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but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she didn't give prosecutors some of the admissions they wanted. they were trying to establish trump had a business reason to have stormy in his rolodex, in particular, he was looking at her as a plausible candidate for the celebrity apprentice. she wouldn't necessarily go there. she said yeah, i have a vague recollection based on some office chatter that she was talked about as an interesting candidate. but never did she say i heard it directly from trump. i overheard trump talking about her. rather, she saw her once in the reception area of the business offices at
but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she...
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after they left, trump asked about the karen mcdougal situation and thanked him for it. comey spoke out about all this. take a listen. >> i was alone with the president of the united states. or the president-elect, soon to be president. i was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting so i thought it really important to document. >> he did document that meeting. it was one of the many things he told congress and later investigators about. what we're learning here and what's so striking because you never know what you're going to learn at trial, nobody knew comey would come back up, is how in that one meeting there were allegedly at least two different violations, one federal that comey was talking about and then the reason it got brought up here, because the then president elect was also talking up his tabloid deal that's now at the center of a trial over whether or not he broke campaign finance laws. you can see on the screen other people in the room. so a lot that we're learning and this is just the first week of testimony. we'll be right back. to
after they left, trump asked about the karen mcdougal situation and thanked him for it. comey spoke out about all this. take a listen. >> i was alone with the president of the united states. or the president-elect, soon to be president. i was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting so i thought it really important to document. >> he did document that meeting. it was one of the many things he told congress and later investigators about. what we're learning...
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who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution has put in a few things about he's a challenging kind of client for that bank guy. pecker thinks he exaggerates. so the jury, i'm sure, is very curious to see this guy. and i think the da's main task, they have laid the tracks well, but they know that cohen is coming. their main task is between hicks, between pecker, and then the paperwork is to corroborate every single hole so at the end of the day, they can get up and say, look, michael cohen, first of all, you can believe him for these reasons, but even if you don't, every single piece. but i bet bac
who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution...
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karen mcdougal not only physical addresses but also phone numbers, and then a cell phone number for, quote, stormy. and this is the most significant here is that she said that she had, quote, vague recollection that stormy daniels who she knew was an adult film star, she has a, quote, vague recollection about her appearing at one point before the 2016 elections inside of the trump tower offices. what exactly does that mean? it is not clear. but she is currently answering questions here from the prosecution she is also confirming contacts that she was the assistant to donald trump, somebody who just almost always with him at trump tower was able to confirm the records that she was keeping on his behalf as well as documents. already they are having her verify e-mails between her and the executive assistant in 2017 to donald trump at the white house helping her essentially transition with somebody to serving in the formal capacity inside the white house. this is notable that she is confirming that she did keep documents and phone numbers as well as an address for karen mcdougal and phon
karen mcdougal not only physical addresses but also phone numbers, and then a cell phone number for, quote, stormy. and this is the most significant here is that she said that she had, quote, vague recollection that stormy daniels who she knew was an adult film star, she has a, quote, vague recollection about her appearing at one point before the 2016 elections inside of the trump tower offices. what exactly does that mean? it is not clear. but she is currently answering questions here from the...
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but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to start with you because you're a defense attorney and you're new to this table. it's a challenge, right, no matter how many times the defense keeps going back and back and back to david pecker, trying to show this wasn't about the campaign, which is what you did, this is standard operating procedure, they said that over and over and over again yesterday. let me give you one of the later pieces of back and forth, and this is steinglass trying to, again, disprove that bove had just done, the defense attorney. how many, meaning of these stories, did you coordinate with a presidential candidate for the benefit o
but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to...
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that the real intent of it was to buy karen mcdougal's silence. that is really important because this trial will come down to was there a crime concealed, and that's what we're all looking for, and they were trying to say, well, hang on, that wasn't a crime what happened, she did some stuff, and she got paid. i thought that, to me, was really important and on redirect, the government's lawyers came back in and kept asking pecker about it, and he kept saying over and over, sure, she did some stuff, but the real purpose of that was to silence her, and in fact, he ended up paying a fine to the federal election commission for that payment for -- because a corporation got involved in an election when they shouldn't have. >> one point when bove, kristy greenberg, was really it seemed again -- i'm reading the document. that's why i'm asking you folks who were actually in there, when bove was talking to pecker and challenging his interpretation of some of the things that happened, it ended essentially with pecker saying, you know, i'm trying to tell the t
that the real intent of it was to buy karen mcdougal's silence. that is really important because this trial will come down to was there a crime concealed, and that's what we're all looking for, and they were trying to say, well, hang on, that wasn't a crime what happened, she did some stuff, and she got paid. i thought that, to me, was really important and on redirect, the government's lawyers came back in and kept asking pecker about it, and he kept saying over and over, sure, she did some...
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pecker, that your purpose in lob -- locking up the karen mcdougal story is to influence the election? that's trying to bring it back to the connection to the elections since during cross-examination he was certainly acknowledging he had a longstanding relationship with the tabloid and that there were years and years before the campaign when they were both promoting trump's interests and covering up embarrassing stories. >> the prosecution has to do everything that he can to bring it back to -- it makes this case a felony, that donald trump conspired to promote his election by unlawful means. if they allow the defense to create reasonable doubt in that one juror, this was business as usual, this is what donald trump did with pecker, even before the election, this is what they do, where is the illegalness in this? the prosecution -- this is the first witness. we have a long way to go. in their summation, the prosecutors have to connect all the dots and explain to this jury why they have proven that donald trump concealed a crime when he falsified the business records. if they don't prov
pecker, that your purpose in lob -- locking up the karen mcdougal story is to influence the election? that's trying to bring it back to the connection to the elections since during cross-examination he was certainly acknowledging he had a longstanding relationship with the tabloid and that there were years and years before the campaign when they were both promoting trump's interests and covering up embarrassing stories. >> the prosecution has to do everything that he can to bring it back...
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>> that david pecker was killed in the catch and kill stories including karen mcdougal and other catch and kill stories, that he was at meetings when these were discussed, but when it came to stormy daniels, he backed out, for a reason that actually was, you know, really silly in that he was never reimbursed or never paid back and he didn't want to get involved with a porn star according to his own testimony because of contracts he had with walmart. that's why the people are calling him. what the defense is trying to do in cross examination is create separation. okay, there may have been this karen mcdougal arrangement there may have been this 2015 meeting, there may have been this catch and kill with a doorman, but you were not involved in the whole stormy daniels saga, so therefore you don't have valuable information about that. look, there are not a lot of options for cross examination. i've been thinking about it entirely during his direct testimony. where would the defense go? and they can only go to the classics, his ability to remember, his moative in that he has an agreement or
>> that david pecker was killed in the catch and kill stories including karen mcdougal and other catch and kill stories, that he was at meetings when these were discussed, but when it came to stormy daniels, he backed out, for a reason that actually was, you know, really silly in that he was never reimbursed or never paid back and he didn't want to get involved with a porn star according to his own testimony because of contracts he had with walmart. that's why the people are calling him....
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vaughn, trump's lawyer has been asking pecker about his negotiations with karen mcdougal. what are they getting at? >> reporter: this is all part of the effort here from the defense team to make the case to the jury that this was a long-standing practice on the part of the "national enquirer" to buy up stories and workshop them, make sure to see whether they were true or not, but also to put out other negative stories about other celebrities or politicians medical record to help boost sales because they are a company that is trying to drive publications sales and make money, and when it comes specifically to karen mcdougal, there is an exchange here where emil bove, donald trump's attorney asks her, quote, when you first learned about this, you understand ms. mcdougal did not want to publish. what she wanted was to restart her career, and ami could help her, to which david pecker responded, yes. what they are trying to lay out is that david pecker was not initially engaging with karen mcdougal in an effort to, you know, keep her from going public because she never intended
vaughn, trump's lawyer has been asking pecker about his negotiations with karen mcdougal. what are they getting at? >> reporter: this is all part of the effort here from the defense team to make the case to the jury that this was a long-standing practice on the part of the "national enquirer" to buy up stories and workshop them, make sure to see whether they were true or not, but also to put out other negative stories about other celebrities or politicians medical record to help...
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karen mcdougal was doing. in other words, was she sufficiently happy to keep others quiet? when she wasn't, at a point in time after she had sued the "enquirer" and wanted to be released from her non-disclosure agreement, trump was furious to see the interview with anderson cooper. pecker recounted that information, as well, willie. >> it's interesting. shorthand for this trial for some has been the stomy daniels hush money case, but karen mcdougal was the focus yesterday. $150,000 that mr. pecker says he paid. hired her for a job. it was kind of a no-show job as a fitness writer, something like that. how does karen mcdougal factor into this case? how central is she? >> karen mcdougal is not central to the crime itself. remember, again, the manhattan d.a. has charged donald trump with falsification of business records. but what makes it a felony, according to the d.a., is that those business records were falsified with the intent to either commit or conceal a crime. they have now elaborated on that theory. bas
karen mcdougal was doing. in other words, was she sufficiently happy to keep others quiet? when she wasn't, at a point in time after she had sued the "enquirer" and wanted to be released from her non-disclosure agreement, trump was furious to see the interview with anderson cooper. pecker recounted that information, as well, willie. >> it's interesting. shorthand for this trial for some has been the stomy daniels hush money case, but karen mcdougal was the focus yesterday....
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mcdougal $150,000 for her story claiming she had an affair with trump. pecker said he told former trump attorney michael cohen to buy the stormy daniels story himself to prevent daniels from going public with her claim. additionally pecker said his conversations with cohen included asking trump to pay cohen back at cohen's request. trump has denied any sexual encounters with daniels or mcdougal. danny, we mention how it appears the defense here is trying to lay this groundwork any dealings trump had with pecker were meant to protect trump as a person -- again, we're talking personal not official capacities. but why is that so important here? >> the cross-examination yesterday started off in a very predictable direction. number one, attack the witness's memory. number two, he's essentially a cooperating witness so go into the deal he made with federal and state prosecutors. yes, specific to these facts, what the defense is trying to develop is that this is the kind of thing that pecker, ami, cohen, that they were doing for a long time. this relationship,
mcdougal $150,000 for her story claiming she had an affair with trump. pecker said he told former trump attorney michael cohen to buy the stormy daniels story himself to prevent daniels from going public with her claim. additionally pecker said his conversations with cohen included asking trump to pay cohen back at cohen's request. trump has denied any sexual encounters with daniels or mcdougal. danny, we mention how it appears the defense here is trying to lay this groundwork any dealings...
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we paid $150,000 to karen mcdougal, i am not a bank. we're not epeeing out any further dispersements. pecker testified he ultimately suggested trump himself should be the one to pay for the third catch and kill payment on trump's behalf, the one for stormy daniels. that gets us to the most important part of david pecker's testimony, which is why trump was so concerned about keeping these negative stories about himself quiet. this is important because paying someone hush money, paying someone to not say a distasteful thing about you is not a crime. prosecutors are alleging that the hush money payments in this case were used to influence the election. they were an illegal contribution to trump's campaign, and then they say trump covered up the payments by creating false records to make them look like legal fees. again, from our reporters notes today, steinglass, prosecutor, did you ever have any intention of printing karen mcdougal's story about mr. trump. pecker, no we did not. steinglass, was your purpose to influence the election? >> y
we paid $150,000 to karen mcdougal, i am not a bank. we're not epeeing out any further dispersements. pecker testified he ultimately suggested trump himself should be the one to pay for the third catch and kill payment on trump's behalf, the one for stormy daniels. that gets us to the most important part of david pecker's testimony, which is why trump was so concerned about keeping these negative stories about himself quiet. this is important because paying someone hush money, paying someone to...
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mcdougal, to keep her affair with trump quiet. packer said he coordinated with colin, because they concerned -- worried that paying mcdougall could violate campaign finance laws so they worked out a deal, adding that he believed trump was aware of the payment. the prosecution asked david pecker, was a principal purpose to suppress your story so as not to influence the election? transition responded "yes it was." >> with peter baker, mike joseph stern, and joyce vance with us. let's start with the fact that the day began before david pecker got back on the stand with the manhattan d.a.s office saying that there are four alleged violations, brand-new ones, of the expanded gag order that judge merchan is setting a hearing on for next thursday. we don't have a ruling from the first motion for contempt, so what's the delay from judge merchan? we have four new violations now. >> we do. we have ongoing violations and the issue that the judge faces is either this gag order has teeth and he will enforce it, or it does not in which case, do
mcdougal, to keep her affair with trump quiet. packer said he coordinated with colin, because they concerned -- worried that paying mcdougall could violate campaign finance laws so they worked out a deal, adding that he believed trump was aware of the payment. the prosecution asked david pecker, was a principal purpose to suppress your story so as not to influence the election? transition responded "yes it was." >> with peter baker, mike joseph stern, and joyce vance with us....
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did that apply to karen mcdougal as well? yes. did he ever say he was currently -- concerned about his family? no." lisa rubin was in the courtroom, today. we don't have a proper transcript yet so we are piecing this together. the way that we cut and paste that together, is that true to what it felt like in courtroom proceedings today? >> it was to what it felt like but there were also a number of other explosive moments and to my mind, the biggest thing was david admission that he understood the payment to karen mcdougal was an unlawful campaign contribution and he understood that in real time, not after the fact. how? his own entanglement with arnold schwarzenegger, who was then going to be running for governor of california. he had a catch and kill scheme of his own with arnold schwarzenegger, who had been on the cover of two magazines that david pecker was acquiring, 70 or 80 times. the owner of this magazines said before we close these deals, you have to talk to arnold. arnold said, i'm a big deal with these magazines and i w
did that apply to karen mcdougal as well? yes. did he ever say he was currently -- concerned about his family? no." lisa rubin was in the courtroom, today. we don't have a proper transcript yet so we are piecing this together. the way that we cut and paste that together, is that true to what it felt like in courtroom proceedings today? >> it was to what it felt like but there were also a number of other explosive moments and to my mind, the biggest thing was david admission that he...
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mcdougal and he never got reimbursed. never got paid back by donald trump, even though it was for his benefit and the benefit of the campaign. but then at the end, david pecker has to say i have no hard feelings for mr. trump. i thought he was my mentor. i felt like , peter, david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps on grafting and he completely dupes his followers. but then they sit there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial so far has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, you know, it reminds me of a story i was told once by a new yorker his parents work for donald trump as contractors. we all know that donald trump is not always very good about paying the contractors. i said this person, did he pay your parents? he said no, he didn't. discussed that i had to sue him to get their money. i said okay. he said well, i got $.50 on the dollar back. but you know what? they voted for trump. i said why would th
mcdougal and he never got reimbursed. never got paid back by donald trump, even though it was for his benefit and the benefit of the campaign. but then at the end, david pecker has to say i have no hard feelings for mr. trump. i thought he was my mentor. i felt like , peter, david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps on grafting and he completely dupes his followers. but then they sit there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial so far has been...
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typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had more important things to worry about, having the jury hear the boss again and again and again, a dozen times, doesn't help his case. there was a fascinating moment when the jury saw after trump was elected, trump in the white house with david pecker , at trump's invitation. his dinner, trump put it. and this was the conversation that they had. >> this photograph was entered into evidence today. >> yes. the jury was looking at this photograph when david pecker was narrating, and i have the transept in front of me. did the subject of karen mcdougal, but all? at the time of the dinner, mr. trump asked me to join him, just moving on to the transcript, that how is karen doing, that is what trump said. >> this is after karen has been paid off, he is still wondering
typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had more important things to worry about, having the jury hear the boss again and again and again, a dozen times, doesn't help his case. there was a fascinating moment when the jury saw after trump was...
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meaning how is karen mcdougal. david pecker said he told trump in response thing for going fine, that she was staying quiet. david pecker says trump asked about her again that summer when he invited david pecker to come to the white house. david pecker says trump asked him, "how is karen doing?" he says he told trump she's quiet, everything is going good. david pecker said that he finally had to put his foot down on any additional payments for trump because trump was not paying him back like he said he would , first for a doorman from a trump party, who made a wild claim about a supposed it trump love child, then for karen mcdougal. again, david pecker expected to be paid back by trump for that payment. trump did not pay him back. this is from a reporter's notes from the trial today. david pecker told his editor, "we already pay $30,000.00 to doorman. we paid $150,000 ever since two karen mcdougal. i am not a bank. we are not paying out any further disbursements . david pecker testified he ultimately suggested trum
meaning how is karen mcdougal. david pecker said he told trump in response thing for going fine, that she was staying quiet. david pecker says trump asked about her again that summer when he invited david pecker to come to the white house. david pecker says trump asked him, "how is karen doing?" he says he told trump she's quiet, everything is going good. david pecker said that he finally had to put his foot down on any additional payments for trump because trump was not paying him...
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mcdougal. >> karen mcdougal and promised he was going to put her on the cover and then he realized he wasn't getting paid back, he was like, i'm not doing anymore. is that the sequence? >> he said on the stand, i'm not a bank. that's kind of almost why we're here, because of the stormy daniels payoff, boss he didn't want to front that money, because he had already fronted up the 30k for the doorman, that catch and kill that we did. and then, he would also have put up the money for karen mcdougal, the 150k. by the time stormy daniels comes on the scene straight off the "access hollywood" tape where the campaign is panicking. they don't want any more sordid details. that transaction is then put back on michael cohen and trump because pecker doesn't want to front any more money. what i found extraordinary today, many extraordinary moments, but one of them and i think this was brilliant by the prosecution, really showing how the deal was structured with karen mcdougal, david pecker knew this was a campaign finance violation. the waythy structured that contract for the fitness columns whic
mcdougal. >> karen mcdougal and promised he was going to put her on the cover and then he realized he wasn't getting paid back, he was like, i'm not doing anymore. is that the sequence? >> he said on the stand, i'm not a bank. that's kind of almost why we're here, because of the stormy daniels payoff, boss he didn't want to front that money, because he had already fronted up the 30k for the doorman, that catch and kill that we did. and then, he would also have put up the money for...
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mcdougal quiet and there was a lunch between karen mcdougal and david pecker and the editor and chief of the "national enquirer" where they were discussing potentially how she could continue to elevate her role within the american media business empire, but while also not talking about donald trump, and so all throughout the first year of donald trump's administration, we as the public did not understand the lengths to which donald trump allegedly was working with michael cohen, with hope hicks, with now sarah huckabee sanders, to try to continue to keep the full story of these individuals alleged affairs and the alleged hush money payment to keep them silent before the 2016 election from the public not only in 2016 but 2017 and using the white house in 2018 as well. >> what's amazing, i hear that there is some activity behind you, vaughn, just look around to make sure you're still safe -- the talking about maybe this is just a trigger, a former white house staffer, but all of the invoking west wing communication staffers at the highest levels and here's what pecker said about jeff se
mcdougal quiet and there was a lunch between karen mcdougal and david pecker and the editor and chief of the "national enquirer" where they were discussing potentially how she could continue to elevate her role within the american media business empire, but while also not talking about donald trump, and so all throughout the first year of donald trump's administration, we as the public did not understand the lengths to which donald trump allegedly was working with michael cohen, with...
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whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was, you know, he was very very concerned about it. >> so i said a moment ago, and andrew weissmann points this out. the 24 million was regarding stormy daniels, not karen mcdougal, but this was george conway telling, you know, this network that he was at a dinner where he heard donald trump talking about this. could he end up testifying? i mean, is this an opening for the d.a. to call george conway? >> you know, i don't think so. what i would say is it's consistent with, you know, that he's reacting to this, but it's not really corroborative of exactly what david pecker is saying because, you know, david pecker has a direct conversation with donald trump, and as vaughn correctly said, it's important for both what it is, and it's also important because as the piece that vaughn has alluded to, which is donald trump then saying he doesn't know anything about it, you can be sure the d.a. is going to play that so that you have that sort of, you know, there's nothing better for menta
whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was, you know, he was very very concerned about it. >> so i said a moment ago, and andrew weissmann points this out. the 24 million was regarding stormy daniels, not karen mcdougal, but this was george conway telling, you know, this network that he was at a dinner where he heard donald trump talking about this. could he end up testifying? i mean, is this an opening for the d.a. to call george conway? >> you know, i don't think so....
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mcdougal. boy, he really has laid this out how this works, this catch and kill form of journalism that he calls checkbook journalism, paying for these stories to protect donald trump over the years including in the weeks before the 2016 election. how damning from what you're seen just so far with another several days to go from david pecker and some cross examination, how damning has this been to donald trump? >> on a scale of 1 to 10, i would say an 8. pretty damning. strong start for the d.a. they didn't start with an accountant or a records witness, they came out with a big star witness. it's going to rivet a jury. in theory, you want the jury to pay attention the whole time. that would be nice. in practice, juries are made of people, and people slow over time no matter what the project. i think we all know that, and so to get david pecker on the stand day one talking about sex, lies, and videotape, talking about secret back room deals in 2015, talking about how this already somewhat sundry
mcdougal. boy, he really has laid this out how this works, this catch and kill form of journalism that he calls checkbook journalism, paying for these stories to protect donald trump over the years including in the weeks before the 2016 election. how damning from what you're seen just so far with another several days to go from david pecker and some cross examination, how damning has this been to donald trump? >> on a scale of 1 to 10, i would say an 8. pretty damning. strong start for...
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mcdougal. at the same time, judge juan merchan could also rule today on whether the former president violated his gag order. yesterday key witnesses in former trump attorney michael cohen stated he would stop posting or speaking publicly about the trial until after its conclusion. cohen is not under a gag order but has been the target of many of trump's recent rants. though donald trump gave an interview to the abc affiliate in philadelphia this week where he criticized michael cohen, and now one of trump's former attorneys is weighing in on those remarks. here's what trump said followed by new comments from his former lawyer, tim parlator. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar, and he's not no credibility whatsoever. he's a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many peopleinate just me and he got in trouble for things outside what he did for me. >> seemed to be in direct violation of the order as it is written. i think it's problematic
mcdougal. at the same time, judge juan merchan could also rule today on whether the former president violated his gag order. yesterday key witnesses in former trump attorney michael cohen stated he would stop posting or speaking publicly about the trial until after its conclusion. cohen is not under a gag order but has been the target of many of trump's recent rants. though donald trump gave an interview to the abc affiliate in philadelphia this week where he criticized michael cohen, and now...
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that's karen mcdougal. let me show you some of karen mcdougal in her own words about how in her experience and her view, how connected she was to donald trump. >> as you enter a relationship, you start to think about where this is going to go and how you feel. how did you view it? how did you view the relationship? >> you know, going through it, when i look back where i was back then, i know it's wrong. i really sorry for that. i know it's the wrong thing to do. but back in those days -- sorry. >> it's okay. back there that day, i was a different girl. i had fun. i was in the playboy scene. i was just enjoying life as much as i could. when i got with him, there was a real relationship there. there were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just him. there was a real relationship there. i kind of, out of sight, out of mind, with everything else. i did have a lot of guilt but i still continued. >> you believe that he had real feelings for you? >> of course he did. i know he did. >> he woul
that's karen mcdougal. let me show you some of karen mcdougal in her own words about how in her experience and her view, how connected she was to donald trump. >> as you enter a relationship, you start to think about where this is going to go and how you feel. how did you view it? how did you view the relationship? >> you know, going through it, when i look back where i was back then, i know it's wrong. i really sorry for that. i know it's the wrong thing to do. but back in those...
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. >> right, we're going to see tomorrow karen mcdougal, another woman that had a relationship with donald trump, we're going to find out what the national enquirer's role was in that and stormy daniels. i want to talk about the cross for a minute. i think it could be -- david pecker has been an effective witness so far, very good storyteller. but ultimately he's up on the stand saying he lies a lot. he's the king. kind of the king of fake news with donald trump. so i think that that is going to work against him. and the other thing is i don't think that -- i think the prosecution, they're going to zero -- the donald trump's lawyers are going to zero in, he had nothing to do with the payment scheme. that's what we're going to see as we roll through this week. >> sue craig, we'll continue our conversation going forward. thank you so much. great to see you in person. appreciate it. >>> as we have been talking about the trial that is going to resume tomorrow, donald trump will be in that new york courtroom tomorrow, some of his lawyers will be arguing before the u.s. supreme court on whether
. >> right, we're going to see tomorrow karen mcdougal, another woman that had a relationship with donald trump, we're going to find out what the national enquirer's role was in that and stormy daniels. i want to talk about the cross for a minute. i think it could be -- david pecker has been an effective witness so far, very good storyteller. but ultimately he's up on the stand saying he lies a lot. he's the king. kind of the king of fake news with donald trump. so i think that that is...
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mcdougal, these were unusual, they were much larger payments. the limit previously for celebrity stories were 10,000, now you're talking 100,000. far more than usual and pecker testified this didn't benefit the "national enquirer." it would have benefitted us to publish the story. to catch and kill them, he testified it benefitted the trump campaign and trump as well, but all you need from the prosecution's standpoint is that there was a benefit to the campaign to meet that element of the offense. so that was critical testimony from david pecker so far. >> and so pecker said essentially he had agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for trump, again, publishing stories that would boost trump while hurt his opponents in the 2016 election. we have a few of the headlines here, ted cruz caught cheating with five secret mistresses. hillary clinton's satanic inner circle. those headlines are obviously salacious, and they're clearly not true. given that david pecker was behind the scenes doing all that, pumping out these lies, what does that do for his cr
mcdougal, these were unusual, they were much larger payments. the limit previously for celebrity stories were 10,000, now you're talking 100,000. far more than usual and pecker testified this didn't benefit the "national enquirer." it would have benefitted us to publish the story. to catch and kill them, he testified it benefitted the trump campaign and trump as well, but all you need from the prosecution's standpoint is that there was a benefit to the campaign to meet that element of...
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he also talk about a conversation on the phone with donald trump when karen mcdougal surfaced. michael has told me about karen, what do you think? we know from david pecker's beginning testimony he talked to trump once he became a candidate at least once a week by phone and saw him in person once a month. what's notable about that, he saw and talked to trump more after he became a candidate than he did before. usually when people run for president of the united states and become a pay jar party nomination they have less time for the other people in their life as they're blanketing the trail. >> the check book journalism that was laid out in full display in the courtroom. definitely when i was growing up, you're younger, going to the grocery store with my mom there was national enquirer, crazy pictures of famous people and crazy stories, is the theme here is that enquirer could move the meter on the way people think, do people see this as journalism, is this surprising to the jury. >> one of the most disturbing parts as a journalist of this case to me, david pecker's description
he also talk about a conversation on the phone with donald trump when karen mcdougal surfaced. michael has told me about karen, what do you think? we know from david pecker's beginning testimony he talked to trump once he became a candidate at least once a week by phone and saw him in person once a month. what's notable about that, he saw and talked to trump more after he became a candidate than he did before. usually when people run for president of the united states and become a pay jar party...
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we haven't really even gotten to karen mcdougal, the playboy model who ami, american media company, which david pecker's company paid $150,000 to. so he is central to the prosecution's case, their theory there's this conspiracy with donald trump and david pecker and michael cohen to suppress negative information about donald trump in order to help him and influence the 2016 election. that initial meeting after donald trump annoyance his candidacy in june of 2025 was in trump tower, and that's where this scheme was hatched. and david pecker was there. so that he was the lead-off witness makes sense. michael cohen is still a main witness, but you can arguably say that david pecker is also the main witness if not the main witness in the prosecution's case with donald trump along with the documents and other witnesses who will be testifying. >> all right, so you're the defense now. you've seen this testimony and know more's to come. what's your way of unpacking what david pecker says and poking holes in it, frankly? >> well, it's not so much poking holes. it's hard to, i think, for the defens
we haven't really even gotten to karen mcdougal, the playboy model who ami, american media company, which david pecker's company paid $150,000 to. so he is central to the prosecution's case, their theory there's this conspiracy with donald trump and david pecker and michael cohen to suppress negative information about donald trump in order to help him and influence the 2016 election. that initial meeting after donald trump annoyance his candidacy in june of 2025 was in trump tower, and that's...
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then there was karen mcdougal a model and actress who like stormy daniels alleged she had an affair with donald trump. the enquirer also bought the rights to her story she she could not go public with it. what we learned in court today all this behind the scenes maneuvering much like the bombshell cover story was for one express purpose, to help the trump campaign. here'sp prosecutor steinglass, that part of the deal you were going to t notify them so they could buy up negative information on mr. trump, that part, did it help the national enquirer at all? is that going to boost sales of the national enquirer. pecker, no, that didn't help. steinglass, that partt didn't have aei mutual benefit. the purpose ofut that component uzto benefit the campaign. am i understanding you right? pecker, that is right. thepe focus how all this benefitted the trump campaign is important because the prosecution's central argument in this case,e the reason they were able to charge donald trump with a felony is because they say trump's hush money scheme was all about trying to cover up his criminal activity
then there was karen mcdougal a model and actress who like stormy daniels alleged she had an affair with donald trump. the enquirer also bought the rights to her story she she could not go public with it. what we learned in court today all this behind the scenes maneuvering much like the bombshell cover story was for one express purpose, to help the trump campaign. here'sp prosecutor steinglass, that part of the deal you were going to t notify them so they could buy up negative information on...
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mcdougal to cover up her own story. according to testimony, one of his with the understanding that she wanted somebody to purchase the affair. he contacted michael cohen and insisted on communication through an encrypted app. increasingly agitated as the editor first to that mcdougall's story with single quote, he kept on calling and each time he called he seemed more anxious adding, quote, i assumed he had the conversation esther trump and mr. trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her story and her silence but, here's the asterisk, which is great, trump was supposed to repa
mcdougal to cover up her own story. according to testimony, one of his with the understanding that she wanted somebody to purchase the affair. he contacted michael cohen and insisted on communication through an encrypted app. increasingly agitated as the editor first to that mcdougall's story with single quote, he kept on calling and each time he called he seemed more anxious adding, quote, i assumed he had the conversation esther trump and mr. trump was asking michael cohen did we hear...
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mcdougal. i would say for the defense, it looks like the one time that david isn't willing to make up stories to protect donald trump is when he is testifying under penalty of perjury and that's what happened today. he basically put the knife into trump. he is saying trump and i had this deal. and it is chronological. it describes not just what he talked about yesterday. checkbook journalism. basically, that the national inquirer had become an appendage of the trump campaign. and they were making up stories about ted cruz and morphing images and all sorts of stuff. and our campaign finance laws are written to ensure transparency. so that if you are getting some sort of gift whether it is dollars or a donation, that is disclosed to the voters so they can make up their mind. and what this entire steam was start to finish was a way for donald trump to get a bunch of benefits from a journalistic organization without disclosing that to the american people. >> was there a way to read the jury and how
mcdougal. i would say for the defense, it looks like the one time that david isn't willing to make up stories to protect donald trump is when he is testifying under penalty of perjury and that's what happened today. he basically put the knife into trump. he is saying trump and i had this deal. and it is chronological. it describes not just what he talked about yesterday. checkbook journalism. basically, that the national inquirer had become an appendage of the trump campaign. and they were...
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that august, 2015 meeting that you talked about and the phone call during 2016 about karen mcdougal having been vetted and what trump wanted to know about the conversation. i to assume there are a lot more conversations and the prosecution is going to elicit testimony about them in the ensuing days. >> i thought the most relevant thing to watch was the ongoing dichotomy going on inside the courtroom and outside the courtroom. i think it came into relief really at the beginning of the day when there was a hearing about whether donald trump would be held in contempt for some of the things he said on truth social about witnesses and even about a juror. todd blanche, the guy that i profiled in this story, got up and said that a client has a right to talk about the two systems of justice that have been shown in the courtroom and i think this is something that we will see a lot. donald trump if he can win an acquittal or a mistrial, that's great for him, but he is running against the system. >> a follow-up on that, we will talk about this in a second in greater detail, but he says he is doing hi
that august, 2015 meeting that you talked about and the phone call during 2016 about karen mcdougal having been vetted and what trump wanted to know about the conversation. i to assume there are a lot more conversations and the prosecution is going to elicit testimony about them in the ensuing days. >> i thought the most relevant thing to watch was the ongoing dichotomy going on inside the courtroom and outside the courtroom. i think it came into relief really at the beginning of the day...
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the day ended on the deal ami cut with playboy model karen mcdougal, who got $150,000 after pitching a story of her own. a year-long affair with trump, which she alleges and he denies. today, absolutely felt like a day to set up cohen's own testimony and to make the point which they did with exhibits on the big screens in the courtroom that what pecker is bringing to the table is not just stories about his favorite tabloid cover subject but also physical receipts. and it's only just the beginning, as the prosecution hasn't even gotten to the stormy daniels part of the story yet. joining me is neal katyal, former acting solicitor general and msnbc analyst. katie phang, trial attorney and host of the katie phang show right here on msnbc, who was at the courtroom with me today. and brian stelter, vanity fair special correspondent and author of the book of network lies. thank you all for being here. because you are at a disadvantage, our friend neal, i'm going to go to you first. what were you impressions today? >> first, i want to say katie's coverage of the trial live has been so spect
the day ended on the deal ami cut with playboy model karen mcdougal, who got $150,000 after pitching a story of her own. a year-long affair with trump, which she alleges and he denies. today, absolutely felt like a day to set up cohen's own testimony and to make the point which they did with exhibits on the big screens in the courtroom that what pecker is bringing to the table is not just stories about his favorite tabloid cover subject but also physical receipts. and it's only just the...
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the prosecution turned to the hush money payment to karen mcdougal, a model who says she had an affair with trump. pecker recalled during this time cohen instructed him to use the messaging app signal instead of regular phones because it's encrypted and messages would be destroyed. and the d.a. has evidence that trump knew, trump knew all about this. a recording by cohen discussing the macdougal payment through david pecker. >> court will resume on thursday with more testimony from david pecker. joining us now is joyce vance, former u.s. attorney, mia wylie, former civil attorney in new york, and hugo, covering washington and all things donald trump. joyce, i want to start with you. we've talked often about trying cases. when you have your case in chief, that primacy is how you do this. you start and end strong when it comes to the presentation of your witnesses. was it smart for the prosecution to start with david pecker thus far? >> well, it was smart, katie, and i am reminded that it was you who first said that you thought david pecker would be a great kickoff witness. i think that'
the prosecution turned to the hush money payment to karen mcdougal, a model who says she had an affair with trump. pecker recalled during this time cohen instructed him to use the messaging app signal instead of regular phones because it's encrypted and messages would be destroyed. and the d.a. has evidence that trump knew, trump knew all about this. a recording by cohen discussing the macdougal payment through david pecker. >> court will resume on thursday with more testimony from david...
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whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was -- he was very, very concerned about it. >> that will forever be in my trump is daddy phase. this is, again, part of the story we didn't know, right. what we knew is what was public. let me read from the transcripts of how the women and the mission of silences the women took shape. brag's team, you mentioned women in particular, did you raise that or someone else? pecker, in a presidential campaign, i was a person that thought there would be a lot of woman who could come out to try to sell their stories baz trump was well-known as the most eligible bachelor. and this is why he'll never attack him and the most beautiful women and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office, it is very common for these women to call up magazine like the "national enquirer" and try to sell there stoyeries. what about bill and hillary clinton coming up? i was running hillary clinton as an enabler with bill clinton and it was easy to say i keep running
whether they were watching karen mcdougal. so he was -- he was very, very concerned about it. >> that will forever be in my trump is daddy phase. this is, again, part of the story we didn't know, right. what we knew is what was public. let me read from the transcripts of how the women and the mission of silences the women took shape. brag's team, you mentioned women in particular, did you raise that or someone else? pecker, in a presidential campaign, i was a person that thought there...
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karen -- catherine, it is not karen mcdougal, not stormy daniels, but this allegation by a doorman at the trump tower, later found to be completely untrue that donald trump had fathered a child out of wedlock. and david pecker said, dino, they call him dino the doorman, was in the market selling a story that donald trump fathered an illegitimate girl with a maid. better that perhaps than reacting in some way to, again, another salacious allegation or something that at the time could have threatened his run for president. >> true or not, you're right. >> what do you make of the fact that trump is keeping calm? for now? >> important for now. he should be. it is okay to, like, you know, be upset if a witness testifies and if you're, like, you're a defendant, i'm innocent and that's not true. but that he's just calm, closing his eyes, i don't think he's sleeping, people said he's asleep, that's fine. you just want him to sit there and be quiet. >> where does this go from here? we only got let's see about 45 more minutes before they got to call it a day. >> right, well, there are go to be
karen -- catherine, it is not karen mcdougal, not stormy daniels, but this allegation by a doorman at the trump tower, later found to be completely untrue that donald trump had fathered a child out of wedlock. and david pecker said, dino, they call him dino the doorman, was in the market selling a story that donald trump fathered an illegitimate girl with a maid. better that perhaps than reacting in some way to, again, another salacious allegation or something that at the time could have...
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and that the money that was being used, whether it was for paying off the doorman or karen mcdougal or stormy daniels, which is the heart of the case, are all according to the d.a., election -- forms of election campaign fraud and part of that conspiracy. that is an element that makes the false business records a felony and not just a misdemeanor. but to your point, the bad journalist practice, if you step back and think about the big picture that's being presented to us, this case just like the fox and dominion civil case, is a form of this country really not adhering to its principles with respect to the role of the fourth estate. it's much closer to what you expect in countries like russia and authoritarian regimes. the idea that the media is in cahoots with a member of one party to get that person elected is simply not how this country operates or is supposed to operate. and we now have seen this both with respect to the testimony today from the "national enquirer," but we also saw it with respect to fox news and dominion, that sort of fundamental principle of how the fourth estate
and that the money that was being used, whether it was for paying off the doorman or karen mcdougal or stormy daniels, which is the heart of the case, are all according to the d.a., election -- forms of election campaign fraud and part of that conspiracy. that is an element that makes the false business records a felony and not just a misdemeanor. but to your point, the bad journalist practice, if you step back and think about the big picture that's being presented to us, this case just like...
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pecker helped him do that, not just with stormy daniels but also with karen mcdougal. you start these tales in the beginning, josÉ, and the beginning here was the attempt to kill the story. then you had to pay to kill the story, and once you paid to kill the story you had to reflect the payments on your books, and when you reflected them in a fraudulent matter, you committed a crime, and when you committed that crime with the goal of committing another crime, that misdemeanor became a felony. where do you start when you are a prosecute? at the beginning. that's what mr. pecker is, the beginning. >> i remember when we just started covering this part of trump's many different legal crisis, there was a question about how strong this case was because of the differences and the mismeaner to felony county, one, whether time had passed -- what is it you, as a prosecution today, are starting to establish on that issue, the difficulties or maybe the weakest parts? >> i still think it's not necessarily a straightforward case as some of the others. it had challenges in terms of
pecker helped him do that, not just with stormy daniels but also with karen mcdougal. you start these tales in the beginning, josÉ, and the beginning here was the attempt to kill the story. then you had to pay to kill the story, and once you paid to kill the story you had to reflect the payments on your books, and when you reflected them in a fraudulent matter, you committed a crime, and when you committed that crime with the goal of committing another crime, that misdemeanor became a felony....
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mcdougal. people always act in their self interest. in a courtroom, that tendency is exacerbated, right? so mr. pecker has sort of a binary choice. he can be a witness with immunity, or, perhaps, a defendant. between those two polls, it's pretty easy. danny is right. people almost always cooperate -- i wouldn't say 100% of the time -- >> look at allen weisselberg, he didn't. >> yeah, there are exceptions but almost always, and it's because it's in their interest to do so. the guy in the parking lot that sees the getaway car after the bank robbery, he doesn't have an axe to grind and he saw what he saw and will report it, but for those who are involved in the scheme and the plot, when they are given the choice to cooperate with the immunity, or cast in the lot with the other defendants facing prison time, that's never a hard choice in my experience. >> how do you think the defense will approach this on cross-examination? >> this is a tough one. david pecker is a tougher cross-examination subject
mcdougal. people always act in their self interest. in a courtroom, that tendency is exacerbated, right? so mr. pecker has sort of a binary choice. he can be a witness with immunity, or, perhaps, a defendant. between those two polls, it's pretty easy. danny is right. people almost always cooperate -- i wouldn't say 100% of the time -- >> look at allen weisselberg, he didn't. >> yeah, there are exceptions but almost always, and it's because it's in their interest to do so. the guy in...
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mcdougal, and others had to say about their liaison with mr. trump. that set off a string of events. payments to michael cohen as retainers, when it was a passthrough to get money to these women to keep them quiet. so in the context of a trial, and i think context matters, you want to tell a jury why it happened. you don't have to prove motive, but if you can prove motive, it makes it a much more powerful case. look, to your question about whether or not this is risky, trials are always risky. government has a huge burden. they have to prove their case by proof beyond a reasonable doubt to a unanimous jury. there's always some risk. but if you can explain why things happen and tell it in a chronological fashion, i actually think that makes a more compelling story for a jury. one that is easier for them to latch onto and to follow. >> lisa, to that point, we've said in the leadup to this trial that this is, of course, a hush money case, but it is also an election interference case. that's not really what the prosecution is arguing, is it? in fac
mcdougal, and others had to say about their liaison with mr. trump. that set off a string of events. payments to michael cohen as retainers, when it was a passthrough to get money to these women to keep them quiet. so in the context of a trial, and i think context matters, you want to tell a jury why it happened. you don't have to prove motive, but if you can prove motive, it makes it a much more powerful case. look, to your question about whether or not this is risky, trials are always risky....
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a second one, a woman named karen mcdougal who said she had an affair with john. they paid her to not tell about the story. there was the third one, stormy daniels. by this point, the inquirer was willing to make arrangements for her to be paid, to be quiet about that story. at that point they were not willing to put up additional money. michael cohen put up the money for that. the prosecutors explain this to the jury and then he says, prosecutor colangelo,, quote, cohen made the payment donald trump's direction benefit. he did it with the goal of influencing the outcome of the election. look, no politician wants bad press. the evidence at trial show it was not spinner communication strategy. it was a planned coordinated long-running conspiracy to influence the election, to help donald trump get elected through illegal expenditures. to silence people put something bad to say about his behavior using doctored corporate records and bank forms to conceal those payments along the way. it was election fraud pure and simple. we will never know if this conspiracy was the
a second one, a woman named karen mcdougal who said she had an affair with john. they paid her to not tell about the story. there was the third one, stormy daniels. by this point, the inquirer was willing to make arrangements for her to be paid, to be quiet about that story. at that point they were not willing to put up additional money. michael cohen put up the money for that. the prosecutors explain this to the jury and then he says, prosecutor colangelo,, quote, cohen made the payment donald...
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and then it takes you over to karen mcdougal. and those are the two who are released from their confidentiality agreement after the election. and what the defense is going to say in final argument is that has nothing to do with this case, absolutely nothing. because remember, what the defense needs in final sergeant not logic. they're not trying to take you through a flawlessly logical story. they're just trying to tug at any little doubt they can find anywhere. and they will lean in final argument on that agreement in that courtroom that that guy who said -- who told the enquirer that donald trump illegitimately fathered a child was not telling the truth, wasn't telling the truth, just like stormy daniels wasn't telling the truth about donald trump. and donald trump gets hustled by these people all the time p we have to deal with them in different ways. donald trump has said publicly this happens to every man, every man, includes you, chris hayes, sitting at this table, every man who's public, every man who's in the public eye i
and then it takes you over to karen mcdougal. and those are the two who are released from their confidentiality agreement after the election. and what the defense is going to say in final argument is that has nothing to do with this case, absolutely nothing. because remember, what the defense needs in final sergeant not logic. they're not trying to take you through a flawlessly logical story. they're just trying to tug at any little doubt they can find anywhere. and they will lean in final...
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yes, karen mcdougal is a big part of this. she's not charged here in large part because the conduct she alleges false outside of the statute of limitations but this is going to be a big part of the story that's shows there is a whole range of conduct that this particular candidate and those around him were invested in keeping from everyone else. >> andrew, it is karen mcdougal who, in january after the election, they decide, you know what, we don't have to hold her to the nondisclosure anymore because we after the election, which is such a key element in incentives here. >> what the state needs to make sure the jury does not sort of go off on is that this was just a schema with respect to melania trump. that is the john edwards defense. they need to say this isn't just some personal thing, this is about the campaign. the fact of what he does afterwards. apparently, david is going to say into that and 17, he meets with donald trump, who thanks him for helping him win the campaign and win the election. >> that is all in the open
yes, karen mcdougal is a big part of this. she's not charged here in large part because the conduct she alleges false outside of the statute of limitations but this is going to be a big part of the story that's shows there is a whole range of conduct that this particular candidate and those around him were invested in keeping from everyone else. >> andrew, it is karen mcdougal who, in january after the election, they decide, you know what, we don't have to hold her to the nondisclosure...
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stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, and this doorman who has this story of donald trump fathering a child unwed, which apparently isn't true. that's number one. number two, they're going to attack his opponents in the 2016 election, ted cruz, marco rubio, and number three, they're going to promote good stories. we're hearing now from david pecker at the end of trial today, he's going into this emails. he has two emails. a number of telephones. we're going to start hearing these communications, texts, emails. it's the documentation, the checks, all of that that will back him up, and as danny said, he could be as important a witness as michael cohen. >> so thank you for being here, you were in sdny. i'm going to bring our off the record conversation during the break online. the issue here is that michael cohen was prosecuted by the southern district of new york, where you used to work. but the southern district of new york could not prosecute trump at the time, he was a part of the conspiracy. he's named in the cohen indictment, right? >> individual one. >> individual one, but he was presid
stormy daniels, karen mcdougal, and this doorman who has this story of donald trump fathering a child unwed, which apparently isn't true. that's number one. number two, they're going to attack his opponents in the 2016 election, ted cruz, marco rubio, and number three, they're going to promote good stories. we're hearing now from david pecker at the end of trial today, he's going into this emails. he has two emails. a number of telephones. we're going to start hearing these communications,...
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karen mcdougal got paid off but the cast of characters never changes. the common denominator is michael cohen as the picture with david fixing the public face and donald trump paying it off. what was important is that there is some of us that are jaded having gone through this for years. going on this wild ride that is the donald trump experience. we are all in this courtroom and listening to all of this and we are still stunned when we hear todd blanche get up. by the way, the spaghetti theory, we have heard this as trial lawyers. you throw anything on the wall and hope something sticks. you just want to create reasonable doubt. if you created somehow, who cares how it happened. blanche is meandering. we will talk about this now but we will talk about this. it did not seem like there was any type of organized flow and he only used 35 minutes when he could have used more. i think he got to the point where he ran out of steam. and we would just sit down. >> reporter: one of the things in the opening is it is really important for both sides not to overpro
karen mcdougal got paid off but the cast of characters never changes. the common denominator is michael cohen as the picture with david fixing the public face and donald trump paying it off. what was important is that there is some of us that are jaded having gone through this for years. going on this wild ride that is the donald trump experience. we are all in this courtroom and listening to all of this and we are still stunned when we hear todd blanche get up. by the way, the spaghetti...
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it was a year later when karen mcdougal's story, the former playboy model who alleged a ten-month affair with donald trump, and stanlsz who had an alleged one-night affair with donald trump, ultimately those stories were bought either by ami or through michael cohen before the 2016 election. the opening statements really laid the foundation for both sides about where they intend to take this trial. for the d.a.'s side, they made it clear they are going to call up stormy daniels and michael cohen and paint a construct of a conspiracy, a long-hatched conspiracy to protect donald trump politically from damaging stories, and one that included an acknowledgment by donald trump that he would eventually reimburse michael cohen as he ended up doing in 2017. for the defense's part, the defense made it clear that they intend to make donald trump much more of a sympathetic figure, larger than life in their words, someone who shouldn't have been charged in the first place because todd blanche said, he did not commit a crime. he is innocent. i want to read you one quote from todd blanche. quote, pres
it was a year later when karen mcdougal's story, the former playboy model who alleged a ten-month affair with donald trump, and stanlsz who had an alleged one-night affair with donald trump, ultimately those stories were bought either by ami or through michael cohen before the 2016 election. the opening statements really laid the foundation for both sides about where they intend to take this trial. for the d.a.'s side, they made it clear they are going to call up stormy daniels and michael...
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reimbursed karen mcdougal -- i should say ami for that $150,000 payment. mcdougal's story is important because it shows this was a part of a greater conspiracy, a greater scheme that extended beyond just stormy daniels. i also want to give everybody a little color of what is happening inside right now as this opening statement from the prosecution continues. we're expecting it to last about 40 minutes. donald trump is actively writing on pieces of paper per our laura jarrett and katie phang and passing them to two of his attorneys, one who is reading them and putting them in his jacket pocket. they're preparing to deliver their opening statements right after the prosecution concludes here. but also inside of the courtroom, alvin bragg is sitting in the first row, the district attorney. he was not in the courtroom during jury selection. trump's seen your aide, jason miller is also inside the room. our laura jarrett also explains matthew colangelo, explaining confidently, relaxed, hands in pockets. he knows the facts. trump, meanwhile, sitting virtually emot
reimbursed karen mcdougal -- i should say ami for that $150,000 payment. mcdougal's story is important because it shows this was a part of a greater conspiracy, a greater scheme that extended beyond just stormy daniels. i also want to give everybody a little color of what is happening inside right now as this opening statement from the prosecution continues. we're expecting it to last about 40 minutes. donald trump is actively writing on pieces of paper per our laura jarrett and katie phang and...
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karen mcdougal is expected to testify, and the doorman they'll be hearing about who apparently had some information about donald trump that was false, but they paid him off, too. this is going to make it harder for donald trump to say, i know nothing, the whole sergeant schultz defense. you're part of the scheme. there's even a recording that michael cohen took secretly that shows trump knew about this, was part of this. it's not just some rogue accountant who did the falsification of business records, all part of this scheme that lasted a while and started way before stormy daniels. >> it's so interesting. amanda carpenter, there's so much going on in this trial, so much that's going to come out, lewd and lascivious behavior, details that perhaps donald trump would prefer not out there or not having to sit and listen to quietly in a chair in a courtroom. but beyond that, latisha james saying the money he posted in his fraught trial is no good. then you have i think this thursday oral arguments beginning, the supreme court taking up the immunity case with donald trump, and liz cheney pu
karen mcdougal is expected to testify, and the doorman they'll be hearing about who apparently had some information about donald trump that was false, but they paid him off, too. this is going to make it harder for donald trump to say, i know nothing, the whole sergeant schultz defense. you're part of the scheme. there's even a recording that michael cohen took secretly that shows trump knew about this, was part of this. it's not just some rogue accountant who did the falsification of business...
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karen mcdougal is expected to testify. a doorman apparently had information that turned out to be false about trump's love child. i think it's damaging for the former president who's going to use the sergeant schultz defense, i know nothing. >> you look at how the prosecutors are going to paint a picture after the "access hollywood" case comes out. i was covering him at that point. people were freaking out. they thought it was over for trump. they didn't want it to get any worse. >>> i have one legal moment. looking ahead later this week to thursday, there's a case with big implications in the supreme court. they'll take up trump's immunity claims. litz cheney is out with a new op-ed this morning, do this quickly. why does speed matter here? >> it matters because the case that poses the greatest existential threat to donald trump's freedom is the d.c. election interference case in front of judge chutkan who wants this case to go, but she can't let it go until the supreme court finishes with this appeal. the longer they dra
karen mcdougal is expected to testify. a doorman apparently had information that turned out to be false about trump's love child. i think it's damaging for the former president who's going to use the sergeant schultz defense, i know nothing. >> you look at how the prosecutors are going to paint a picture after the "access hollywood" case comes out. i was covering him at that point. people were freaking out. they thought it was over for trump. they didn't want it to get any...