i do my moms. >> what do you say to your mom when you go? >> i'm sorry. i love her. that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm andrea canning, thank you for watching. good morning and welcome to the sunday edition of morning joe weekend. it was another fast moving news

week. here are some of the conversations you just might have missed. donald trump will not commit to accepting the results of the 2024 election. in an interview with the milwaukee journey sentinel, the 2020 election was stolen from him. so, we talked about this yesterday and we were so, i think the word is, shook. that we have decided to go back in way deeper -- oh, this is a new one, according to alex. so this is the "new york times." when asked about this november, he said quote, if everything is honest, i'll gladly accept the results. i don't change on that. if it's not, you have to fight for the right of the country. >> this is the milwaukee journal. and richard, people across the world look to the united states and have always looked up to

the united states, donald trump certainly changed that in many ways, but january 6th, as you have always said to me. it just shook our neighbors, just like it shook us. now you have him once again, a guy who is a favorite in a lot of polls saying, i will not accept the results of the election unless i win. >> today, it's the milwaukee sentinel. >> the hall marks of american democracy, was the peaceful transfer of power. when the former president and the guy who maybe beat him, drive down pennsylvania avenue, and you have the peaceful transfer. what a great demonstration that is, of commitment to democracy, the rule of law, to accepting the norm. donald trump has done two things. i only accept it if i win. and second of all, the threat of political violence. that's out there. we have 75 days between

election day and inauguration. that's when january 6th happened last time. that's the precarious moment for our democracy. not only distracts us, but imagine what our foes will think, if we are having a contested situation, and we are literally have a return of political violence, or imagine, joe, you have several governors or state legislators saying, we don't actually agree with that. we're going to send this set of electors to washington. >> right. >> we could have that this time. >> and donnie, that's the thing. the system did hold last time. the courts held last time. the state legislatures held last time. but you know, just like the time piece yesterday suggested, donald trump and people around him are figuring out how to subvert democracy if he doesn't win. let me say that slowly so his apollists, who will write this

in an oh ed. p-ed. they don't suggest, they say he will subvert democracy if he doesn't win and if he does win, it will be worse. he will subvert democracy more. he will fire prosecutors who will not arrest his political opponents. he said it. >> he says what he's going to do. what he's going to do to your point, joe, is have the fcc report to him. he will be able to control things like this. he wants to bring the insurrection act back, so he can turn military on his own people. the justice department to go after his enemies. he wants to put women on the registry. >> hold on one second. so, what you just said, somebody out in the trump, sort of stratosphere, will put on a

website and say look at donnie freaking out. that's the ploy. that's the lie. i will say, i love the wall street journal editorial page. i disagree with him a lot. but they will have people like writing op-eds. take what you just said and lie to their readers. they lie to their readers and say, look at the media. and i've read more of this. the media going, are being hyper bolic. all you're doing is repeating words. when we repeat his words. when i repeat his words as a conservative. i think you found out, i'm a conservative. live by the law, when it's on college campuses, whether it's at the border, or you're president of the united states that lost an election. live by the law. right? i'm a conservative, right? you're a liberal.

traditional liberal. now call add moderate. >> ouch. ouch. >> now called a moderate. i didn't say progressive. but you're a traditional liberal. and we just read the words on the page. we report it. but the trump right and the trump media will say, donnie is losing his mind. they have trump -- >> i deal with it every day. >> what did you just say? >> i just use his words. i just talked about, if he wins. if he loses, he will tell people to take to the streets with violence. he is telling you. he's telling us. so if he wins, we're in trouble. if he loses, we're in trouble. >> the comments following time magazine whether he is concerned about violence stemming from the outcome of this year's vote. especially if he doesn't win. he answered quote, if we don't win, you know, it depends. it depends on the fairness of an election. >> are you worried about

violence? every political person that loves this country would have said, to answer that, and look throughout history would say, no, i'm not worried about violence, because i'm going to speak out against violence and my people will not be violent. we will accept the results of the election. everybody says that. donald trump is now saying, it depends. maybe we'll be violent. maybe. >> saying it depends, saying his reaction is based on whether this is a fair election. but who determines what is fair? he does. he is spelling out, i believe. i will decide if it's fair. i will decide how i will respond to violence. as someone that is running to be the head of state again, to say it depends, at this kind of instability, we can't afford to have. no matter who the candidates are. can you imagine anywhere else

in the world this would happen, we would be denouncing that person that is trying to be head of state and here we have it right here and reacting like this is a normal race where you have one person in the race that could win. >> right. >> saying if i determine it's fair, it's fair. if i don't, it's not. and violence, it depends on what i say. this is not what this country is supposed to be about. we shouldn't tolerate it. >> there's a stereotype of the trump voter, the media does. people are stumbling drunk out of their, you know, trailer park and you know, shooting raccoons or something like that. no. it's bankers. it's lawyers. it's people with advanced degrees. this is something ann brought out in her book, the twilight of democracy. which is, the elites make this possible. think about all the billionaires. oh, i'll never vote for trump.

yeah, i'll vote for donald trump. they know this. they read this. they read what donald trump says, that there's going to be mass deportation. he is going to force prosecutors to arrest political enemies. he going to execute generals that don't follow his commands. he is able to use seal team six to execute political opponents and you can't arrest me for that. you can go down the list. he is going to be a dictator from day one. he will terminate the constitution. on and on, they heard all of this. they heard what they said to time magazine a couple of days ago. it is a dark vision of america and these people, these educated people with advanced degrees are the ones saying yeah, i'll support donald trump again. thinking, oh, maybe my investments, or maybe he won't

tax me 3%. not understanding that this is not just a threat to democracy, but this is a threat to capitalism. >> we'll be right back with much more, morning joe.

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the house passed a bipartisan bill that would establish a wider definition of antisemitism. amid protests at universities across the country. we've been covering some of that live this morning. the legislation would give the department of education broader powers to crack down on antisemitism on college campuses. it also requires the department to use the definition of antisemitism put forward by the international holocaust remembrance alliance, when enforcing antidediscrimination laws. tony is here to talk more about this. the former isreali special

envoy for combating antisemitism. best selling author, noah tishby, and creator of the antiracial digital series, uncomfortable conversations with a black man, best selling author, emmanuel acho. they are coauthors of the new book, perfect timing, uncomfortable conversations with a jew, that's the title. good to have you both. >> great to be here. >> thank you for coming back. talk about this book. talk about where it began. >> well, it began two years ago. after writing uncomfortable conversations with a black man, i realized very simply put, we would all be better as a society if we didn't fight in silos. black people fighting for the black. what if the white community fought along the black community? what if we identified the common enemy, which is hate? i actually reached out to noah prior to october 7th, we've

been penning this book for a long time. with education, i believe comes empathy, and noa said yes. >> emmanuel noticed the rise in antisemitism from the black community way before a lot of people did. he was like, wait a minute. i'm a black man, i don't want to speak for you in that context. he said, i noticed this when jewish people notice this, and not when people from outside the community did. he wanted to be a true ally, which is what this book is about. >> talk about the unique challenges, though. the horr challenges that have risen for jews across the world. i remind people, there are 15 million jews in the world for a reason. and talk about the rise there, and especially among radicals

who call jews, white european colonialists, when israel was created three years after white european colonialists marched 6 million jews into ovens. >> yeah. i mean, look. the fact that some in the extreme left was about to brand israel the colonial estate, is crazy land, because literally, israel is a refugee state, which was decolonized from great britain. when people chant, we want 48, they are talking about going back to british colonialism. i'm not entirely sure. this is what we were talking about. it's the new form of antisemitism. this is exactly what we're seeing right now on college campuses. >> tell me why kids and college campuses, i call them kids, because i'm an old dude. >> they are kids. they rleal adults. >> how did they get to a point

where they started chanting genocide phrases? from the river to the sea. and, they don't even know. a lot of them don't even know what they're proposing. >> they don't know what they are proposing. the thing about what is happening right now, three things we have to understand. first of all, it's not peaceful. second, it's not grass roots, because it is well funded. for example, the tents, it's very puzzling. the most important thing, it's not true. so, the kids that are actually protesting and think they are doing the best thing for humanity, what happened is they have been brainwashed by tiktok to believe that zio nism necessitates the genocide of palestinians. they were trained, literally brainwashed to believe that israel colonial state. >> what do you mean by tiktok? >> it's happening in tiktok in terms of numbers and what is being pushed on tiktok in terms

of antiisrael and antisemitic rhetorics. we have the numbers. it's through the roof. these kids don't read. >> run rev, it's chinese government. >> yeah. >> who wants to see the division? one of things that interest me about your book, and i want to address this to emmanuel it is uncomfortable conversations we have to have. when i started talking to the rabbi, and jonathan, trying to bring us together and they had to confront me. well you involved with some things we felt were antisemitic. i said no, i didn't say this. i did allow certain things that i was insensitive to. and i think on the other side, they had to understand how some felt in the black community. these kind of candid conversations really test the sincerity of both sides of whether we really believe what we say or are we just going to keep taking shots at each

other? talk about that, because there have been tensions and i think some distortions on both sides that we need to put out front because usually, the people that are antisemitic, are also antiblack. >> correct. the first question i had to ask myself is, what in the world is antisemitism? is there a semi group that you can be anti? how can you avoid being antisemitic? the very first thing i had to say is, noa, what is antisemitism. it's looking down at a jew and looking up at a jew, assuming there's powers that be that are monopolizing and manipulating the world at large. i asked her that. i also asked her the question, are jews white? in america, if you are nonjewish, you perceive jewish people as white. we projected our western ideologies on to thousands of years of middle eastern nuance. if we couple the jewish community into the white community. there's tension, then there has to be tension between the

jewish community and the black community. because jewish people are white. jews in power. i was drafted to the cleveland browns. the owner was a jewish man. the general manager was a jewish man. i left the agent. the next agent was a jewish man. how can you tell me i'm antisemitic. the titles of owner, agent, and general manager in my life. we went there. >> i said to him, i said -- >> wow. >> and i said to emmanuel is, the fact that there are a lot of jewish people represented in various fields, there's nothing antisemitic about that, that is actually true. you start talking about power and control. that's when you move to antisemitism, which is why adopting the definition is a brilliant move. it gives you the framework. what antisemitism is to begin

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i can be there for them. talk to your doctor about nurtec odt today. in a new interview with time magazine, donald trump was asked if he was concerned about violence stemming from the outcome of this year's vote. he answered, quote, no, i don't think you'll have political violence. trump told a reporter in the first part of the interview on april 12th. two weeks later, in the second part, the reporter followed up, asking trump, what if you don't win, he responded, quote, i do think we're going to win. we're way ahead. i don't think they will be able to do the things they did the last time, which were horrible, absolutely horrible. and if we don't win, you know, it depends. it always depends on the fairness of an election. so here we go. let's bring in special

correspondent at vanity fair, molly. she is an msnbc political analyst. fancy that. so, he's telling us what will happen. i mean, i always take him seriously. we have been watching this from day one and joe and no question that he will question the results of the election. >> oh yeah. i mean, there were so many things in this interview that he said that were horrifying and really scary. i thought the stuff he said about mifepristone, was, you know, the fda approved it twenty years ago. the thing that is really scary about this is he is shopping this act from the 1800s that republicans want to bring back to ban the mailing of medications they don't like. he is now talking about it as a normal law, which everyone

knows it's not. >> right. >> there's so much in this interview. and trump said, he would quote, consider pardoning every single person convicted of january 6th related crimes. remember, those are the people convicted of beating up cops, for example. adding quote, it's a two- tier system of justice, and nobody died other than ashley. ashley shot by police. she died from her injuries. five police officers also died from injuries, or trauma inflicked on that day, which trump of course failed to mention. so, mike, this is -- here it is all in one place in this time magazine. it was a two-part interview. he sat for a long time. some people forgot what it was like under donald trump and don't understand what it would be like again under donald trump. if you're ot fence, i don't want to participate in this, or maybe joe biden is too old. sit and read it.

>> take the 10. >> i don't say this as a partisan point, just sit and ask yourself, after reading that, is that the country i want to live in? is that the country i want my kids to live in? take out your politics and read the entire interview. >> this november is more than just a presidential election. it's a test for america. how long do we want america to be america? because if you read the interview, it is all there. he's not kidding. he's who he is. it's what he wants to do. it's the bizarre, demented gift that he has brought to this country. i mean, the idea that joe biden wins 60% of the vote this fall, donald trump wins 40% of the vote, he will still contest the election. claim it was rigged. claim it was fixed. it's part of the political bloodstream that he is gifted this country. jonathan, you know this as well as anybody knows it. it's not going to go away. and it's going to be up to

people to think about what is going to happen this november, if trump ever won a second term. >> it almost felt like a call to arms to his supporters. stand by, the message to the proud boys where he's saying, there will likely be violence again if somehow i were to lose. molly, you mentioned the mifepristone. we should note, today is the day the florida abortion law, six-week ban goes into effect. trump would be okay with red states, in his words, tracking women's pregnancies to make sure they follow through. and deliver the child. that is just distopia. >> there are so many things. he wants deportation camps. i mean, this is stuff that i mean, what i thought was so shocking he was admitting things. the monitoring periods, the monitoring women's cycling is

right out of hand maid's tale. it's just not normal american life. >> you say shocking. but it's not shocking, it's trump. >> right. except i have not seen him admit stuff like this. like deportation camps. >> honestly, it's hard to continue to be shocked, because we have become desensitized and that's exactly how a democracy dies. i'm not sounding high fluting or dramatic, this is where we are. it's a choice. also in those interviews, trump was asked if reelected, would he instruct the attorney general to prosecute state officials who are prosecuting him? listen carefully. the former president said quote, we're going to look at a lot of things like they're looking, but that no, i don't want to do that. when pressed, if he would instruct the attorney general to prosecute alvin bragg. trump replied, quote, we'll

have great retribution through success. we're going to make our country successful again. our retribution is going to be through success of our country. while that doesn't seem to make any sense. anyone who has been on the other end of donald trump's hatred knows exactly what that means. trump was then asked if he would fire a u.s. attorney who did not prosecute someone he ordered him to prosecute. trump said, it depends on the situation, honestly. when asked if he would appoint a special prosecutor to go after biden and his family, trump said, well, it depends what happens with the supreme court? he went on to say that the supreme court did not find presidential immunity applies to trump to overturn the 2020 election, then biden would be quote, prosecute for all of his crimes because he committed many crimes. >> these are the crimes that the committee, that committed

its work to finding has not found yet. james comber and his oversight committee spent millions and millions of dollars and many, many months trying to get to the bottom of the biden crime family and as mr. comb said, a lot of smoke. no fire yet. >> joining us now, legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, andrew weissman. i want to focus on the u.s. attorneys and the legal questions and the retribution that donald trump is talking about in that interview. tell us what the future looks like if trump wins the presidency in this realm. >> reporter: so your comments about democracy are now reflected in the discussion we're about to have, and you know, what you have been saying. what separates us from countries like russia, in part, is the fact that we have a separate department of justice. it is not an arm of the white house. the idea that you're going to

go after your political adversaries and order prosecutors to do that, without facts. and in contrast to law, is such a huge contrast to the way that republicans and democratic presidents have operated with respect to the department of justice. it has to be independent. i truly think that most americans understand that. you do not want political ized prosecutions. they are conspiracy theories that think, joseph biden is behind all of these prosecutions. that is simply not the case. it wasn't the case with other administrations either. and that's something that donald trump, with his vision of complete control of every part of government, with no checks and balances, is completely what it means to be

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abortion pill, mifepristone. trump has an opinion on that, but would not explain. adding he has strong views and probably release it over the next week. trump was then pressed further on the issue by the reporter who highlighted that some of the former president's allies want to use the comestock act to block the mailing of abortion drugs. trump replied, quote, i will be making a statement on that over the next 14 days. he also avoided giving an answer on whether states should monitor women's pregnancies. so that they can know if a woman has had the procedure after they are banned in a state. trump said quote, i think they might do that again. you'll have to speak to the individual states. the former president said, it was irrelevant whether he was comfortable with women being prosecuted for getting abortions after a ban, because states are going to make those decisions. >> this could be a horrendous

place for women to live. this country. the united states of america. at the rate he is going. >> it already is in texas and tennessee. >> and florida today. >> i mean, what you're seeing here is women in the first trimester cannot get prenatal care because doctors are afraid if they have miscarriages. this is not completely true everywhere, but starting to be a real trend. doctors are worried that if they have miscarriages, they will get blamed. you have doctors practicing medicine in a defensive way, because they are scared of the federal government, right? they are scared of the state government, because what donald trump has done by overturning roe is empower these red state legislators to go after doctors and so women are getting much less good medical care and pregnant women, too. this doesn't have to do with getting abortions. this just has to do with getting actual medical care. >> it is more dangerous now to be pregnant in america than it ever has been and i know the

men at the table with me all have children and have wives who have been through this, we're not super heros. it is a really scary experience and you want access to all the healthcare that you might need. >> you know what might be more scary than that? which is a scary prospect. the idea that we're talking about someone in public life, or a political party, that is one of two political parties, is talking about monitoring women's pregnancies. monitoring women's pregnancies. as the pregnancy proceeds to see if she is trying to get an abortion or whatever. and we talk about it as if, well, what's next on the agenda. instead of coming to a full stop and saying, what? >> and let me tell you why that happens. let me go to our next guest. senator elizabeth warren, she serves as a national advisory

member. senator warren, i'll take what mike was saying and send it your way, because some of the things donald trump is talking about, monitoring of pregnancies, some of the things that have been done. a six-week ban in florida. it is way dangerous to be pregnant in florida or to need any type of healthcare in florida, if you are a woman, starting today. but i'll pose the question to you, that i asked andrew weissman before. mike starts talking about the craziness, and someone who supports donald trump, perhaps in this conversation will say, come on, he'll never do that. come on. you guys are crazy. you are radical. you are just like, over the top. i'm really tired of hearing all this trump crazy stuff, because it's never going to happen. senator? your thoughts. >> so, i look at it this way. this all started with donald trump and if donald trump makes it back to the white house, it just multiplies and gets worse

and worse and worse. donald trump bragged about overturning roe versus wade. he is the one who put that extremist supreme court in place. and he continues, when he's in front of the right audience, to brag about that. the rest of us are now living with wave of wave of what happens when roe goes away. the ten-year-old girl who was raped and can't get an abortion in the state where she lives. the women who have been part way through a miscarriage and can't receive the medical care that they need. the doctors, as you rightly pointed out, who are practicing defensive medicine, and now we just see the other pieces on the horizon that the extremists in the trump party are calling for and starting to line up. donald trump wants to get reelected. and he understands that it is

extremely unpopular what he is doing. that this is not what americans want. and so he is hoping, as you showed in the interview, to walk away from it just a little until the election. but at the same time, keep encouraging his followers who are laying out the plans to control women's lives. for me, this is one of the biggest contrasts between joe biden and donald trump. donald trump is the one who is responsible for getting rid of roe v. wade. and all the effects from that. joe biden is the one who will lead us to make roe versus wade law of the land again, so women will be protected. they and their doctors will make decisions, not some politician. >> and donald trump has landed on the defense for all of this. all i did was help return it to the states. we're seeing now what that means when you return it to the states.

state by state. senator, i want to ask you, given what you just layed out there and given everything we've been talking about in this incredibly clarifying, crystallizing interview with time magazine on abortion and all kinds of issues, there are many democrats. there are many progressives frustrated for a variety of reasons with president biden. you have a very large following, particularly among progressives. what would be your message to those who say, i don't like either of my choices or i think joe biden is too old or i'm going to stay home or find a third party. what would be your message to your vast number of supporters going into the fall? >> you know, i do look at this as contrast. we are in a world now where we have two people who are running for president. both of whom have been president before. one of them is donald trump. two signature achievements in his four years as president. one was overturning roe versus wade and the other was $2 trillion in tax cuts.

mostly sucked up by millionaires, billionaires, and giant corporations. who has joe biden been out there fighting for? first, he made very clear, that as president, he has continued to fight to protect access to abortion. and by the way, i want to underscore that for a minute. he's not just saying give me a house, give me a senate, and we'll make roe versus wade law of the land. he's in that fight right now. u.s. military, who are stationed in states that ban abortion, joe biden has made sure they will still have access to reproductive care. the veterans administration has started expanding to abortion services, and joe biden is in the courts right now, making sure that at least we're making the argument to keep medication abortion available everywhere. but in addition to that, who is joe biden fighting for? look at what he's done.

$35 insulin. cancel student loan debt for 4.3 million people across the country already. getting rid of junk fees. passing the biggest climate package in the history of the world. paid for, by a 15% minimum corporate tax on these giant corporations that have been paying nothing. in other words, somebody is out there fighting every single day for hard working people. for people who are just trying to build a more secure future for themselves. that's quite a contrast. and we need everybody in this fight for the future of america. >> coming up, get ready to be transformed to the 1970s with a new broadway play about a fictional up and coming rock band. we'll speak with the creative forces behind, stereo phonic, which just wrapped up 13 tony nominations.

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lasting sound together. the production has received rave reviews, with the "new york times" writing, stereophonic is a staggering achievement. and already feels like a must- see american classic. joining us now, one of the show's costars who makes her broad way debut here. david, and the grammy award winning and academy award nominated composure, will butler. >> no way. >> he's a former member of the band, arcade fire. wow. where do we begin? >> i think we begin with staggering achievement. >> that's not bad. that's a good start, guys. >> that beats being called, as john lenon said, a blank head. staggering achievement. will. >> that's not bad. >> let's start with you. not a bad review and all the

reviews, just extraordinary. >> we got them at opening night. why am i reading the reviews? what have i become? it makes me feel good, though. i like that they like it though. >> oh, it's unbelievable. and what is it, david, what is so fascinating to viewers to people in the audience about a story like this? because there have been a few, not executed quite this well. but there have been a few that kind of dive into this subject matter. >> well, i think people love rock and roll, and i think people are always interested in what is behind the surface images, and the methods we know so well. mystify what people think they understand about rock and artistic processes and sort of peel back the surface. i think people are interested in that. the show is very intimate. it's not just blown out with

rock and roll, although we have amazing music and will did an incredible job. i'm really more interested in what is underneath the surface. i think people get transfixed by that. >> juliana, speaking of the creative process, talk about broadway, and talk about your experience. >> how does it feel? >> making that change. >> you know, it's delightful. the audiences love the jokes in the play. david wrote such a funny play. i just feel the audiences loving all of the humor that is embedded into the fabric of the show. and we've done the show now, we started doing it in october. and so i feel like we've all steeped in it. it's a very strong, good pot of tea. and we just get more and more comfortable and are loving it. >> so david, as joe noted, there have been other swipes at this subject matter. talk to us about the origin of

this particular tale. what were your influences? where did this come from? >> it's kind of weird. i don't get linear ideas that lead to something specific. when i was on a plane trip. i was on a plane going somewhere and i was listening to a led zeppelin song, babe, i'm going to leave you. for some reason, i knew the song because my brother used to play it over and over on his guitar when i was a kid. there was something about the intensity of the vocals that struck me. i suddenly got a picture in my mind's eye of the studio. where this guy was singing these intense vocals. suddenly, i thought, wait a minute. what if that's a play? what would that set look like? what are the opportunities of using a music studio as a set? i had seen it done in small ways, but really not as a dramatic landscape. so just something about the intensity of the music and the intensity of that song and the weird push, pull dynamic in the

lyrics with this guy saying, i want to leave you, but also, i could never leave you. and there was something about all of that, kind of planted a seed in my mind. i knew i wanted to write something about it. >> don't go away. we have a second hour of morning joe on this sunday morning coming up right after the break. ♪♪ no. ♪♪ -no. -nuh-uh. ♪♪ yeah. oh. yes. ♪♪ oh yeah. yes. isn't this great? yeeaahhhh!! ♪♪ yeah, i could do a cartwheel in here. oh hey! would you like to join us? no. we would love to join you. ♪♪

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good sunday morning and welcome back to morning joe weekend. looks look at the top stories of the week. >> the republican national committee was poised to open 48 campaign offices across key battlegrounds when former president trump abruptly replaced rnc chairwoman ronna mcdaniel. since then, there has not been much insight into the election. >> david, a lot of people are looking at whether it is the war in gaza hurting biden or whether it is the trials or possible conviction that could hurt donald trump, gdp versus inflation. all these issues. they are obviously important to voters. you and i both know that at the end of the day, blocking and

tackling one. for super bowls and if you are not raising the money you need to raise and on top of the, you don't have the ground game that you need because you have put family members in their to help perhaps funnel money from the rnc to your lawyers, i mean that is blocking and that is tackling and at the end of the day, that adds up to whether you win or lose, doesn't it? >> it certainly can. i think we have to look at this in the context of how close the past two presidential elections have been decided by just tens of thousands of votes. less than 100,000 votes across a few states. and when elections are decided by a point or lasts, a percentage point or less, a ground game and money can make a difference. whether you are reaching voters are turning them out to vote. especially with early voting

and mail in voting. when you look at the 2-3% range, maybe it helps or maybe it doesn't. beyond 3%, it does not overcome over challenges. when you are looking at how closely decided michigan, pennsylvania, nevada, arizona and georgia were four years ago, if president biden is in a dogfight, the same as he was with donald trump four years ago, this kind of infrastructure advantage can make a huge difference and be a huge advantage. the question is, what is the rnc and the trump campaign going to do? they are going to do something. they are developing a ground game of sorts. sources tell me it will be narrowly targeted and focused on trump. and a half a dozen states or maybe a couple more. what will look like and who will be doing the work? >> i guess i should have put a caveat on what i said before which is, it makes all the difference and it will be close

in wisconsin, pennsylvania and michigan. georgia will probably be close. nevada always ends up close. and the chaos when you have trump going sideways with kari lake and arizona, there is so much going on here that there are several states that could be decided by less than 30,000 votes. that is when you need a ground game. and again, right now, they have the rnc. so they may not have the ground game. >> over the weekend, i talked to a senior democrat who was optimistic and feels good about biden's chances. this person said a comfortable win in any battleground state would be about a half of a point. that is how close this will be when everyone seems to know that. david, let's talk about the elephant in the room which is trump and his legal troubles. that is where a lot of the republican money is going right

now to pay bills. donald trump is off the trail. he is sidelined for six weeks or more. it is curious, despite him complaining the trial is keeping him from campaigning when he has had off days. he has not been on the road. he has not been at battleground states. he has been at mar-a-lago golfing. how will the rnc and other republicans account for this, with their best fundraiser, donald trump being sidelined. >> i think they are looking at the polling and that is why trump is not that concerned. when i talked to republicans aware of what is going on with the rnc is that trump repeatedly told ronna mcdaniel, i don't need rnc to do the ground game. i need you to handle voter integrity. in his terms, catch the cheaters. trump is not even prioritizing ground game at least as it comes out of the rnc. i do think trump's senior advisors know better and they know that they need it. i think the question is, how do

they plan to deploy trump? and how to the plan to do the work? how much will be done at the rnc and how much will be done outside of the rnc. there are talks about that going on as we speak. the interesting thing, as you know about trump, and i go back to 2020 when he was on trial in the senate for the first impeachment and everything looked rosy going into 2020. one of the reasons why is because he wasn't on the trail. he wasn't tweeting or posting on social media. when the trial was over, he got back into the swing of things and voters started to remind themselves or be reminded of all the things that exhausted them about him. all the things that exhausted them. i'm curious to see that when he is finished with this trial and he is able to get out there, the way he usually is, how that impacts things. >> you are right. donald trump this year has a really professional surrounding an they are good enough that

they understand that he is better sidelined. the less people here for donald trump, the better donald trump. if you can limit that to him walking out of the courtroom saying a couple things and moving on, the professionals around him this time of his campaign are like, a win. >> more morning joe weekend after a quick break! break! 1 gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals. and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. (♪♪)

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can you answer the simple question? you cannot. it is an armed resistance. you are calling for the mass genocide of the jewish. >> i am not. >> you might not know you are doing this but you are. >> you guys are using the

holocaust or any of this saying we are still trying to do it. that is not true. >> that is a pro-palestinian student at ucla and erupting in nbc news interview with a jewish student earlier this week which as you can see sparks an intense debate between the two. joining us now, cochair of the house problem solvers caucus. a democratic congressman from the state of new jersey. he co-authored legislation that passed my house wednesday to broaden the definition of anti- semitism. we know president biden will be speaking tuesday on that very topic. thank you for joining us this morning. let's start with your reaction to that moment that we just played for you and then the unrest you have seen on college campuses across the country in recent days. >> shocking is the only way to describe it. we have seen so many comments and chanting the last months which i just cannot believe any student would scream out at

anyone. whether it is supporting hamas or calling for a thousand or 10,000 more october seventhths and death to jewish. this would be an acceptable as it would be to any student on college campuses. >> good morning. the legislation that passed the house yesterday, tell us why -- what is in it, why it is needed. i know some democrats voted against it saying there are free-speech concerns. tell us why it is needed and why you have responded to the free-speech concerns. >> in my opinion as well as 320 others in the house, there is nothing controversial about what we said which is defining what anti-semitism is for the purposes of title vi discrimination on college campuses so there is actually

meat on the bone of what the definition of anti-semitism is which as you know, is one of the things that the department of education looks at when they look at discrimination on a college campus where it is no place for hate. what is important for people to know about this is three administrations, democrat and republican administrations, have been using the demo nine definition and 30 plus states, countries around the world. there is nothing controversial about it and it definitely protects speech. which i believe deeply in and it allows people of course to criticize israel or to speak out. what it does not allow is for hatred, intimidation and violence driven of course by anti-semitism which we are seeing on far too many college campuses right now. >> clearly what happened the last few weeks is showing a need for more clarity and the definitions and what

constitutes hate speech and what is allowed and what isn't allowed. were you surprised by the array of people that have opposed the legislation? we mentioned there are some on the left. but there are also some on the right as well. i think matt gaetz call this ridiculous hate speech. the aclu said it is misguided and harmful. congresswoman pramila jayapal raised the issue wouldn't republicans did not speak up. it is interesting that you have a broad spectrum of people opposed to the bill and am wondering what you make of that. >> i was deeply disappointed. and some of my colleagues, including the extremists like matt gaetz and marjorie taylor greene say crazy things that don't have anything to do with the bill itself. i guess it isn't surprising in this day and age. in understanding the opposition not at all. our leadership including jeffries came out strong and spoke strongly against anti-

semitism and hate on all campuses as to the president yesterday. and the president said yesterday that we shouldn't lose sight. incredibly important. speaking out. violent protest is not protected in peaceful protest is. and speaking out clearly and saying there is no place in america or on any campus for anti-semitism or violence against jewish students or any students for that matter. and i think that is really what we should all be as leaders across the board and across parties should be saying clearly. there is nothing controversial about standing up to hate or anti-semitism and making sure that campuses are safe for all students regardless of their background. making sure every college campus is safe and at the kids can study and take exams and graduate without fear of threat and intimidation from others. including those of course coming from off campus who are part of a lot of these protests. >> congressman, this is gene robinson.

i know there have been some outsiders at the protest. apparently a significant number at columbia. and have been a lot of students there. primarily students. and i wonder if you would just look at the bigger picture for a second. this is a relatively small number of students that were pitching tents and participating in the protest. on the other hand, i have seen polling that shows younger american adults are more sympathetic to the palestinians and the israeli palestinian conflict then they are to the israelis. a market difference between voters under 30 and all the age cohorts over 30. what you make of that? do you think that is a concern? and how do you address that? >> i think there is a clear

difference between being sympathetic, as i am, as to palestinians being used as human shields by hamas, a terrorist organization and hourly supporting hamas. a lot of these protests, and i'm a huge supporter of making sure students and anyone can speak out in a peaceful way and protest in a peaceful way but i believe the country -- you asked the question differently and i have seen polling on this. do you support hamas, a foreign terrorist organization, an organization that attacked and killed more than 1200 brutally on october 7th including 40 americans and americans remain hostage, something we don't talk about every day. we met with the american hostage families again this week. one hostage family is in my district. when you ask about that, people of course feel deeply that we should do everything we can to get the hostage families home just like we should do everything to get humanitarian aid into gaza. i think these are not false

choices but there is a strong opposition to terrorists and hamas and other iranian proxies want to hate america more than israel and they are continuing to fire missiles at service members, hezbollah are and jihadists and iraqi iranian proxies continuing to fire and have killed american service members. when you talk about it that way, the importance of standing up to terror, i think you get a very different answer. next, as college campuses ignite and protest, a new york times columnist joins us to discuss his new book. ♪ things are getting clearer...♪ ( ♪♪ ) ♪ i feel free... ♪ ♪ to bear my skin, yeah that's all me. ♪ ♪ nothing is everything ♪ ( ♪♪) with skyrizi, 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months.

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discussions with, what are we not getting? how have we been wrong quick how angry should i be and how should i take my revenge? that is why we can't have constructive discussions or make progress on basic things where there was overwhelming agreement. he used to two words that are so important. you said challenging and complexity and that we have to hold several truths. we are no longer any good at that. i have my truth. you have your truth. i'm right and you are wrong and i have to fight with you about it. i don't consider your perspective and wonder what the merit in it is or how you came at it. i don't think we need to find some sort of common ground. i just go to the battlements. the larger culture is part of what you are seeing on campus. >> there are genuine passions involved in the student protests. and there also mirrors of the culture. it is interesting to look at these scenes and think about how much of visual similarity there is to january 6th.

these are different extremes of the political spectrum. there is a common political muscle in the common cultural dynamic to both. >> i don't disagree. i brought up the initial, seeing people bashing in the windows saying, that is what happened to january 6th. these are examples. and we have the front runner, republican front runner who has a main branding line of komal i am your retribution." >> i understand the visuals. i do think people's motive and intent is of great moral relevance. and if you are motivated to show up on the capital to invalidate an election because you have been goaded to think that that kind of rising come people of color america and thes and everybody else are coming to suppress your freedom, that is one kind of motivation to overturn a

constitutional process. the founders did not even put protests as the third or fourth amendment. they put first in line and they were all dissidents. they were all breaking the law. starting at country -- to be clear, starting at country, your own country when you are part of another country is the ultimate civil disobedience. this country started with a giant illegal act. and an illegal act that i think we are all grateful for. it doesn't mean that all disruption is good or all description is bad. i think it is complicated, as you say and it needs to hold complexity and i think students are often wrong about the specifics of what they say. students are not good at setting foreign policy and they are not good at necessarily eight step strategy. but students throughout history have often been telling us something really vital that almost everyone else in society is too afraid or too paid to say

. >> would you apply the same logic of the first premise you laid out beautifully to protesters on january 6th? >> there is some truth that we should understand what they are saying? yes. it is not the thing they are saying. the truth and that movement is that there is an enormous number of people in the country who are anxious and stressed and feel like they don't fit in a multiracial democracy. as i said many times on the show, those of us that want the multiracial democracy have not done the right organizing job to show a lot of the people that they don't need to go with fascism. they don't need to go with white supremacy. that there is a healthy and fulfilling life for them in the future coming. i have said many times that i think it is the burden of those of us that want the future to organize those people into a different reality. when i see january 6, i'm absolutely trying to understand what is underneath it. the grievance is thing on top and the thing people are

feeling and driving. it is often different. >> i want to understand the roots of what happened that day. i think it is important for civic health. i'm not saying you are doing this but i want us to be careful about romanticizing what happened on that day. for me, one of the scary things going on now is a certain defendant in a courtroom downtown manhattan is talking about those people as patriots that need to be freed from prison. that is a terrible message. however it disenfranchised the riders or whatever the spark of their behavior was, i don't want us to lose sight -- >> romanticize them? >> donald trump is. >> i'm not affiliated with donald trump. what i'm saying is that i think all political behavior, there is an expression of putting a chair somewhere or climbing a wall. that is the behavior and there is often something going on with people underneath and you can't do politics if you don't understand. not romanticizing anything but understanding. if you don't understand why

large numbers of white people in the country have been convinced that fascism is better than multiracial -- if you don't get that or have that ability and do the research, you will be able to out with that. and if you don't understand was voting students to potentially throw their entire careers, academic prospects -- what is inspiring them to potentially throw all that out, you are missing something. you don't have to agree with it. but they are telling you something. and throughout history, they have often told us something that aged better than the people against them at the time. >> a companion piece to grievance is victimization and donald trump has made him the avatar for this. this alleged billionaire who lives on fifth avenue in a penthouse and a beach club somehow is a victim. he is the victim now of a two tiered justice system in the country. but to the people that love and support him, they see in him how they feel.

is that fair to say? >> it is the craziest political sorcery i have ever seen. that line of, i am your retribution, what he's saying are the same forces that you feel are victimizing you or victimizing me. the way you get back at them is by electing, elevating or venerating me and then we have had revenge. the notion of revenge has become so central to politics. we are no longer living in an area of negative partisanship but apocalyptic partisanship. vote for me because i'm going to slay the same enemies that bother you. >> i want you to clarify. and pretty sure we are on the same page here. no matter what happens, violence and breaking of laws and vandalism taking over buildings, jumping in them and running all over them and saying that you want to kill somebody is wrong and deserves consequence. >> absolutely. civil disobedience is people choosing to suffer the consequences to make their point. that is what it is. is a choice to willfully break

the law and the view of everybody. violence is always wrong. the intolerance we have seen in this movement or any other movement, elements of it, are always wrong. the new york times had an incredible piece of reporting where unlike most people, the author went there and spent days on end and said there people that say the wrong thing but the bulk is peaceful and nonviolent protest about people devastated by an immoral war. >> more morning joe weekend after a quick break. break. >> tech: need to get your windshield fixed?

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we have stephen glasser, cohost of the political scene podcast. you have been writing about this issue about exactly what the president was talking about yesterday. making these historical comparisons. in her latest piece titled "is 2024 doomed to repeat 1968 or 2020 or both?" you say, this is history as a cautionary tale. the biden humphrey gaza trump nixon parables might be an exact but remind me again why the democrats decided to pick chicago for this year's convention? good question. already, activists groups are promising major protests over biden's support for israel during the august hearing. all but guaranteeing bad split screen visuals emphasizing young progressives disillusioned with the

president who has a strong youth turnout for trump. trump has been obsessed with nixon's 1968 law and order strategy. both the 2016 and 2020 races deployed the same playbook years before the war and gaza was even dividing democrats. of course, he would do so again. especially now that the political conditions appear to resemble that year even more than before. this seems to me as both biden's peril and his opportunity. i have spoken to a democrat in the last week that has not raised 68 in the can hog the chicago convention. other differences this time around? >> history may rhyme. it rarely exactly repeats. i think that was true just watching what happened at columbia this week. amazing by the way that it was on the exact anniversary of the 1968 columbia takeover of hamilton hall and the police response to that. just extraordinary moment there.

again, it's not the exact same story. let's remember that gaza is not vietnam. one of the things of course that empower that student movement in 1960 was the fact that millions of young americans were subject to being subject to fight in vietnam. that is not the case. we don't know what will be happening in the middle east by the fall. it could well be that young voters are not focused on that anymore and they are more focused on the threat to reproductive rights in the country or some other trump he an outreach not happened yet. it is important to note that. >> and we don't have major political figures that have been assassinated as we did. >> and let's hope we don't have the full 1968 going on here. >> you write about this is a moment of opportunity and apparel for the biden campaign. what can they do? we heard president biden yesterday and all the college

campus administrators i have spoken to say, this will die down when kids go home but it won't go away necessarily. what is the biden campaign need to do in order to persuade the young voters to get out and vote for him in november but also not to off turn swing voters in the middle. >> he has to go up the middle. that is joe biden's instinct by the way. and it is very interesting. my friend wrote a very timely biography of hubert humphrey, the democrats failed 1968 nominee. he makes the point that while the fireworks were on the left in 1968, the boats were on the right and that is the straddling that needs to be done and didn't work in 1968. i do think biden's comments yesterday were indicative of trying to do that. he said there is a right to protest but there is not a right to create chaos and i think that is the line he is going to have to be walking for some months now. >> keeping the focus on donald

trump, meanwhile presidential biden urging americans to take trump at his word after the presumptive 2024 republican nominee said this week that he would accept the november election results if everything is honest and added that if it is not, you have to fight for the rights of the country. arriving in north carolina for a campaign event yesterday, biden had this to say about trump's latest remarks. >> mr. president, are you worried that trump says he won't accept the election results? >> there is joe biden telling us to listen to what donald trump is saying. are we missing warning signals? are we taking the former president too seriously given that he is prone to changing his mind whenever he has a policy he wants to change his mind on? what is the right way to handle things that trump is saying at

the moment? >> sometimes trump means what he says and sometimes he doesn't. it is impossible really to know. my assumption about the election is that he won't accept the results if he loses. we have data on that. we have at least one data point on that. in 2020. i think we should be prepared for that sort of nonsense, what we had in 2020. >> when we return, comedian jerry seinfeld joins the show to discuss his new film on the race to create a pop tart. ♪ -no. -nuh-uh. ♪♪ yeah. oh. yes. ♪♪ yes. isn't this great? yeeaahhhh!! ♪♪ yeah, i could do a cartwheel in here. oh hey! would you like to join us?

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jerry seinfeld. no stranger to assembling an all-star roster of talent but his latest project may just take the cake. the movie titled "un

titled "unfrosted" available on netflix chronicles and altered history of the invention of the pop tart. you heard me. the pop tart and it features a star-studded cast including melissa mccarthy, amy schumer, christian slater, jim gaffigan, new girl costar max greenfield and the comedian sara cooper who you might remember from these donald trump parities. >> person, woman, man, camera tv. if you get an order, you get extra points. now he's asking you other questions. >> she owned a social media for a stretch of 2020. joe recently sat down with jerry seinfeld and some of the cast to discuss the making of the film and the experience working together. >> i grew up in a time where cereal is king.

crisp versus quake. you had the archie's records. it really did have a huge cultural impact. >> that is probably why we are a country of obese people. >> we were not fat then though. everybody was thin in the 60s. i don't know what happened. >> so you came up with this idea during covid? >> my friend who wrote the soup nazi said, we used to joke for years about doing a movie about the pop tart because i used to talk about the pop tart and my comedy set. >> the biggest food thing that happened to me, when they invented the pop tart, the back of my head blew off. >> just as a stupid idea. and then he said, let's talk about it and andy robin, another writer from my series was talking and saying, let's

do it like the right stuff. when i heard that, i said i'm in. >> your first directorial bit at a future film. >> definitely. when we did the series, larry and i were always directing. we were not moving cameras are doing the prep and stuff like that. >> any trepidation going into that as far as directing? >> no. if i have funny people like this, funny people, it is about getting them in a good mood and the fun will just happen. >> the food was great. >> were you in a good mood? >> it was awful. >> you were telling me that this was one of the worst experiences of your life? >> one of the worst experiences i've had. >> he made me stand on apple box for several hours and kept my eyes open. it was horrible. and it is a good movie.

>> he was kind of obsessive. like christopher nolan as far as where you place your hands or where your eyes are or how are -- how loud your voice is or how quickly you talk. >> i had a great time. >> you want to be in the next movie. >> so when max had the tongues in the toaster i said, max, now you are getting electrocuted but you will fight through it. >> beautiful. >> that was one of my favorite moments. >> most people would let go. and i said, no. you are going to fight through. >> so max, what was it like working, playing the arrival of a guy that was your idol? >> is like a musician trying to jam with paul mccarthy.

>> just working with jerry, they called me and brought up oppenheimer and said, do you want to audition for oppenheimer? they brought me this and i read and i said, nobody will believe me as a scientist. and i said are you sure? i said nobody wants to see this. >> and then three weeks later, they said you want to audition for jerry seinfeld's pop tart movie? i said i'm all in. 100%. >> you played the kellogg that would fail? >> yes. >> it was great. i played jerry's boss in the movie. very similar to the our everyday lives. >> and i would not have expected you to be a milk mafia

. >> it was an element of danger. elements of the character that were brilliantly written and i liked the guy's back story. he has children and mouths to feed. and so this guy coming along and creating a thing that doesn't need milk was very upsetting. >> we will hear more with the cast of "unfrosted" after the break. don't go anywhere! ♪ ♪ wayfair's biggest sale of the year is finally here. it's way day! right now you can save up to 80% off at wayfair. ooo, yes. plus score free shipping on everything. [ grunting ]

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what was it like, jim, the people he got to work with. we joked a lot about oppenheimer and christopher nolan. and they said, when he calls, you do it i would guess. and jerry seinfeld wants you to be in the movie. >> i definitely wanted to be involved immediately. to your point, every day, it was like i can't believe this person is coming in. and it is just all these funny people upon funny people. and some people you are like, how did jerry pull this off. it is an enormous cast. it covers the spectrum of everyone. >> and credible cast. you made light in these politically correct times. i wrote this down. mussolini, jfk and the cuban missile crisis and the jfk assassination.

very gutsy maverick. >> what are you guys? five years old? >> i'm just curious, how did that writing go? everybody making jokes about jfk junior. >> that was bill berger. we loved it. it was really funny. >> it got much worse. he had eleanor roosevelt coming over for a naked swim in that scene. we couldn't quite get the history of that together. >> eleanor roosevelt coming over and will swim in the nude. what is that called quick skinny dipping? >> what did you enjoy the most? >> watching the movie was great. i watched it many times. but filming it, the funeral

scene was one of my favorites. when i saw the box of kellogg's that said funeral size, that was where i was like, this movie is brilliant. just punchline after punchline. >> where did you come up with the idea for the funeral said? >> i will credit andy robin that said full cereal honors. i thought, what would that be? i came up with, we will turn the gravesite into a cereal ball. and then that is why we killed the guy. there is no reason to kill the guy. i just wanted to do the funeral scene and say we killed somebody to have a funeral. >> being a cereal obsessive, anything that is a hole, i want to put milk and cereal and it. >> which pleases us to the

awards ceremony and some of the cereals that did not make it. one of them called grandma's hole it. i never liked that joke. >> but you laugh at it. >> but that doesn't mean i like it. >> that is something so amazing about this movie. we are talking about one of a thousand layers. we talk about the funeral. there are six different elements that are so absurd. [ singing ] >> the detail like that is so

fun about this movie. it is thought out and there is a strong point of view with it. that is what i associate with jerry. it is point of view driven, not to be nerdy. >> what is the point of view? >> a strong point of view is just in every situation there is a strong choice made. and some of it makes sense and some of it intentionally doesn't make since. >> never put the horizon in the center. >> orders oddly this reference of how our culture was okay with that. it's a strange kind of commentary. >> i love watching movies over and over again. i just watch them over and over again. this is a movie that i know i will watch five, six or seven times because things move quickly. i talked about the jfk junior

joke. 90% of the people you see the first time will probably miss it. you talk about these other things. it is layer upon layer upon layer. >> absolutely. >> very deep into a very peculiar time. >> even the whole milkman thing, it is not just like the milkman are bad. there is the complexity or hierarchy. at one point, i give a speech explaining milk and carry on the influence. it all makes sense. >> it all makes sense. i'm curious, how did you pitch that? like i'm jerry and i'm going to do this movie. >> i wanted it to be big. a big hollywood movie. >> i have to say that i heard the concept. one of the things that surprised me was that this was

like a big feel to this. you feel like you are in battle creek, michigan in 1963. >> you look at a little town in michigan with two gigantic cereal companies that hate each other. it is a perfect comedic setup. none of it makes sense. we all know that it was true. they were in battle creek, michigan. the name of the town is battle creek. it was there. >> the story writes itself. >> it's a love story. >> it is a love story. >> there is a love story. >> it is america's love of sugar. >> that is all the time we have this weekend. we are back tomorrow morning at 6:00 a.m. eastern kicking off a new week of morning joe. until then, enjoy the rest of the week!