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the decision by the way is likely to have huge implications on special counsel jack smith's election interference case against donald trump as well as in year's presidential race. >>> newly returned from china, san francisco mayor london breed now on the stump for votes in san francisco. she wants to keep her job and is making the case to voters at the neighborhood level. she's got some major opposition you see here. several high-profile challengers. campaigning on promises of change. each touting their own solutions to the city's problems from crime to the housing crisis. the candidates are all deploying a strategy and that is to get into neighborhoods to have face-to-face conversations and wilson walker went along with mayor breed who is doing the same. this time at san bruno avenue in the portola district. >> oh my goodness. you -- leon, you got my grandmothers out here in the cold. >> reporter: in a blustery afternoon wind, mayor london breed hit san bruno avenue, going door-to-door along a business corridor with a large chinese population in a sure sign that the campaign and han
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jack smith in the courtroom and all justices went back and forth with two extreme positions. former president's legal team says he has immunity and special counsel says he has none. what it seemed like justices are trying to get to is middle ground, presidents need some level of immunity so they can make difficult decisions, but not efverything he ever did woud be covered. they are trying to find middle ground. as jonathan turley and colleagues have said, i get the sense they send it to a lower court to deal with again, that turns into a net win for trump legal team. they'll have that private vote today. we won't know for a while. >> guy: we were talking on the guy benson show. plug there. what does that mean for the timeline? that is crucial here. >> shannon: yeah, if that would happen, they would have to pick and choose through what are private acts, what were official acts he did as president, not as a candidate or person. as the president. that is going to take some time before you get back to the trial on the merits. one question yesterday, i think from justice barrett,
jack smith in the courtroom and all justices went back and forth with two extreme positions. former president's legal team says he has immunity and special counsel says he has none. what it seemed like justices are trying to get to is middle ground, presidents need some level of immunity so they can make difficult decisions, but not efverything he ever did woud be covered. they are trying to find middle ground. as jonathan turley and colleagues have said, i get the sense they send it to a lower...
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lawyers for special counsel jack smith argue no president is above the law. here's abc news reporter jay o'brien. >> this morning, the supreme court weighing former president trump's unprecedented claim. absolute presidential immunity. the argument the president can never face criminal prosecution for anything they do in office linked to their official duties without presidential immunity from criminal prosecution, there can be no presidency as we know it. the claim central to trump's defense in the january 6th case, brought by special counsel jack smith. trump asserting many of the election interference efforts smith alleges were official acts. liberal justices not buying the argument. >> the framers did not put an immunity clause into the constitution. wasn't the whole point that the president was not a monarch and the president was not supposed to be above the law. >> responding to justice sotomayor, trump's attorney, arguing a president assassinating a political rival they view as corrupt could even qualify as an official act and not be subject to crimina
lawyers for special counsel jack smith argue no president is above the law. here's abc news reporter jay o'brien. >> this morning, the supreme court weighing former president trump's unprecedented claim. absolute presidential immunity. the argument the president can never face criminal prosecution for anything they do in office linked to their official duties without presidential immunity from criminal prosecution, there can be no presidency as we know it. the claim central to trump's...
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yesterday's historic high-court arguments stem from special counsel jack smith's case charging trump with plotting to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. >> whatever we decide is going to apply to all future presidents. >> reporter: the justices suggested that presidents should have some level of protection from criminal prosecution for official acts, though with that came more questions. >> how exactly would we determine what the -- what an official act is? >> reporter: the supreme court is expected to issue its ruling by early summer. so depending on that ruling and whether the court says presidents have some immunity but not full immunity, this could end up getting sent back to a lower court which likely would delay the election interference trial until after this november's election. >> i suspect that's part of the plan. jarred hill in new york. thank you. >> reporter: thanks. >>> onto the other criminal case, as we said. trump's criminal trial continues today in manhattan. the defense is expected to resume cross-examination of the lead prosecution witness, fo
yesterday's historic high-court arguments stem from special counsel jack smith's case charging trump with plotting to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. >> whatever we decide is going to apply to all future presidents. >> reporter: the justices suggested that presidents should have some level of protection from criminal prosecution for official acts, though with that came more questions. >> how exactly would we determine what the -- what an official act...
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smith for his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election. the liberal justices pressed trump's lawyers on where that argument could lead if the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person in and he orders the military or orders someone to assassinate him, is that within his official acts that for which he can get immunity? but the conservative justices made the case that presidents need some protection. >> presidents have to make a lot of tough decisions about enforcing the law, and they have to make decisions about questions that are unsettled. did i understand you to say, well, you know, if he makes a mistake, he makes a mistake. he's subject to the criminal laws just like anybody else. you don't think he's in a special a peculiarly precarious position. >> the takeaway from yesterday's arguments expect a delay in thel laws just like anybody else. you don't think he's in a special a peculiarly precarious position. >> the takeaway from yesterday's arguments expect a delay in the former national enquirer publisher david pecker was ba
smith for his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election. the liberal justices pressed trump's lawyers on where that argument could lead if the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person in and he orders the military or orders someone to assassinate him, is that within his official acts that for which he can get immunity? but the conservative justices made the case that presidents need some protection. >> presidents have to make a lot of tough decisions about enforcing the...
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but that's what special counsel jack smith asked for. he actually said the justices should expedite this case so that they could have a decision by the end of the term. so that's what they're doing to do. whether or not this is going to go past too long before an election will be held in november, that's going to be up to how the court writes it and whether there are still issues left for lower courts to resolve. norah. >> really interesting. jan crawford, thank you. >>> instead of being at those supreme court hearings, donald trump was in a courthouse in lower manhattan for his so-called hush money trial. that's where we find cbs's robert costa. good evening, robert. >> reporter: good evening, norah. former president donald trump isn't attacking david pecker, the former publisher of the "national enquirer," just yet, but pecker's testimony here today in lower manhattan could threaten trump, offering new details about an alleged catch and kill operation to influence the 2016 election. this morning, former president trump weighed in on a
but that's what special counsel jack smith asked for. he actually said the justices should expedite this case so that they could have a decision by the end of the term. so that's what they're doing to do. whether or not this is going to go past too long before an election will be held in november, that's going to be up to how the court writes it and whether there are still issues left for lower courts to resolve. norah. >> really interesting. jan crawford, thank you. >>> instead...
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jack smith can say, i'll pare this down and include only the crimes that are private acts. or as the lawyer for the solicitor general -- or for the special counsel said yesterday, thinking of donald trump in his role as office holder versus office seeker. there are a lot of acts here as office seeker where i think he could say, fine, even if -- you know, we'll litigate these issues another day, but i'm ready to go to trial on just these issues relating to his private acts. if that's the case, i think that this case could go to trial before the election. >> that's interesting. we'll keep an eye on that. jen, as you know, the trump team has always felt a delay is a win for them with the theory of the case being, if they can push all of this stuff back with delay, delay, delay, past election day, he gets himself re-elected, makes it all go away. on the other side of that, though, as you also know very well, talking to people around the biden campaign, they are not counting on these cases to save them. they are running a campaign to win. they do believe that his sitting in cour
jack smith can say, i'll pare this down and include only the crimes that are private acts. or as the lawyer for the solicitor general -- or for the special counsel said yesterday, thinking of donald trump in his role as office holder versus office seeker. there are a lot of acts here as office seeker where i think he could say, fine, even if -- you know, we'll litigate these issues another day, but i'm ready to go to trial on just these issues relating to his private acts. if that's the case, i...
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>> brian, i think the most important concession was by michael dreeben who was the lawyer for jack smith and for the biden justice department who basically conceded that there is presidential immunity from prosecution. now, he doesn't allow that it's as robust as president trump argues. but he certainly made a concession to the court that there is an am bit of executive authority that congress can't criminalize once you make a decision that there is presidential immunity, then the question becomes what acts does it cover? so i think by the end of the argument, it became at least to my mind much more likely that the court may resolve this by sending the case back to trial judge in washington with instructions to go through the indictment and sort out what is an official act of the presidency what is a private act that isn't covered by immunity. if that's what the court does, i don't see how this case gets to trial prior to election day. >> ainsley: what happens if this does. smith's way on almost everything. you know, ainsley, judges behave better when they know someone is checking their
>> brian, i think the most important concession was by michael dreeben who was the lawyer for jack smith and for the biden justice department who basically conceded that there is presidential immunity from prosecution. now, he doesn't allow that it's as robust as president trump argues. but he certainly made a concession to the court that there is an am bit of executive authority that congress can't criminalize once you make a decision that there is presidential immunity, then the...
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this was jack smith with a very receptive court trying to push for something that makes no sense. speedy trial, right. is entirely are 99% designed to protect a defendant, particularly incarcerated defendant, from sitting and rotting in prison. and then eventually being acquitted. so this idea that they had to have done was pretty shamelessly political. and i think that's why the supreme court bristled when jack smith said less expedited, i don't think they care about i have this whole conversation months ago. well, they don't care about the political timeline that jack created. and so what i'm saying is the realistic ending of this case, if the majority holds with how oral argument went, is that they're going to be returning all of these cases were immunity is in play to fact-finding lower courts, which will then have and you're like you have with police shootings about whether it's in the course of employment, then they're probably going to march right back up to the supreme part and say, how about this is not the last appeal to go all the way up without question. >> well, if it
this was jack smith with a very receptive court trying to push for something that makes no sense. speedy trial, right. is entirely are 99% designed to protect a defendant, particularly incarcerated defendant, from sitting and rotting in prison. and then eventually being acquitted. so this idea that they had to have done was pretty shamelessly political. and i think that's why the supreme court bristled when jack smith said less expedited, i don't think they care about i have this whole...
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. >> i thought it had to be a dispiriting day for special counsel, jack smith. you saw, one after another, the members of the conservative majority on the court basically signal discomfort with his position and some degree of alignment with trump's claim that there should be at least some type of immunity or protection for a former president from criminal charges. i have a vivid memory of sitting there, and having each of those justices, justice kavanaugh, chief justice john roberts, and judge gorsuch, going one by one and making clear that they were not going to come out in this case the way that jack smith wants them to come out. at that point, it's a numbers game that i do not think looks good. >> mark, were you as surprised as i was to hear the line of questioning that came out of some of the more conservative justices, like brett kavanaugh and judge gorsuch and samuel alito? >> i was. the sense that i got from those justices was that to them, to their minds, the real threat to democracy was not trump's effort on january 6th, to overturn a free and fair pres
. >> i thought it had to be a dispiriting day for special counsel, jack smith. you saw, one after another, the members of the conservative majority on the court basically signal discomfort with his position and some degree of alignment with trump's claim that there should be at least some type of immunity or protection for a former president from criminal charges. i have a vivid memory of sitting there, and having each of those justices, justice kavanaugh, chief justice john roberts, and...
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i don't think anybody has thought of so far that jack smith could do. i don't want to put any idea i sat in his head because i hate this prosecution. prosecution r. fai i think it's unconstitutional and i think it's wrong. bu would be interestingsee to see if jack smith triedifsm to take that concessioitn and rn with it. i don't know what the courts would do. macoi'm sure, if i would have me that concession. but with all thade that said, m, either you agree that this case now no chance of being triede of wefore november, or at least is that your take? we only have about 10 seconds each. grean secot yeah, i just think to's impossible to get this done. it's inevitable that the supreme court, regardles gets of their precise decision, they got to send it back to thee lower court for findings of fact. at the very leas t by the trial court judge and professor. there's a current indictment. it can't put under the current indictment the cur, can't be trd before the election. but if they amended the indictment to include only the conceded thd publiceitu private
i don't think anybody has thought of so far that jack smith could do. i don't want to put any idea i sat in his head because i hate this prosecution. prosecution r. fai i think it's unconstitutional and i think it's wrong. bu would be interestingsee to see if jack smith triedifsm to take that concessioitn and rn with it. i don't know what the courts would do. macoi'm sure, if i would have me that concession. but with all thade that said, m, either you agree that this case now no chance of being...
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smith's indictment are indeed private good x what led to the change from your team? >> well, i think we've always conceded, first of all, that there is no presidential immunity for president's private acts in office. i think we've also conceded that obviously president trump engaged in many private acts during the time period in question. i thought in many respects the much more damning concession, if you could call what we did a concession at all? oh was michael dreeben essentially admitting the attorney for the special counsel's office essentially
smith's indictment are indeed private good x what led to the change from your team? >> well, i think we've always conceded, first of all, that there is no presidential immunity for president's private acts in office. i think we've also conceded that obviously president trump engaged in many private acts during the time period in question. i thought in many respects the much more damning concession, if you could call what we did a concession at all? oh was michael dreeben essentially...
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but jack smith, the special counsel who is, of course, prosecuting donald trump for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election and the events around january the sixth and the attack on the capitol, he says no—one is above the law, and that's what the justices have been wrestling with. they, i think, were pretty sceptical of the idea of total immunity from prosecution. now, that may be bad news for donald trump, but they also may want to make a kind of distinction between acts done as a private citizen or for private reasons, and acts done as official as part of the officialjob. and that may mean they push this back down to the lower courts, which could delay the case even further. and we're already looking at a very tight timetable forjack smith, the special counsel, to bring this case before the election. donald trump himself was not in washington — he was in a courtroom in new york, where the first ever criminal trial of a us president is under way, and he addressed the supreme court case. the us supreme court had a monumental hearing on immunity and the immunity having to do with the
but jack smith, the special counsel who is, of course, prosecuting donald trump for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election and the events around january the sixth and the attack on the capitol, he says no—one is above the law, and that's what the justices have been wrestling with. they, i think, were pretty sceptical of the idea of total immunity from prosecution. now, that may be bad news for donald trump, but they also may want to make a kind of distinction between acts done as a...
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but that's what special counsel jack smith asked for. he actually said the justices should expedite this case so that they could have a decision by the end of the term, so that is what they are going to do. whether or not this is going to go past too long before an election will be held in november, that's going to be up to how the court writes it. and there will still be decisions left for lower courts to resolve. norah? >> norah: all right, really interesting. jan crawford, thank you. instead of being at those supreme court hearings, donald trump was in a courthouse in lower manhattan for his so-called hush money trial. that's where we find cbs's robert costa. good evening, robert. >> reporter: good evening, norah. former president donald trump isn't attacking david pecker, the former publisher of the "national enquirer," just yet, but pecker's testimony today here in lower manhattan could threaten trump, offering new details about an alleged catch and kill operation to influence the 2016 election. this morning, former president trump
but that's what special counsel jack smith asked for. he actually said the justices should expedite this case so that they could have a decision by the end of the term, so that is what they are going to do. whether or not this is going to go past too long before an election will be held in november, that's going to be up to how the court writes it. and there will still be decisions left for lower courts to resolve. norah? >> norah: all right, really interesting. jan crawford, thank you....
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smith has an option and i wonder if yes thought about it he could actually achieve what he wants to achieve , as sleazy as i think it is trying to mainly get a down and dirty conviction before the election if he did the following, a fee tomorrow had the grand jury reindict donald trump only charging private acts not acts that are immunized trump's own lawyer acknowledged publicly on the record that it would be constitutional permissible to indict and try a president for private acts and of the indictment as it exists today is a combination of jumble really of private acts and public acts so jack smith would probably have the option of going back and getting a new indictment and thereby moving the supreme court decision by simply taking the position that trump's lawyer made and using it as the basis for prosecuting he may lose that case obviously because i don't know whether there is enough in the private act to warrant a criminal prosecution but that is an option that i know i don't think he knew else has thought of so far that jack smith could do i don't want to put any ideas in hi
smith has an option and i wonder if yes thought about it he could actually achieve what he wants to achieve , as sleazy as i think it is trying to mainly get a down and dirty conviction before the election if he did the following, a fee tomorrow had the grand jury reindict donald trump only charging private acts not acts that are immunized trump's own lawyer acknowledged publicly on the record that it would be constitutional permissible to indict and try a president for private acts and of the...
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smith for attempting to overthrow the results of the 2020 election. john yang is here now in studio with more. >> amna, it was a big day for former president trump in a number of courts -- in addition to the nearly three hours of oral arguments in his immunity case at the supreme court, a grand jury in arizona indicted several of his closest allies, for allegedly trying to subvert the 2020 election. following all of this is the “newshour's” william brangham, and our supreme court analyst marcia coyle. they were both at the supreme court this morning. remind us the basics. what is president's argument and the response? >> very simply, president trump is asking the court to say that a former president has absolute immunity for conduct involving his or her official acts, and that that immunity stretches all the way to the outer perimeter of his office. and he's looking to certain clauses in the constitution and certain precedents to bolster that argument, but the government is saying basically there is no immunity clause in the constitution. it does
smith for attempting to overthrow the results of the 2020 election. john yang is here now in studio with more. >> amna, it was a big day for former president trump in a number of courts -- in addition to the nearly three hours of oral arguments in his immunity case at the supreme court, a grand jury in arizona indicted several of his closest allies, for allegedly trying to subvert the 2020 election. following all of this is the “newshour's” william brangham, and our supreme court...
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but jack smith, the special counsel who is, of course, prosecuting donald trump for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election and the events around january 6 and the attack on the capitol. he says no—one is above the law, and that's what the justices have been wrestling with. they, i think, were pretty sceptical of the idea of total immunity from prosecution. now, that may be bad news for donald trump, but they also may want to make a kind of distinction between acts done as a private citizen or for private reasons, and acts done as official as part of the officialjob. and that may mean they push this back down to the lower courts, which could delay the case even further. and we're already looking at a very tight timetable forjack smith, the special counsel, to bring this case before the election. 0ur north america correspondent nada tawfik has been covering trump's hush—money trial. we are still on the first witness in this case, the publisher of the national enquirer, and he gave more details into these payments that he said he made on behalf of donald trump through his lawyer, michae
but jack smith, the special counsel who is, of course, prosecuting donald trump for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election and the events around january 6 and the attack on the capitol. he says no—one is above the law, and that's what the justices have been wrestling with. they, i think, were pretty sceptical of the idea of total immunity from prosecution. now, that may be bad news for donald trump, but they also may want to make a kind of distinction between acts done as a private...
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disaster for the special counsel jack smith. at least five of the court's republicans seemed eager at the very least to trump delay federal criminal trial adding that the justice who seemed to hedge the most, john roberts, also seemed to think that trump enjoys at least some immunity from criminal prosecution joining us now. chris landau. chris, is there real reason for the left to be in despair tonight? >> i think it was a good day for former president trump in the supreme court, laura. but i think that's just because he's got the law and common sense on his side. i mean, this is -- the question as you just read is whether a president can be subjected to criminal liability after leaving office for official acts, right? nobody is arguing here about the president's being immune for private acts. right? so, you know, murder, speeding, whatever. the thing is, if we cross the rubicon of saying that our presidents can be criminally charged for their official acts, we don't have a country anymore. i mean, how is a president -- how is
disaster for the special counsel jack smith. at least five of the court's republicans seemed eager at the very least to trump delay federal criminal trial adding that the justice who seemed to hedge the most, john roberts, also seemed to think that trump enjoys at least some immunity from criminal prosecution joining us now. chris landau. chris, is there real reason for the left to be in despair tonight? >> i think it was a good day for former president trump in the supreme court, laura....
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supreme court today majority sounded like they may limit special counsel jack smith's 2020 case against former president trump. presidential immunity. what does it mean now? >> it's interesting because it didn't seemed like a large majority of the core certainly got there has to be some residential immunity for official acts. i think before this case was brought, these cases were brought against president trump most people assumed presidents had immunity for official acts like others like the speech and debate class but these cases are extraordinary brought against the president and the arguments today suggested the president trump will give a strong ruling for majority of the supreme court that at least his official act are immune from criminal prosecution. the question becomes which official act -- >> let's show the new york times headline because even the new york times is saying it so what do you think about where you come down on this? >> i think that's right, a court majority probably have a five -- four, extension three official acts police have immunity and they're going to send
supreme court today majority sounded like they may limit special counsel jack smith's 2020 case against former president trump. presidential immunity. what does it mean now? >> it's interesting because it didn't seemed like a large majority of the core certainly got there has to be some residential immunity for official acts. i think before this case was brought, these cases were brought against president trump most people assumed presidents had immunity for official acts like others like...
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supreme court's decision will determine whether special counsel jack smith can try trump for his alleged efforts to interfere with the 2020 election. >>two lower courts have already rejected trump's claims of immunity, but legal hey, it's possible the supreme court will look for a middle ground, >>>>not go the full distance >>that trump is requesting, but they might be willing to recognize a more limb. form of criminal immunity. the supreme court's decision >ryan>is expected by july >>possibility that the supreme court sends the case back to the lower court. other days, and even if the supreme court sides >ryan>with the justice department remains to be seen >>whether the special counsel have enough time to try this case before action still ahead at noon and streaming on cbs >ryan>news bay area gas prices soar >>find out which part of the bay is selling a gas gallon of gas for more than dolls and a new ruling by the epa. could be >ryan>1 of the biden administration is toughest constraints my name is douglas. i'm a writer/director and i'm still working. in the kind of work that i do, you a
supreme court's decision will determine whether special counsel jack smith can try trump for his alleged efforts to interfere with the 2020 election. >>two lower courts have already rejected trump's claims of immunity, but legal hey, it's possible the supreme court will look for a middle ground, >>>>not go the full distance >>that trump is requesting, but they might be willing to recognize a more limb. form of criminal immunity. the supreme court's decision...
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smith today and then dining room was an sealed charging donald j. trump, with conspiring to defraud the united states, conspiring to disenfranchise voters a conspiring and attempting to obstruct an official proceedings. but trump legal team argues who should be protected by presidential immunity. the claim, many legal experts are skeptical about. he doesn't have any text in the constitution to rely on, and that's significant because the constitution does grant and unity explicitly to members of the legislature. but it doesn't mention the president. according to his lawyers from who is acting with in his official responsibility was president. when he legibly tried to overturn the results of the 2020 election, they say no president and us history was ever prosecuted for his official act. and neither should from but the case goes beyond donald trump. if the supreme court ruled that the president doesn't have immunity from prosecution, many fear it could open the door to criminal behavior in office to have the president, the above the law and be able to commit crimes well in office woul
smith today and then dining room was an sealed charging donald j. trump, with conspiring to defraud the united states, conspiring to disenfranchise voters a conspiring and attempting to obstruct an official proceedings. but trump legal team argues who should be protected by presidential immunity. the claim, many legal experts are skeptical about. he doesn't have any text in the constitution to rely on, and that's significant because the constitution does grant and unity explicitly to members of...
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the high court's decision would determine whether or not special counsel jack smith can move forward with his case charging trump with scheming to overturn the 2020 presidential election results, which trump denies. >> it had never recognized this sort of immunity from criminal prosecution that trump is requesting. so i think it's a pretty uphill battle for the trump side. >> reporter: if the court rules against the former president's immunity claims, his trial on election interference charges could possibly start before the election this november, though the court could also decide to send the case back to the lower courts. legal experts say that would also add even more delays to the proceedings. >> the supreme court understands that time is of the essence here. and that all sides and the public all want a prompt decision, whatever that may be. >> reporter: the supreme court's decision is expected to come by early july. these justices have multiple paths to decide how they want to move forward in this case. and how quickly the court moves forward ultimately depends on how they go f
the high court's decision would determine whether or not special counsel jack smith can move forward with his case charging trump with scheming to overturn the 2020 presidential election results, which trump denies. >> it had never recognized this sort of immunity from criminal prosecution that trump is requesting. so i think it's a pretty uphill battle for the trump side. >> reporter: if the court rules against the former president's immunity claims, his trial on election...
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jack smith says it happened after he was president. here is what the former president said an hour and a half ago. >> we have a big case today on presidential immunity. a president has to have immunity or you have a ceremonial president. >> this case was supposed to go to trial in early may, it was delayed. arguing for special counsel is michael dreebben, who was on robert mueller's team. and john sour worked for former president trump, former law clerk to late justice scalia. if rule in favor of special counsel jack smith itten moos the trial will be back on, engines kick back on. we probably won't go to trial for several months, it's been paused at district court level. if they rule in favor of donald trump, don't expect to see a trial at all. we should have a decision by end of june, at latest, it is possible it could be in the next several weeks. it is not something that will be decided if a few days. >> bring in jonathan turley, law professor. professor turley, old saying bad case makes bad case law. are we setting up bad case law
jack smith says it happened after he was president. here is what the former president said an hour and a half ago. >> we have a big case today on presidential immunity. a president has to have immunity or you have a ceremonial president. >> this case was supposed to go to trial in early may, it was delayed. arguing for special counsel is michael dreebben, who was on robert mueller's team. and john sour worked for former president trump, former law clerk to late justice scalia. if...
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. >> today's arguments stem from special prosecutor jack smith's criminal charges against trump of crimes related to his effort to overturn his 2020 election loss. trump argues he can't be prosecuted, claiming those actions were taken as president. >> the fact that the supreme court is even entertaining, that there's questions there is deeply troubling. >> a three judge panel previously struck down trump's immunity claims, saying a president should not have unbound authority to commit crimes, giving the example of assassinating a political rival. this, says the former president, faces three other criminal cases. >> the various cases pending against donald trump, in which he's raised the question of criminal immunity. the january 6th case, the mar-a-lago case and the georgia case. because for all of those, for at least part of the time he was president. >> meantime, in arizona, a grand jury appears to have indicted seven attorneys or aides affiliated with trump over alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election in that state. they include rudy giuliani, mark meadows, attorney john eastman,
. >> today's arguments stem from special prosecutor jack smith's criminal charges against trump of crimes related to his effort to overturn his 2020 election loss. trump argues he can't be prosecuted, claiming those actions were taken as president. >> the fact that the supreme court is even entertaining, that there's questions there is deeply troubling. >> a three judge panel previously struck down trump's immunity claims, saying a president should not have unbound authority...
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the high court's decision would determine whether or not special counsel jack smith can move forward with his case charging trump with scheming to overturn the 2020 presidential election results which trump denies. >> never recognized this sort of immunity from criminal prosecution that trump is requesting. so i think it's a pretty uphill battle for the trump side. >> reporter: if the court rules against the former president'simmunity claims his trial on election interference charges could possibly start before the election this november. though the court could also decide to send the case back to the lower courts. legal experts say that would also add even more delays to the proceedings. >> the supreme court understands that time is of the essence here. and that all sides and the public all want a prompt decision. whatever that may be. >> reporter: the supreme court's decision is expected to come by early july. and the justices have multiple paths to decide this case and how quickly the court comes to a decision ultimately depends on what these justices look for in terms of an agree
the high court's decision would determine whether or not special counsel jack smith can move forward with his case charging trump with scheming to overturn the 2020 presidential election results which trump denies. >> never recognized this sort of immunity from criminal prosecution that trump is requesting. so i think it's a pretty uphill battle for the trump side. >> reporter: if the court rules against the former president'simmunity claims his trial on election interference...
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the high court's decision would determine whether or not special counsel jack smith can move forward with his case charging trump with scheming to overturn the 2020 presidential election results which trump denies. >> never recognized this sort of immunity from criminal prosecution that trump is requesting. so i think it's a pretty uphill battle for the trump side. >> reporter: if the court rules against the former president's immunity claims, his election interference trial could possibly start before the election this november. though the court could also decide to send the case back to the lower courts. legal experts say that would also add even more delays to the proceedings. >> the supreme court understands that time is of the essence here and that all sides and the public all want a prompt decision, whatever that may be. >> reporter: the supreme court's decision is expected to come by early july. the justices have multiple paths to decide this case. and how quickly the court moves today following the arguments ultimately depends on whether the justices agree on a decision. anne
the high court's decision would determine whether or not special counsel jack smith can move forward with his case charging trump with scheming to overturn the 2020 presidential election results which trump denies. >> never recognized this sort of immunity from criminal prosecution that trump is requesting. so i think it's a pretty uphill battle for the trump side. >> reporter: if the court rules against the former president's immunity claims, his election interference trial could...
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moonty, you just have a ceremonial president. >> reporter: special counsel jack smith who charged trump insists that the. former president's behavior continued after he left office of and should be prosecuted, full stop. the case was supposed to go to trial in early march, it was delayed when the supreme court agreed to hear the case. the justices typically like to shy away from politics, they cannot escape it in this case. if they say trump is not immune opinion, the engines will start moving. it will take a couple of months to at least start a trial that's been on hold for several months. if the justices rule that donald trump is immune, we may not see a case in washington, d.c. at all. again, we will hear from the if justices expected to go several hours, a final decision's supposed to come down, maria, at the latest by the end of june but, of course, could be earlier. maria: so we won't know today, david. we'll get the news potentially next month. >> reporter: exactly, yeah. we're not going to know today. the earliest we could hear is potentially a few weeks, a although it's a compl
moonty, you just have a ceremonial president. >> reporter: special counsel jack smith who charged trump insists that the. former president's behavior continued after he left office of and should be prosecuted, full stop. the case was supposed to go to trial in early march, it was delayed when the supreme court agreed to hear the case. the justices typically like to shy away from politics, they cannot escape it in this case. if they say trump is not immune opinion, the engines will start...
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now, special counsel jack smith says trump's behavior continued after he left office, and he should be prude full stop. this case was supposed to go to trial here in d.c. in early march. it was delayed when the supreme court behind me agreed to hear the case. arguing for the special counsel is michael dreeben who previously worked on special counsel robert mueller's team arguing for donald trump is john sower antonin scalia law clerk. justices who typically like to shy away from politics cannot escape it in this case. they are entering the nerve center of the elections. if they say that trump is not immune, the engines of the case will kick back on and start moving if the justices side with the former president, it's possible he does not go to trial at all here in washington, d.c. again, arguments kick off at 10:00. we definitely expect those to last at least two hours, perhaps even more. back to you. >> ainsley: thank you, david. the ruling is expected in late june. so that would be in the middle of the summer when we will find out what they decide. >> brian: then, of course, if they
now, special counsel jack smith says trump's behavior continued after he left office, and he should be prude full stop. this case was supposed to go to trial here in d.c. in early march. it was delayed when the supreme court behind me agreed to hear the case. arguing for the special counsel is michael dreeben who previously worked on special counsel robert mueller's team arguing for donald trump is john sower antonin scalia law clerk. justices who typically like to shy away from politics cannot...
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does it go away or can jack smith still prosecute him? >> jack smith says if there is partial idea of immunity, the case can proceed. i disagree. there need to be determination if conduct charged in january 6 fall in outer perimeter or whatever the court sets before you can proceed. question of immunity for a president is significant, how can you second guess them. that is what the court has to grapple with. >> carley: on the hush money tr trial, day seven today, they took their wednesday recess yesterday. on tuesday, prosecutors revealed conspiracy to promote election, where is this going? >> very interest ing finding, trump is charged with felony he fa falsified records. prose prosecutors allege if is new york law, which is expired misdemeanor. to say felonious conduct s, no specificity about what conduct he took to wrongfully promote an election. they have to show he falsified record and did so to promote election through conspiracy. it is becoming contro vo luted, that is newest theory. >> carley: you are teaching us about hush money
does it go away or can jack smith still prosecute him? >> jack smith says if there is partial idea of immunity, the case can proceed. i disagree. there need to be determination if conduct charged in january 6 fall in outer perimeter or whatever the court sets before you can proceed. question of immunity for a president is significant, how can you second guess them. that is what the court has to grapple with. >> carley: on the hush money tr trial, day seven today, they took their...
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special counsel jack smith's office contends that presidents are not above the law and that even if they are eligible for immunity for some official acts, trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election was not an official presidential act. now, trump's immunity claim has already been rejected by two lower courts, and the special counsel argues that justices should send the case back to u.s. district judge tanya chutkan to begin the trial. the decision and timing of the supreme court's ruling will be key as to whether the case goes to trial at all or is delayed past the presidential election. with all that said, a lot to unpack. joining us now nbc justice and legal affairs analyst anthony coley. he was the top spokesman at the department of justice under attorney general merrick garland. and a disclaimer he insists that i read, he's not an actual lawyer. set expectations at the right level. >> right. >> there's a lot to unpack today. crazy day. let's start with the immunity argument, because i think you and i both agree -- obviously everything's huge, but this one is monumental. what do yo
special counsel jack smith's office contends that presidents are not above the law and that even if they are eligible for immunity for some official acts, trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election was not an official presidential act. now, trump's immunity claim has already been rejected by two lower courts, and the special counsel argues that justices should send the case back to u.s. district judge tanya chutkan to begin the trial. the decision and timing of the supreme court's ruling...
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so the forgery is actually highlight the strength of jack smith's case because that is evidenced those forgeries are evidence and interference are obstruction in that manner is will be actionable no matter what the supreme court decides. all right. so there's also the i guess that just compare this app because when you bring up that trump would be able to pardon, et cetera, right. and the other case that we're talking about is georgia, right. which i know is perceived as a strong case and has had a lot of challenges just to maybe in terms of public perception because of the whole embroiled with fani willis how does this stand up to that? >> obviously trump is not in this one and the same but how would you compare the cases? >> i think this is this is a laser and not a kitchen sink and that one's more, that one is much broader. no one sprawling. that one includes like pressure being placed on election officials and trying to get them to change the racketeering aspect of this absolutely. the racketeering and racketeering law in georgia is even broader than federal racketeering law, which
so the forgery is actually highlight the strength of jack smith's case because that is evidenced those forgeries are evidence and interference are obstruction in that manner is will be actionable no matter what the supreme court decides. all right. so there's also the i guess that just compare this app because when you bring up that trump would be able to pardon, et cetera, right. and the other case that we're talking about is georgia, right. which i know is perceived as a strong case and has...
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smith in the federal january 6 election case against him joining me now with the latest is nbc news correspondent, vaughn hillyard. i know you have been reading into this and going through the indictment, so just the first of all, just set up what happened here in terms of the investigation, whose office did the investigation, how long it took and what attorney general mays announced today. >> i think it is important for folks that may be saying why did this investigation take so long, why is it the year 2024 for this indictment finally came down? will folks should also understand that in the state of arizona, it was a republican, mark brnovich was his name who was the attorney general the two years following the 2020 election. kris mayes didn't come into her position until winning that crucial november election in 2022 point that is what led to this investigation. over the course of this year, this was a sprawling investigation that led to not only the 11 alternate electors, the 11 fake electors being indicted but also the seven under individuals here if we just look at the 11 indi
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the special counsel, jack smith, is arguing that donald trump has never been above the law. trump's lawyers argued that what he did to try to overturn the election results was part of his official duties as president, and he shouldn't be prosecuted presidents have to be given total immunity. >> they have to be allowed to do the job in arguing that he has presidential immunity. >> donald trump says, if former president's could be criminally prosecuted for official acts, they took as president that threat would loom over everything. presidents do. >> they have to make decisions and they have to make them free of all terror that can be rained upon them when they leave office or even before they leave office. trump's making that argument before the supreme court in the january 6 election subversion case brought by special counsel, jack smith, who counters trump's argument by saying, no one is above the law. the idea that somebody can commit crimes in the oval office and then in perpetuity for the rest of their life, escape all accountability is inimical to american law and the c
the special counsel, jack smith, is arguing that donald trump has never been above the law. trump's lawyers argued that what he did to try to overturn the election results was part of his official duties as president, and he shouldn't be prosecuted presidents have to be given total immunity. >> they have to be allowed to do the job in arguing that he has presidential immunity. >> donald trump says, if former president's could be criminally prosecuted for official acts, they took as...
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smith says trump's behavior continued after he left office and he should be prosecuted. a ruling is expected by the end of june. >> president biden signed into law a foreign aid package today that includes billions of dollars in assistance to ukraine, israel and taiwan. the package includes $60 billion in aid for ukraine, $26 billion to support israel along with humanity an aid for gaza and $8 billion for allies in the indo-pacific. the white house first sought the foreign aid more than six months ago, president biden saying the u.s. will begin sending weapons and military equipment to ukraine starting tonight. >> it should have been easier and it should have gotten there sooner. but in the end, we did what america always does. >> i want to thank you for such significant support. very important support to president biden, to congress. >> the legislation also features a provision that could ban tiktok if its chinese parent company doesn't sell it within a year, citing safety concerns. tiktok ceo denies the chinese government has access to american data and plans to fight
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optimum tonight, donald trump and jack smith prepare for a final battle. >> before the supreme court, but has trump already won? i'll explain. >> plus new indictment against trump allies. we giuliani and mark meadows, there are now facing in zona for trying to overturn the 2020 election and tensions are boiling over and pro-palestinian protests on campuses all across this country. we've got a live report part tonight, and laura coates live so imagine for the second, if hollywood came up with the plot, i'm going to tell you about the presumptive republican nominee for president of the united states goes on trial in his own hometown, she tried to falsifying business records to cover up some kind of a sex scandal and while he's there at the very same time, his lawyers go before the supreme court tried to get him out of two federal criminal trials that could frankly up and his chances at retaking the white house sound unbelievable. >> well, believe it. it's actually real life because it's exactly what's going to happen just a few hours from now tomorrow morning and trump, he can't be in t
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but special counsel jack smith says trump's behavior continued after he left office and he should be prosecuted. if smith prevails, the court's decision could determine if trump will face trial before voters head to the ballot box in november, though the start of those proceedings could still take months to get underway. >> if this court comes up with a more nuanced approach, it would still likely have to send this back. it would seem almost impossible at that point for him to have a trial before the election. >> trump is not expected to attend thursday's arguments in washington, as the judge in his manhattan criminal case has mandated he be in the courtroom. throughout the trial, the justices are expected to rule by the end of june. in washington, david spunt fox two news. >> president biden courted another large union today during a campaign stop in the nation's capital. the president spoke at the north american building trade unions legislative conference after he received a key endorsement by the union representing u.s. construction workers. >> i'm proud to be the most union pro-
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. >> but special counsel jack smith says trump's behavior continued after he left office and he should be prosecuted if smith prevails. the court's decision could determine if trump will face trial before voters head to the ballot box in november, though the start of those proceedings could still take months to get underway. >> if this court comes up with a more nuanced approach, it would still likely have to send this back. it would seem almost impossible at that point for him to have a trial before the election. >> trump is not expected to attend thursday's arguments in washington, as the judge in his manhattan criminal case has mandated he be in the courtroom. throughout the trial, the justices are expected to rule by the end of june in washington. david spunt ktvu, fox two news police in san francisco are wearing denim today in recognition of sexual assault awareness month. >> denim day is observed on the last wednesday of april. it began 25 years ago after the italian supreme court overturned a rape conviction. now part of the ruling argued that the survivor was wearing tight jean
. >> but special counsel jack smith says trump's behavior continued after he left office and he should be prosecuted if smith prevails. the court's decision could determine if trump will face trial before voters head to the ballot box in november, though the start of those proceedings could still take months to get underway. >> if this court comes up with a more nuanced approach, it would still likely have to send this back. it would seem almost impossible at that point for him to...
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smith in the federal january 6th election case against him. joining me now is -- von hillier. i know you have been reading into this and going through the indictment. first of all, set up what happened here in terms of the investigation, whose office did the investigation, how long it took and what attorney general mays announced today. >> it is important for folks that may be saying, why did this investigation takes a long, why is it the year 2024 before the indictment came down. folks should understand in the state of arizona, it was a republican -- who was the attorney general in the two years following the 2020 election. chris mays did not come into the position until winning the crucial november election in 2022. that is what led to the investigation. over the course of the year, this was a sprawling investigation that led to not only the 11 fake electors being indicted, but also the seven other individual year. if we look at the 11 individuals, i think number one, when you look from an arizona perspective, there was not much effort to hi
smith in the federal january 6th election case against him. joining me now is -- von hillier. i know you have been reading into this and going through the indictment. first of all, set up what happened here in terms of the investigation, whose office did the investigation, how long it took and what attorney general mays announced today. >> it is important for folks that may be saying, why did this investigation takes a long, why is it the year 2024 before the indictment came down. folks...
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he was charged by special counsel jack smith for allegedly trying to overturn the 2020 election results. he claimed the alleged acts happened within his official role as president. and he can't be charged. special counsel smith says trump's behavior continued into his post presidency. this trial originally was supposed to happen in march. it's been delayed because of the supreme court. depending on what the supreme court does, we you could have trial later this summer, august, september, if they rule in trump's favor we may not have one at all. shannon? >> shannon: we will cover that trial start to finish tomorrow. david, thank you. >> thank you. >> shannon: three republicans joined all 29 of the democrats in the arizona house of representatives to pass a measure to repeal the state's near total ban on abortion. that bill now goes to the state senate. the ban is based on a 19th century law that was recently upheld by the state's supreme court. it allows abortions only in cases when the mother's life is in danger. >> it's not everyday you can say you made the world truly a better place.
he was charged by special counsel jack smith for allegedly trying to overturn the 2020 election results. he claimed the alleged acts happened within his official role as president. and he can't be charged. special counsel smith says trump's behavior continued into his post presidency. this trial originally was supposed to happen in march. it's been delayed because of the supreme court. depending on what the supreme court does, we you could have trial later this summer, august, september, if...
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if that's the thinking of the supreme court and it's remanded, jack smith is arguing that judge chutkan could still go to trial because there was so much private conduct involved here for a private aim using private actors, including private attorneys that even if there were some official acts involved, proper evidentiary instructions and jury instructions could take care of that and that anything else could be appealed thereafter. so we will see if the court asks questions about that tomorrow. >> are there specific questions that you're going to be watching for? >> certainly the question percentage was whether and to what extent there's immunity for official acts. they're going to hone in on official acts, there's no immunity for conduct whatsoever, even if it's in the scope of official acts and i think we'll see the second piece. what if there is? if there is, is anything mr. trump is charged with an official act? is it not? what do we do if some of it? >> mary mccord, thank you very much. and we are waiting on speaker mike johnson who will make an experience at columbia university. h
if that's the thinking of the supreme court and it's remanded, jack smith is arguing that judge chutkan could still go to trial because there was so much private conduct involved here for a private aim using private actors, including private attorneys that even if there were some official acts involved, proper evidentiary instructions and jury instructions could take care of that and that anything else could be appealed thereafter. so we will see if the court asks questions about that tomorrow....
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but what i'm waiting for now is jack smith to give us our democracy, to show us he needs to be punished, but not to be with his family. his wife is selling jewelry for mother's day. give me a break. host: all right, sophia. the president -- the judge is supposed to rule on a possible violation of the gag order today, the president expected in new york, his continued presence on day seven of the trial. paul in california, independent. caller: how are you doing? i have three things i would like to talk about. host: we are listening. caller: if you could pull up the picture of marjorie greene at the state of the union, i will make my point. host: we don't have everything at our fingertips but make your point. caller: i don't agree with lindsey graham much but the speech he made made sense to me so kudos to make -- kudos to him. he did the speech about the state of the world, about the domino effect. it was important. host: if we did not provide aid to ukraine? caller: all of it. host: margie is a democratic caller in leavenworth, kansas. good morning to you. caller: i would like to say it
but what i'm waiting for now is jack smith to give us our democracy, to show us he needs to be punished, but not to be with his family. his wife is selling jewelry for mother's day. give me a break. host: all right, sophia. the president -- the judge is supposed to rule on a possible violation of the gag order today, the president expected in new york, his continued presence on day seven of the trial. paul in california, independent. caller: how are you doing? i have three things i would like...