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the, this is a daily show. it's very different. hi everybody. you know why it's different? we called no punches. so look for the truth, bob, number one, how the o j simpson trial changed america to file number 2? was it all about vengeance group? i'm number 3. is race forever going to be a part of who we are because of that since then. and even now i'm rick sanchez. this is direct impact the

. this is a really important topic for america, and i think you get it if you're old enough to remember the o. j. simpson case. mr. simpson, as you know, recently passed the o. j. simpson trial was a kind of clipping moment for americans. it was, it was the story of, of, of a very much like professional athlete who also happened to be very handsome. and on a 1000000 television commercials pitching everything from soup to nuts, the car rentals he was the guy right until one day that guy was accused of nearly be capitated, not kidding, capitated. his wife, nicole brown simpson, and a restaurant worker who had come by to return her sunglasses where she was eating. it seemed almost obvious that he had done it and done it in a obvious fit of rage. but then a really smart attorney named johnnie cochran figure that there was really no way that he could defend this very guilty client. i mean, the evidence was everywhere,

lot everywhere. unless you took a different tact. so what he, what if, what if johnny cochran seem to think, what are we going to use history, the history of our nation and race and race relations, and somehow combine them into a neat little ball and make that a defense. america's very white establishment had for centuries. gotten away with kelly. i mean, just murdered lynching. african americans, especially african american men, african americans who were innocent, by the way, for the great majority. is it? so what a somehow that story were melted into o. j. simpson's defense. guess what? it seemed to work as jurors, the majority of who were minorities, by the way, in this case because of where the trial was being held,

seemed to take into account the past. and then they threw in the recent actions of the l. a. police department which at the time was, i mean, almost beyond the pay or when in terms of some of the corruption and some of the things that they were doing there. and then the hughes that, that, that ball of information to punish the states. lawyers for prosecuting this fine upstanding african american man. joining us now to discuss the o j simpson case and more. we are joined by legal and media analyst turning model of light on media and attorney, writer and political commentator robert patillo, who was running by the way to be a superior court judge in fulton county, georgia not far from where i used to live when i worked at cnn. so let's just start with this. i'm gonna play a little video for you, and i'm just gonna ask you guys to put yourself there when you watch this happened, the verdict scene by. by the way, the verdict was seen by more people than watch

a super bowl. it was seen by a 150000000 people and here it is. we the jury and the boss and title action find the defendant or job owens all, jane simpson, not guilty of the crime of murder and violation of penal code. section $187.00, a, a felony upon nicole brown simpson. so there you go. i mean, i think that even though j surprise he's found not guilty when he turns to. but johnny cochran says that i did, she said not guilty. um. and then 2 completely different reactions. black america, african american saw the, the, the, the verdict and they reacted like this, watch century, sometime latch and find the defendant orange job runs all jameson. so not guilty of the these are, these are white americans. they see the reaction,

they don't move their jobs are dropped, their stand to different reactions from how can this be one case, one country, it's like they were watching different cases. how can this be lab or get us started? a lot of things important. looking at the backdrop of the o. j. simpson trial, and what would have been going on the suddenly 5 years proceeding as you go from that historic run to reverend jesse jackson. 19841988. and then the transitions directly into the rodney king beating the la riots there. you have the pur, uh this prevents. so yeah, we showed the taking place in america that was playing out in cities across the country and the purple that the backdrop of a corrupt police department in the lapd but many people in los angeles had experienced their corruption. and many people around the country have experience, similar corrupt and where police departments i think we can't forget about the

marked firm and tapes, which i think when the turning point in that case. because by being able to paint the police department is being capable of plodding and being capable of framing a black man as often happens. that is what previous mode that i am. i can't be separate from the verdict. i get it and let me stop you because i thought i was way ahead of you on this one, robert. let's play robert. let's play a detective firm and admitting that he was a bit of a racist. this guy was here, this and i use therefore saying that you have not used that word in the past 10 years detective for yes, that's what i'm saying. and you say on your own that you have not addressed any black person as a or spoken about black people as in the past 10 years detective for. that's what i'm saying. so that anyone who comes to this court and for you as using that word in dealing with african americans would be a liar. would they not detective? yes, they were all of them, correct? all of them. so one detective was erases. so that means you've got to let

a guy who killed people go free. seems really bizarre to me, but i totally got it. just like i totally get what robert just said about everything leading up to this moment. what, what, what happens though? line on here's where i want to bring you into. this is so the average i hate using terms like this, but let's just do it for the sake of argument. the average black guy in america jumps up and down and hollers and screams and is celebrating the fact that a guy who everybody knows committed, the murders is getting off. white people are going really, you that, that's, you're going to celebrate the so now they in turn start to go. okay, then you know what? i'm going to see, you, my dear black friend who i haven't gotten that barbecue is with my family all the time. i see you a little differently now. some of those happen, some of it, but a couple of things here. first of all, what you just the clip you showed, i interviewed mark firm and i know the facts of the case and the tapes they were

talking about were in reference to a books that he was writing, correct. what you don't know about is the black family that who's, who's murder of their son mark for him and investigated, and who he had thanksgiving with years later. and i asked mark firm, and the question is, let me ask you a question. mr. farming. did you know where o j. simpson was on the night of the murder. he says no, i said, so let me go further. let's assume you were to have planted this glove. an o. j was in brazil. you look like a damn fool. you have to know he was there, you'd have to know he was there. yes. so they, they. so what they did was they, they framed a guilty man and be not mistaken. i saw we watch this on tv, but i was in santa monica during the civil case and he is as guilty as the day. of course. however, however, there was irrespective of the jury law owes a reasonable doubt that my good friend, johnnie cochran and, and barrett,

there's laid out and was there a racial divide? certainly, keep in mind that the venue for this could have been santa monica. but the deal guy said he was told specifically you're going to do this in a way cuz we're not going to have a repeat of rodney king, but i would because they couldn't afford another riot. but, but the point i'm trying to make is, did, did it. you see, i kind of believe robert, that it set us back a little bit. i think just as we were getting to the o. j. simpson trial. there was a feeling in america that we didn't need to fix law enforcement so that it would be less brutal to african americans than others for whites as well, by the way, and uh, and latinos and others. i did that there was a feeling that maybe we could all come together and fix this. and i think when, when, when, when african americans hoped and hollered at that moment when they saw a guilty man being found uh, being freed, essentially that,

that it may have created or made worse a rift or even created a risk that wasn't there before. the see where i'm going with this or am i over. thank you and robert. i think you think you're, you're jumping the shark there, rick. i don't think that the o j verbage a nice people any more racist than they weren't before that i think we have a history of law enforcement of this country being abusive towards the african american. if you look at the founding dates, so many police department is not the 1790s, for example, the under founder of america is an 18321840 is because when law enforcement part before created down fugitive slaves is a history of policing of this country. and their interests of, of, of african americans. so old j from we found a way, a casual up to insert himself into this historical narrative. i ever use that to his benefit, to my car, about this very, a reasonable doubt. and that's all this because here you can of you don't have any direct evidence of of guilt. i think that that that was what the old gy case really

wants to try the touch tone for tommy's be more creative when it comes to finding reasonable doubt in case of touch with this, let me say something else that might get me in trouble, but i think lionel is much more african american then? oj was, i'm sorry, but this is a man who would never date, african american women barely had any african american friends, dated white on women, hung around with white blonde guys. his whole life was basically as the cash there . i say, lily white as possible. i'm on people in the world of all the defendants in the united states to use the defense. oh, me, poor black people and what happened to my ancestors? let me go free. i would argue he had to be the worst candidate or the least deserving candidate to be able to use a kind of what, what were the most, the most forgiving black people for giving my phone. or if you have to remember this one goes going on, right? now me just change the flow and have the site and see what they come back, the black community after wearing a white lives matter. sure before owens has come to you back in. i think oh,

you understood that fascinating. i also like to say, let's just make it reflect, let the record reflect, rick, that on this day i will forever be no, no, i'm fact. i'm going to chisel the. that one is more african american than o. j. simpson dash rick sanchez. let me just say something couple of times 1st and 1st and foremost, the answer is yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes, look, i'm here in manhattan and i don't know if you remember this, but during the john gotti trials, there were people who are thrilled when he was acquitted, and it was not because he wasn't not guilty. it was for a variety of reasons. the l. a police were absolutely known for being absolutely despicable. where scroll or not. and i can understand how a lot of folks, i think i would have say like, well, well, well, you didn't care about anything before. you've never cared about any black person ever being convicted already. guilty, white person getting off, but now all of a sudden you get this, this hot shot defended with

a hot shot lawyer basically using your laws against you and it just so happens. thank god for o. j was the most incompetent police department ever so? yes, yes, yes, yes, and yes, but let me just throw something and gentlemen, which i think is even more important than the racial aspect. isn't it wonderful that we're able to say at our, at our, with as and age that this was, we were there as a differs before social media. and gentleman, is it not amazing to you how much more we knew about this with so much of a fewer instances of coverage, less coverage. we didn't have everybody bleeding and tweeting, and yet they gave rise to cord to be it also by the way, at the time here people would go into sports bar, just a would you turn off the next? and by the way, turn on oj, and by the way, it was the night of the slowest b chase. it was a next game, they broke into an n, an n b, a game for this slow speed show you. so there is actually more of the jury and tell

it as a matter of fact, there were, you know, i almost feel like you guys are writing my show for me or something because that was the next video that i was going to play, which is exactly what i'm going to do when we come back, we're going to take a little break and when we come back, robert lydell and i will discuss and look at that incredible day when all of a sudden everybody in america was calling each other and say, turn on the tv o j simpson is about to commit suicide on a freeway. at l. a. in a white bronco, we'll be right back, the, the world's largest democracy votes the rest of the planet watches in an emerging multi polar world. india's voice matters. but who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide and billions react, the

release of come to the russian states. never. i've side as i'm one of the most sense community best ingles, i'll send, send up the send the 60000, the speed you want else calls cause about this. even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin move the machine, the state on the rush that's per day and split our t. suppose next, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services for the question, did you say even closer to the

the the let me get them out. ok, we're going to do that. my whole body adult. okay, need to get the color we're going to do that. just throw the get out the window. like we're not going to bother you. going to let you go up there. just throw it out the window plays. you scared? everybody. when it came to the know as the slow. busy speed chase, it seemed like the world knew that o j. simpson had done something. most people believed including the police and he probably had killed his wife and that moment. and now he seemed to be telling the world or implying that he was gonna go somewhere and quietly take out a gun and kill himself. and that the package away that thing was going to and

everybody was literally watching to see if he would blow his brains out right there on the santa monica freeway with the, with the gun and his. busy body from uh from uh, usc, sitting in the seat next to him, i believe back out kelly. she yeah. our colleagues i think was his name and that's how we all got. after that, there's not a single person who didn't run home every day to, to, to, to check their vcr, because they had recorded the truth, simpson case and the trial and everything that happened to it that what was it about that moment, that line and get us started that, that, that, that sucked us into this and maybe to this day now we, we are always checking the tv to see if there's another oj situation going on. well, well, 1st of all, the go to the police officer, just throw a gun out the window, watch somebody picks it up, ridiculous. so 2 things that happened. it taught us how to pay attention to the facts. everybody wanted to know and it was so great. what about race it for us? it was a fax, for example, people at 1st would always say when i did

a my radio show and w a, b, c, people became blood splatter experts overnight. everybody would call it the one guy said in particular, why wasn't there more blood in the bronco? why wasn't that more blood in the bronco? and i said, why was there any button to bronco this number one? okay, this one? 0, jason's it was issued cargo. went all jason, who was your card when they called up. is it by the way your direct wife has been murdered? he said, oh, you didn't ask which one? i mean there were little things that happened and, and aside from the people watch the case and what people not much know. most people have never really seen a trial at all. the judge ito was, i think, robert, you would be a far better judge to judge, you know, who was, of course the, the a. and i'm not sure what, what the well there's, and what the police did a trial before it. it almost seemed like you're the know, but here's the, your lives, you're new to. it almost seemed like a guy who was sparse drugs. he never bid on camera before. yeah. my on himself, little guy and all of a sudden these on tv. he's the most famous man in america. he is,

he is johnny carson, basically doing that tonight, joe. but it was actually a trial and he didn't set a lot of really stupid things. but here's speaking of stupid because we talk a lot about how johnny cochran took advantage of people's racial sensibilities, which he did um, and i think robert, you agree with that? been successfully. and there was something to take advantage of. there was a story there to take advantage of what it had to do with the murder, who knows, but he did it. but there was something else that i think had a lot to do with this case. and that was the lack of competence of the prosecuting team. there was no greater moment then this watch here. here's a guy holding his hand wide open and trying everything doing everything he can to make it look like the glove. that was his. the glove. now doesn't fit now room. 6

or the glove was around with blood on it and water on it and sweat on it. and that it was left in the locker room and the evidence area had been san was for a month and many. what's a good rubber? good. what any prosecutor would tell somebody here, try to put on this glove it was, you know, when i came from, do you know, do you know where they came out? it was f, lee bailey, f. f. lee bailey, went to chris darden and said, quote, you've got the balls of a stuck port bar, but you have the balls of a star field mouse. if you don't make o j try that blood borne in front of the jury. any period instead of him doing it out, but that's what happened and that's why he fell for a bailey and doesn't seem like a really good guy who was trying to do is best. but boy, in that moment, robert patel out to you. uh, do you mind blowing the case with that stupid move? well, you know, the little table probably blown before that. yeah, that didn't help. and the 1st thing that you learned in law school is you never ask

a question. you don't, nobody answered. yeah. so you don't have someone try you on the glove. if you don't know the glove is going to fit, you have every opportunity in behind closed doors. then just to check and see if you can, we have somebody on your team or some woodside pants, the old j, you know, who the nfl actually you can buy up here his gloves and see what his step for it to come by. and have somebody try it on the back or in the prosecutor's office, and if it doesn't fit, you don't pull this time in front of the camera. it was a beautiful can you will type move, a prosecutor, many of which are trying to get book deals, open private practices, get on television, etc. and they, they, they got ahead of schemes on it. pioneer have they've big perry mason made for tv moment, and they blew up in their face. you know, and it says something. and by the way, rick, go ahead. go ahead. i'm sorry. uh, jerry consultants told marcia clark 2 things. number one, 1st of all they said black women, hey, you saw a number to this jury particular number 2. she was going to take this to read that

because there was domestic violence in the household that, that would naturally escalate and jury controlled and said listen, a lot of these women here were saying they know little bit about not all of them, but they've heard about and maybe have experience domestic violence. it doesn't necessarily turn into murder so that that didn't work. but marshall cartridges. no, i'm gonna run this and put it this way if you wanted to throw that case, you couldn't have thrown it better with a couple of bumbling offs. like marcia and chris, they were the worst. was the keystone cops sticking the bladder in their pocket on the, on the advisor i'm and they found for fact and i can go through this. yeah. oh man, i, i, you know, i don't think there's a, i don't think either one of you was saying there wasn't enough evidence to convict your you're saying that there was enough questions raised about the evidence that may have made it look like. maybe he could be found not guilty of robert. you're going to make a point, go ahead. there's somebody that was the, this, the point that one people understand who may be or under, you know, 30 years older,

weren't on live with the trial was going on. that is not simply a black white issue. we also have to look at the prosecutors. we have to look at the content that's happened to see the n word on. yeah. yeah. we have to look at the prosecution team that was working on book and television deals. there a lot of reasons that oj was acquitted beyond simply being a rich black man. and i think 30 plus years later, we can't just summarize it down to that but, but hold on, hold on. what a man kills someone. dev it's a hell, by golly, we should find a way to find them guilty. i mean all these things that you guys are saying are like line items for tertiary and secondary points. no, no, no, he killed her. no, he didn't know because let me tell you, he'll be in the santa monica in the civil trial where he had to take the stand. oh my god, he was this, you know, when they said, i mean he all they, they killed them,

they killed them. but i remember one thing give you an example. there was a woman that 1050 that night who saw old j. n. as in, as a white, vertical parking like mad going crazy with a lights off right. at the time when he was leaving. but marcia clark and his other said no, we can't put her up because she sold her deal to i don't know, have been hollywood or whatever it was. and the reason why he sold it was because it was, oh, so this was the key. so the people watching us in was that racism, so the millions of people who are watching us have this argument right now or this conversation from all over the world and are asking themselves. so gentlemen, what do i take away from this conversation that you guys are having about the american justice system that any good lawyer or set of lawyers paid enough money can help a guilty man go free? is that what we're saying? which is okay. well, well remember that the burden is not on the criminal defendant to prove his innocence, the burden and the on the state. yeah, from there beyond a reasonable doubt. so regardless of johnnie cochran had simply stood up and said,

we're not going to present a defense at all. and the still have the n word, kate's homework, fermon. so up, you still have the blood sweater evidence. you still had marcher court bumbling. you still have the gloves failing? oh, they still would have been acquitted. so okay. we have the patients with a one criminal justice as well, but one minute go online. oh, all i want to check in with somebody walking their dog and say, hey, that's all jason, some stabbing to people that would have been it just so happened. nobody saw it just so happened that happens general was for for to it as luck on his part. it was circumstantial. yeah. well, let, let the record reflect, hey, tell, know, he almost d tap a day that he's after meant to be the mother or so, and he's dead now. i just, i'm an african american, more african american children. since i know what i'm the one line on robert, but what, what is that? what are the other young?

well, listen to the health and conversation. i'm certainly glad we had it, and i think it opens a lot of eyes and tells us something about ourselves as well. lied old robert. you guys are a delight to talk to. it's been a really good conversation and thank you so much for contributing. thank you. thank you gentlemen, before we go, it want to remind you of our mission here to have well, conversations like that one where really we want to just kind of di, silo the world not live in middle boxes where we think only our truth matters. different people have different ways of saying things i'm or extension. i'll be looking for you right here on direct impact the

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