the what brought you to russia? what, at what point did you decide to come join this such a military operation. but it started in 2014. everybody seen it worldwide, the events and you, great and the to date size. i call it, which is what it was, right, wasn't no peaceful revolution. the events that followed was the systematic murder of ethnic russian people. and then of course, most of that was called film. it was how to define it wasn't shown in the main stream, media back home were in the west, but of course i, i came across the, the videos of what happened in odessa, the trade union building with a live band error on the freshest, locked innocent civilians including women and in the building set on fire, killed the move uh khaki where they set buses on 5 can and all the civilians inside

of them. that of course, that's carpet bombing it from the sky. drop in phosphorus, these kind of things. well, why seen in the videos were plentiful? you know, that i originally started the idea in my head the. something's wrong. yeah. i got to stop in a go to help. then of course, the idea in my head was, was compressed in this simply because my tax money was going towards the arms, which will give them to these a binder ice. and these flashes. so i couldn't sit the can sit there and take it. and then of course, seeing the testimony of, of the family and the friends of these victims, you know, cry and breaking down and seeing the houses hope was destroyed and a burg my how so that's why i decided to call them. i couldn't take it in the, you know, but this is basically it for me, at what point did you decide that you,

you need to come, you need to participate to take part in this a 2022. so it was, it was some time before i decided because of course the idea is these crazy, right? so it took me awhile to come to terms with the idea of that's what i wanted to do. but 2022. when the russian involvement happened, and then of course they escalated beyond people's comprehension. so that's when i decided that i was actually going to do it. and i started planning and preparing to come over and fight for the calls. if you ever had any doubts about whether you took the right decisions. no, not. as soon as i landed, i mean i have nothing but a. i mean, the russian people in general of welcome me. i've had nothing but good experiences . and the may is known again, you missed you, family, you miss home. and sometimes maybe those kind of those concrete pin,

but actual doubts with me actually doing this. fighting for the dumbass or russia for russians. no 0 though. and i sacrifice the lot by coming over here, but i will do what over again tomorrow. 10 times over, you know, in your opinion, what do you think uh, you've come over as a volunteer. what do you think is the difference between a volunteer and the mercenaries? that come over for the grant inside money. simply i had no idea of, of the concept of money. i volunteered to me was, i was voluntary. money didn't come into it. and if somebody would come in to out of state home and earn more money, you know, it was the, the idea of the simple, simple explanation is ideological for volunteer on the russian side. listen, that's my experience of coming across a volunteer is where as you go to the great inside that, that paid silly amounts of money and is obvious that at for the money or that,

that for the adventure of it. and that because some of them, the psychopaths and they like killing cause in that that's my understanding of it. and i don't seem to get that from the volunteers on the, on the russian side from the west. now the british government has been talking about you and others come over as traitors to the ridge government. what do you think of what they're saying? as far as labeling people like yourself traitors? ways is a is a deliberate tactic that's for sure. the traits, the woods, assume the are the fights and against my own country, which officially and technically, i know it's because brits and russia adults that war at least officially any way i don't know is, is a deliberate probably. i think they want to destroy my reputation. they want to destroy the idea of bridges and citizens coming over to russia as a volunteer. i just think is

a load of rubbish. and i think the car just estimation of me in the process is to maybe stop of citizens of having this similar, well the same way they have to come over and do the same thing, which there is people that they want to do. i know that because i've spoken to people, you know, isn't of a tactic. if there's anyone find for us there is going to be a criminal, a drug addicts, and alcoholics for us. you see what they did. so julie inside is just simply for reporting the truth. they may know the sex offender, right. even though he's clearly innocent. so i wasn't above and per se, but it's more when they start doing this kind of character, assassination, all the psychopaths spot coming out of the woodwork for the difference. if i move i difference. friends of i, the for us personally is a, is like a war for ducks back from me. but what kind of mentality is, uh, did you run into as far as people in the u. k, before you came over here for their product of the education system that's for sure

. the past 10 years or so. the west has just been in bach and on a very busy course of events. it's ok breaking down the traditional families that doesn't exist anymore. hardly any one, i know that parents and that will get together mothers has got free for kids of free for different 5 as of that's kind of and then the o g, b, t q, traditional, family values, conservative values which most people would consider normal. and the say a breakdown of that, so it's kind of like society is dying. is this become in the most just the general say, you know, i see that happening. so yeah. the last time he is a real thing good to and you can, you can really see it in real time. so that's kind of is that way me by your question. yes, that had been heard as far as this conflict, the people actually understand anything with the conflict. and do they have enough

knowledge to understand anything about the conflict? because most people are so busy in their lives, working, survive effectively. they just watch what they see on tv, read what they read in newspapers. so no, i would say overall 90 percent of people that i encountered in the u. k. in terms of this situation in the past, you know, will between russia and ukraine, the eve of 2 per year, great in full, very antsy, russian is a very nice so that's kind of live encountered. and i don't think it's that anything is going to get better anytime soon. but then of course you do have that 10 percent which see the reality of what's going on. have you been able to change anybody's mind? do you think it will be able to change anybody's mind as cognitive dissonance? so absolutely, no, i can think of one example was minus to change anyone's mind on that. if any think

you saw the show and then fax, the slideshow, and then videos, they go into complete denial. and if anything gas, she probably hobbins the original opinion on being per ukrainian and nancy russia. so now i've not been able to change anyone's mind. so then anyone that's kind of a political and they still kind of side with the for ukrainian cause because of what they see on the tv in the newspapers. but as i said, there is about 10 percent like me, which see what's going on. see the evil of demonic forces that play in the west. and, you know, as a result, they do support russia but very few and far between. because if you, if you actively and openly support russia in, in the west, in britson, you can lose your job. you know, and then of course, you've also got a journalist rich this journal is that when, as i said were for what happened, did this happen to the new grade? they simply told the truth, they have the houses sees,

bank account sees accused of being preapproved in stages. so you can't win. you know, that make it live very uncomfortable. if you side with russia or you at least try and expose the truth of what's going on, there's also the u. k 4. and listen to that. there's been talk for several of the british politicians about using that to arrest you. uh would the out to say of as, as far as well i think it was uh the, the, the kind of, uh co richard cam. right. so i spoke about that in the press. i mean, the one thing i would say to him directly is, i think he needs to worry about the war crimes that he's committed in iraq and afghanistan. rather than trying to get on my case about the situation. but in terms of that for an investment acts, my understanding is if i go abroad and then joined the army of a nation at war against a peaceful nation. ukraine, which we all know is

a load of rubbish. not technically makes me a terrorist. and i think the technically makes me a little criminal. so if i were to go back home, i'm under no illusion i'd, i'd be arrested not face a long time in jail for now where you came over here. oh, what kind of attitude did you run into when people see somebody coming from the u. k. to join the russian side in russian? i think uh originally, especially when those, for instance, when i went to a ship, i'm a recruitment sense. i. one of the offices laughed at me when i purchased my brace passport and it wasn't, you know, i don't mean a laugh was in. he was laughing at me one into 5 a rush. i think he just couldn't believe or comprehend in his mind that someone from britson had come over to fight for them. so i think uh, in some ways is almost like a circus attraction. but then when they realized serious and the actually online nasa, the reasons the russians are fight him. i think he the,

there is respect that i don't think i haven't met too much. maybe a little bit of suspicion because of the bridge nationality, but then quite quickly, once you get to know these people and they get to know you and they know you left for the right reasons, the russians are the most welcoming and hot woman people. there is, you know, especially in the media comrades, you know, i'm a separate russian engineer. so 90 percent of the work we do is reconstruction or construction. but that, that there's 10 percent of us being on the, on the front lines kremlin. i have in one, i remember when we originally go to cramming aia in the back of the cameras and you can able to buttons going off for the odd salary. and, and that was quite hairy because that was the 1st uh, that was the 2nd time. well, you know, you sometimes you question the most highly because of the problems ago and often these are tailored shells going off a minute. then the not far you can feel the vibrations go for your body, free

a chest and sometimes you can leave you breathless. but the, the one time which was very space. scary i'm, i'm, i'm not gonna lie. i won't use it. as i said, i'm just a simple civilian was the 1st and the 2nd night the i go into the dumbass account came on the fire and we had to evacuate that, that's how close they were. so those situations make you question your own mortality, you know, sometimes will tell us if there was one p less than that, you could take away from your experience since you've gotten what would add one pos and be the most difficult question. sort of up with you on the spot i, i, i don't know if is if is it less than per se, but is finally been able to stand on my own c, c, and be independent thinking impacts and wise in terms of i'm able to forge my own

path in life, which in the u. k. i never felt i could as language when a barrier for you. uh, coming from obviously is a, uh most i speak only english. they don't learn a secondary language. is that much? uh, we did the speak russian when you got here or how's devolution been? uh, as far as communication my, my russian is, is very small. i'm trying to learn the language. i just find it very hard. sartain in my head. she's an ongoing process. i wish that i could be faster learning the language, but we kind of make it work is, is sometimes it can be challenging initially it was but then of course you find a way so was pigeon english pension russian sign language. you kind of things, they work out quite quickly and then of course, he will spending all this time with you. call me as you can find the common language. there's one thing you could have changed in this whole trip. this whole

process that you've gone through would have been i don't think there's any think i would change simply because that it would, over my experience, you know, i haven't had many negative experiences here. is maybe, maybe the one thing that i could change is that there's been times where the it can be little late, you know, especially with a language barrier naturally. and you may be excluded from half the conversation with people generally if you don't speak rushing to, that's maybe the negative experience, but maybe that as well as you know, you miss you missed home comforts, you know, friends, family, that's probably the only thing that's really both of the times, you know, now it's no secret that ukraine is in the retreat, and then we're moving forward up and down the front and ukraine's desperately trying to move lice people and get more people. the front lines. do you think of the, at some point, nato nato troops are going to come in and fight for your grain? or i think it's pretty clear then they owe troops already the the term sheet that

comes to mind. you know, when that pulled out of the me, with the intelligence and over. so if they're of a cool, there's pros with an i ability for them. but as, as you well know, as with a journal as well. no, that's tens of thousands oppose. you probably got thousands of americans, probably hundreds of british, and then of course you use the whole, the trainers and instructors over that under the guise of, of the training. so that already the but if you focus on the unofficial war what i will, i don't think you would have to. and i think i see in the next proxy would probably be poland. so i think if you're going to have an issue with, with nato i, i, i think they would use poland next, rather than going head to head with russia because they couldn't win. what do you have to say for any other guys that are thinking about coming over, fight for that? you create inside simply open your eyes for one of the evidences there. if you want to see it. i mean, if you want to go fi, fi crane, and then they've gone home in

a wooden box based on, well, there's an audiology, so i would recommend they wouldn't do such a thing. but of course they've got their reminds and they're going to do what they're going to do. but what, what have you noticed over the last couple months as far as and being on the ground moving uh, with the front lines with the conditions and moving forward. as far as i can see, in terms of other than the, the one incident that i told you about where we had to evacuate the kind of boughs that was early as a temporarily temporarily. and then of course the russians and pushed back. so now and again, you might get a tactical withdrawal for a few kilometers, but that's if that's considered a victory for ukrainians and then afterwards they lose that ground anyway. then then you know, they, they really need some help. but no, i don't see any any um, what i see is victory. you know, those areas where we've been and then of course ahead of us front line troops of

completely obliterated the ukrainians where they have to withdrawal. and then of course, what happens then is as engineer as we go forward to make camps and we'll have you . so my, my understanding, my, and my experience is the i the, i see nothing but the cranium is getting push back, considering the possibility that you have to fight nato troops. what do you use your stance on that? are you prepared to the, to meet that kind of, of challenge or do you have any reservations? no, none of cool say it's any kind of fight and whether you put in your, your life at risk is, is you make sure apprehensive in some ways, especially when you that but you know, this, this idea of the nato troops and this some kind of secret weapon is going to turn the part of the war. they could all get involved at this point in that. so we're not going to win their own russian stores that must i simply why they was when. but finding my fellow countryman press say, if i were to come up against the i wouldn't hesitate and i know that sounds again.

the word traits of will be comes to mind when people have me save that for schools . i'm fighting for a cause is audiology for me, so whatever they want me to do, i'm going to do. so my 1st ability. so no, i'm not ready. i'm. it doesn't really bother me if, if i come up against nato troops, per se, is a, and i sounds kind of cut. so i was kind of blog a like, i'm not above it this, like i more the head of fights in the war. it makes no difference whether it's a ukrainian flag or nato flagging. right? understand? well, as far as your family, do you think you're gonna any little we're comfortable going to see you here? are you going to be able to see them again? well for they want to see you i've comes uh, comes in terms of the fact that a lot of my friends, i'm never going to say again, you know, i can't go home to any funerals or weddings or policies. so, you know, my children's birthdays. i think as my children get older,

they probably would come out and see me in, in russia. and some of my family have said that they want to come and see me in russia. but then of course, saying, and she doing, it seems different methods. so i don't know as far as i'm concerned, amiga, russia, and i'm finding new life and it is kind of like, i've accepted the idea of already that maybe that might not happen. so i might not get to see my friends or family again. and so the british for us labeled you as, as a traitor, as we said before, and they said that your family to sonya what do you say today was how much of that is true? how much of that is a yellow journalism is i call it as well. it is, is partly true, but it's, it's not any information that they've claimed i've been pretty open with that on my say for me to is in terms of um, my, my journey. so to speak, and half of my family have this, i me some of my friends of the so me they would speak to me. and the simple reason for that is that not really political people, they sit down in front of the tv after holidays work,

eating the dinner. and they see the news and they kind of believe what they see on that, which is, you know, most people in most countries that's kind of the case. you know, so they've kind of, um, took offense to me coming over here on the list which, which family members and you know to which, um, which people are that it is that i have to show me but yeah, i would say over half my family have to so me for coming over to russia the, the most painful aspect of it is i now i don't see my children as a result. you know, right. i understand the day know that you were coming over it. was it a surprise? it was also backed up, it was a surprise. i mean, you probably maybe 2 people knew and they were like personal friends which still supposedly. but no one else knew at to be kept up top secret because if it wasn't, and then i wouldn't get it out of the country cuz i was detained as it was when i was in london, apple under the terrorism act. but of course then there was no evidence the, the i was doing any wrong doing. so they had to release me cuz of course i was

going to rush around holiday, you know, so a secondary, so you are flying the rush on a holiday as far as i knew, and they detained you or they are under the section 7 and terrorism. i to vote for like free for hours and then they let me go and i got my flight just in time. is that something they do for everybody? or is that something that well, you got booked out the crowd. they don't do that to everybody, but of course i don't know why they did that to me may maybe they were aware of my political lien. and so that, that's basically the only thing that i can think of if they knew that i was pro russian. and then of course, i think that was probably the reason they pulled manual into the office. what do you do in while you go in there for these different questions they were asking me, but again, no evidence of any wrong doing. so the, i'm, so letting me go on the flight to, to come to russia. and that's why i did reduce your you because a single one does not, or the u. k. is not officially a war with the russian. any of us in any sense. and at the same time,

you have the freedom to make your own decisions, to, to choose your own side. but you got pulled out because of your readings. i think i think that's probably good. cool. so i'd imagine when it comes to the security services, any british citizen go into russia, that kind of is, is kind of going to come up on the system or why they go in that for some, maybe you might get a little investigation into your name. i don't know why they did it, but of course if i was going to key of none of that, what happened? right. which is quite how i run it. it is ironic. is it a, uh, what do you say as far as the terrorism that the, the regime and key if that's been the sponsor for august city, other terrorist attacks with a desk or on the, i mean this is a, you can see with, with the situation especially in moscow, and then of course, i drove in attacks into russian territory. and then of course, probably in mocking places in belgrade cities, the last furrows of

a desperate regime. i think of course is disgusting because these innocent people again murdered in names and order like all do i would like or i can say really is i, i condemn the and all that's gonna happen is that just going to get stronger response and it's just going to when will quicker to be for now, does any of the come out in the british press? the british people see anything associated with that, with the crock, a city, or with any of the bombings in belgrade or in the den? yes, belgrade, the that's not really other than if they try and blame russia for doing it for bombing themselves. it's got the, the, the attack in the, the attack in and most go was televised in the west. but of course my, my understanding from people back home is they was, is i make a terrorist that did it. and of course ukraine had played no part. and i suppose in a way, even though i know these things, the west side of loans is like sometimes that they're in your head. you know, so i, i come to russian. i think actually of what they said. this is not true,

but if anything is the complete opposite is not only not sure as completing fake, completely follows an actual fact. i feel free a, in russia than i do in the united kingdom, which may sound as odd to some people. but to me, that's my experience, you know, you know, and i've heard in my direction, i've heard of the other people that i know from the west that came over the usual accusation is you're being hoodwinked. you're being pulled around what you're knows, you're not seeing the real truth. what would you say to that? i mean, i these people to read in newspapers and watching tv. i'm living there. you know, that's, that's the difference. you know, i can be very abrasive at times, you know, so if, if there's things that i see that i'm not happy with, i'll say i don't have those experiences with offices and combine, does a few incidences where i was unhappy? i spoke to them approach them and they resolved that instantly. so i don't know being hood, we see the issues i did,

which is minor issues. it's probably not even relevant to the conversation. but my point being is i was able to remedy these situations quite quickly. being hoodwinked, being on some so i mean, you know, i don't know what to say to that. is this complete rubbish or like if i was being, if i was being would wait until would be during these interviews? no, great, i'm pretty sure if i'd be press gang to the front and nobody really speaking to me . no, i. this is what are they going to say here, eva? i come to rush out to fight for them. best buy. i'm a drug addicts. i'm an alcohol, they come to criminal, you know, this is, this is what they do. then of course, when that doesn't work and people can see that that's not working. they then start with this nonsense, like i'm being hood weights and next in the papers. bill prints in stage 2 things which you know they've, thanks 5 our the anyway of both. is there anything you like to tell us anything more before we end the interview?

anything the, any message that you want to give to your family? is there anybody else that's going to be listening to this? watching you mainly to the british people. that's a full inquiry and i'm the government, the support ukraine is. is the last calls. the loan is a law schools x a is, is the wrong cause. you know, you're going over the, you know, here, murder and people, people, bridge soldiers which ago know vanessa of and then the, i don't know what reasons they may go for the, in the have of my, my imagination would, i imagine that it would be money and the fact that probably psychopaths and they like the idea of go in to, to find a war. so well they need to do is lay down that guns because they've only a problem. they will no quarrel with russia out. there's no reason for those to fight for ukraine, you know, the fascist regime, which openly simple band our and if they know, believe me, the people back home. i mean in terms of maybe watching this or read in the

newspapers or whatever. you know, for a quick google search will show you the spectrum is about an error, and i will show you the ukraine, you know, they have a national holiday after band there and they'll just bond arrow. so they have a fascist that with members of the organization of ukrainian nationally. so i think it was cool. there you and so yeah, there's no quarrel. so i have, you know, i want to purchase soldiers to put their guns file, go back home. i'd like to thank you. thank you for your time and for your honesty and openness and for the audience. i think the odds are really, really appreciated, which you have to say. thank you. well, i appreciate the opportunity. thank you again the the, the, the see, the silver,

the somebody. how can it be that um the ship to the middle east from a country whose top officials constantly complain about shortages of our munition and military equipment is literally locate in the blue but of boston llc, or even maybe a little in your system with below grade level nominal facility or some of those other slash we, i'm about to the easiest you to know, you know, so one of the easiest number, mobile bubbles, a sort of of nice stuff to kind of get the 2nd kind and what level. why are weapons from ukraine spreading over the world? to turn this country into a major arms hub, will continue to bolster ukraine's and forces by rushing them or capabilities that they need to defend their country. everyone knows very well that we don't sell but known as pineapples or any kind of children's toys. we sell women's. yes. we're also known in the world as arms dealers that we must not be ashamed of that

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