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mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be fun to hear. no no it's humiliating. >> for sure obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday. here's what he said this morning i want to start by wishing my life were you happy birthday? i should be with her, but i'm the courthouse for reg try far. i'll be going there this evening absolutely. >> case finishes out with his car unconstitutional okay. >> now, you also post a two-minute video on social media for her birthday highlighting her time as first lady, and that is what really stood out to you today, stephanie, how com you know, i rolled my eyes when he did that. it was it was so beyond inappropriate, but yet so donald trump that on the way into a trial where they are talking about alleged affairs
mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be fun to hear. no no it's humiliating. >> for sure obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday. here's what he...
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she also had contact information for karen mcdougal, the former "playboy" model who had an affair with trump. she typed in two addresses, a cell phone number and e-mail address. trump denies that affair, too, but former "national enquirer" public er publisher, david pecker, has testified that at trump's direction, his tabloid bought mcdougal's story but never ran it to protect trump's campaign. and after the election, pecker told the jury trump thanked him. on cross examination, trump's lawyer, susan necheles, suggested stormy daniels visited trump tower because she was being considered for a role on the apprentice. graff said there was office chatter about that, adding "i vaguely recall hearing trump say that daniels may be one of the interesting people who could be on the show." but no ambiguity on one point, when trump's lawyer asked graff if she wanted to be there in court, her one word answer, "no." and as she left the stand, donald trump rose up out of his chair to greet her, whispering some words and extending his hand. >> reporter: the first week of testimony ended with a bante
she also had contact information for karen mcdougal, the former "playboy" model who had an affair with trump. she typed in two addresses, a cell phone number and e-mail address. trump denies that affair, too, but former "national enquirer" public er publisher, david pecker, has testified that at trump's direction, his tabloid bought mcdougal's story but never ran it to protect trump's campaign. and after the election, pecker told the jury trump thanked him. on cross...
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mcdougal google's silence being bought for $150,000. that would have been and i forget if i don't know if it was the prosecution or mr. packer, but tabloid gold was the term that was used because people who read the national enquirer would have bought a lot of copies of it to read the story about donald j. trump, and 1998 play of the year pecker was the first witness on the stand for four days what do you know having researched this so much for your book and for the article about karen mcdougal, what do you know about david pecker and his relationship with donald trump that the jury did not here well, one thing is that it was a wider, deeper relationship than is being admitted into this case. there was a safe that contained a lot of materials about trump those materials moved locations several times over the course of disk becoming an electoral issue. there was a list that i was shown by a senior ami source of trump's stories, not all of them terribly consequential. some of them were his feud with rosie o'donnell, but some of them were
mcdougal google's silence being bought for $150,000. that would have been and i forget if i don't know if it was the prosecution or mr. packer, but tabloid gold was the term that was used because people who read the national enquirer would have bought a lot of copies of it to read the story about donald j. trump, and 1998 play of the year pecker was the first witness on the stand for four days what do you know having researched this so much for your book and for the article about karen...
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deal and just to remind folks, the karen mcdougal deal, this was a playboy playmate who alleged having a ten to 11 month relationship with donald trump. she had a story and what happened was that the tabloid magnate david pecker in ami, his company hired her. i gave her $150,000 to write a column for a different magazine in their end-to-end prior, i think it was health or health and fitness or something like that. she never wrote anything. she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david pecker had an election attorney look at this. this deal was going on. >> i think right before the 2016 election as well. yeah. well, it the implication would be that there was no actual election law violation as a result of these types of deals. right. so he has a lawyer ticket over. apparently the lawyer blessed it. right. and the deal with stormy daniels is strictly shuffle actually very, very similar, right? so that's sort of the implication. i don't think it actually is that potent of an observation. i don't i doubt we're going to hear from that lawyer in the course of this trial, which would be
deal and just to remind folks, the karen mcdougal deal, this was a playboy playmate who alleged having a ten to 11 month relationship with donald trump. she had a story and what happened was that the tabloid magnate david pecker in ami, his company hired her. i gave her $150,000 to write a column for a different magazine in their end-to-end prior, i think it was health or health and fitness or something like that. she never wrote anything. she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david...
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pecker, that your purpose in lob -- locking up the karen mcdougal story is to influence the election? that's trying to bring it back to the connection to the elections since during cross-examination he was certainly acknowledging he had a longstanding relationship with the tabloid and that there were years and years before the campaign when they were both promoting trump's interests and covering up embarrassing stories. >> the prosecution has to do everything that he can to bring it back to -- it makes this case a felony, that donald trump conspired to promote his election by unlawful means. if they allow the defense to create reasonable doubt in that one juror, this was business as usual, this is what donald trump did with pecker, even before the election, this is what they do, where is the illegalness in this? the prosecution -- this is the first witness. we have a long way to go. in their summation, the prosecutors have to connect all the dots and explain to this jury why they have proven that donald trump concealed a crime when he falsified the business records. if they don't prov
pecker, that your purpose in lob -- locking up the karen mcdougal story is to influence the election? that's trying to bring it back to the connection to the elections since during cross-examination he was certainly acknowledging he had a longstanding relationship with the tabloid and that there were years and years before the campaign when they were both promoting trump's interests and covering up embarrassing stories. >> the prosecution has to do everything that he can to bring it back...
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karen mcdougal was doing. in other words, was she sufficiently happy to keep others quiet? when she wasn't, at a point in time after she had sued the "enquirer" and wanted to be released from her non-disclosure agreement, trump was furious to see the interview with anderson cooper. pecker recounted that information, as well, willie. >> it's interesting. shorthand for this trial for some has been the stomy daniels hush money case, but karen mcdougal was the focus yesterday. $150,000 that mr. pecker says he paid. hired her for a job. it was kind of a no-show job as a fitness writer, something like that. how does karen mcdougal factor into this case? how central is she? >> karen mcdougal is not central to the crime itself. remember, again, the manhattan d.a. has charged donald trump with falsification of business records. but what makes it a felony, according to the d.a., is that those business records were falsified with the intent to either commit or conceal a crime. they have now elaborated on that theory. bas
karen mcdougal was doing. in other words, was she sufficiently happy to keep others quiet? when she wasn't, at a point in time after she had sued the "enquirer" and wanted to be released from her non-disclosure agreement, trump was furious to see the interview with anderson cooper. pecker recounted that information, as well, willie. >> it's interesting. shorthand for this trial for some has been the stomy daniels hush money case, but karen mcdougal was the focus yesterday....
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typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had more important things to worry about, having the jury hear the boss again and again and again, a dozen times, doesn't help his case. there was a fascinating moment when the jury saw after trump was elected, trump in the white house with david pecker , at trump's invitation. his dinner, trump put it. and this was the conversation that they had. >> this photograph was entered into evidence today. >> yes. the jury was looking at this photograph when david pecker was narrating, and i have the transept in front of me. did the subject of karen mcdougal, but all? at the time of the dinner, mr. trump asked me to join him, just moving on to the transcript, that how is karen doing, that is what trump said. >> this is after karen has been paid off, he is still wondering
typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had more important things to worry about, having the jury hear the boss again and again and again, a dozen times, doesn't help his case. there was a fascinating moment when the jury saw after trump was...
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pecker also discussed in earlier scheme involving former playboy model karen mcdougal. she alleged having a nearly year long relationship with trump, which the former president denies. pecker told the jury he would not have entered into the deal with mcdougal if it wasn't going to benefit trump's campaign saying, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. trump's attorney, emil beauvais, used his time cross-examining pecker to show how the mutually ben relationship between him and trump went back almost two decades before the 2016 election. he confirmed with pecker that he had been giving trump a heads-up about negative stories during that time, bove as pecker if it was standard operating procedure for media to work with politicians, including sometimes to win elections pecker replied, yes. >> today was breathtaking. this room. he went on, he was breathtaking and amazing testimony. before court, trump commented on pecker's testimony at a stop at a midtown construction site. prosecutors cited his words to the judge on thursday as
pecker also discussed in earlier scheme involving former playboy model karen mcdougal. she alleged having a nearly year long relationship with trump, which the former president denies. pecker told the jury he would not have entered into the deal with mcdougal if it wasn't going to benefit trump's campaign saying, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. trump's attorney, emil beauvais, used his time cross-examining pecker to show how the mutually ben...
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mcdougal, who clayed to have a year-long relationship with trump. aaron katersky at the courthouse. >>> the stunning decision involving disgraced movie mogul harvey weinstein. new york's appellate court overturning his rape conviction. the case that launched the me too movement, now likely headed for a retrial. >>> disturbing images of the police crackdown on campus protests across the u.s. officers tasing a protester at emory university. new pro-palestinian demonstrations breaking out at more schools. usc now canceling its main graduation ceremony, as protesters face a deadline to clear out at columbia. stephanie ramos standing by. >>> authorities investigating the death of a man following a confrontation with police. body camera video showing him struggling with officers after a crash. an officer seen with his knee on the man's back as he screams, "i can't breathe." >>> millions bracing for four days of severe storms from texas to iowa. tornado watches across several states at this hour. rob marciano timing it out. >>> the harrowing landing at l.a
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months later, trump invited pecker to the white house and asked again, "how's karen doing?" pecker recalled responding, "she's doing well. she's quiet." and he described a phone call where top white house officials hope hicks and sarah huckabee sanders encouraged him to keep paying mcdougal. >> mr. trump, do you still like pecker? >> reporter: and then there was stormy daniels, the porn star at the heart of this case. trump charged with falsifying business records to conceal a hush money payment so voters wouldn't learn of their alleged affair. in the final weeks of the campaign, pecker said he told trump's fixer michael cohen daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, "i am not going to get involved with a porn star.
months later, trump invited pecker to the white house and asked again, "how's karen doing?" pecker recalled responding, "she's doing well. she's quiet." and he described a phone call where top white house officials hope hicks and sarah huckabee sanders encouraged him to keep paying mcdougal. >> mr. trump, do you still like pecker? >> reporter: and then there was stormy daniels, the porn star at the heart of this case. trump charged with falsifying business...
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mcdougal's contract it should be extended. >> so just to remind people, karen mcdougal is 1998 playmate of the year, who alleged she had a long term affair and part of the catch and kill was to give her $150,000, david pecker did to have her not tell her story publicly it was not a script pecker said going on to confirm he wasn't surprised by any questions from the prosecutor. that's about the separate issue about whether they're not the defense or the rather the prosecution has coached him. in any case, karen mcdougal had this contract. she was she got $150,000. they bought the rights to her story, including her alleged a with donald trump and then david pecker calls the white house. and so should we, should we extend her contract? pecker said both of them hope and serous anderes said that they thought it was a good idea. >> now those are taxpayer funded employees of ours, of the white house at the time giving recommendation that karen mcdougal's contracts should be extended? >> that's that's pretty interesting. >> i don't think either of them were thinking also about trump's family or
mcdougal's contract it should be extended. >> so just to remind people, karen mcdougal is 1998 playmate of the year, who alleged she had a long term affair and part of the catch and kill was to give her $150,000, david pecker did to have her not tell her story publicly it was not a script pecker said going on to confirm he wasn't surprised by any questions from the prosecutor. that's about the separate issue about whether they're not the defense or the rather the prosecution has coached...
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mcdougal. boy, he really has laid this out how this works, this catch and kill form of journalism that he calls checkbook journalism, paying for these stories to protect donald trump over the years including in the weeks before the 2016 election. how damning from what you're seen just so far with another several days to go from david pecker and some cross examination, how damning has this been to donald trump? >> on a scale of 1 to 10, i would say an 8. pretty damning. strong start for the d.a. they didn't start with an accountant or a records witness, they came out with a big star witness. it's going to rivet a jury. in theory, you want the jury to pay attention the whole time. that would be nice. in practice, juries are made of people, and people slow over time no matter what the project. i think we all know that, and so to get david pecker on the stand day one talking about sex, lies, and videotape, talking about secret back room deals in 2015, talking about how this already somewhat sundry
mcdougal. boy, he really has laid this out how this works, this catch and kill form of journalism that he calls checkbook journalism, paying for these stories to protect donald trump over the years including in the weeks before the 2016 election. how damning from what you're seen just so far with another several days to go from david pecker and some cross examination, how damning has this been to donald trump? >> on a scale of 1 to 10, i would say an 8. pretty damning. strong start for...
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mcdougal and stormy daniels. and i think to this point, the first two days this trial, he is not really reacted to win the jury's is there. we'll see if that changes as the trial moves forward. >> is there a risk for trump that david pecker does in any of these questionings come out and reveal new information about trump's personal life that would be very damaging. >> i think it's more that david pecker could reveal that to the public. and trump is running a presidential campaign. >> i think he would have had to probably told the prosecutors at this point everything he knows for them to now come out with new information. >> don't see that happening in the trial contexts, but he might know so much information about trump's life over multiple years. that is not necessarily related to this particular scheme or the 2016 election, but much more broadly, but that would be objectionable, right? obviously, if new things start to be revealed, that a damaging to trump and not on-point are relevant to the case said offense
mcdougal and stormy daniels. and i think to this point, the first two days this trial, he is not really reacted to win the jury's is there. we'll see if that changes as the trial moves forward. >> is there a risk for trump that david pecker does in any of these questionings come out and reveal new information about trump's personal life that would be very damaging. >> i think it's more that david pecker could reveal that to the public. and trump is running a presidential campaign....
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now he began by introducing them to karen mcdougal, but tomorrow they're really going to get into the heart of that deal and the role of ami, the role of michael cohen, the phone calls around this how that came to be and then move into the stormy daniels, which is at the center of this case and bring the campaign into this even more so, he's expected to be on the stan, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole day when the defense gets there cross-examination going, but he will be for the prosecution's witness to try to continue to establish these catch and kill sphericity and then also the motive for which was to help donald trump's campaign, timmy die. >> what do you see? david pecker is role as this for the prosecution. >> i think for so long we've talked about michael cohen as the narrator. and i think what's so powerful here is that david pecker is really serving as that narrator, but he has the benefit of not having the hostility and credibility excuse it associated michael cohen, but he's really serving the role of taking us from 2015. he's drawing the campaign in. he's talking
now he began by introducing them to karen mcdougal, but tomorrow they're really going to get into the heart of that deal and the role of ami, the role of michael cohen, the phone calls around this how that came to be and then move into the stormy daniels, which is at the center of this case and bring the campaign into this even more so, he's expected to be on the stan, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole day when the defense gets there cross-examination going, but he will be for the...
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mcdougal. but tomorrow they're really going to get into the heart of that deal and the role of ami, the role of michael cohen, the phone calls around this and how that came it to be and then move into the stormy daniels, which is at the center of this case and bring the campaign into this even more so, he's expected to be on the stand, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole de when the defense gets their cross-examination going, but he will be for the prosecution's witness to try to continue to establish these catch and kill conspiracy for and then also the motive for which was to help donald trump's campaign. timmy diet. >> and what do you see? david pecker is role as this for the prosecution. >> i think for so long we've talked about michael cohen as the narrator, and i think what's so powerful here is that david pecker is really serving as that narrator, but he has the benefit of not having the hostility and credibility issues that are associated michael cohen, but he's really serving the
mcdougal. but tomorrow they're really going to get into the heart of that deal and the role of ami, the role of michael cohen, the phone calls around this and how that came it to be and then move into the stormy daniels, which is at the center of this case and bring the campaign into this even more so, he's expected to be on the stand, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole de when the defense gets their cross-examination going, but he will be for the prosecution's witness to try to continue...
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now he began by introducing them to karen mcdougal. but tomorrow they're really going to get into the heart of that deal. and the role of ami, the role of michael cohen, the phone calls around this and how that came to be, and then move into the store let me daniel deal, which is at the center of this case, and bring the campaign into this even more so, he's expected to be on the stand, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole day when the defense gets their cross-examination going, but he will be for the prosecution's witness to try to continue to establish these this catch and kill conspiracy. and then also the motive for which was to help donald trump's campaign. >> it's every day. what do you see? david pecker is role as this for the prosecution. >> i think for so long we've talked about michael cohen as the narrator, and i think what's so powerful here is that david pecker is really serving as that narrator, but he has the benefit of not having the hostility and credibility issues that are associated. michael cohen. >> but he's r
now he began by introducing them to karen mcdougal. but tomorrow they're really going to get into the heart of that deal. and the role of ami, the role of michael cohen, the phone calls around this and how that came to be, and then move into the store let me daniel deal, which is at the center of this case, and bring the campaign into this even more so, he's expected to be on the stand, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole day when the defense gets their cross-examination going, but he...
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he also talk about a conversation on the phone with donald trump when karen mcdougal surfaced. michael has told me about karen, what do you think? we know from david pecker's beginning testimony he talked to trump once he became a candidate at least once a week by phone and saw him in person once a month. what's notable about that, he saw and talked to trump more after he became a candidate than he did before. usually when people run for president of the united states and become a pay jar party nomination they have less time for the other people in their life as they're blanketing the trail. >> the check book journalism that was laid out in full display in the courtroom. definitely when i was growing up, you're younger, going to the grocery store with my mom there was national enquirer, crazy pictures of famous people and crazy stories, is the theme here is that enquirer could move the meter on the way people think, do people see this as journalism, is this surprising to the jury. >> one of the most disturbing parts as a journalist of this case to me, david pecker's description
he also talk about a conversation on the phone with donald trump when karen mcdougal surfaced. michael has told me about karen, what do you think? we know from david pecker's beginning testimony he talked to trump once he became a candidate at least once a week by phone and saw him in person once a month. what's notable about that, he saw and talked to trump more after he became a candidate than he did before. usually when people run for president of the united states and become a pay jar party...
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mcdougal what payment the evidence of karen mcdougal will come into this case because it's relevant as background, but it's not charged as a crime. >> and the reason is the state crime here is falsification of business records. the allegation, as i said before, is that they did that with stormy daniels because it was really a hush payment, but they called it attorney's fees, but they did not do that with karen mcdougal. it was structured separately. it was structured essentially as a catch and kill that was no falsification. they paid her for the story and then they killed it. so the state law doesn't quite apply here on top, which is the point you were making before. yeah, but that with karen mcdougal, there was discussion of the trump trump world giving ami basically back that money. am i didn't do that and that's the next step that did not happen in that case. it makes it different from what and rudy giuliani is on television in 2018 saying that michael cohen wasn't doing legal work for donald trump when he was paid that amount of money. it's higher than the $130,000. it's closer
mcdougal what payment the evidence of karen mcdougal will come into this case because it's relevant as background, but it's not charged as a crime. >> and the reason is the state crime here is falsification of business records. the allegation, as i said before, is that they did that with stormy daniels because it was really a hush payment, but they called it attorney's fees, but they did not do that with karen mcdougal. it was structured separately. it was structured essentially as a...
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karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charging documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes. next. david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump world i'm curious as to why that happened. so this is the opening salvo, but there's more to counter. >> so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraph of testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here and i think two things jump out at me from that transcript. one, this is a full nine alarm fire in trump world and in the national acquire in pecker's environment, they are, i mean, they're pulling each other out of meetings borderline panicking. the other thing is that establishes a really important chain of communication because this is one of the rare instances. there's a few where david pecker has direct contact with donald trump. most of its with michael cohen and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael co
karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charging documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes. next. david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump world i'm curious as to why that happened. so this is the opening salvo, but there's more to counter. >> so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraph of testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here and i think two things jump...
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mcdougal to cover up her own story. according to testimony, one of his with the understanding that she wanted somebody to purchase the affair. he contacted michael cohen and insisted on communication through an encrypted app. increasingly agitated as the editor first to that mcdougall's story with single quote, he kept on calling and each time he called he seemed more anxious adding, quote, i assumed he had the conversation esther trump and mr. trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her story and her silence but, here's the asterisk, which is great, trump was supposed to repa
mcdougal to cover up her own story. according to testimony, one of his with the understanding that she wanted somebody to purchase the affair. he contacted michael cohen and insisted on communication through an encrypted app. increasingly agitated as the editor first to that mcdougall's story with single quote, he kept on calling and each time he called he seemed more anxious adding, quote, i assumed he had the conversation esther trump and mr. trump was asking michael cohen did we hear...
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mcdougal. i would say for the defense, it looks like the one time that david isn't willing to make up stories to protect donald trump is when he is testifying under penalty of perjury and that's what happened today. he basically put the knife into trump. he is saying trump and i had this deal. and it is chronological. it describes not just what he talked about yesterday. checkbook journalism. basically, that the national inquirer had become an appendage of the trump campaign. and they were making up stories about ted cruz and morphing images and all sorts of stuff. and our campaign finance laws are written to ensure transparency. so that if you are getting some sort of gift whether it is dollars or a donation, that is disclosed to the voters so they can make up their mind. and what this entire steam was start to finish was a way for donald trump to get a bunch of benefits from a journalistic organization without disclosing that to the american people. >> was there a way to read the jury and how
mcdougal. i would say for the defense, it looks like the one time that david isn't willing to make up stories to protect donald trump is when he is testifying under penalty of perjury and that's what happened today. he basically put the knife into trump. he is saying trump and i had this deal. and it is chronological. it describes not just what he talked about yesterday. checkbook journalism. basically, that the national inquirer had become an appendage of the trump campaign. and they were...
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karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charges jeong documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes next david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump wod and i'm curis as to why that happened. so ts is the opening salvo, but there's more to come. >> so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraphf testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here. i think two things jump out at mfrom the transcriptone,his is a full nine alarm fire in trump wld & in the national enquirer in pecker'environment, they are i mean, they're pulling each other out of meetings. borderline panicking. the other thing is that a establishes a really important chain of communication because this is one of the rare instances. there's a few were david pecker has direct contact with donald trump. most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly act
karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charges jeong documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes next david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump wod and i'm curis as to why that happened. so ts is the opening salvo, but there's more to come. >> so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraphf testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here. i think two things jump out at...
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one of them involving a former "playboy" model karen mcdougal who claimed she had a year-long affair with trump. a claim trump denied. but her story was bought and never printed. abc's senior investigative reporter aaron katersky at the courthouse again tonight. >> reporter: today, as donald trump listened intently, the former publisher of "the national enquirer," for the first time laying out the extraordinary relationship between candidate trump and the sordid supermarket tabloid, describing what he called the confidential arrangement he made with trump and trump's former fixer, michael cohen, to protect trump during the 2016 campaign. david pecker grinning widely as he pointed out trump in the courtroom, the former president smirking back. the two men had been friends for years. but pecker told the jury their relationship changed in 2015, after trump launched his run for president. pecker was summoned to trump tower that august and in a 20-minute meeting he said trump and cohen "asked me, what can i do and what my magazines can do to help the campaign." pecker testified he pledged
one of them involving a former "playboy" model karen mcdougal who claimed she had a year-long affair with trump. a claim trump denied. but her story was bought and never printed. abc's senior investigative reporter aaron katersky at the courthouse again tonight. >> reporter: today, as donald trump listened intently, the former publisher of "the national enquirer," for the first time laying out the extraordinary relationship between candidate trump and the sordid...
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karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charging documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes. next david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump world and i'm curious as to why that happened. so this is the opening salvo, but there's more to counter. so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraph of testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here and i think two things jump out at me from the transcript. one, this is a full nine alarm fire in trump world and in the national acquire in pecker's environment, they are i mean, they're pulling each other out of meetings. they're borderline panicked okay. the other thing is that establishes a really important chain of communication because this is one of the rare instances. there's a few were david pecker has direct contact with donald trump. most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that
karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charging documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes. next david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump world and i'm curious as to why that happened. so this is the opening salvo, but there's more to counter. so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraph of testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here and i think two things jump out at...
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that august, 2015 meeting that you talked about and the phone call during 2016 about karen mcdougal having been vetted and what trump wanted to know about the conversation. i to assume there are a lot more conversations and the prosecution is going to elicit testimony about them in the ensuing days. >> i thought the most relevant thing to watch was the ongoing dichotomy going on inside the courtroom and outside the courtroom. i think it came into relief really at the beginning of the day when there was a hearing about whether donald trump would be held in contempt for some of the things he said on truth social about witnesses and even about a juror. todd blanche, the guy that i profiled in this story, got up and said that a client has a right to talk about the two systems of justice that have been shown in the courtroom and i think this is something that we will see a lot. donald trump if he can win an acquittal or a mistrial, that's great for him, but he is running against the system. >> a follow-up on that, we will talk about this in a second in greater detail, but he says he is doing hi
that august, 2015 meeting that you talked about and the phone call during 2016 about karen mcdougal having been vetted and what trump wanted to know about the conversation. i to assume there are a lot more conversations and the prosecution is going to elicit testimony about them in the ensuing days. >> i thought the most relevant thing to watch was the ongoing dichotomy going on inside the courtroom and outside the courtroom. i think it came into relief really at the beginning of the day...
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but the mcdougal testimony that seemed to really get to him that it karen obviously, while this case is about payments made at for silence to stormy daniels and whether that that was a felony count in an election law karen mcdougal is very relevant to the story because she is a person who has a detailed, extensive affair. she says she had with the former president and david pecker and the national enquirer was obviously involved in getting rid of that one as well. >> yeah. i mean, the prosecution is painting this entire scheme as a criminal conspiracy. this is conspiracy between david pecker, donald trump, and michael cohen. and that they all got together conspiracy requires two or more people to get together, have an agreement and the agreement is to do something unlawful. and what they're saying is what they were doing that was unlawful, was they were unlawfully trying to influence the election. so this is all part of the scheme. the criminal scheme, and they have set up that there was a meeting where this was explicitly discussed, right. so even though this was a matter of as you'
but the mcdougal testimony that seemed to really get to him that it karen obviously, while this case is about payments made at for silence to stormy daniels and whether that that was a felony count in an election law karen mcdougal is very relevant to the story because she is a person who has a detailed, extensive affair. she says she had with the former president and david pecker and the national enquirer was obviously involved in getting rid of that one as well. >> yeah. i mean, the...
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the story of karen mcdougall, who claims to have had a year-long affair with trump, which he denies. when he learned mcdougall was trying to sell her story in june 2016, pecker said he immediately called cohen. he said he and cohen were already talking a couple times a week, but after pecker brought up mcdougall, their calls became a lot more frequent. michael was very agitated, he told the jury. it looked like he was getting a lot of pressure. he kept on calling, and each time, he seemed more anxious. pecker said he assumed trump was asking cohen, did we hear anything yet? he told trump to buy the rights to mcguy dal's story, trump's response, i don't buy stories. when you do anything like this, i always gets out. ultimately, pecker's company paid karen mcdougall $150,000 for the rights of her stories, but never published it. pecker's testimony resumes thursday. trump today complaining he's stuck in court while president biden is out on the campaign trail. >> they're keeping me in a courtroom, that's freezing, by the way, he's out campaigning and i'm here in a courtroom sitting here
the story of karen mcdougall, who claims to have had a year-long affair with trump, which he denies. when he learned mcdougall was trying to sell her story in june 2016, pecker said he immediately called cohen. he said he and cohen were already talking a couple times a week, but after pecker brought up mcdougall, their calls became a lot more frequent. michael was very agitated, he told the jury. it looked like he was getting a lot of pressure. he kept on calling, and each time, he seemed more...
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so when he is back on this in on thursday, he will then begin to describe the karen mcdougal deal we got just the beginning of this today where they learned about her allegation of a romantic relationship with trump, and they're figuring out what to do with it. when he left us 20 today was that he was being called frequently by a by michael cohen who wanted to know where things stood. so that will pick up on thursday, understanding how this deal ended up being one of these caching kills were ami paid $150,000 start to go away and then shifting into the stormy daniels payment that is at the heart of this case. and what that transfer and how am i found out about it and how it ultimately led to michael cohen being the one to pay the $130,000 that then prosecutor peter say trump reimbursed in width so that we'll get to the key elements of this case when pecker is back on the stand on thursday. >> all right. kara scannell outside the courthouse in manhattan. thanks so much for joining us. sounded discuss is jeremy saland, a former prosecutor with manhattan district attorney, as well as tr
so when he is back on this in on thursday, he will then begin to describe the karen mcdougal deal we got just the beginning of this today where they learned about her allegation of a romantic relationship with trump, and they're figuring out what to do with it. when he left us 20 today was that he was being called frequently by a by michael cohen who wanted to know where things stood. so that will pick up on thursday, understanding how this deal ended up being one of these caching kills were...
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and that the money that was being used, whether it was for paying off the doorman or karen mcdougal or stormy daniels, which is the heart of the case, are all according to the d.a., election -- forms of election campaign fraud and part of that conspiracy. that is an element that makes the false business records a felony and not just a misdemeanor. but to your point, the bad journalist practice, if you step back and think about the big picture that's being presented to us, this case just like the fox and dominion civil case, is a form of this country really not adhering to its principles with respect to the role of the fourth estate. it's much closer to what you expect in countries like russia and authoritarian regimes. the idea that the media is in cahoots with a member of one party to get that person elected is simply not how this country operates or is supposed to operate. and we now have seen this both with respect to the testimony today from the "national enquirer," but we also saw it with respect to fox news and dominion, that sort of fundamental principle of how the fourth estate
and that the money that was being used, whether it was for paying off the doorman or karen mcdougal or stormy daniels, which is the heart of the case, are all according to the d.a., election -- forms of election campaign fraud and part of that conspiracy. that is an element that makes the false business records a felony and not just a misdemeanor. but to your point, the bad journalist practice, if you step back and think about the big picture that's being presented to us, this case just like...
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mcdougal, and others had to say about their liaison with mr. trump. that set off a string of events. payments to michael cohen as retainers, when it was a passthrough to get money to these women to keep them quiet. so in the context of a trial, and i think context matters, you want to tell a jury why it happened. you don't have to prove motive, but if you can prove motive, it makes it a much more powerful case. look, to your question about whether or not this is risky, trials are always risky. government has a huge burden. they have to prove their case by proof beyond a reasonable doubt to a unanimous jury. there's always some risk. but if you can explain why things happen and tell it in a chronological fashion, i actually think that makes a more compelling story for a jury. one that is easier for them to latch onto and to follow. >> lisa, to that point, we've said in the leadup to this trial that this is, of course, a hush money case, but it is also an election interference case. that's not really what the prosecution is arguing, is it? in fac
mcdougal, and others had to say about their liaison with mr. trump. that set off a string of events. payments to michael cohen as retainers, when it was a passthrough to get money to these women to keep them quiet. so in the context of a trial, and i think context matters, you want to tell a jury why it happened. you don't have to prove motive, but if you can prove motive, it makes it a much more powerful case. look, to your question about whether or not this is risky, trials are always risky....
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mcdougal& a lot of other stories as a result of that that's really fascinating what you just laid out about the psychology of the supermarket. i think we can all relate when you walk, you do see the same thing or the lack of the same thing. what that does to our psyche, whatever you think about a story. let's do thank you very much. i appreciate it. i'm so glad to talk to you well, thank you for having erin and i just want to say one thing as we celebrate passover tonight, i want to make sure everyone knows we are keeping the hostages from hamas in our hearts. >> and hope that they are safe. >> all right, let's do thank you very much. next russian state television going all in on what unquote moscow marjorie thank praise on the republican congresswoman for siding with putin. >> let's trump ignoring questions today about where his wife, melania is. >> as she reportedly cause the trial. a quote, disgrace one of trump's former chief of staff will be out for victims of mesothelioma and their families may be entitled to receive a cash award from the estimated $30 billion and asbestos trust
mcdougal& a lot of other stories as a result of that that's really fascinating what you just laid out about the psychology of the supermarket. i think we can all relate when you walk, you do see the same thing or the lack of the same thing. what that does to our psyche, whatever you think about a story. let's do thank you very much. i appreciate it. i'm so glad to talk to you well, thank you for having erin and i just want to say one thing as we celebrate passover tonight, i want to make...
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mcdougal the one alleged affair with alleged affair. the other was adore man who alleged falsely the trump was the father of a child. and the third, of course, with stormy daniels, who is the basis for the charges in the case. and david is the key figure in all three of these who basically controlled the money, or at least for two of them he controlled the money for how these stories we're going to be suppressed. and that, that's what that's what colangelo's talked about in the opening statements, and that's what cracker began to testify in his testimony today. and qarrah white is the suppression of these stories matter? >> because at the time hi and what they were trying to do in the opening statement and what they're going to try to do through the witnesses is take the jury back to 2015 and 2016 when none of this information was out in the open and the access hollywood tape had just come out and the campaign very much did not want these negative stories. trump was not the candidate that he is today with the popularity that he has now,
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david is company made to buy the rights to former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged affair with trump years earlier. >> ronen spoke to mcdougal in detail, the allergen patients and the scheme to kill her story tomorrow when the trial resumes, ronan's reporting will be a key piece of evidence. >> i i spoke to mcdougal in 2018, and the only tv interviewed she'd done about her relationship with trump. here's what she told me once donald trump won the republican nomination, right? kites, you're saying ami suddenly came back to you with interests to keith? yes. to us for the story. yeah. >> what do you think it was that it was after donald trump was the republican nominee that they came back they wanted to squash story you're saying they wanted to protect donald trump i'm assuming so. yeah. >> if donald trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami knowing what you know now, probably not know how for not you're pretty you're convinced now this was an effort to do a favor for donald trump in the last few months of the presi
david is company made to buy the rights to former playboy model karen mcdougal story about an alleged affair with trump years earlier. >> ronen spoke to mcdougal in detail, the allergen patients and the scheme to kill her story tomorrow when the trial resumes, ronan's reporting will be a key piece of evidence. >> i i spoke to mcdougal in 2018, and the only tv interviewed she'd done about her relationship with trump. here's what she told me once donald trump won the republican...
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yes, karen mcdougal is a big part of this. she's not charged here in large part because the conduct she alleges false outside of the statute of limitations but this is going to be a big part of the story that's shows there is a whole range of conduct that this particular candidate and those around him were invested in keeping from everyone else. >> andrew, it is karen mcdougal who, in january after the election, they decide, you know what, we don't have to hold her to the nondisclosure anymore because we after the election, which is such a key element in incentives here. >> what the state needs to make sure the jury does not sort of go off on is that this was just a schema with respect to melania trump. that is the john edwards defense. they need to say this isn't just some personal thing, this is about the campaign. the fact of what he does afterwards. apparently, david is going to say into that and 17, he meets with donald trump, who thanks him for helping him win the campaign and win the election. >> that is all in the open
yes, karen mcdougal is a big part of this. she's not charged here in large part because the conduct she alleges false outside of the statute of limitations but this is going to be a big part of the story that's shows there is a whole range of conduct that this particular candidate and those around him were invested in keeping from everyone else. >> andrew, it is karen mcdougal who, in january after the election, they decide, you know what, we don't have to hold her to the nondisclosure...
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the transaction around karen mcdougal, this other affair at a certain point, it started to become the parent to the people inside the national enquirer that there was too much much heat around this. there was too much risk, and i think that's why you see the stormy daniels transaction looking so different through colon and there was a report that the $3,130,000 was too much and sort of pass it onto cohen. >> it started to get both overly expensive and risky looking risky specifically in the sense that might ultimately have the potential to put people in legal jeopardy. >> what else do you think i mean, what's the most important thing you think will be used for on the stand tomorrow. >> i think speaking to that meeting. and what was said in that meeting and pushing back on what we already heard in the opening stages. today from the trump defense team, which is, hey, this is just a guy trying to protect his personal life, trying to protect his marriage by saying no, there was a meeting that catalyze this in which it was explicitly said this is about helping donald trump during the elect
the transaction around karen mcdougal, this other affair at a certain point, it started to become the parent to the people inside the national enquirer that there was too much much heat around this. there was too much risk, and i think that's why you see the stormy daniels transaction looking so different through colon and there was a report that the $3,130,000 was too much and sort of pass it onto cohen. >> it started to get both overly expensive and risky looking risky specifically in...
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and then as things went on, when the karen mcdougal google situation came up, for example, i'm expecting to hear about more conversations about the catch and kill with that, of course, was stormy daniels ami ultimately didn't pay for that. but i think the original plan was that they would and so i expect that so he's going to take us from the beginning, i think all the way up to the stormy daniels situation, which is one why i think it was a good idea to put them first. he sets the stage for what ultimately happens with the daniels payoff. >> so bill, you have represented trump before. what did you make the defense's strategy today when defense attorney todd blanche said, quote, there's nothing wrong with trying to influence an election. it's called democracy, as well as quote, trump fought back to protect his family his reputation and his brand. that is not a crime unquote i think a low jake, thanks for having i think todd's right about that. >> i mean there is the conundrum in this case. you've got some publisher of a magazine. it's headlines are typically elvis raising alien baby on m
and then as things went on, when the karen mcdougal google situation came up, for example, i'm expecting to hear about more conversations about the catch and kill with that, of course, was stormy daniels ami ultimately didn't pay for that. but i think the original plan was that they would and so i expect that so he's going to take us from the beginning, i think all the way up to the stormy daniels situation, which is one why i think it was a good idea to put them first. he sets the stage for...
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karen mcdougal is expected to testify, and the doorman they'll be hearing about who apparently had some information about donald trump that was false, but they paid him off, too. this is going to make it harder for donald trump to say, i know nothing, the whole sergeant schultz defense. you're part of the scheme. there's even a recording that michael cohen took secretly that shows trump knew about this, was part of this. it's not just some rogue accountant who did the falsification of business records, all part of this scheme that lasted a while and started way before stormy daniels. >> it's so interesting. amanda carpenter, there's so much going on in this trial, so much that's going to come out, lewd and lascivious behavior, details that perhaps donald trump would prefer not out there or not having to sit and listen to quietly in a chair in a courtroom. but beyond that, latisha james saying the money he posted in his fraught trial is no good. then you have i think this thursday oral arguments beginning, the supreme court taking up the immunity case with donald trump, and liz cheney pu
karen mcdougal is expected to testify, and the doorman they'll be hearing about who apparently had some information about donald trump that was false, but they paid him off, too. this is going to make it harder for donald trump to say, i know nothing, the whole sergeant schultz defense. you're part of the scheme. there's even a recording that michael cohen took secretly that shows trump knew about this, was part of this. it's not just some rogue accountant who did the falsification of business...
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mcdougal purchased the rights of the story bury it, makes sure that the voters would never do it. >> i think one of the most incredible things about this is that donald trump has to be in court his standing as a former president is not getting them out of that. so what do we expect in terms of timeline and how much trump is going to have to be in court. >> so four days a week, i think they have brakes on wednesdays so donald trump is required to be there, like you said, this is how it goes for anybody who is standing trial on a criminal charge in this respect, trump is just like any other citizen. that means he won't be on the campaign trail and they are expecting this to last perhaps six weeks that gets us through april through may into june. >> and he has been complaining about the fact that while president biden gets to be out on the campaign, campaign trail, he will not be there. he will be stuck in that courtroom. marshall cohen, we know you will be following every twist and turn in this trial. thank you so much for joining us. of course, you in just a little bit. let's talk mor
mcdougal purchased the rights of the story bury it, makes sure that the voters would never do it. >> i think one of the most incredible things about this is that donald trump has to be in court his standing as a former president is not getting them out of that. so what do we expect in terms of timeline and how much trump is going to have to be in court. >> so four days a week, i think they have brakes on wednesdays so donald trump is required to be there, like you said, this is how...
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mc mcdougal, will be able to testify. trump denies both encounters. with mainly sketches from the courthouse and reports by journalists, the former president has a shaped the narrative by frequently addressing the media mob. >> i should be right now in pennsylvania, in florida, in many other states, north carolina, georgia campaigning. this is all coming from the biden white house because they can't put two sentences together. howard: but the former president also discussed the indictment which says he reimbursed his former lawyer, michael cohen, for the $130,000 passed to stormy daniels, and that could be used against him. >> i was paying a lawyer and mark if it down as a legal expense, some accountant i didn't know marked it down as a legal expense. that's exactly what it was. and you get indicted over that? howard: after one day-long session, trump campaigned at a harlem bodega, the scene of a terrible crime. >> alvin bragg does nothing. he goes after guys like trump who 40 did nothing wrong. howard: some shows actuall
mc mcdougal, will be able to testify. trump denies both encounters. with mainly sketches from the courthouse and reports by journalists, the former president has a shaped the narrative by frequently addressing the media mob. >> i should be right now in pennsylvania, in florida, in many other states, north carolina, georgia campaigning. this is all coming from the biden white house because they can't put two sentences together. howard: but the former president also discussed the indictment...