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stormy daniels and karen mcdougal for donald trump. trump's longtime gatekeeper, rhona graff, was in many ways to trump's right-hand for 34 years. and this moment on the apprentice accurately captures her central role in organizing trump's personal and professional life trump province. he asked me to call you and tell you to meet him tomorrow morning at the new york stock exchange? >> i can tell you it was a reporter if you needed to reach trump, he called graph time. i was at trump tower to see trump when i was a business reporter or on the apprentice, she was there at her desk and his office door. she came and went from his office at her own whim. and that was unique she was always formal. he was always mr. trump to her, but she had stature and she controlled access to him. in fact, she wants told real estate weekly, quoting rhona, everybody knows in order to get through to him, they have to go through me. and she told prosecutors she not only remembered seeing stormy daniels and the reception area of trump tower before trump ran for
stormy daniels and karen mcdougal for donald trump. trump's longtime gatekeeper, rhona graff, was in many ways to trump's right-hand for 34 years. and this moment on the apprentice accurately captures her central role in organizing trump's personal and professional life trump province. he asked me to call you and tell you to meet him tomorrow morning at the new york stock exchange? >> i can tell you it was a reporter if you needed to reach trump, he called graph time. i was at trump tower...
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admiration for donald trump. listen to this. this is a quote. this is her it was a very stimulating, exciting, fascinating place to be. then she said, sometimes trump would peak has said in and say, go home to your family, which i thought was very thoughtful of him. i thought that was a nice extra touch that he would take time to do that trump's lawyer, susan nicholas asked her, quote you don't want to be here, do you? and she coronagraph said correct. what's your analysis them? >> the point there is that she's under subpoena. she's not voluntarily coming in to try to help out the prosecution i think that that's something that's consistent across these witnesses. is that the only one who really is dying to get in there is probably stormy daniels and michael so call it the others who are being brought in just to tell their stories was running graph is a prosecution witness and prosecution called her. but did she do a lot to humanize trump before the jury? >> i mean, i think that she probably did i mean, it sounds
admiration for donald trump. listen to this. this is a quote. this is her it was a very stimulating, exciting, fascinating place to be. then she said, sometimes trump would peak has said in and say, go home to your family, which i thought was very thoughtful of him. i thought that was a nice extra touch that he would take time to do that trump's lawyer, susan nicholas asked her, quote you don't want to be here, do you? and she coronagraph said correct. what's your analysis them? >> the...
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and we forget that because donald trump is who donald trump is, that joe biden has a lot of this too. yeah, he does a lot of this. you know, there are a lot of things that joe biden says, oh, this happen 50 years ago or my uncle or my father and so on, so forth. and the fact checkers go in and they say, wait a minute, we can find no evidence for this whatsoever, but of course the problem is if you're trying stick joe biden with the idea that he says some dishonest things. just look across the aisle right. and i think that's the issue that has continuously run into opponents of joe biden, especially donald trump, because you know, joe biden may say one or two things and i know a week, a month, a year that the factor could say, wait a minute, hold on a second. donald trump says that many things day. so it just is a big issue. >> doug. >> i mean, it is true that the joe biden is known for these apocryphal stories shall we say, and cannibalism being one of the latest. >> oh yeah, that his uncle yeah. in world war ii plane went down. may have been eaten by cannibals and papa new guinea is
and we forget that because donald trump is who donald trump is, that joe biden has a lot of this too. yeah, he does a lot of this. you know, there are a lot of things that joe biden says, oh, this happen 50 years ago or my uncle or my father and so on, so forth. and the fact checkers go in and they say, wait a minute, we can find no evidence for this whatsoever, but of course the problem is if you're trying stick joe biden with the idea that he says some dishonest things. just look across the...
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joe biden, ready to debate donald trump? >> well, i mean, trump basically has been saying this non-stop. they put things no, but his rallies now talking about how they say that biden will debate him. so this certainly will take some of the wind out of their sales because they have been using this, although he might he wouldn't debate any of his republican opponents during the primaries. we should know. yeah, he felt that and to be fair, i mean, they still feel really good about that decision and they don't feel like it was warranted whether or not it was for integrity purposes and intellectual purposes, who who's to say i will say biden's announcement of this did not seem like some well-planned campaign strategy was kind of off the cuff because howard stern asked him, are you going to debate donald trump? this has been something of discussion when you talk to biden surrogates and they had never said outright right? yes, this debate will be happening. they'd kinda not offered a real answer. so it is notable. i don't think any
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trump and donald trump has been fined before. but here's what's unprecedented what's unprecedented is if this judge decides that incarceration is appropriate, that's never been done to a former president. so if that is going to happen, i can appreciate the judge being very deliberate and likely have a written decision the judge could sentence donald trump two up to 30 days in jail for each violation. and that's just the first ten so i can appreciate that, but he's going to have to rule that's what trial judges do. and he's going to have to make a decision judge ladoris hazard cordell, we very much appreciate the perspective. thanks for being with us. >> thank you wael trial of donald trump a historic one is now on a quick break. >> we're expecting the trial to resume at any moment in to see who could be called next as a prosecution witness. that is just minute. that's a way they would sienna the stanley cup playoffs presented by geico on tnt and ten out electric cup playoffs presented by geico covers continues to make six 30 on t
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for donald trump. so they're trying to make the point to the jury of this was nothing out of the ordinary, and i think they're trying to suggest that the jury what's the big deal, what's the crime that cross-examination will continue today, anderson, in a few moments all right. >> elie honig. thanks so much. back here outside of the courthouse with with paula reid it was very interesting yesterday to just get a sense from david pecker the amount of time that they have known each other the amount of information that they kind of, the long, the length of their relationship. yeah. this is a relationship, a friendship really that went back decades long for trump, who is running for the white house. and it was a mutually beneficial relationship for a long time. >> trump provided a lot of news where the national enquirer, that soul when he was the height of his fame, pecker said, during the apprentice of the national enquirer would run helpful stories to trump's threat to amplify the great ratings. >> we sai
for donald trump. so they're trying to make the point to the jury of this was nothing out of the ordinary, and i think they're trying to suggest that the jury what's the big deal, what's the crime that cross-examination will continue today, anderson, in a few moments all right. >> elie honig. thanks so much. back here outside of the courthouse with with paula reid it was very interesting yesterday to just get a sense from david pecker the amount of time that they have known each other the...
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. >> there is donald trump walking toward the microphone. this is when he talks, he hasn't spoken about the trial itself lately. well, here when he says this morning thank you very much, everybody i want to start by wishing my life very happy birthday i should be with her, but i'm in a courthouse for rape, drug so wreak terrible. >> what we're doing very well in this big drought everybody knows. >> yesterday was a big day. >> but i do have to begin my wishing happy birthday. >> she said i'll be going there this evening. >> answer this case finishes up with this car unconstitutional case. when it finishes up we have hi report that is just put out by house judiciary on the district attorney's office, which was done by congress. and so is it just came out really wow. moments ago, and i haven't seen it read it but it should be interesting, i think yesterday went very well in this courthouse should be over, the case is over. >> you heard what we said and the patient be over but you have to make that determination and we have a judge, you would ne
. >> there is donald trump walking toward the microphone. this is when he talks, he hasn't spoken about the trial itself lately. well, here when he says this morning thank you very much, everybody i want to start by wishing my life very happy birthday i should be with her, but i'm in a courthouse for rape, drug so wreak terrible. >> what we're doing very well in this big drought everybody knows. >> yesterday was a big day. >> but i do have to begin my wishing happy...
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is directly impactful to donald trump's case. first prior bad acts evidence coming into the courtroom. the second, the appellate courts finding that harvey weinstein basically could not testify because so much was going to be allowed in on cross-examination the same type of argument would apply to donald trump at the sandoval hearing. that's where prosecutors are told by the judge what can come in if donald trump were to testify, they opened up the gates. the judge to the e jean carroll case, to the new york state attorney general, civil fraud case because of that, donald trump will have a similar argument that he's hamstrung. he couldn't possibly testify because of everything that's going to come in on cross-examination. it's directly related to the appellate division decision that we just heard today. >> did not see that twist coming. misty marris. thank you so much. it's always a pleasure for sure. >> okay. >> next hour i'm cnn news central starts right now only if necessary, donald trump changing his tune on whether he will t
is directly impactful to donald trump's case. first prior bad acts evidence coming into the courtroom. the second, the appellate courts finding that harvey weinstein basically could not testify because so much was going to be allowed in on cross-examination the same type of argument would apply to donald trump at the sandoval hearing. that's where prosecutors are told by the judge what can come in if donald trump were to testify, they opened up the gates. the judge to the e jean carroll case,...
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donald trump could be held in contempt odyssey caitlyn yeah. >> well, the prosecutors wanted donald trump held in contempt. have that hearing earlier in the week because of ten violations that they had collected that they believe when beyond what the judge is allowing donald trump to say publicly about witnesses and jurors specifically, we don't ever resolve on that yet because the judge hasn't said what he's going to do. if trump is held in contempt, if he should be fined or have some other punishment or sanction then prosecutors yesterday it came into court and said he keeps doing it. here's an example about david pecker on the stand as trump walked into court or was in manhattan speaking to reporters yesterday morning all right you lot of david pecker's testimony so far one last time very nice david been very nice and nice guy. there's going to be a hearing next thursday about this, and prosecutors say that is an example of donald donald trump using his platform to make it clear he's going to comment on witnesses as they come through the courtroom. jon, katelyn polantz. thank you very
donald trump could be held in contempt odyssey caitlyn yeah. >> well, the prosecutors wanted donald trump held in contempt. have that hearing earlier in the week because of ten violations that they had collected that they believe when beyond what the judge is allowing donald trump to say publicly about witnesses and jurors specifically, we don't ever resolve on that yet because the judge hasn't said what he's going to do. if trump is held in contempt, if he should be fined or have some...
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trump everyday has convicted felon donald trump with that is a fact, not an assertion. he's a convict when you when and if he is a convicted felon how will i feel you don't know the answer that question because you don't know your mute yourself. >> allison, how do democrats feel about this dynamic well, i mean, i think you see the campaign going to use this as a split screen contrast, someone who is hi, joe biden who is trying to work for the american public while the other person has spent his days in court, not campaigning because he is caught up in all of these indictments and in these court cases, and all of this morass but i do think to date the messaging hasn't quite landed yet, so i do think sarah saying about doing some coupling with the hush money case and abortion doing that campaign can do that. but then also outside groups like that ad was great. and i think you'll see more of things like that from outside cruises this has been a great conversation, thanks to all of you, because it's friday. we did want to leave you with this. it's a very special story. we w
trump everyday has convicted felon donald trump with that is a fact, not an assertion. he's a convict when you when and if he is a convicted felon how will i feel you don't know the answer that question because you don't know your mute yourself. >> allison, how do democrats feel about this dynamic well, i mean, i think you see the campaign going to use this as a split screen contrast, someone who is hi, joe biden who is trying to work for the american public while the other person has...
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so if he isn't convicted, then donald trump kit and the other cases are delayed or whatever donald trump can essentially go out on the campaign trail and talk about those kitchen table she's as joe biden is, so i think it really depends on the outcome at the end of the day. >> all right. julie mentioned for the hill, julia, thanks very much for being with us. i appreciate it all right. >> the us supreme court, as we've touched on, is now set to rule on donald trump's claims of sweeping presidential immunity. the justices heard oral arguments yesterday, much of its surrounding, what should it'd be considered official conduct of a president, which in theory might be protected compared to what is private. and what the president may not be immune from petitioner turned to a private attorney was willing to spread knowingly false claims of election fraud to spearhead is challenges to the election results. >> private, as we dispute the allegation, but sounds private. two sounds but petitioner conspired with another private attorney who caused the filing and court of a verification signed by pet
so if he isn't convicted, then donald trump kit and the other cases are delayed or whatever donald trump can essentially go out on the campaign trail and talk about those kitchen table she's as joe biden is, so i think it really depends on the outcome at the end of the day. >> all right. julie mentioned for the hill, julia, thanks very much for being with us. i appreciate it all right. >> the us supreme court, as we've touched on, is now set to rule on donald trump's claims of...
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there was that moment in trump tower where he was being thanked by donald trump. this is an exchange there. pecker says he asked me how i was doing. i said i'm okay. he asked me how's karen was doing and i told he asked how's karen doing? how's our girl, how's my girl house are girl doing? he said then i said she's she's writing or articles, she's quiet, she's easy. things are going fine. so he said, i want to thank you for handling the mcdougal situation. then he said, i want to he also said i want to thank you for the doorman's story, for the doorman situation in the question from the prosecutor is and what did you understand mr. trump to be thanking you for regarding? in the karen mcdougal story and the doorman, i felt he was thanking me for buying them and for not publishing any of the stories in helping the way i did. and why was he so appreciative as the prosecutor? the answer he said that the stories could be very embarrassing question, what did you understand that to mean? answer. i felt that it was going thank you be very embarrassing to him. his family,
there was that moment in trump tower where he was being thanked by donald trump. this is an exchange there. pecker says he asked me how i was doing. i said i'm okay. he asked me how's karen was doing and i told he asked how's karen doing? how's our girl, how's my girl house are girl doing? he said then i said she's she's writing or articles, she's quiet, she's easy. things are going fine. so he said, i want to thank you for handling the mcdougal situation. then he said, i want to he also said i...
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donald trump. this photo shows pecker and the former president walking past the white house rose garden. the president asking him at that moment according to him, how is karen doing and he said he replied she is doing well, she is quiet, everything is going well. in another conversation he said he referred to dougal as our girl. he also suggested trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels. we will bring you excerpts from our coverage tonight. >> the supreme court oral arguments and the conservatives appeared to embrace some form of criminal immunity. the liberal minority by contrast focused on the temptation that might be for the future president if they have that. >> what i am more worried about you seem to be worried about the president being chilled. i think we would have a really significant opposite problem if the president wasn't chilled. if someone with those kinds of powers, the most powerful person in the world with the greatest amount of authority could go into
donald trump. this photo shows pecker and the former president walking past the white house rose garden. the president asking him at that moment according to him, how is karen doing and he said he replied she is doing well, she is quiet, everything is going well. in another conversation he said he referred to dougal as our girl. he also suggested trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels. we will bring you excerpts from our coverage tonight. >> the supreme...
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so in the trump case that means donald trump is being charge for a payment from michael cohen to stormy daniels. that was a judge elite concealed. so the payment from ami to a doorman who was them possession of a rumored love child, those are not the actions that donald trump is being charge for in these cases but the judge has led in all of this testimony about these transactions to establish the intent and the alleged conspiracy here. those are stated exceptions in new york case law to the general rule you do not lead in evidence of uncharged crimes. nevertheless i think the weinstein verdict being overcharged just illustrates how fraught it is anytime a court let's then in. certainly donald trump will capitalize on every opportunity he has to say this was a prejudice prosecution they leading to much. >> grounds for appealing andnd overturning. great to see you. >> next a sketch artist who was in court with trump today said she saw a big change from trump and his lawyers. she will show you would tell you exactly what she saw and why. >> cap is cracked out one college counseling may ce
so in the trump case that means donald trump is being charge for a payment from michael cohen to stormy daniels. that was a judge elite concealed. so the payment from ami to a doorman who was them possession of a rumored love child, those are not the actions that donald trump is being charge for in these cases but the judge has led in all of this testimony about these transactions to establish the intent and the alleged conspiracy here. those are stated exceptions in new york case law to the...
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they don't want it to be donald trump. and i was at nikki haley's when one of her last two or three rallies in raleigh, north carolina and the atmosphere in that room was real. and i knew that most of those people were probably going to vote for donald trump. but if you were putting on a t-shirt that said permanently banned, that the haley campaign and created i'm just going to be harder for you to make that decision. this is what we're seeing and if you're convicted, if donald trump is convicted, that makes it harder. the other problem is as this case goes on, it makes it harder for donald trump to make his case to those voters who don't like donald trump and don't like joe biden to talk about inflation, to talk about crime, to talk about the border, because all of this drowns out those things that republican candidates were on the top of the ticket or down below the ticket, want to be talking about? >> yeah. we started seeing real outreach from the trump campaign to those nikki haley's your orders. let me that raises a q
they don't want it to be donald trump. and i was at nikki haley's when one of her last two or three rallies in raleigh, north carolina and the atmosphere in that room was real. and i knew that most of those people were probably going to vote for donald trump. but if you were putting on a t-shirt that said permanently banned, that the haley campaign and created i'm just going to be harder for you to make that decision. this is what we're seeing and if you're convicted, if donald trump is...
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donald trump? you don't think the jury is going to be somewhat offended that this guy who's running for president in the united states is involved with all these sleeves that he buried, that he buried is sex story you heard from their witness, so did this through celebrity sorted that celebrities this celebrities sort of celebrity, so this celebrity that happens all the time, it's not this unique. oh, god, they came this isn't watergate. that's my point. that watergate was a very unique time. it's the first time it's something like that is ever happen. what came out of cross examination is this happens all the time, but bringing it back to a temidayo said a moment ago, but this time they consulted their lawyers and then they started to back off because they realized that they were veering into territory with respect to the campaign that made them nervous about it the money with the money that's what matters here, is the money. >> but if i could jump out off of what you were saying on the stand, pec
donald trump? you don't think the jury is going to be somewhat offended that this guy who's running for president in the united states is involved with all these sleeves that he buried, that he buried is sex story you heard from their witness, so did this through celebrity sorted that celebrities this celebrities sort of celebrity, so this celebrity that happens all the time, it's not this unique. oh, god, they came this isn't watergate. that's my point. that watergate was a very unique time....
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trump he also outlined the involvement donald trump's onetime fixer, michael cohen, along with trump. question, when michael cohen said, the boss will take care of it, what did you understand that to mean? that he that i would be either reimbursed by the trump organization or by donald trump pecker also said he assumed trump was worried about stories impacting his campaign. not as family. question. now, did he ever say eighth that made you think that his concern about these stories getting out was for his family rather than for his campaign. pecker's answer. i thought it was for the campaign we have a lot to talk about within legal commentator and former trump white house lawyer, jim shultz for repel or prosecutor jean rossi, former january 6 committee investigative counsel, markets childress. former us attorney, and the author of the forthcoming book, pardon power. it can wally and former republican congressman joe walsh so glad to have all of you guys here. i want to ask you first about what took place. there was the cross-examination here, marcus, because there was a lot i mean, t
trump he also outlined the involvement donald trump's onetime fixer, michael cohen, along with trump. question, when michael cohen said, the boss will take care of it, what did you understand that to mean? that he that i would be either reimbursed by the trump organization or by donald trump pecker also said he assumed trump was worried about stories impacting his campaign. not as family. question. now, did he ever say eighth that made you think that his concern about these stories getting out...
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they want to suggest that donald trump was aware of a catch and kill scheme for the purpose of trying to have no transparency for the election in moving that particular needle. >> what did you see today? >> well, i think they've established probably the narrative that he had an intent to influence the election. not necessarily to protect millennia or his reputation and also that the catch and kill scheme was created in order to cover up the payouts to these women. the question i think is what todd blanche said in his opening statement, which is will the jury be persuaded that this is a crime? well, they say to themselves, listed then this is just the rough and tumble of politics. this is just the dirty things that politicians do and should a former president really be prosecuted for what amounts to falsification of business records. that's really the crime what brings it from a misdemeanor to a felony is this intent to commit another crime? i'm or conceal& there was a motion for a bill of particulars. the judge did rule and they had four different theories of these underlying crimes.
they want to suggest that donald trump was aware of a catch and kill scheme for the purpose of trying to have no transparency for the election in moving that particular needle. >> what did you see today? >> well, i think they've established probably the narrative that he had an intent to influence the election. not necessarily to protect millennia or his reputation and also that the catch and kill scheme was created in order to cover up the payouts to these women. the question i...
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and you heard donald trump praising him today. now if you said he's attacked everybody else involved in the case, he praises pecker, high praise, still friends. so what do you think is going on here? >> well, i think that trump as we know, is very smart with people pecker has so much on him that we haven't even scratched the surface on. if he went after pecker the way he's gone after his other enemies, there's a very good chance pecker who does not like to be cornered would strike back and say, well, you say this to me. i'm going to go out with this and so by being nice to him, he's trying to put that fire out before it even starts so jeremy, when you're in the courtroom and you were there and watched all of this pecker testifying and you watch both under direct and cross and donald trump bridging those two sets of questioners to david pecker. >> you also were watching the greater all of this. >> how captivated war they, how intently were they focused on pecker you know, it's interesting. i made a point to make sure i was looking
and you heard donald trump praising him today. now if you said he's attacked everybody else involved in the case, he praises pecker, high praise, still friends. so what do you think is going on here? >> well, i think that trump as we know, is very smart with people pecker has so much on him that we haven't even scratched the surface on. if he went after pecker the way he's gone after his other enemies, there's a very good chance pecker who does not like to be cornered would strike back...
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trump got to the white house and donald trump inviting david pecker two. we learned yesterday, two days ago that he invited him to win his his presidential announcement. they invite him to the presidential inauguration. he came to the white house. he was in the oval office. he had dinner at the white house and brought business associates it's because his wife didn't want to come they'll go after him on the timeline and his memory and what he said now, the question of how successfully they can distance himself from donald trump is a big one. is there was built as a thank you dinner that the white house very interesting indeed. >> everybody standby. there's a lot more and we need to discuss excluding the other consequential court case for donald trump we have a breakdown of today's us supreme court arguments over presidential immunity. how the justices appear ready to rule against the former president, while also potentially preventing a trial before election day, stay with us. you're in this situation every piece of evidence tells a story how it really happ
trump got to the white house and donald trump inviting david pecker two. we learned yesterday, two days ago that he invited him to win his his presidential announcement. they invite him to the presidential inauguration. he came to the white house. he was in the oval office. he had dinner at the white house and brought business associates it's because his wife didn't want to come they'll go after him on the timeline and his memory and what he said now, the question of how successfully they can...
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trump, right? it's called in the supreme court donald j. trump, petitioner versus united states. but many of the justices, if not most of them, seemed very, very focused on the precedent this case could set for future presidents, right? >> and just, just because they kept going back to that point, i think it's a it's a big win, frankly for the former president because that's one of the things his, his lawyers kept arguing. they kept saying that if you allow this to go forward this way, that other presidents could face prosecution for any acts they committed in office. and so you'll hear, justice gorsuch describing what he says he sees at play here. listen i'm not concerned about this case, but i am concerned about future uses of the criminal law to target political opponents based on accusations about their motives whether it's reelection or who knows what corrupt means in 15, 12 right? >> we don't know what that means maybe we'll find out sometime soon. but the dangerousness of accusing europe political opponent of having bad motives and if that's enough to overcome your core po
trump, right? it's called in the supreme court donald j. trump, petitioner versus united states. but many of the justices, if not most of them, seemed very, very focused on the precedent this case could set for future presidents, right? >> and just, just because they kept going back to that point, i think it's a it's a big win, frankly for the former president because that's one of the things his, his lawyers kept arguing. they kept saying that if you allow this to go forward this way,...
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donald trump running for office, donald trump the game show host, donald trump, the real estate tycoon, donald trump, the steak manufacturer, and on and on and on to the trump brand is like a legitimately legitimate subject for a defense. it isn't the trump brand was totally part and parcel of the campaign in that way. there's no doubt about that. that's why he was immediately recognizable to the american public and able to be a player in this campaign. but remember, this is candidate trump, prior to president. so like when you're running a presidential campaign, campaign, as you know, there's almost nothing you were doing that is not in the context of that presidential campaign. >> yeah, delta john edwards kara scannell is in new york. she's been following every detail from outside the courthouse. qarrah significant day in court as the judge's now dismissing the jury, those poor jurors get to go poem and have some time to themselves, get us up to speed on where the defense team left matters in its cross-examination of this first witness, david pecker so the defense has only been going
donald trump running for office, donald trump the game show host, donald trump, the real estate tycoon, donald trump, the steak manufacturer, and on and on and on to the trump brand is like a legitimately legitimate subject for a defense. it isn't the trump brand was totally part and parcel of the campaign in that way. there's no doubt about that. that's why he was immediately recognizable to the american public and able to be a player in this campaign. but remember, this is candidate trump,...
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trump and using donald trump also in many ways. but i think the main thing about david pecker is that he's going to be the key corroborating witness for michael cohen, humans, we all know has some credibility issues here. and while they may try and use the non-prosecution agreement as a way to check challenge pecker's credibility i think that they went a long way towards establishing that pecker was a truth teller here and had nothing to hide since he was under some obligation to tell well, the truth as the result of the non-prosecution agreement. so when when when michael cohen comes to testify, they can then say, well, you were at this meeting with david pecker. you had this phone conversation with david pecker. and so there'll be able to tell the same story. and i think that's really important. i know we've been focused on the feud between cohen and trump had said throughout bitcoin has also spent the last two to three years on this crusade to rehabilitate his image& to convey to the public that he understands he did some someth
trump and using donald trump also in many ways. but i think the main thing about david pecker is that he's going to be the key corroborating witness for michael cohen, humans, we all know has some credibility issues here. and while they may try and use the non-prosecution agreement as a way to check challenge pecker's credibility i think that they went a long way towards establishing that pecker was a truth teller here and had nothing to hide since he was under some obligation to tell well, the...
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donald trump, you are not immune. now at that point jack smith's team actually made an unusual move. they said supreme court, we want to skip this middle level. we want you to take this case directly. it's too important, it's too urgent. supreme court said, no, you got to go through the normal channel so that brought us to the mid-level court of appeals, donald trump again claimed he was immune and again, the appeals court, they rejected that argument two they said the same thing essentially, presidents are not covered by their status as former president's. now, a couple of things that we need to know and a couple of things we don't know about immunity. first of all, there is such thing as civil immunity. you cannot sue a president or other federal officials for things they did and within the scope of their job, we know that from 1982 supreme court case involving richard nixon, you will hear reference to that case today. what we don't know and what we will learn today is, first of all, is there such thing as criminal
donald trump, you are not immune. now at that point jack smith's team actually made an unusual move. they said supreme court, we want to skip this middle level. we want you to take this case directly. it's too important, it's too urgent. supreme court said, no, you got to go through the normal channel so that brought us to the mid-level court of appeals, donald trump again claimed he was immune and again, the appeals court, they rejected that argument two they said the same thing essentially,...
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>> donald trump's immunity? the immunity he says, but absolute immunity that he says he should now before the supreme court exactly. do americans believed that he should have criminal immunity? the vast majority, 56% say no, just 28% say yes. so if the supreme court decides that he should have absolute immunity, that is something that applies a very much in the face of public opinion of vast majority say he should not have done immunity. and i will note that's important because the federal january 6 charges the vast majority of the clear majority of americans say that those charges are very serious. k. all right, thanks for acumen track of it all here. >> i really appreciate it, john. >> well, this now is so much trump national security adviser, former us ambassador to the un, john on bolton and i should say a long time, big time lawyer as well. and it's in that capacity, ambassador bolton, i want to ask you to what extent do donald trump's actions surrounding january 6 fall within the boundaries of official act
>> donald trump's immunity? the immunity he says, but absolute immunity that he says he should now before the supreme court exactly. do americans believed that he should have criminal immunity? the vast majority, 56% say no, just 28% say yes. so if the supreme court decides that he should have absolute immunity, that is something that applies a very much in the face of public opinion of vast majority say he should not have done immunity. and i will note that's important because the...
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all in service of overturning the 2020 election for donald trump. and as you mentioned, don trump is not indicted in this charging document, but he is referenced as unindicted coconspirator number one, and some of his closest allies are now facing criminal charges here in arizona that includes mark meadows is former white house staff that includes rudy giuliani is when we're personal lawyer that includes boris epshteyn, who was one of his closest aides even to this day boris epshteyn, people and trump-world tell us that the reason we have not seen boris epshteyn around trump recently including in new york, was started his criminal trial. there's because of concerns about the looming indictment that came to fruition last night. but i want to take a look at a few of the responses from arizona republicans because this indictment also charged all 11 fake electors from this state. you'll remember the fake electors scheme was targeting seven different states. it was part of this broader effort, allegedly to overturn the election, but arizona gop is pushin
all in service of overturning the 2020 election for donald trump. and as you mentioned, don trump is not indicted in this charging document, but he is referenced as unindicted coconspirator number one, and some of his closest allies are now facing criminal charges here in arizona that includes mark meadows is former white house staff that includes rudy giuliani is when we're personal lawyer that includes boris epshteyn, who was one of his closest aides even to this day boris epshteyn, people...
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>> i am donald trump is not trying to change who donald trump is. we all know who donald trump is. so that's already baked into this conversation. so if he was introducing himself to the american public, yes, i could agree with you. he's not he's known he's wrong quantity. >> can i ask what those abstract yeah you that question? >> i just the backdrop that's fine. >> but a backdrop for his campaign that is all about reinforcing the worst pieces of his personality that's where i don't that's where i don't want i might question that as a political winter question to the whole trial is about stories that he wanted to cover up from was it was going to write every day or every campaign has stories that whether it's you really would do damage or not do damage, have stories that they tried to cover up as reported? porter's, you all have been received calls from campaign officials who say, you know what, i think you've got the facts wrong here. yeah. well, i can really john john edwards exactly it worked out great for the man pain. >> let's look at his hair before and after but i guess all
>> i am donald trump is not trying to change who donald trump is. we all know who donald trump is. so that's already baked into this conversation. so if he was introducing himself to the american public, yes, i could agree with you. he's not he's known he's wrong quantity. >> can i ask what those abstract yeah you that question? >> i just the backdrop that's fine. >> but a backdrop for his campaign that is all about reinforcing the worst pieces of his personality that's...
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he was acting on behalf of donald trump and corroborating cohen's testimony. so when college i'm testifies to exactly what pecker did, we can't say. he's a liar, liar, liar. that's not true. pecker already said it was because that laundry list you noted about that that makes michael cohen a public figure, also raises a heck of a lot of questions about his credibility that we know the defense is going to talk about joey jackson. thank you very much for being with us this morning. i really appreciate it. >> nothing going on, casey. >> nothing at all. all right. >> now, to this house speaker mike johnson calling on columbia university's president to resign during his tense visit to the new york city campus yesterday johnson visited with jewish students and delivered remarks works with other republican lawmakers as he was booed the entire time. >> it is manifest my message to the students inside the encampment is good. go back to class and stop the nonsense. stop wasting your parents money enjoy your free speech following that tense news conference, johnson defend
he was acting on behalf of donald trump and corroborating cohen's testimony. so when college i'm testifies to exactly what pecker did, we can't say. he's a liar, liar, liar. that's not true. pecker already said it was because that laundry list you noted about that that makes michael cohen a public figure, also raises a heck of a lot of questions about his credibility that we know the defense is going to talk about joey jackson. thank you very much for being with us this morning. i really...
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trump, who is donald trump in the courtroom? >> can you point at what was he wearing? any pointed to trump and he said, he's wearing a blue suit and that was the only time where we saw the present former president. he stood up, he sat up in his chair and he gave us smirk literally the only smile i saw him flashed the entire de of describing a smirk i would say it was this mark, it was, you know, one of the faces he likes to give he was he trump was paying attention. i think, especially when david pecker took the stand on monday, trump was very focused on his testimony, i think on tuesday as it's settled in and we listened him speak for hours. trump's sort of dial back, you lean back in his chair. he shuffled through his papers and i think he was a little less focused on every word that he was saying. >> well, it's gonna be tomorrow is going to be a crucial de, what more do prosecutors need from david pecker right now, right. >> so he's done a tremendous job for them. the opening presentation& already in some sense corroborating
trump, who is donald trump in the courtroom? >> can you point at what was he wearing? any pointed to trump and he said, he's wearing a blue suit and that was the only time where we saw the present former president. he stood up, he sat up in his chair and he gave us smirk literally the only smile i saw him flashed the entire de of describing a smirk i would say it was this mark, it was, you know, one of the faces he likes to give he was he trump was paying attention. i think, especially...
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trump picked michael cohen, donald trump picked david pecker. those are the people in his inner circle that he chose to do these things with. so you're left with who you're left with but isn't the issue i mean, michael cohen. >> okay. bad guy. hi. >> everybody can agree he committed crimes with packer. >> isn't the argument? >> well, he's not a bad guy. he's just a businessman who is involved with donald trump he's not the classic cooperator because the classic cooperator is someone who's already admitted to criminal conduct pecker hasn't admitted to, but he has been granted immunity by the fed's michael cohen was prosecuted federally for this. i mean, it's not like there wasn't some criminal acknowledgment federally and because of the supremacy clause unfortunately, that applies to the state, they can't then prosecute pecker for it, but i think it was both for david pecker. i think he was an associate in business person for with donald trump for a very long period of time and then came this crucial critical meeting in 2015, where they formulate
trump picked michael cohen, donald trump picked david pecker. those are the people in his inner circle that he chose to do these things with. so you're left with who you're left with but isn't the issue i mean, michael cohen. >> okay. bad guy. hi. >> everybody can agree he committed crimes with packer. >> isn't the argument? >> well, he's not a bad guy. he's just a businessman who is involved with donald trump he's not the classic cooperator because the classic...
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the special counsel, jack smith, is arguing that donald trump has never been above the law. trump's lawyers argued that what he did to try to overturn the election results was part of his official duties as president, and he shouldn't be prosecuted presidents have to be given total immunity. >> they have to be allowed to do the job in arguing that he has presidential immunity. >> donald trump says, if former president's could be criminally prosecuted for official acts, they took as president that threat would loom over everything. presidents do. >> they have to make decisions and they have to make them free of all terror that can be rained upon them when they leave office or even before they leave office. trump's making that argument before the supreme court in the january 6 election subversion case brought by special counsel, jack smith, who counters trump's argument by saying, no one is above the law. the idea that somebody can commit crimes in the oval office and then in perpetuity for the rest of their life, escape all accountability is inimical to american law and the c
the special counsel, jack smith, is arguing that donald trump has never been above the law. trump's lawyers argued that what he did to try to overturn the election results was part of his official duties as president, and he shouldn't be prosecuted presidents have to be given total immunity. >> they have to be allowed to do the job in arguing that he has presidential immunity. >> donald trump says, if former president's could be criminally prosecuted for official acts, they took as...
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only donald trump, nobody else, according to fani willis, donald trump committed a crime and some of the georgia electors dead, but not others, according to the indictment, we see tonight. and another one of the states only the electors are liable, not donald trump, according to other states, no electors, nobody's criminally liable. this doesn't make any sense. come together. it's become a pylon. it's become chaos. and by the way, on top of all this, not a single one of these indictments which came three years after the fact has resulted in a single guilty plea or conviction to any serious or any felony case. i need to see the proof in the pudding before i'm at all impressed by any of these, well jam, the other aspect of that could be, well, there's no coordination then there's not the sort of conspiring least among prosecutors to have one consistent theme. >> each side averaging something different. what do you say to this? >> well, let me look to our show if you want to get into all the wrinkles of time left, let's just say this. if you want to dispel that notion now a little bit,
only donald trump, nobody else, according to fani willis, donald trump committed a crime and some of the georgia electors dead, but not others, according to the indictment, we see tonight. and another one of the states only the electors are liable, not donald trump, according to other states, no electors, nobody's criminally liable. this doesn't make any sense. come together. it's become a pylon. it's become chaos. and by the way, on top of all this, not a single one of these indictments which...
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now, the lie is that donald trump won the 2020 election. that lie was memorialized on video, a video posted by the arizona republican party itself you can see here the fake electors put pen to paper and swore to fraud. the name defendants included the state's former republican party chair to sitting legislators, and a former united states senate candidate. the defendants whose names are obscured by black ink, pierce trump's most inner circle. it's rudy giuliani. it's mark meadows, mike roman, jenna ellis, john eastman, or it's epstein and it's the 1927 yankees of bogus election fraud essentially at the center is one man unindicted coconspirator number one, also known as donald trump, the former president of the united states. now, the arizona indictment is yet another blockbuster moment in a post-presidency that has been historic for all the wrong reasons. and it's not the only time today in a remarkable turn of deja vu that we learned that the former president it could have been charged with crimes and a swing state where he tried to deny
now, the lie is that donald trump won the 2020 election. that lie was memorialized on video, a video posted by the arizona republican party itself you can see here the fake electors put pen to paper and swore to fraud. the name defendants included the state's former republican party chair to sitting legislators, and a former united states senate candidate. the defendants whose names are obscured by black ink, pierce trump's most inner circle. it's rudy giuliani. it's mark meadows, mike roman,...
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and i think whether you are close to donald trump or you worked for donald trump, we all owe the american people the truth about donald trump. we owe them the opportunity to know who he actually is and it's not easy. i was very loyal to donald trump when i worked for him and it took me a long time to make that break der lot of consequences you have to weigh when you make the break with trump world but what i fear more is the deceit that donald trump will continue to perpetuate if more people don't stick up for the truth it must feel really surreal. just, i mean, you worked with mark meadows on the hill. i remember when i was covering the white house and you worked there you are kind of everywhere that he went, you were on air force one, you were in his office, you worked right outside of it it must know what really surreal to see him get indicted a second time. it's really sad i was really close with mark. i really believed in mark as a principle that's why i chose to take drop with the chief of staff so it's difficult to see him in this position. but i think on the greater scale to free
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we're going to be talking about stormy daniels and they're going to try and say, you know donald trump wasn't really involved in this. this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question. is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit of power over him. you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting you. >> a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead. the other consequential case looming over donald trump with the us supreme court preparing to hear argu
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why are you walking free when donald trump, they're trying to lock up donald trump and they're going to argue, you are trying to please the prosecutors. they gave you a sweetheart deal. you're on the palm of their hand. i think the other thing they're going to do and i don't know how much traction they're gonna get is they're going to try to argue the vast majority of your contacts about this catch and kill. we're not with donald trump. they were with michael cohen and he was operating off the books. but as you remember, jake, there were plenty of contacts, not plenty, but a few contexts between pecker and donald trump. >> le, stick around while the hush money trial resumes in new york tomorrow, the us supreme court is also going to hear arguments tomorrow on whether trump should get the ultimate trump card when it comes to some of the most scathing charges against him, the justices are facing a momentous question. they have never had to answer before. can a former president be immune from criminal liability for his actions while he was while he was in office. this all stems, of cour
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the hill is quite steeper for donald trump to climb. >> all right, go going to see if you. thanks so much for being here. thank you we're gonna keep monitoring these protests on campuses from coast this programming note, speaker mike johnson will be a guest tonight. >> on erin burnett out front. that's right here on cnn coming up at 7:00 eastern only here on cnn up next on the lead within a matter of hours to immensely consequential cases are going to come for the nine justices of the us supreme court. the first pitt's state level abortion bans versus federal law, which one wins out in a medical emergency how this challenge could have national implications also, the case involving former president trump hits the supreme court. can he be prosecuted for potential crimes he committed while he was president or depressed? sadun's have immunity. we're going to lay out the argument that will test future power of presidents high. >> it's christina again, i'm here to tell you about an all new special offer from my friends at jacuzzi bathroom hey, model that you don't want to miss, w
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and he confirmed for the very first time that that list includes former president donald trump. trump's former attorney, rudy giuliani trump's chief of staff when he was in the white house, mark meadows, and then finally, jenna ellis, who was a trump campaign attorney. what this means is that state prosecutors in michigan believed that those four people were coconspirators in this fake electors plot, though i want to of course stress they are not facing charges in michigan at this time. they were all charged in georgia. you remember that big election interference case down in georgia? they were all charged they're ellis pleaded guilty. the other three in iran doing guys. >> all right. now, marshall cohen, thank you so much for that report any minute now, house speaker mike johnson has said to me with jewish students at columbia university over concerns about their safety. >> and we understand he's said to call for the school president to resign all of this happening as protests breakout across the country live from the nation's capital, one of the most unforgettable night in dc,
and he confirmed for the very first time that that list includes former president donald trump. trump's former attorney, rudy giuliani trump's chief of staff when he was in the white house, mark meadows, and then finally, jenna ellis, who was a trump campaign attorney. what this means is that state prosecutors in michigan believed that those four people were coconspirators in this fake electors plot, though i want to of course stress they are not facing charges in michigan at this time. they...
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but let's hear first from justice neil gorsuch was donald trump's first appointee to the supreme court. and some of his skepticism we're going to essentially regulate the practice of medicine in the states through the spending clause. the answer, i think is yes, congress could prohibit gender reassignment surgeries across the nation. they could ban abortion across the nation through the use of its spending clause already, right? >> congress does have broad authority under the spending clause and yes is if it satisfies the conditions that the spending clause themselves itself requires, then i think that that would be valid legislation and the court had in many contexts recognize spent in class legislation preempts so to the answer is yes. >> okay yeah. >> i mean, it his point was that you're pushing pretty far here, but she kept trying to build in some restrictions. basically the point from the government, from elizabeth prelogar, the solicitor general, is that there's really only a small category of cases, small but very profound and important were a woman health is seriously at risk.
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call us now today, former president donald trump is waiting to find out if he's going to be sanctioned for violating the gag order in his hush money criminal trial hearing, yesterday, prosecutors handed the judge ten social media posts, where they argued that trump violated the gag order. >> and judge merchan appeared unimpressed with the defense's explanations that trump was trying to comply, telling trump lawyer todd blanche quote, you are losing all credibility with the court. >> and even before yesterday's hearing got underway, trump risked violating the gag order by repeatedly attacking key witness michael cohen in an interview he did with cnn affiliate wpvi. it should be noted that the interview didn't air until the hearing was it's over. we have a clip michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. >> he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me, than he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey
call us now today, former president donald trump is waiting to find out if he's going to be sanctioned for violating the gag order in his hush money criminal trial hearing, yesterday, prosecutors handed the judge ten social media posts, where they argued that trump violated the gag order. >> and judge merchan appeared unimpressed with the defense's explanations that trump was trying to comply, telling trump lawyer todd blanche quote, you are losing all credibility with the court. >>...
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delaware county, donald trump got 76%. nikki haley, 24%. yeah, bucks county trump, at one nikki haley, 19 montgomery county, trump 75 nikki haley, 25. i just want to mind our viewers. nikki haley's not running for president, hasn't been for quite awhile exactly. so what does that tell you? >> well, there's obviously resistance to trump. and this was a closed primary. so these were republicans voting there is a contingent of republican voters who are reluctant about trump. i'm sure this trial is in helping there they're their feelings about that. and this was a way to express that the question is, does that translate into a vote? >> what's your feeling on that? >> i think some portion of them will but we are very tribal society right now politically and when people see the de and the are a bunch of that is going to melt away. but in a marginal race, it could be a difference. >> you're inside the biden campaign right now how do you reach those voters? >> listen, i think that the voters who are not engaged, right now are very much about econom
delaware county, donald trump got 76%. nikki haley, 24%. yeah, bucks county trump, at one nikki haley, 19 montgomery county, trump 75 nikki haley, 25. i just want to mind our viewers. nikki haley's not running for president, hasn't been for quite awhile exactly. so what does that tell you? >> well, there's obviously resistance to trump. and this was a closed primary. so these were republicans voting there is a contingent of republican voters who are reluctant about trump. i'm sure this...
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have a lot of options if he's not willing to send donald trump to jail. and i don't think that he is, at least not right now. >> the gag order is one small part of this case. the overarching case. there's a lot that has happened already with one of the key witnesses here. we heard from the first and very key witness, david pecker, the former publisher of the enquirer who is on the stand talking about conversations that he had with donald trump to help trump's campaign. and hurt trump's opponents. here's some of what transpired during court. pecker sets, and i'm going to put pull this up here as he's talking to trump, it said anything i hear in the marketplace, if i hear anything negative about yourself or if i hear anything about women selling stories, i would notify michael cohen who was then donald trump's fixer and personal attorney as i did over the last several years. and the prosecutor say, okay. so they would not get published, you mean? and he responds? yeah. so they wouldn't get published yes. jennifer why is it so important for prosecutors to sh
have a lot of options if he's not willing to send donald trump to jail. and i don't think that he is, at least not right now. >> the gag order is one small part of this case. the overarching case. there's a lot that has happened already with one of the key witnesses here. we heard from the first and very key witness, david pecker, the former publisher of the enquirer who is on the stand talking about conversations that he had with donald trump to help trump's campaign. and hurt trump's...
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i do think there's no way donald trump gets locked up based on his first batch of violations. but you do have to think ahead. i mean, what if donald trump continues to violate, what if the judge continues to reprimand him, continues to find him, and what if this happens? 456 times. so it's possible there could come a moment where this is a reality. i think it's the right thing for the secret service to think about those possibilities. they certainly plan for more remote possibilities than this. but i don't think it's on the horizon immediately as we sit here now and also kind of speaks to it really does speak to the unprecedented nature of all of it, right? that there could be a defendant who may need to be reprimanded to custody, but that defendant also needs to have access to the secret service in case of an emergency, it's all just a lot. it's good to see you la let's see what happens tomorrow. >> thanks, sarah ben, description ever it's a lot. all right. how airlines may soon have to do more to make you happy if you're flight ends up getting delayed. also, millions of medi
i do think there's no way donald trump gets locked up based on his first batch of violations. but you do have to think ahead. i mean, what if donald trump continues to violate, what if the judge continues to reprimand him, continues to find him, and what if this happens? 456 times. so it's possible there could come a moment where this is a reality. i think it's the right thing for the secret service to think about those possibilities. they certainly plan for more remote possibilities than this....
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tower meeting between him, michael cohen, and donald trump. essentially, david pecker saying he was going to be the eyes and the ears of trump's 2016 campaign saying that if he heard any bad stories about donald trump, then he would quote, notify michael cohen, and then he would be able to have them killed in another magazine or have them not be published published, or somebody would have to purchase them. prosecutors asked him purchase a negative stories about mr. trump so that they would not get published. you mean and he had he responded that they would not get published? >> yes. so it really gives us foundation of how this whole scheme work, which is important, john, of course, because yes, there are the charges for falsifying documents, but prosecutors are trying to make that link to the felony, which is essentially that they did that to conceal another crime. and so this testimony is very important for the jurors to hear. now, pecker was on the stand when court adjourned yesterday. it continues tomorrow with him back on the stand and he
tower meeting between him, michael cohen, and donald trump. essentially, david pecker saying he was going to be the eyes and the ears of trump's 2016 campaign saying that if he heard any bad stories about donald trump, then he would quote, notify michael cohen, and then he would be able to have them killed in another magazine or have them not be published published, or somebody would have to purchase them. prosecutors asked him purchase a negative stories about mr. trump so that they would not...