co conspirator cases then, i mean, no one is acting as of the genocide convention mandates. does that mean an open the way for britain, so neck and, and binding in the united states and as live on the land as co conspirators given bay of pouring the weapon re without which the genocide could not take place. i believe that the breaching and other european countries while supplying is rather with weapons, are complicit in these rows for crimes. that is for america, i'd like to go further and say that the america is not just complete states in these are annual crimes, any in genocide, but the very cases the enabler fee is wally gym assigned. and i say these for 2 reasons. one is that the international community um the while ago

wanted to order the complete comprehensive ceasefire. and there was a resolution to that he said in the security council. so team members voted for the resolution breeching of stain and the united states use the veto. and um and um, uh the, to this resolution. so we could just have a ceasefire, but for america who prevented the cease file. and secondly, the america continues to supply with friends and relations to israel in america could switch and joyce hold with them said munitions. and these are, i don't have no choice but to stop the fighting. so the very top is definitely guilty of obviously patient active participation in the israeli

genocide in um, um, gaza. and it is probably for this reason that joe biden is on himself and unique day, which is a genocide. jo. well, as you know, they are quite open about the fact in the united states and still bug of nature that this will improve the job situation in the, in the united states, increasingly scarred by disparities of power and wealth. actually comparisons between the nazi war economy and the massive pumping of billions of tax dollars into the united states economy in terms of manufacturing artillery shells with which to mass murder, children in the middle east. that it's best not to make any comparisons between law c, germany, and israel. it's best to look at the user as read code in america's record. it's

bad enough, so we don't need to draw any comparisons. and we don't need to exaggerate the scale of these railey destruction income age in the guys, a split street is for the american or economy. it's always been the case that the pose manufacturer is well located in the south of the united states and republican areas. love israel because america abuses throat $3800000000.00. a milli create a here. so this means the american tax, this money goes to use, wrote as a grow, then comes back as a proceed to the american military industrial complex. that's number one, number 2, because the cell is um, with the state of the art equipment, the other states,

one can we address the balance of cash out to some extent and therefore buying american weapons. so if somebody makes a profit off the floor and it's the warlords, they, it's the military. industrial complex in america, which is always supported, was everywhere. for this reason, they supported the more enough county style and they supported the invasion or from you out in 2003 iraq later on because you were bull. and the reason i mentioned the nazis is because genocide at the world court is so ready to learn to all of the, not the experience of, of course, i mean we're lender of was one the prior occasion. but of, of course it's the cause that costs the shadow. when one starts talking about genocide, it's 81 years since the was we'll get through uprising. a 10th of those who are being killed in gaza were killed. of course,

the use of the word resistance in the, in the way media talks about it in britain where you live. how do you see the debates about what is justified is resistance for some reason your, your prime minister, so neck a continues to say is realize the right of self defense, which because it doesn't given, isn't occupying power. do you think they understand the historical perils? i promised this does not have, did not see comparison question. do they understand the historical barrels with the war? so get through uprising that they must be, it will be the last time to stay in the tiles. but now do they understand the international, which is quite clear on the subject, both sooner i can stop uh, repeat higher like what the items is. they never move really made to, from the american position. and they keep repeating. the

israel has the right to defend it so that he doesn't because i'm to international. ready that you have the right to defend your so if you i type by state. but thomas is not a state. secondly, um, if the a tech comes from an area that you occupied, then you don't have the right to a self defense. to put it simply, you don't have the right to self defense against the people that your chris more of a. it's a mouse. if the palestinian is you can go 0. who have the right to resist of the occupation including the resistance. so international law is quite clear that the 0 doesn't have the

right to self defense. in this case, what's the state of freedom in your country? because you're an eminent scholar at also university. i've talked to other oaks and professors on this program actually, who i talk about the scale of debate events and help them they sit in in britain. what is your understanding of the freedom of speech in britain and in western europe given? you mentioned storm a globally, people that know who he is, but he is the person who was promoted by jeremy colbin, the then leader of the opposition labor fozzy. and do it says the things, things like what you being telling me in this interview are mc. somebody take you through his mounted a global campaign to d, legitimize the supporters of the vs. or quote divestment sanctions,

which is the global breast foot pay to end the occupation. and this is a non violent double civil society campaign. it's non violent. i stress that all the main, the minds of the this in trying you mean to national the right of free to, of the 1948 refugees, the right of the senior citizens of the state of israel to uh, uh, a quote to equality that and um and then default your patient, that's the most important the box. well, he's, i am showing, do you mean connection a little? but he's real and it's many friends around the world's conduct. a conduct a campaign against critics, a p as well as the width of my id. somebody please them. and in britain, 3,

the government has adopted the international total cost. memorial association definition of understanding it isn't and it's a non definitely nation. it's completely is not use and the definition itself is useless. it doesn't define anything but then to a series of 11 examples or make a list of what made a cost acute counties semitism, and $711.00 examples relate to ease will be a of these definition is not to protect you is a game. so i have to send me prison, but protect israel against legitimate criticisms of the occupation. so after so many people as being way per night in europe, in germany, in america ending the united kingdom and the government in this country. there's time down on pro palestinian protest. professor ivy sure i'm i'll stop you. best. well from the author of 3 worlds, men was of an arab due after this break the the,

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going on the go, and i'm still here with the marriages professor international relations at oxford university because riley shribel through 3 welds ma'am, was, have an hour and you present time. we said in by one we were talking about this conflation of anti semitism as design, isn't that either? facts. clearly those countries that express solidarity with the palestinians, suffering your birthplace. bagdad was bought them in the past few days a week by british and american. the bomb is a, syria or of course is being bombed, gammon is being bombed. it's even more serious for countries that expressed all of that. he then, for scholars there, i said, any examples that you personally have had that you witness a lack of freedom and you're not being able to speak on these issues. or are you given free reign in the british media to tell us about your views as regards what we're witnessing as regards the gaza genocide?

and i have been the professor international relations have talks it over the last 36 years. and no um, that's my university as a try to restrict my freedom of expression. and i still enjoy is i've always enjoyed complete freedom to express my opinions as i am doing to you in this interview now. but the general picture in the country is not so signed. we don't. the general picture is that the british government is extremely repressive and it keeps bossing legislation. you know the truth street, we don't expression on israel and on the palestinian issue in the gap on keeps giving the police more powerless to come down on pro palestinian but is the

government there was a major, major pro post protest in london a few weeks ago and i went with my wife and my daughter, they were something like 800000 demonstrators. i don't see any, hey. so she knows all those. those are very good spirited off for our friend displayed, or solely diety, with the palestinians. both of them on 6th street, so we have a brother. mine said the feast was i think to mount and she wanted the police stop them out the police to the petty press use to. so we have an extremely repressive government, which is the enemy of civil rights and which is a blind support or fees will go to the young quickly to support a fee as well. and that is the situation here today i have and

i cannot complain that nicely done with this being restricted. but i've also had one encounter which is kind of super, super to my take off the going and toner is off for supporters of palestine in this country. i was invited to give a lecture by leave a portal hope university on the subject of my memory was and the title was design is and the jews of the rock, the personal perspective, a big deal of skill and narrow topic. and yet jews even leave a poor complaint to the university. i'm sorry to use that this would be on safe, and it raised my top would raise appropriateness of safety. and the university didn't ask me to cancel the lecture, but they asked me to postpone it. and i replied right away, i said butcher,

i wouldn't come now and i was never time to go. you'll leave the city because this is not an issue of safety. it's an issue of economic freedom. so academic freedom in britain is being eroded all the time for critics of israel and for supporters or from palestinian right. and the best example i can give you, of these trend in britain is the decline and fall off. jeremy cold in the previous lead to the labor party who was praying, who was accused of 2017 and was an empty racist. i'm paying all these life into the propose a and if you send me to isn't there wasn't any evidence the gays to happen. so it is, he's actually mean he's been on this program and i'll give me

a he started firing people that were close to him on those fake to trumped up. but i had these images and charges it has to be said on israel again, one of the arguable founding minutes was that it was a safe place for jews. so do you think actually given isabel is now giving me the most dangerous plays in the world for jews? do you think that we and he's m c mites are really nothing yahoo and those who enable his government in the bank conflate being jewish with being is riley. i do think that and let them know who is a very good example of this on the nation. because many of his friends and cassim white's like greek to them in hungry like the previous government in poland, the previous government in brazil. these went on to see mites,

but the pro israel and therefore let them yeah. who doesn't care about anyone, please anti semitic as long as the pro is riley. and this reminds me of something that the field or how it so the vision will yes. literally state road to my evenings, diarrhea. at the end of the 19th century, he said the mtc mites will become of the strongest supporters. and we're seeing this phenomenon today at the israel that got mixed up with very nasty company. and this is a slightly different point, these real supplies. so um inside the um, equipment and um is stopping equipment on photos to along to it and drift countries on the world,

including including some of the most repressive regimes. so these are plays a global role. you're supplying weapons and spyware, too, so large range of, um, especially some trees you write about your background in baghdad, in your latest book, what does it make you feel? knowing your government in britain is bombing iraq again? mean, i am absolutely horrified by british policy towards these rarely palestinian country. and this is just one example of the contemporary example, but it's a whole fleet, each policy towards these really protesting and conflict is this is computer also is computer rubbish. it doesn't make any sense because peter says that the 2

penalties should negotiate directly the resolution of the conflict between them. that's the home being any peace stokes for 10 years. israel, the president galvan refuses to have any peace stokes, with the palestinians, and to say the 2 parties should get together to resolve the differences. is like putting a lion and arrive between the cage and telling them to sort out the differences. the 2 state solution, you have changed your level now and recognize that actually only a one state solution is possible. what do you feel and people completely ignore the idea of a one state solution and continue to as joe biden does as a nature of nation leaders. continue to do what is wrong with them going on and on about this 2 state solution. i used to support the 2 state solution

which would have given the measure of justice to the palestinians. and since 1967, this being the broadest possible international consensus between the 2 states behind the idea of a 2 state solution. and it says, become fashionable to say that the dues said solution is that it is indeed that because these ro, she'll be used for al kill date by building supplements and expand the supplements on the waste time and by. i'm exceed east jerusalem. and by building the circle separation will, on the westbank, a separation war is closed behind the apartheid war. so use rel, eliminated the cost of the, the p. o, for example, palestine estate,

all the to the left of the products. females on the west bank is inc. have surrounded by use, regularly settlements and military bases. so i say my starting point, now you said this 2 state solution is dead and these are all his kilby. i'll get for her and say, the 2 state solution was never bone. it was never born because nobody's really done . when since 1967 this i offered a palestinian state on time. such would be acceptable to the most moderate understand leader the 1st of all. and secondly, no american government is a push this through into a to a state of solution. so this is just a convenient phrase for people like buying them. some of them delayed and they keep around 30 on about the 2 state solution. but the reality is that you come

to have a 2 state solution and that's why i have change my views. and now i support the only the project solution to this conflict, which is one state from the jordan river to do me to a nancy with equal rights. equal rights for all the citizens, regardless of nationality. office needs to be all religion. yeah. i think the only way i think you are a police force is over there. don't seem to realize that the, from the river to the c means for jews, christians and wisdom is just finally you mentioned the apartheid will. nelson mandela strategy was of course violence, and the great mount you bridge on the peaceful, much great bunch of bridge on, resulted in tens of thousands killed by us, u. k. you um the weapons at that border of outside war. what, what would you do if you were a palestinian teenager right now in gaza?

would you, uh, would you go with mandela? would you go with gundy? that's what i would do. we've mendera and i would put my trust, you know, civil society because i have no confidence that the western governments would change the position on israel. but there is a gap. there is a disconnect between wisdom governments in the publics. the publics are increasingly pro palestinian. the demonstrations around the arab world and these nomic with the rest of the world in support of the palestinians. so public opinion shifting very, very dramatically now because of the genocide in gaza. again, caesar of any favor of the products being used and therefore, i would, um,

um, uh, i seen that the steam is the only who of the best hope is that public opinion will continue to change. and the international criminal court will take action. we'll proceed with the investigation or will crime scene the occupied territories and that the international court of justice will eventually issue an opinion which would told israel to be guilty of genocide professor every time. thank you you too bye. that's it for the show of continued condolences to those surviving the killing and guys of jerusalem, lebanon, iraq, him and, and syria will be back with the brand new episodes and saturday, until then keep in touch by will that social media, or if it's not sensitive in your country and that's what channels going on. the ground tv, hon, don't come to what you handled episodes of going underground. see,

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