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he did show up the day after he was inbe dieted in arizona. maybe it was planned be in advance, but it's certainly worth following. >> it again shows how many of these criminal plots intersect. this is someone now indicted for 2020 election crime trying to defend trump against a 2016 election crime as the supreme court hears the related coup election crime and we showed that. i want to put up on the screen just how many of trump's lawyers and other officials are in trouble. i know it looks like a lot of stamps. we'll start in the lower right where you have donald trump now an unindicted co-conspirator this week in arizona. that would be big news and it goes along with other indictments he faces. as you move over on the screen you see epshteyn, unindicted co-conspirator in georgia and now indicted in had arizona. where do they fit in? it doesn't look like the other people are getting into it. >> something i've known as a prosecutor, how slowly justice appears to take place. we are getting to the find out point, right? donald trump is sitting in
he did show up the day after he was inbe dieted in arizona. maybe it was planned be in advance, but it's certainly worth following. >> it again shows how many of these criminal plots intersect. this is someone now indicted for 2020 election crime trying to defend trump against a 2016 election crime as the supreme court hears the related coup election crime and we showed that. i want to put up on the screen just how many of trump's lawyers and other officials are in trouble. i know it...
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his aid, boris epshteyn is in the courtroom even after being indicted in arizona for the fake elector scheme there. what more are we hearing from members of trump's inner circle right now? >> look, let's not forget that arizona is not the only state where there have been indictments in a fake elector scheme. you have folks indicted in michigan and in georgia and some of the same people are indicted in all three of those states, including rudy giuliani who just spoke out about this. take a listen. >> what's the purpose of it? i mean, do you really think you're going to put us in jail if all of those places? like after my first 20 years in atlanta, i'm going to go to arizona, and then after my next 20 years, i'm going to go to michigan. no, the whole thing is to scare people so nobody will tell the truth and come to the aid and defense of an innocent man, donald trump. >> reporter: in the arizona case, trump is listed an unindicted coconspirator number one, but he's facing charges in fulton county, and federal charges in washington, d.c. related to attempts to overturn the 2020 election
his aid, boris epshteyn is in the courtroom even after being indicted in arizona for the fake elector scheme there. what more are we hearing from members of trump's inner circle right now? >> look, let's not forget that arizona is not the only state where there have been indictments in a fake elector scheme. you have folks indicted in michigan and in georgia and some of the same people are indicted in all three of those states, including rudy giuliani who just spoke out about this. take a...
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. >> including one who's in court with him now, we are told, who just yesterday was indicted in arizona, but that's another story for another day. so david, coming out of court yesterday, this was donald trump's review of the trial again yesterday. >> today was breathtaking that this room you saw what went on, it was breathtaking and amazing testimony. this is a trial that should not have ever happened. this is a case that should never have been filed, and it was really an incredible -- an incredible day. >> amazing testimony. the only testimony was david pecker's, and given that most analysts believe it set up the prosecution's case well, you wonder what he was so pleased about. is it just that david pecker said at the very end of the day in direct testimony that he was a mentor and a friend? >> yeah, chris, i see that differently. i see trump always the showman reaching for a narrative that he's trying narrative that he's trying to sell, but he even realizes in that moment, he doesn't have anything to sell. for people who have said trump looks weak and feeble and hollow, that's what i
. >> including one who's in court with him now, we are told, who just yesterday was indicted in arizona, but that's another story for another day. so david, coming out of court yesterday, this was donald trump's review of the trial again yesterday. >> today was breathtaking that this room you saw what went on, it was breathtaking and amazing testimony. this is a trial that should not have ever happened. this is a case that should never have been filed, and it was really an...
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in arizona, a grand jury indicted several members of mr. trump's inner circle wednesday, accusing them of falsely awarding the state's electoral votes to mr. trump, despite his loss to president biden. the sending of phony slates of pro-trump electors to congress to disrupt the election's certification on january 6th looming large at the high court, as well. as the justices look to determine the line between a political candidate's actions taken for personal gain from a president's official conduct that could be immune from prosecution. >> laura jarrett reporting for us there. lisa rubin, it was fascinating, first of all, to listen, to get an ear into the supreme court for the oral arguments over nearly three hours yesterday. listening to the untrained ear, it sounded like the justices are skeptical, to say the least, of a claim that a president, any president, has blanket immunity, absolute immunity for anything he or she does in office. but some of the conservative justices did seem open to kicking it back down to the trial court. what wa
in arizona, a grand jury indicted several members of mr. trump's inner circle wednesday, accusing them of falsely awarding the state's electoral votes to mr. trump, despite his loss to president biden. the sending of phony slates of pro-trump electors to congress to disrupt the election's certification on january 6th looming large at the high court, as well. as the justices look to determine the line between a political candidate's actions taken for personal gain from a president's official...
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in arizona a grand jury indicted several members of mr. trump's inner circle wednesday accusing them of falsely awarding the state's electoral votes to mr. trump despite his loss to president biden. the sending of phony slates of pro-trump electors to congress to disrupt the election certification on january 6th looming large at the high court as well. as the justices look to determine the line between a political candidate's actions taken for personal gain from a president's official conduct that could be immune from prosecution. >> that was nbc's lara jarrett reporting. and joining us now is msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. thanks for waking up early because i think one of the biggest legal issues i have to ask you about from watching and listening yesterday is the argument from trump's attorneys that the justices have to distinguish between personal and official acts of a president. what did you make of that argument? it got pretty dark at various points. >> yesterday was a day of doomsday hypotheticals, which really echoes the socra
in arizona a grand jury indicted several members of mr. trump's inner circle wednesday accusing them of falsely awarding the state's electoral votes to mr. trump despite his loss to president biden. the sending of phony slates of pro-trump electors to congress to disrupt the election certification on january 6th looming large at the high court as well. as the justices look to determine the line between a political candidate's actions taken for personal gain from a president's official conduct...
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. >> this is the amazing split screen we saw today is that in the state of arizona, everyone below trump is subject to the criminal justice system. everyone like michael cohen in the new york case did the crimes, not for themselves, none were going to be president or have immunity, they acquired shame and high legal bills. they are all from rudy giuliani to the white house chief of staff, you name it, all of them including the 11 fake electors in arizona are subject to the criminal justice system and everyone in the crimes for trump must face the criminal justice system. everyone according to the supreme court, trump. this is monarchism. the i.d. of the founders of the country decided to exit a monarchy and then create a different monarchy here is insane. >> more the recap of the action in the united states supreme court in trump's new york courtroom as well, i had. what is cirkul? cirkul is the fuel you need to take flight. cirkul is the energy that gets you to the next level. cirkul is what you hope for when life tosses lemons your way. cirkul, available at walmart and drinkcirkul.com.
. >> this is the amazing split screen we saw today is that in the state of arizona, everyone below trump is subject to the criminal justice system. everyone like michael cohen in the new york case did the crimes, not for themselves, none were going to be president or have immunity, they acquired shame and high legal bills. they are all from rudy giuliani to the white house chief of staff, you name it, all of them including the 11 fake electors in arizona are subject to the criminal...
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is that in the state of arizona, everyone below trump is subject to the criminal justice system. everyone who like michael cohen in the new york case did the crimes not for themselves. they acquired nothing but shame and high legal bills. and they are all from rudy giuliani to the white house chief of staff. you name it. all of them includeing the 11 fake electors in arizona are subject to the criminal justice system. everyone who did crimes for trump must face the criminal justice system. everyone according to the supreme court, but trump. >> but those are official acts for president trump. >> this is monarchism. the idea that the founders of this country decided to exit a monarchy and create a different monarchy here is insane. >> we have much more of our recap of today's action in the united states supreme court. and new york's trump courtroom as well. a lot to get to. stay with us. o. stay with us. you know, i spend a lot of time thinking about dirt. at three in the morning. any time of the day. what people don't know is that not all dirt is the same. you need dirt with the r
is that in the state of arizona, everyone below trump is subject to the criminal justice system. everyone who like michael cohen in the new york case did the crimes not for themselves. they acquired nothing but shame and high legal bills. and they are all from rudy giuliani to the white house chief of staff. you name it. all of them includeing the 11 fake electors in arizona are subject to the criminal justice system. everyone who did crimes for trump must face the criminal justice system....
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that in the state of arizona, everyone below trump is subject to criminal justice. everyone like michael cohen in the new york case did the crimes not for themselves. none of them were going to serve office or be president or have immunity. they have nothing but shame and high legal bills. from rudy giuliani, the white house chief of staff, you name it. all of them including the 11 fake collectors in arizona are subject to criminal justice and everyone who did crimes for trump must face the criminal justice system. everyone, apparently according to the supreme court, but trump. they are monarchists. the idea that the founders of this country decided to exit a monarchy and created different monarchy here is insane. >> that is more of our recap of today's action in the united states supreme court and trump's new york courtroom, and had. lots more to get to. stay with us. to let in the lyte™. caplyta is proven to deliver significant relief across bipolar depression. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta treats both bipolar i and ii depression. and
that in the state of arizona, everyone below trump is subject to criminal justice. everyone like michael cohen in the new york case did the crimes not for themselves. none of them were going to serve office or be president or have immunity. they have nothing but shame and high legal bills. from rudy giuliani, the white house chief of staff, you name it. all of them including the 11 fake collectors in arizona are subject to criminal justice and everyone who did crimes for trump must face the...
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this comes less than a day after 18 people were indicted in arizona for their roles in an attempt to overturn trump's loss in the 2020 election there. including 11 fake electors who submitted a document to congress falsely declaring that trump won the state. along with several trump aides including rudy giuliani, mark meadows, and boris epshteyn. trump himself was not charged but was referred to as an unindicted coconspirator. as all of this was happening, in washington, d.c. today, the supreme court heard oral arguments on trump's claim that presidents have absolute immunity to essentially do whatever they want in office, crimes included, as long as it's, quote, an official act, which according to trump's lawyer includes potentially staging a military coup or ordering the assassination of political opponents. that's a real argument he tried to make. >> well, he's gone. let's say this president who ordered the military to stage a coup, he's no longer president. he wasn't impeached. he couldn't be impeached. but he ordered the military to stage a coup, and you're saying that's an offi
this comes less than a day after 18 people were indicted in arizona for their roles in an attempt to overturn trump's loss in the 2020 election there. including 11 fake electors who submitted a document to congress falsely declaring that trump won the state. along with several trump aides including rudy giuliani, mark meadows, and boris epshteyn. trump himself was not charged but was referred to as an unindicted coconspirator. as all of this was happening, in washington, d.c. today, the supreme...
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the indictment in arizona is interesting. obviously, the former president is an unindicted co-conspirator. we don't know why unindicted. potentially, they are waiting for the immunity ruling as well. there's a seven-year statute of limitations for those crimes. he could be added. we may get quick action there. the state courts seem to move faster than the federal courts. the distressing thing -- those of us -- all the lawyers are considered officers of the court. we are trained to believe in the impartiality of the supreme court. i have to say, our faith has been shaken. they look corrupt. the process used to appoint them was rigged. they appear to be partisan hacks. it's a distressing situation for our american democracy. >> wow. dia when we will know what's going to happen next? >> i think a lot is going to turn on -- i agree with the folks. ian said, it doesn't look like the maximalist view of immunity had a lot of takers today. i think there were a lot of takers for some version or other of kicking this back on remand and
the indictment in arizona is interesting. obviously, the former president is an unindicted co-conspirator. we don't know why unindicted. potentially, they are waiting for the immunity ruling as well. there's a seven-year statute of limitations for those crimes. he could be added. we may get quick action there. the state courts seem to move faster than the federal courts. the distressing thing -- those of us -- all the lawyers are considered officers of the court. we are trained to believe in...
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this brings the whole circle of this arizona case now michigan, georgia, and arizona. fake electors all indicted in those cases, and it brings it right to the doorstep of donald trump, although he's an unindicted conspirator in the new indictment. tell us about it. >> reporter: right. i think an important part of the indictment from last night from the arizona attorney general is the fact that so many of these individuals from arizona, but also the national figures, from trump's attorneys to campaign officials are still very relevant as it pertains to the 2024 election. if you look at boris epshteyn, he's one of them. he has been serving for the better part of the last year and a half as donald trump's legal adviser from the campaign. he has been working with all of the counsel from the georgia case to the federal election interference case to the classified documents case here in new york, working on ensuring that donald trump has counsel for each of these cases. also look at the fact that christina bobb is another one of those indicted individuals. last month was bro
this brings the whole circle of this arizona case now michigan, georgia, and arizona. fake electors all indicted in those cases, and it brings it right to the doorstep of donald trump, although he's an unindicted conspirator in the new indictment. tell us about it. >> reporter: right. i think an important part of the indictment from last night from the arizona attorney general is the fact that so many of these individuals from arizona, but also the national figures, from trump's attorneys...
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. >> the defendant asked the arizona house speaker to call the legislature into session to hold a hearing based on their claims of election fraud. >> absolutely an official act for the president to communicate with state official offense a matter of enormous federal interest and concern attempting to defend the integrity of a federal election to communicate with state officials and urge them to view what he views as their job under state law and federal law, that's an official act. >> well, attempting to defend the integrity of the election, that's the defense. the allegation is that he was attempting to overthrow an election. >> essentially exactly right, and neither allegation of what the purpose is should make a -- should make a difference as to whether it's immune. that is extremely strong precedent from this court. >> does it -- does it strike you as odd that your understanding of immunity goes way beyond what olc has ever claimed for a former president? >> i view the olc opinions here as strongly supporting us because anytime a congressional statute got anywhere near touching the pr
. >> the defendant asked the arizona house speaker to call the legislature into session to hold a hearing based on their claims of election fraud. >> absolutely an official act for the president to communicate with state official offense a matter of enormous federal interest and concern attempting to defend the integrity of a federal election to communicate with state officials and urge them to view what he views as their job under state law and federal law, that's an official act....
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remember, it was president trump at the time called the governor of arizona, doug ducey, a arizona, to try to get him to flip the state's results as he was certifying them, and he famously ignored the call for trump and certified biden. let's bring in danny cevallos and lisa rubin. let's talk about the substance of this. you have the 11 so-called fake electors. seven aids to donald trump, including rudy giuliani, jenna ellis, john eastman, mark meadows, the names we mentioned. for the benefit of our viewers, what exactly are these people accused of doing around the 2020 election? >> well, the 11 fake electors are accused of forging documents, right, by signing an elector certificate and sending it on to the arizona secretary of state, to the united states senate, to the national archives, which is what real electors do. they're facing three counts of forgery. but they're also facing count that is have to do with fraud. fraud in trying to sort of hold themselves out to be the legitimate electors. of course, that's a scheme that they engineered with the help of the seven redacted individ
remember, it was president trump at the time called the governor of arizona, doug ducey, a arizona, to try to get him to flip the state's results as he was certifying them, and he famously ignored the call for trump and certified biden. let's bring in danny cevallos and lisa rubin. let's talk about the substance of this. you have the 11 so-called fake electors. seven aids to donald trump, including rudy giuliani, jenna ellis, john eastman, mark meadows, the names we mentioned. for the benefit...
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11 electors despite the fact that joe biden had won arizona by nearly 11,000 votes. the document also describes seven others in trump's orbit who were indicted but had their names redacted such as former white house chief of staff mark meadows, lawyers rudy giuliani, john eastman, christina bobb, trump campaign official boris epstein and campaign official mike roman. now, trump was not charged but described as unindicted coconspirator one. the indictments mark a significant step forward in an investigation that has spanned more than a year. here's arizona's attorney general kris mayes. >> i understand for some of you today it didn't come fast enough, and i know i'll be criticized by others for conducting this investigation at all. as i've stated before and will say here again today i will not allow american democracy to be nsaid mined. it's too important. >> the republican party of arizona said in a statement posted to social media that the indictments represented a blatant and unprecedented abuse of prosecutorial power aimed solely at distracting the public from the
11 electors despite the fact that joe biden had won arizona by nearly 11,000 votes. the document also describes seven others in trump's orbit who were indicted but had their names redacted such as former white house chief of staff mark meadows, lawyers rudy giuliani, john eastman, christina bobb, trump campaign official boris epstein and campaign official mike roman. now, trump was not charged but described as unindicted coconspirator one. the indictments mark a significant step forward in an...
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arizona's elec the people ofti arizona elected president biden. unwilling tobi accept this fact the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency. the state grand jury made up of every day regular arizonians has now handed down felony indictments for all 11 republican electors as well as several others connected to this scheme. these chargeso include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy. these a charges are class 2, 4, and 5 felonies. these are serious indictments. >> as for donald trump himself, he is not charged in this does appear ut he as unindicted coconspiratorter number 1. joining me now are nbc news correspondent vaughn hilliard, and lisa rubin, msnbc legal correspondent. my first thought was okay he's going to bleed out because we saw a similar scenario minus trump or plus trump in georgia and we've seen pdls there, and i just wonder this is a fairly relatively widea net, 18 peopl in this. is your expectation some of them are going to plead out and become witnesses for state? >> ye
arizona's elec the people ofti arizona elected president biden. unwilling tobi accept this fact the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent the lawful transfer of the presidency. the state grand jury made up of every day regular arizonians has now handed down felony indictments for all 11 republican electors as well as several others connected to this scheme. these chargeso include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy. these a charges are class 2, 4, and 5 felonies....
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arizona being one of them. in fact we know there's a text exchange from some of the conspirators including michael roman and kenneth chesebro pick roman, who i believe is indicted in this indictment and kenneth chesebro it was an unindicted co-conspirator. they are talking about, hey, should we include this language that basically is a hedge on the fake electoral certificates? and mike roman says f these people, were not doing this, or not putting this like that on the other was because if we do maybe people so the question what they are doing. that is what i am meeting by puppet masters, right? of these guys knew exactly what they are doing but that is not to exalt all fake electors themselves. some of them knew, too, obviously perhaps a lot of them did pick the bottom line is that in the trump campaign, the co-conspirators around trump himself certainly knew they were crossing all sorts of boundaries here, legal boundaries here in doing this and they were very cavalier in doing so. they didn't care about peop
arizona being one of them. in fact we know there's a text exchange from some of the conspirators including michael roman and kenneth chesebro pick roman, who i believe is indicted in this indictment and kenneth chesebro it was an unindicted co-conspirator. they are talking about, hey, should we include this language that basically is a hedge on the fake electoral certificates? and mike roman says f these people, were not doing this, or not putting this like that on the other was because if we...
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we lost arizona bite 9000 votes. that's a tiny fraction. that would be a half a day on a couple of hours of checking and we didn't lose the state. we didn't lose the state. we won it by a lot. i want to thank rudy and his team for doing such an incredible job. we are going to fight. we are taking it up all the way. we have additional cases being filed, probably tomorrow, in wisconsin and in georgia, and they are good cases. they are very strong cases by great lawyers with great facts. >> those two people you saw in the video were two of the names harry just mentioned, rudy giuliani and janet ellis. i want you to walk us through this because when we say our democracy is on the ballot that washes over a lot of people. again, what do you mean? we mean this and how important is this in terms of this case going to court? >> on an individual basis and as harry said, this stands alone. this is an extremely damning case and if you look at it from georgia to nevada to michigan to the january 6th case -- the gamut of this thing, it is sprawling and d
we lost arizona bite 9000 votes. that's a tiny fraction. that would be a half a day on a couple of hours of checking and we didn't lose the state. we didn't lose the state. we won it by a lot. i want to thank rudy and his team for doing such an incredible job. we are going to fight. we are taking it up all the way. we have additional cases being filed, probably tomorrow, in wisconsin and in georgia, and they are good cases. they are very strong cases by great lawyers with great facts. >>...
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this one in arizona. the attorney general has charged 11 republican fake electors and seven trump associates. a criminal conspiracy involving several felonies. the indictment says it was quote a scheme. artifice to defraud by preventing the lawful transfer of the presidency of the united states keeping president donald j. trump in office against the will of arizona voter and depriving arizona voters of their right to vote and have their votes counted under the united states constitution. arizona constitution article 7. donald trump appears later in the indictment. in the detailed description of the crimes as unindicted coconspirator one. quote. defendants attempts to declare unindicted coconspirator one and pence, the winners of the 2020 presidential election contrary to voter intent and the law involved numerous other charged and uncharged coconspirators. the names of all of the defendants who are residents of arizona were revealed publicly in the indictment but the names of seven other out of state defe
this one in arizona. the attorney general has charged 11 republican fake electors and seven trump associates. a criminal conspiracy involving several felonies. the indictment says it was quote a scheme. artifice to defraud by preventing the lawful transfer of the presidency of the united states keeping president donald j. trump in office against the will of arizona voter and depriving arizona voters of their right to vote and have their votes counted under the united states constitution....
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deep arizona knowledge. deep cuts from in the arizona election interference. really appreciate your time tonight. >> thanks alex. >> lisa, stay with me. we got a lot more for you. coming up, trump hads a new nickname tonight. unindicted coconspirator number one. tomorrow he will be back in a manhattan courtroom and known as defendant trump in his criminal hush money trial. we'll have more on the former president's escalating legal dramas coming up next. escalatil dramas coming up next. (♪♪) ohhh crap, that's a really good gift. now we gotta get france something. wait! we can use etsy's new gift mode! yes, what do the french like? ...anyone? cheese... they like cheese! brilliant. done. plateau de fromage! oh la la! [cheering] don't panic. gift easy with gift mode, new on etsy. slowing my cancer from growing and living longer are two things i want from my metastatic breast cancer treatment. and with kisqali, i can have both. kisqali is a pill that when taken with an aromatase inhibitor helps delay cancer from growing and has been proven to help people live s
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we lost arizona by 9,000 votes. that's a tiny fraction. that would be a half a day, couple of hours of checking. we didn't lose the state. we didn't lose the state. we won it by a lot. i want to thank rudy and his team for doing such an incredible job and having the courage to do it. many lawyers had to leave because they were threatened. we are going to fight. we're taking it up all the way. we have additional cases being filed probably tomorrow in wisconsin and in georgia and they're good cases. they're very strong cases by great lawyers with great facts. >> those two people in the video were two of the names harry just mentioned, rudy giuliani and jenna ellis. mark, i want you to walk us through this because when we say our democracy is on the ballot, that washes over a lot of people like yeah, what do you mean? we mean this. how important is this in terms of this case going to court? >> on an individual basis, this stands alone. it's an extremely damning case and if you look at it in its entirety to the whole gamut of this whole thing,
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arizona's election was free and fair. the people of arizona elected president biden. unwilling to accept this fact, the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent unlawful transfer of the presidency. a state grand jury made up of everyday regular arizonans have now handed down felony indictments for all 11 republican electors, as well as several others connected to the scheme. these charges include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy. these charges are class two, four, and five felonies. these are serious indictments. >> as far donald trump himself, he is not charged in this indictment but he does appear as unindicted co-conspirator number one. joining me now are nbc news correspondent von hilliard and lisa rubin, msnbc legal correspondent. my first thought when i read this was, okay, who is going to pay up? we saw a similar scenario minus 20 1+20 and we saw plea deals there and i wonder, this is a fairly, relatively wide net, 18 people in this. is your expectations some of them will plead out and become witnesses for the state ? >> yes, althou
arizona's election was free and fair. the people of arizona elected president biden. unwilling to accept this fact, the defendants charged by the state grand jury allegedly schemed to prevent unlawful transfer of the presidency. a state grand jury made up of everyday regular arizonans have now handed down felony indictments for all 11 republican electors, as well as several others connected to the scheme. these charges include fraud, forgery, and conspiracy. these charges are class two, four,...
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arizona was one. subsequently, there was a text exchange from some conspirators, including mike roman. roman, i believe is indicted. and attorney kenneth chesebro, unindicted. they are saying, should we include the language that basically is a hedge on the fake electoral certificate. mike roman says, f these people. if we do, maybe people will question what they are doing. that is what i mean by puppet masters. some of these guys knew exactly what they were doing. this is not to absolve some of the fake electors. some of them probably knew what they were doing. the bottom line is, in the trump campaign, the co- conspirators around trump and trump himself knew they were crossing all sorts legal boundaries. they were very cavalier in doing so create they did not care about people downstream willing to do the bidding for them. that is a part of the story as well. >> i want you to stay with me. i will bring in -- i have managed to physically conjure him. one thing i wanted to talk to you about, we have th
arizona was one. subsequently, there was a text exchange from some conspirators, including mike roman. roman, i believe is indicted. and attorney kenneth chesebro, unindicted. they are saying, should we include the language that basically is a hedge on the fake electoral certificate. mike roman says, f these people. if we do, maybe people will question what they are doing. that is what i mean by puppet masters. some of these guys knew exactly what they were doing. this is not to absolve some of...
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11 fake electors out of arizona. i should note, as we're giping to make our way through this indictment, there are other individuals who are also included in this indictment. but they have not been served at this time. the indictment has those names redacted. the 11 individuals who have been indicted, who we have the names of, include the likes of kelly war, who folks will recall was the arizona gop chairwoman at the time as well as her husband, as well as rnc committee man out of arizona, tyler boyer, who also serves as the chief operating officer of turning point usa, that trump aligned organization. you also have two current arizona state legislators included in this indictment around -- in the aftermath of the 2020 election, joy, the -- in some states, right, there is more secretive effort to keep the fake elector scheme under wraps, right, in the state of georgia in a secret meeting behind closed doors. in arizona it was a little different. more than a month after the 2020 election results, as donald trump was a
11 fake electors out of arizona. i should note, as we're giping to make our way through this indictment, there are other individuals who are also included in this indictment. but they have not been served at this time. the indictment has those names redacted. the 11 individuals who have been indicted, who we have the names of, include the likes of kelly war, who folks will recall was the arizona gop chairwoman at the time as well as her husband, as well as rnc committee man out of arizona,...
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the arguments took place hours before the arizona state house voted to repeal its 160-year-old near total abortion ban. that law heads to the senate. joining our consideration, the president of reproductive freedom for all, minnie tim raju was here. she was outside the supreme court today speaking to a crowd about reproductive rights and freedom. with me at the table, former obama white house policy director, msnbc medical contributor, our dear friend vida patel. katty is still with us as well. it's incredible, incredible that this is even being debated. even more incredible that it sounds like from the questioning conservative justices want to preserve idaho's right to prosecute doctors. >> yeah, it's very troubling. i had to kind of catch up on listening to this. and the whole time i thought this is not going the direction that i thought it could go in where the emergency medical treatment and labor act which is kind of what's at heart here, it's really -- it has nothing to do with abortion. it's really about triaging, stabilizing the patient and understanding how to treat them. so it h
the arguments took place hours before the arizona state house voted to repeal its 160-year-old near total abortion ban. that law heads to the senate. joining our consideration, the president of reproductive freedom for all, minnie tim raju was here. she was outside the supreme court today speaking to a crowd about reproductive rights and freedom. with me at the table, former obama white house policy director, msnbc medical contributor, our dear friend vida patel. katty is still with us as well....
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joining us now, arizona state senator, ava birch. the senator had an abortion earlier this year after learning her pregnancy was not viable. thank you very much for being here. and i'm so sorry you had to go through that. let's talk about what you're seeing today in arizona and what's happening in the legislature. do you expect this third time to be different? >> well, what i can tell you is that we just had a vote over on the house side, just within minutes that vote wrapped where the clean repeal did pass by a vote of 32-28. >> wow. >> there were three republican lawmakers that were joined on side with the democrats to get that bill through. which means that now one week from today when we come back it business, we should have the opportunity to vote for that clean repeal on the senate side and are hoping that we will still have the two republicans who voted with us last week to put the clean repeal through. so there is an opportunity for that now. what i can say about it is that there were 5 out of 47 republicans who were willing
joining us now, arizona state senator, ava birch. the senator had an abortion earlier this year after learning her pregnancy was not viable. thank you very much for being here. and i'm so sorry you had to go through that. let's talk about what you're seeing today in arizona and what's happening in the legislature. do you expect this third time to be different? >> well, what i can tell you is that we just had a vote over on the house side, just within minutes that vote wrapped where the...
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we've already seen -- arizona is absolutely a swing state. one of the closest in the 2020 election. the supreme court's ruling in arizona probably fundamentally changed the trajectory of where that state's going to be. >> yamiche alcindor, robert gibbs, thank you both. eugene daniels, you're going to stay with me. in 60 seconds, more pro-palestinian demonstrations erupt at colleges across the country. could college graduations be at stake? we'll head to the campus in the middle of this controversy. e ca middle of this controversy i'll be honest. by the end of the day, my floors...yeesh. but who has the time to clean? that's why i love my swiffer wetjet. it's a quick and easy way to get my floors clean. wetjet absorbs and locks grime deep inside. look at that! swiffer wetjet. what if you could go from this to this. with just one step tresemmé silk serum. time for the ultimate humidity test. weightlessly smooth hair your turn. new tresemmé keratin smooth collection. students... students of any age, from anywhere. using our technology to power different ways of learning. so when mind
we've already seen -- arizona is absolutely a swing state. one of the closest in the 2020 election. the supreme court's ruling in arizona probably fundamentally changed the trajectory of where that state's going to be. >> yamiche alcindor, robert gibbs, thank you both. eugene daniels, you're going to stay with me. in 60 seconds, more pro-palestinian demonstrations erupt at colleges across the country. could college graduations be at stake? we'll head to the campus in the middle of this...
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patriot missiles made in arizona, javelins made in alabama, artillery shells made in ohio, pennsylvania, texas, and we're helping ukraine while at the same time investing in our own industrial base, strengthening our own national security and supporting jobs to nearly 40 states all across america. you know, the united nations is not acting alone to state the obvious. our allies in europe and around the world who have constantly been asking me, are we going to step up, we're not going to walk away, are we? they're very concerned. if we fail to step up, lord only knows what would happen and the cohesion of nato. they're also sending significant help to ukraine. we're all standing together against this brutal dictator. this is directly, directly in the united states national security interest. if putin triumphs in ukraine, the next move of russian forces could very well be a direct attack on a nato ally. and you all know full well that invoking article 5, the north atlantic treaty, would be the first thing that comes to mind, which declares an attack on one is an attack on all. and putin a
patriot missiles made in arizona, javelins made in alabama, artillery shells made in ohio, pennsylvania, texas, and we're helping ukraine while at the same time investing in our own industrial base, strengthening our own national security and supporting jobs to nearly 40 states all across america. you know, the united nations is not acting alone to state the obvious. our allies in europe and around the world who have constantly been asking me, are we going to step up, we're not going to walk...
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we're seeing it in arizona. we saw it in wisconsin. i mean, 155,000 votes in the state of pennsylvania obviously could be decisive in the general election if those voters decide to either sit out or to vote for president biden. these are not marginal numbers anymore. she won 16% of the vote in a race she dropped out of almost two months ago. >> it's not nothing, is. it and it gives you an indication that there are people in the republican party that consider themselves republicans. chris christie telling us, don't want to vote for joe biden and switch over to the democratic side, but clearly not happy with donald trump. what are those people going to do, those 155,000 people, what are they going to do in november. they're motivated voters. the fact that you vote in a primary suggests you're a high educated, high interest type of voter. they're probably going to want to do something in november, but they have made it clear in this vote that they don't want to vote for donald trump. these are states that are going to be won on margins. j
we're seeing it in arizona. we saw it in wisconsin. i mean, 155,000 votes in the state of pennsylvania obviously could be decisive in the general election if those voters decide to either sit out or to vote for president biden. these are not marginal numbers anymore. she won 16% of the vote in a race she dropped out of almost two months ago. >> it's not nothing, is. it and it gives you an indication that there are people in the republican party that consider themselves republicans. chris...
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the arizona supreme court ruling. what are some of the other big touch points we can expect between now and november. >> i mean, you're absolutely right in the danger of candidates coming out with sweeping declaration and position is because you get overtaken by events. donald trump comes out, try to settle the issue by making a statement, you constantly have these new events breaking that requires a response. emergency abortions and on how people can access abortion pills nationwide rulings, there could be state-level rulings. whether arizona's ban that's sweeping as idaho's that dates back to 1860s before arizona was a state. there could be other state rulings as well. lot of states will be voting directly on abortion. >> lot to watch. politico's allison miranda, thank you very much. thank you for getting up "way too early." >>> i think everyone has made their own assessment of donald trump. >> he described the dobbs as a miracle. maybe it's coming from the bible he's trying to sell. i almost wanted to buy one just
the arizona supreme court ruling. what are some of the other big touch points we can expect between now and november. >> i mean, you're absolutely right in the danger of candidates coming out with sweeping declaration and position is because you get overtaken by events. donald trump comes out, try to settle the issue by making a statement, you constantly have these new events breaking that requires a response. emergency abortions and on how people can access abortion pills nationwide...
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arizona wants to be senator kari lake flip-flops once again in her support for arizona's civil war era abortion ban. another example of republicans who cannot figure out what they actually want. we'll have more on that coming up next. we'll have more on that coming up next. shingles. the rash can feel like an intense burning sensation, and last for weeks. shingles could make it hard to be there for your loved ones. over 50? the virus that causes shingles is likely already inside you. don't wait. ask your doctor about shingles. save as many babies as possible? our first priority is to save as many babies as possible. >> last year arizona senate candidate kari lake was very clear about being pro-life and anti-choice. a year earlier she'd made abundantly clear that the civil war era zombie law, the one banning nearly all abortions in the state of arizona, that law was a great one, again according to kari lake. >> i'm incredibly thrilled that we are going to have a great law that's already on the books, so it will prohibit abortion in arizona. >> but then two weeks ago that zombie law beca
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here she is on saturday. >> when this law passed, the arizona supreme court said this is the law of arizona but unfortunately, the people running our state have said we are not going to enforce it. so it is really political theater. we don't have that law as much as many of us wish we did. >> it is unfortunate the democrats are not enforcing it. except, it is not a good law. because most people aren't for it. except it's a great law. what? this is the modern day republican party. a party that cannot figure out what it wants. speaker of the house mike johnson in 2022 was firmly against providing more u.s. aid to ukraine. he voted against on four separate occasions. but once he was elected speaker last year, according to the reporting from the washington post, he began sitting in on high level intelligence briefings and speaker johnson changed his mind. but when johnson tried to get his own party on board with ukraine aid, barely half of them agreed. in fact, the only reason the house was able to approve 95 billion-dollars for ukraine, israel and u.s. allies in the indo-pacific was because de
here she is on saturday. >> when this law passed, the arizona supreme court said this is the law of arizona but unfortunately, the people running our state have said we are not going to enforce it. so it is really political theater. we don't have that law as much as many of us wish we did. >> it is unfortunate the democrats are not enforcing it. except, it is not a good law. because most people aren't for it. except it's a great law. what? this is the modern day republican party. a...
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i live in flagstaff, arizona. i'm an older student. i'm getting my doctorate in clinical psychology. i do a lot of hiking and kayaking. i needed something to help me gain clarity. so i was in the pharmacy and i saw a display of prevagen and i asked the pharmacist about it. i started taking prevagen and i noticed that i had more cognitive clarity. memory is better. it's been about two years now and it's working for me. prevagen. at stores everywhere without a prescription. but st. jude has gotten us through it. st. jude is hope for every child diagnosed with cancer becaauntie, you can't puteing that right in the dishwasher. watch me. with cascade platinum plus i have upped my dish game. i just scrape... load... and i'm done. in that dishwasher? in that dishwasher. only platinum plus is packed with more dawn to remove up to 100% of grease and food residue. get the highest standard of clean, even in your machine. clean enough for ya? yeah. scrape, load, done. cascade platinum plus. dare to dish differently. ok y'all we got ten orders comi
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. >> biden's visit comes as florida joins arizona as an epicenter of the battle over abortion restrictions. florida's six week abortion ban is poised to go into effect one week from tomorrow and florida voters are gearing up for a november ballot measure that would enshrine abortion rights in its constitution. if you take a step back and look at these maps, you will note a striking similarity between states trump. in 2020 and states where abortion is banned or unavailable. and since the roe decision, regardless of how the states voted in the past, abortion is a losing issue for trump. the latest poll shows biden leading by a 15 point margin on which candidate would be better on this issue. which, surprise, surprise, also happens to be a top issue on voters minds. if the former president is stuck in court, spending more and more donor money on legal fees, it is worth knowing how much abortion is raising the stakes for the november election and creating the potential to flip the electoral map and it is not just florida that is in play. that is tonight's "the reidout." "all in with
. >> biden's visit comes as florida joins arizona as an epicenter of the battle over abortion restrictions. florida's six week abortion ban is poised to go into effect one week from tomorrow and florida voters are gearing up for a november ballot measure that would enshrine abortion rights in its constitution. if you take a step back and look at these maps, you will note a striking similarity between states trump. in 2020 and states where abortion is banned or unavailable. and since the...
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so the women in these groups, especially the groups that were in arizona were talking a lot about this case and how they can't believe that he's even allowed to run again. these were swing voters. and just how despicable his behavior is to women. it was one of the things really keeping them from any interest in going back to voting for him, even though they tended to be sort of center right independents and soft gop voters. >> sarah, that's the $64 million question. whether now -- he also was known to sexualize his own daughter. he made comments about how she was so hot, he would date her if she wasn't his own daughter. they were chalked up. but now that there is a massive policy revolution in this country for the first time in 50 years, there isn't a right to make decisions about your own body, you're saying that these comments are viewed differently. >> yeah. look, donald trump has always benefited enormously from his celebrity, right? people just don't hold the same sort of moral standards to him, in part because he was never a moral guy. and look, there's no doubt that for some vot
so the women in these groups, especially the groups that were in arizona were talking a lot about this case and how they can't believe that he's even allowed to run again. these were swing voters. and just how despicable his behavior is to women. it was one of the things really keeping them from any interest in going back to voting for him, even though they tended to be sort of center right independents and soft gop voters. >> sarah, that's the $64 million question. whether now -- he also...
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is going to directly argue that that is what has led to what we're seeing in florida, what we saw in arizona with that 1864 era abortion ban being upheld, and all of these other things that have essentially amounted to a patchwork of different guides when it comes to abortion access across the country. so you're going to hear that message from the president, and it does come at a time when our polling shows that abortion is further down the list than some other really key issues for americans when they're asked. it's been pretty consistent actually that people identify the economy and inflation as still being at the top of their list. but this is something that when i speak to biden campaign officials about, they consistently say that if you look to the midterms, if you look to special elections and ballot measures over the last couple years, since roe fell, that this is consistently been a very mobilizing issue for voters. and that people do turn out specifically on this issue and they expect that is what will happen in november. in terms of the abortion ban going into effect in florida, at
is going to directly argue that that is what has led to what we're seeing in florida, what we saw in arizona with that 1864 era abortion ban being upheld, and all of these other things that have essentially amounted to a patchwork of different guides when it comes to abortion access across the country. so you're going to hear that message from the president, and it does come at a time when our polling shows that abortion is further down the list than some other really key issues for americans...
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speech on abortion since january, his first time really talking extensively about the situation in arizona. i think, you know, this is probably less about winning florida and more about driving a message. you know, there are also restrictions in georgia and north carolina, the southeast will be effectively restricted now. i think the biden campaign wants to, you know, deliver that message, but they also see a path, i think, in florida, as it is a long shot, but they need to keep as many roads to 270 as possible. >> right. it's a long shot. the state has drifted to the right in recent years. what does the path look like? is it running on reproductive rights? do you have to engage with hispanics? how do you flip a state like that? >> it is driving turnout. they feel this initiative on abortion will help drive that. there's also another ballot initiative they're working on to legalize recreational marijuana. that could also drive younger voters to the polls. you know, i think it is going to be a really difficult path in florida, but i think they feel like, if they can just get a strong turnou
speech on abortion since january, his first time really talking extensively about the situation in arizona. i think, you know, this is probably less about winning florida and more about driving a message. you know, there are also restrictions in georgia and north carolina, the southeast will be effectively restricted now. i think the biden campaign wants to, you know, deliver that message, but they also see a path, i think, in florida, as it is a long shot, but they need to keep as many roads...
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dennis had moved away and lived in arizona for a while, but moved back to albuquerque a couple of months before don's murder. >> it kind of puts up a red flag for me. you are in the process of reconnecting. you had a falling out before and now don has been murdered. >> tiffany and josh had the same feeling. as you think maybe your uncle, his brother, had something to do with this? >> there was talk of it just because of the strained relationship and what had happened. i mean, you're hurt, your greeting, you don't know what to think. >> kaplan interviewed him who said he got a little bit angry after his father had died. >> i got angry because he took a lot of my dad's stuff. there was just this agreement. >> kaplan had learned that don lost his job as a firefighter because of a drug test. >> that's true. marijuana. >> okay. >> nothing heavy. i guarantee you my brother has not touched heavy drugs in 30 years. >> then, dennis came up with a name, someone else he thought detectives should take a look at. >> it makes me mad, you know, i'm no investigator, but this guy spends two hours in my b
dennis had moved away and lived in arizona for a while, but moved back to albuquerque a couple of months before don's murder. >> it kind of puts up a red flag for me. you are in the process of reconnecting. you had a falling out before and now don has been murdered. >> tiffany and josh had the same feeling. as you think maybe your uncle, his brother, had something to do with this? >> there was talk of it just because of the strained relationship and what had happened. i mean,...
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i think they will be struck down just as we saw years ago when arizona passed a show your papers law when it comes to immigration, a unified approach is not just essential for maintaining order, fairness, the integrity of our nation's laws. but that is precisely why we have the supremacy clause of the constitution. so i do believe the courts will deem these both illegal and unconstitutional. but also they are impacted l coo. law enforcement go al is going to have difficulty implementing them. migrants will have an experience, chilling affect where they are not going to be willing to come forward to report crimes to be helpful. this will have a significant impact on economies because we have seen when states, when localities institute these kinds of policies, immigrants know the chaos and that impact they will have on their lives and we will see them choose to go elsewhere. >> this will come as texas' sb4 faces backlash that was recently blocked by the federal appeals court after the supreme court. i'm actually allowing the bill to go into effect. what are the chances that the new bil
i think they will be struck down just as we saw years ago when arizona passed a show your papers law when it comes to immigration, a unified approach is not just essential for maintaining order, fairness, the integrity of our nation's laws. but that is precisely why we have the supremacy clause of the constitution. so i do believe the courts will deem these both illegal and unconstitutional. but also they are impacted l coo. law enforcement go al is going to have difficulty implementing them....
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talking about arizona, for the second time in two weeks, republicans in arizona, even after seeing the response, blocked an effort to repeal the ban based on a law that was passed in 1864. this time, there was video, of republicans actually cheering on the floor of the legislature. what was going through your mind when you watched that video? >> it sickens you. i've got two young daughters. the fact that they won't have the same rights as their mom did, it goes back to that travel point. hundred 60,000 women had to leave their state. that was last year, taxes reproductive care. now, the alabama ag wants to incarcerate them for five years to life, women aiding and abetting, not just the women, but those that support the women, to get out of their respective states. we now have a band that goes back to 1864 in the state of arizona and they are celebrating. 1864. i thought the republican party wanted to put a wrecking ball to the 21st century, now they want to re-create the 19th century. for me, it's chilling and goes well beyond the issue of just women's. -- women through productive care
talking about arizona, for the second time in two weeks, republicans in arizona, even after seeing the response, blocked an effort to repeal the ban based on a law that was passed in 1864. this time, there was video, of republicans actually cheering on the floor of the legislature. what was going through your mind when you watched that video? >> it sickens you. i've got two young daughters. the fact that they won't have the same rights as their mom did, it goes back to that travel point....
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think that the courts will weigh in, i think they will be struck down just as we saw years ago when arizona passed a show your papers law. the reality is that when it comes to immigration a unified approach is not just essential for maintaining order, fairness, the integrity of our nation's laws but that is why we have the clause of the u.s. constitution. so, i do believe that the courts will deem these both illegal and unconstitutional. but, also, they are impractical. law enforcement will have difficulties immigranting them and migrants will have a chilling effect where they will not be willing to come forward and report crimes to be helpful. and then of course this is going to have a significant impact on economies because we have seen when states when they have it, the immigrants know the chaos they will have on their lives and we will see migrants choose to go elsewhere. >> this comes as texas'sb-4 faces backlash. it was blocked after the supreme court allowed the bill to go into effect. what are the chances that this new iowa bill will face the same push back? >> i think we will expec
think that the courts will weigh in, i think they will be struck down just as we saw years ago when arizona passed a show your papers law. the reality is that when it comes to immigration a unified approach is not just essential for maintaining order, fairness, the integrity of our nation's laws but that is why we have the clause of the u.s. constitution. so, i do believe that the courts will deem these both illegal and unconstitutional. but, also, they are impractical. law enforcement will...
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>> right now, what trump does not have the money to do is go into arizona, nevada, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. at the scale that joe biden can go in and do early advertising, organizing, the trump campaign was always a village and this time, they've been swept through and burned to the ground and scattered to the four winds. there is no "there." is not a real campaign being run. it comes down to control, causing chaos to generate that energy that he had in 2016 and was able to buy, in 2020 when he did have resources. >> i want to ask about russia, because yesterday was a setback for the russia wing of the republican party, this kind of anti-ukraine wing. it's something that donald trump basically held control over. what does it tell you, the fact that despite his best efforts to prevent the house from passing ukraine aid, it still passed? what does that tell you about his grip on the party when it comes to at least to this issue? >> there have been a number of full internally, at the congressional judicial fund and the nrc see that has told republicans the truth and that is that
>> right now, what trump does not have the money to do is go into arizona, nevada, michigan, wisconsin, pennsylvania. at the scale that joe biden can go in and do early advertising, organizing, the trump campaign was always a village and this time, they've been swept through and burned to the ground and scattered to the four winds. there is no "there." is not a real campaign being run. it comes down to control, causing chaos to generate that energy that he had in 2016 and was...
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. ♪♪ >>> new today, arizona senate candidate kari lake telling veterans to be ready as the 2024 campaign wraps -- ramps up and then she took it one step further. >> the next six months is going to be intense. and we need to strap on our -- let's see, what we want to strap on? we're going to strap on our seatbelt. we are going to put on the armor of god. >> [ applause ] >> and maybe strap on a glock on the side of us, just in case. >> yes, or maybe not. meanwhile, with evangelical christians making up 42% of trump voters in 2020 the groups power and its radicalism is growing. with me now is elizabeth newman, former senior adviser of the department of homeland security during the trump administration and author of the forthcoming book, kingdom of range, -- rage, the rise of christian extremism and the path back to peace. you know the politicians and other leaders have long used religion for power, for political gain, but you say, quote, during most of my lifetime, extremists were not allowed to participate in mainstream political discussions, they were kept at the fringes of society. is th
. ♪♪ >>> new today, arizona senate candidate kari lake telling veterans to be ready as the 2024 campaign wraps -- ramps up and then she took it one step further. >> the next six months is going to be intense. and we need to strap on our -- let's see, what we want to strap on? we're going to strap on our seatbelt. we are going to put on the armor of god. >> [ applause ] >> and maybe strap on a glock on the side of us, just in case. >> yes, or maybe not....
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i want to talk about arizona because for the second time in two weeks republicans in arizona even after they saw all of the response blocked an effort to repeal the abortion ban based on the law in 1864. this time there was video of republicans actually cheering on the floor of the legislature. what was going through your mind when you watch that? >> it sickens you. i have two young daughters. the fact they want to have the same rights that their mom and dad did. the same as their parents had. the fact we go back to the travel point. 160,000 women that had to leave their state. to access reproductive care. the fact that now you have them wanting to incarcerated five years up to life those women and those that support the women to get out of their respective states. the fact that we now have a been going back to 1864, and they are celebrating. i thought the republican party wanted to put a wrecking ball to the 21st century. now they want to create the 19th century. it is chilling and goes well beyond the issue of women's reproductive care. this consequential moment that absorbed most of
i want to talk about arizona because for the second time in two weeks republicans in arizona even after they saw all of the response blocked an effort to repeal the abortion ban based on the law in 1864. this time there was video of republicans actually cheering on the floor of the legislature. what was going through your mind when you watch that? >> it sickens you. i have two young daughters. the fact they want to have the same rights that their mom and dad did. the same as their parents...
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we are seeing it play out in places like arizona. we will continue to take the message to the american voter to let them know president biden wants to restore reproductive freedom and to make sure women have control not over their own bodies. >> it is not just reproductive control. i think the campaign looks more broadly at the country. i went to play for you the biden campaign and what you are familiar with, scranton. >> joe love scranton because since the beginning, president biden is my first cousin and it's like a pride of them still here. >> we are all hard-working people. , longtime friend of president joe biden. we go way back. even for grade school. he never forgot where he came from. >> this is an ad that cuts right to the heart of the country and goes right up the middle. is michigan and wisconsin and ohio. talk about the thinking come the sort of everyday feel of the campaign. you have the big issues like abortion and big issues like ukraine. at the end of the day, this will boil down to how people feel around the kitchen
we are seeing it play out in places like arizona. we will continue to take the message to the american voter to let them know president biden wants to restore reproductive freedom and to make sure women have control not over their own bodies. >> it is not just reproductive control. i think the campaign looks more broadly at the country. i went to play for you the biden campaign and what you are familiar with, scranton. >> joe love scranton because since the beginning, president...
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arizona, you have done it again. for the second time in two weeks, republicans and arizona state legislature rejected and attempted to repeal a near total abortion ban from 1864. >> people running into a burning house, and say hey, we got an exit. you can run out the back door and not be engulfed in flames and come with us. >> you can save all these women. >> new york city we're fine. we're going to keep them in the house. let it burn down. we're totally cool. go out the back door. the second time now, that democrats have tried to save republicans from their own worst 1864 instincts. what do they do? nope, we're good. we want to stick with the 1864 law. >> yeah, i mean, even if you hold the reprehensible view that someone who is raped must deliver the baby because you said so, do it for the politics. how about that? do it for political reasons that most people in your state think this is appalling and yet, you're standing by it. in fact, only two republicans joined all of the democrats in the house chamber in arizona
arizona, you have done it again. for the second time in two weeks, republicans and arizona state legislature rejected and attempted to repeal a near total abortion ban from 1864. >> people running into a burning house, and say hey, we got an exit. you can run out the back door and not be engulfed in flames and come with us. >> you can save all these women. >> new york city we're fine. we're going to keep them in the house. let it burn down. we're totally cool. go out the back...
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. >> a killer was on the loose in and around phoenix, arizona. systematically shooting innocent victims. >> a massive man hunt underway. >> police worked around the clock desperate for leads. >> thwe're asking the public to remain vigilant. >> a long weekend of terror that would lead to a hard question. did any of it have to happen? because this was a tragedy many people saw coming. including the first and most high profile victim. >> he was like nobody else i ever met. and that's true to this day. >> back in 2002, natalie collins was a young lawyer defending a medical malpractice case. when she met a forensic psychiatrist named dr. steven pitt. >> he was very intellectually honest, whether you wanted his opinion or not, you got it. he was fair. >> pitt was nationally known for his work on cases like the columbine massacre, and the murder of jon ramsey. when they met again a few years later, he asked her to lunch. >> i took him up on the offer. hi the longest lunch i've ever had. it was hours. it was fabulous. i loved every minute of it. >> hours
. >> a killer was on the loose in and around phoenix, arizona. systematically shooting innocent victims. >> a massive man hunt underway. >> police worked around the clock desperate for leads. >> thwe're asking the public to remain vigilant. >> a long weekend of terror that would lead to a hard question. did any of it have to happen? because this was a tragedy many people saw coming. including the first and most high profile victim. >> he was like nobody else...
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and she said that she was talking about the second amendment right for arizona to defend themselves. in general. but that is not how some of her own supporters interpreted her comments. one entity told us that the signs are all there. for the possibility of a civil war. and we're not talking about the movie. my panel is back with me. ameshia cross, who is your choice? tom cotton or kari lake? >> this is dumb and dumber. they are neck and neck. it is frustrating. this is weiser promised violence we have seen before. that rhetoric. leading to violence in the streets. they are in leadership positions. with tom large forces tom cotton has 2 degrees from the harvard university. he knows better than what is out here doing it. kari lake. she is just trying to appeal to a base as crazy. that is going to go for her no matter what. but this level of violence in his rhetoric. it is not anything new. this was happening in the 1950s and the 1960s towards black people in jewish people. we have seen this before. and donald trump's help amplify this pic to give it voice to many individuals who are a
and she said that she was talking about the second amendment right for arizona to defend themselves. in general. but that is not how some of her own supporters interpreted her comments. one entity told us that the signs are all there. for the possibility of a civil war. and we're not talking about the movie. my panel is back with me. ameshia cross, who is your choice? tom cotton or kari lake? >> this is dumb and dumber. they are neck and neck. it is frustrating. this is weiser promised...