it's a the, this is a daily show. it's very different. hi everybody. you know why it's different? we called no punches. so look for a truth bomb number one. how the o j simpson trial changed america to phone number 2? was it all about vengeance trip? i'm number 3, is race forever going to be a part of who we are because of that since then, and even now i'm rick sanchez. this is direct impact. the . this is a really important topic for america,

and i think you get it if you're old enough to remember the o. j. simpson case assumption as you know, recently passed, you know, james, sense of trial was a kind of clip the moment for americans. it was, it was the story of, of, of a very much like professional athlete who also happened to be very handsome. and on a 1000000 television commercials pitching everything from soup to nuts, the car rentals he was the guy right until one day that guy was accused of billy, be capitated, not kidding, capitated. his wife, nicole brown simpson, and a restaurant worker who had come by to return her sunglasses where she was any. it seemed almost obvious that he had done it and done it in a obvious fit of rage. but then a really smart attorney named johnnie cochran figure that there was really no way that he could defend this very guilty client. i mean, the evidence was everywhere,

blood everywhere, unless you took a different tact. so what he what if, what if johnny cochran seemed to think, what are the good news history, the history of our nation and race and race relations and somehow combine them into a neat little ball and make that a defense. america's very white establishment had for centuries. gotten away with kelly. i mean, just murdered lynching. african americans, especially african american men, african americans who were innocent, by the way, for the great majority, is that what a somehow that story were melted into o. j. simpson's defense? guess what? it seemed to work as jurors. the majority of who were minorities, by the way, in this case because of where the trial was being held seem to take into account the past. and then they threw in the recent actions of b, l,

a. police department which at the time was, i mean, almost beyond the pay or when in terms of some of the corruption and some of the things that they were doing there. and then the hughes that, that, that ball of information to punish the states. lawyers for prosecuting this fine upstanding african american man. joining us now to discuss the o j. simpson case, and more. we are joined by legal and media analysts, tourney, lydell, lydell media, and attorney ryder and political commentator robert patello, who was running by the way to be a superior court judge in fulton county, georgia. not far from where i used to live when i worked at cnn. so let's just start with this. i'm gonna play a little video for you and i'm just gonna ask you guys to put yourself there. when you watch this happened, the verdict scene by, by the way, the verdict was seen by more people than watch a super bowl. it was seen by a 150000000 people and here it is. we the jury in the box and time election,

find the defendant or john owens all james simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder and violation of penal code. section $187.00 a, a felony upon nicole brown simpson. so there you go. i mean, i think that even though j surprise he's found not guilty, i think he turns to jenny cochran says, did i did? she said not guilty. um. and then 2 completely different reactions. black america, african american saw the, the, the, the verdict. and they reacted like this, watch century, sometime latch and find the defendant orange job involved jameson. so not guilty of the the these are, these are white americans. they see the reaction, they don't move their jobs are dropped. they're stunned to different

reactions from how can this be one case, one country, it's like they were watching different cases. how can this be web or get us started? a lot of things important. looking at the backdrop of the old j sometime in the trial and what would have been going on the suddenly 5 years proceeding as you go from the historic run to reverend jesse jackson. 19841988. and that transitions directly into the rodney king. beating the la riots there. you have the pur, uh, this per base. so yeah, racial, the taking place in america that was planned out in cities across the country and the purple that the backdrop of a corrupt police department in the lapd but many people in los angeles had experienced their corruption. and many people around the country had experience similar corrupt and their police departments. i think we can't forget about the marked firm and take, which i think when the turning point in that case, because by being able to paint,

the police department is being capable of plodding and being capable of framing a black man as often happens. that is what previous mode that i can't be separate from the verdict. i get it and let me stop you because i thought i was way ahead of you on this one, robert, let's play robert. let's play a detective firm and admitting that he was a bit of a racist. this guy was here. it is. are you there for saying that you have not used that word in the past 10 years detective for? yes, that's what i'm saying. and you say on your own that you have not addressed any black person as a or spoken about black people as in the past 10 years detective for. that's what i'm saying. so that anyone who comes to this court and for you as using that word in dealing with african americans would be a liar. would they not detective? yes they were all of them. correct? all of them. so one detective was the races. so that means you've got to let

a guy who killed people go free. seems really bizarre to me, but i totally got it. just like i totally get what robert just said about everything leading up to this moment. what, what, what happens though? line on the here's where i want to bring you into this is so the average i hate using terms like this, but let's just do it for the sake of argument. the average black guy in america jumps up and down and hollers and screams. and this celebrating the fact that a guy who everybody knows committed, the murders is getting off white people are going really that, that's, you're going to celebrate this. so now they in turn, start to go. okay, then you know what? i'm going to see you, my dear black friend who i haven't gotten, have barbecues with my family all the time. i see you a little differently now that some of those happen some of it, but a couple of things here. first of all, what you just the clip you showed, i interviewed mark firm and i know the facts of the case and the tapes they were talking about were in reference to a books that he was writing,

correct. what you don't know about is the black family that who's, who's murder of their son, mark firm and investigated, and who he had thanksgiving with years later. and i asked mark firm, and the question is, let me ask you a question. mr. farming. did you know where o j. simpson was on the night of the murder. he says no, i said, so let me go further. let's assume you were to have planted this glove. an o. j was in brazil. you look like a damn fool. you have to know he was there, you'd have to know he was there. yes. so they, they. so what they did was they, they framed the guilty man and be not mistaken. i saw we watch this on tv, but i was in santa monica during the civil case and he is as guilty as the day. of course however, however, there was irrespective of the jury law codes of reasonable doubt that my good friend, johnnie cochran and, and there's, there's laid out and was there are a racial divide. certainly keep in mind that the venue for this could have been

santa monica. but the deal guy said he was told specifically you're going to do this in l. a because we're not going to have a repeat of rodney king. but i but because they couldn't afford another. right. but, but the point i'm trying to make is, did, did it. you see, i kind of believe robert, that it set us back a little bit. i think just as we were getting to the o. j. simpson trial. there was a feeling in america that we didn't need to fix law enforcement so that it would be less brutal to african americans than others for whites as well, by the way, and uh, and latinos and others. i did that there was a feeling that maybe we could all come together and fix is and i think when, when, when, when african americans hooped and hollered at that moment when they saw a guilty man being found uh, being freed essentially that, that it may have created or made worse a rift or even created a rift,

that wasn't there before. the see where i'm going with this or am i over? thank you again robert. i think you think you're, you're jumping the shark there rick. i don't think that the oj versus a later people any more racist than they weren't before. but i think we have a history of law enforcement in this country being abusive towards african americans. if you look at the founding dates, so many police department is not the 1790s, for example, during the founding of america as an 18321840 is because when the law enforcement partners were created to put down fugitive slaves as a history of policing of this country and their interests of, of, of african americans. so old j from we found a way, a couple of to insert himself into this historical narrative. i ever use that to benefit team a car about this area, a reasonable doubt. and that's all the facilities you can't. if you don't have any direct evidence of guilt, i think that that was what the old g case really was. the touch tone for tommy's the more creative when it comes to finding reason without

a case of touch with this, let me say something else that might get me in trouble. but i think lionel is much more african american than oj was. i'm sorry, but this is a man who would never date, african american women barely had any african american friends. jaded white, one women hung around with white blonde guys. his whole life was basically as the cash dare i say, lily white as possible. i'm on people in the world of all the defendants in the united states, to use the defense o me for black people and what happened to my ancestors. let me go free. i would argue he had to be the worst candidate or the least deserving candidate to be able to use the time. but what were the most, the most forgiving black people for giving my phone or if you have to remember, definitely what's going on right now. me is the owens, have decide, and so you want to come back to the black community after wearing a white lies matter. sure, before owens has put you back in. i think oh, you understood that fast, savannah,

but i also like to say electric record reflect. let the record reflect, rick, that on this day i will forever be no, i'm fact. i'm going to chisel the. that line is more african american than oj simpson dash rick sanchez. let me just say something couple of times. first and 1st and foremost, the answer is yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes, look, i'm here in manhattan and i don't know if you remember this, but during the john gotti trials, there were people who are thrilled when he was acquitted. and it was not because he wasn't not guilty, it was for a variety of reasons. the l. a police were absolutely known for being absolutely despicable. where scroll or not. and i can understand how a lot of folks, i think i would have say like, well, well, well, you didn't care about anything before. you've never cared about any black person ever being convicted already. guilty, white person getting off, but now all of a sudden you get this, this hot shot defended with a hot shot lawyer basically using your laws against you and it just so happens.

thank god for oj, who was the most incompetent police department ever. so? yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes, but let me just throw something and gentleman, which i think is even more important than the racial aspect. isn't it wonderful that we're able to say at our, at our as and age that this was, we was there as a disposable for social media. and gentleman, is it not amazing to you how much more we knew about this with so much of that? a few were instances of coverage, less coverage. we didn't have everybody bleeding and tweeting, and yet they gave rise to cord to be it also by the way, at the time here people would go into sports bar, just a would you turn off the nicks and by the way, turned on oj and by the way it was the night of the slowest b chase. it was a next game. they broke into an n, an n b, a game for this slow speed show. you said there is actually more of the jury and tell it as a matter of fact, it was, you know,

i almost feel like you guys are writing my show for me or something because that was the next video that i was going to play, which is exactly what i'm going to do. when we come back, we're going to take a little break and when we come back, robert lydell and i will discuss and look at that incredible day when all of a sudden everybody in america was calling each other and say, turn on tv, o. j. simpson is about to commit suicide on a freeway. at l. a. in a white bronco. we'll be right back, the

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the window at assuming that the good for them i can look into intermedia, the cairo is the same. send the most of the other to d today and let them listen to the the, let me get them out of here. we're going to do that. i'll give you my whole body. i told me to get the color. we're going to do that. just throw the gun out the window . like we're not gonna bother you. we're gonna let you go up there. just throw it out the window plays,

you scared everybody and it came to me now. busy as the slow speed chase, it seemed like the world knew that o j. simpson had done something. most people believed including the police and he probably had killed his wife and that moment. and now he seemed to be telling the world or implying that he was gonna go somewhere and quietly pick out a gun and kill himself. and that cabbage away, that thing was going to. and everybody was literally watching to see if he would blow his brains out right there on the santa monica freeway with uh with a gun and his. busy buddy from uh from uh, usc, sitting in the seat next to him. i believe that out. how we see. yeah. our colleagues, i think was his name and that's how we all got. after that, there's not a single person who didn't run home every day to, to do projector vcr because they had recorded the simpson case and the trial and everything that happened to it that what was it about that moment? that line and get us started that, that, that,

that sucked us into this and maybe to this day now we, we are always checking the tv to see if there's another oj situation going on. well, well, 1st of all, i got a h to the police officer, just throw a gun out the window, watch somebody picks it up, ridiculous. the 2 things that happened. it taught us how to pay attention to the facts. everybody wanted to know and it was so great. what about race it for us? it was a fax, for example, people at 1st would always say when i did a my radio show in w a, b, c, people became blood splatter experts overnight. everybody would call it, but one guy said in particular, why wasn't there more blood in the bronco? why wasn't that more blood in the bronco? and i said, why was there any button the bronco? this number one. okay, this one? 0 g. since it was a chicago, when all jason, what was your card when they called up? is it by the way your, your ex wife has been murdered? he said, oh, he didn't ask which one. i mean, there were little things that happen. and, and aside from that, people watch the case and what people not much know. most people have never really

seen a trial at all. the judge ito was, i think, robert, you would be a far better judge to judge, you know, who was, of course, the, the a. and i'm not sure what, what the well there's and what the new trial before it, it almost seems like you're the know, but here's the new lives you're new though. it almost seemed like a guy who was star straws. he never bid on camera before. yeah. my on himself little guy, and all of a sudden he's on tv. he's the most famous man in america. he is, he has johnny carson, basically doing that tonight, joe. but it was actually a trial and he didn't set a lot of really stupid things. but here's speaking of stupid because we talk a lot about how johnny cochran took advantage of people's racial sensibilities, which he did um, and i think robert, you agree with that? then it successfully. and there was something to take advantage of. there was a story there to take advantage of what it had to do with the murder, who knows, but he did it. but there was something else that i think had

a lot to do with this case. and that was the lack of competence of the prosecuting team. there was no greater moment then this watch here. here's a guy holding his hand wide open and trying everything doing everything he can to make it look like the glove. that was his. the glove. now doesn't fit now room. 6 or the glove was found with blood on it and water on it and sweat on it. and that it was left in a locker room in the evidence area. it had been san was for a month. and mary, what's a good rubber? good. what any, the prosecutor would tell somebody here, try to put on this glove. it was, you know, when i came from, do you know, do you know where they came out? it was f. lee bailey, f. f. lee bailey, went to chris darden. it said quote, you've got the balls of a stuck for part by, but you have the balls of

a star field mouse. if you don't make o j, try that glove on in front of the jury. any period instead of him doing it out. but that's what happened and that's why he felt for the daily and doesn't seem like a really good guy who was trying to do his best. but boy, in that moment robert patel out to you. uh he may have blown the case with that stupid move. well, you know, the little table probably blown before that. yeah. that didn't help. and the 1st thing that you learned in law school is you never ask a question. you don't nobody answered. yeah. you don't have someone try on the glove. if you don't know the glove is going to fit, you have every opportunity and behind closed doors. then just to check and see if you can, we have somebody on your team or some woodside pants, the old j, you know who the nfl actually even volume here. his glove is what is that for the combine of somebody tried on the bets. are you in the prosecutor's office? and if it doesn't fit, you don't pull this time in front of the camera. it was a beautiful can you will type move, a prosecutor,

many of which are trying to get book deals, open private practices, get on television, etc. and they, they, they got ahead of us games on it, trying to have a big perry mason made for tv moment. and it blew up in their face. you know what? it says something a, by the way, rick, go ahead. go ahead. i'm sorry. uh, jerry consultants told marcia clark 2 things, number one, 1st of all they said black women, hey, you should never do this jury in particular, i never to, she was going to take this to read that because there was domestic violence in the household that that would naturally escalate a jury controlled and said listen, a lot of these women here were saying they know little bit about not all of them, but they've heard about and maybe have experience, domestic violence. it doesn't necessarily turn into murder so that that didn't work . but marshal, cartridges. no, i'm gonna run this and put it this way. if you wanted to throw that case, you couldn't have thrown it better with a couple of bumbling offs. like marcia and chris, they were the worst part,

the keystone cops sticking the bladder in their pocket on the, on the advisor i'm and they found for fact and i can go through this. yeah. oh man, i, i, you know, i don't think there's a, i don't think either one of you was saying there wasn't enough evidence to convict your you're saying that there was enough questions raised about the evidence that may have made it look like. maybe he could be found not guilty of robert. you're going to make a point, go ahead. there's simply the this, the point that one people understand who may be or under, you know, 30 years old and weren't on live with the trial was going on. that is not simply a black white issue. we also have to look at the prosecutors. we have to look at the content that's happened to see the n word on. yeah. yeah. we have to look at the prosecution team that was working on book and television deals. there are a lot of reasons that old j was acquitted beyond simply being the rich black man. and i think 30 plus years later, we can't just summarize it down to the spot. but hold on, hold on. what

a man kills someone. dev it's a hell, by golly, we should find a way to find them guilty. i mean all these things that you guys are saying are like line items for tertiary and secondary points. no, he killed her. no, he didn't know because let me tell you something in the santa monica in the civil trial where he had to take the stand. oh my god, he was the see, know when they said i me, oh they, they killed them, they killed them. but i remember one thing, give you an example. there was a woman at 1050 that night who saw old j n as in, as a white, vertical parking like mad going crazy with a lights off right at the time when he was leaving. but marcia clark and his other said no, we can't put her up because she sold her deal to i don't know, have been hollywood or whatever it was. and the reason why she sold it was because it was, oh, so this was the sheet. so the people watching us in the room, so the millions of people who are watching us have this argument right now or this conversation from all over the world and are asking themselves so gentlemen,

what do i take away from this conversation that you guys are having about the american justice system that any good lawyer or set of lawyers paid enough money can help a guilty man go free? is that what we're saying? which is okay. well, well remember that the burden is not on the criminal defendant to prove his innocence, the burden of it's all the state. yeah, from there beyond a reasonable doubt. so regardless of johnnie cochran has simply stood up, and so we're not going to present a defense at all. and the still have the n word, kate's homework firm and go up. you still have the blood sweater evidence. you still had marcher court bumbling. you still have the gloves failing? oh, they still would have been acquitted. so okay. we have what is the word that are fixing to be a one criminal justice says we're around the one minute go online. no, i wouldn't take it with somebody walking their dog and say, hey, that's all jasons and stabbing 2 people that wouldn't burnett. it just so happened . nobody saw it just so happened that happens general was for,

for 2 of his luck on his part. it was circumstantial. yeah, but let, let the record reflect, hey, tell, know, he almost d tap a day that he's going to be the mother or so and he's dead now. i just, i'm an african american, more african american building. since it's what i know what i'm the one line all router, but what, what others are all included designed to the other young? well, listen to the health and conversation. i'm certainly glad we had it, and i think it opens a lot of eyes and tells us something about ourselves as well. lied old robert. you guys are a delight to talk to. it's been a really good conversation and thank you so much for contributing. thank you. thank you gentlemen. before we go, we want to remind you of our mission here to have well, conversations like that one where really we want to just kind of the silo, the world not live in middle boxes where we think only our truth matters. different people have different ways of saying thanks. i'm rick sanchez. i'll be looking for

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