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paula reid and former manhattan district attorney prosecutor. karen friedman, agnifilo. thank you so much for being back with us monograph not a name that you would expect would come early on a witness testimony. yeah. but absolutely anticipated that she would come up actually, i mean, this woman had the keys to the kingdom. she saw everything she knew pretty much everyone when you can see here prosecutors just as karen predicted on this show, about an hour ago they're using her to help introduce documents, lay the foundation for the fact that she she knew stormy daniels new karen mcdougal, the contacts were in their now going through his calendar so she can really help them confirm a couple of key dates, contacts, and events. so i think that's why they're going through the calendar, but that's exactly what karen said they do with their last where they two hours four-and-a-half, karen and di predicted we would see a witness like this. what's the significance in this kind of case to have a witness that we're so close to donald trump that had access not only to his calenda
paula reid and former manhattan district attorney prosecutor. karen friedman, agnifilo. thank you so much for being back with us monograph not a name that you would expect would come early on a witness testimony. yeah. but absolutely anticipated that she would come up actually, i mean, this woman had the keys to the kingdom. she saw everything she knew pretty much everyone when you can see here prosecutors just as karen predicted on this show, about an hour ago they're using her to help...
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but as trump sits in a manhattan courthouse, president biden, we should note doing an interview with the iconic and yes, sometimes controversial radio host howard stern let's check in with cnn's arlette saenz over the white house. arlette, maybe they're just trying to set up a slight contrast here. if i made between the president and the forum president in terms of what's happening today, what can you tell us? >> yeah, that's really is what president biden has been trying to do over the past two weeks is really trying to offer this split-screen at a time when former president donald trump is in that new york city coat, a courtroom and biden has been able to use this time to be out on the campaign trail that includes his a three-day swing pennsylvania last week. and right now, he is over in new york city and he is actually participating in a pretty in-depth interview with radio show host howard stern. the president has been talking in very personal terms, not really in campaigning type of terms, talking about his upbringing his childhood struggle with a stutter& all so his experience
but as trump sits in a manhattan courthouse, president biden, we should note doing an interview with the iconic and yes, sometimes controversial radio host howard stern let's check in with cnn's arlette saenz over the white house. arlette, maybe they're just trying to set up a slight contrast here. if i made between the president and the forum president in terms of what's happening today, what can you tell us? >> yeah, that's really is what president biden has been trying to do over the...
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. >> the manhattan da's response they couldn't cite a single precedent of a judge validating that use means that that's an untested use. >> and the third problem is that there has never been an application of intent to defraud, which is a key element of this case. it's never been used. this broadly. it's never been used as an intent to defraud the general public, never use as election interference whatever that means legally. so if it's unprecedented, it means that it is being used for trump and trump only accept it could be used by the other side. now, that's the problem, but jed isn't the issue that the conduct is unprecedented i mean, isn't the fact that filing false business records is routinely prosecuted in the new york state courts. what's unusual here is the false business records were used to cover up a campaign violation that doesn't happen very often. i never heard of it done before. isn't that the issue? not the fact that this was some novel use by the prosecutors. it was a novel crime. >> so one problem is you could always go to a level of generality with any case of sele
. >> the manhattan da's response they couldn't cite a single precedent of a judge validating that use means that that's an untested use. >> and the third problem is that there has never been an application of intent to defraud, which is a key element of this case. it's never been used. this broadly. it's never been used as an intent to defraud the general public, never use as election interference whatever that means legally. so if it's unprecedented, it means that it is being used...
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she testified against michael and his criminal trial in manhattan and the jury clearly believes her. she is a believable person but she does have an ax to grind against donald trump and that will be brought out. >> it's interesting because trump also -- pecker said he got an angry call from trump about google into an 18. he said when he called me he said did you see the interview and he said yes and we had an agreement with karen mcdougall she couldn't give any interviews or be in any television shows and i said yes come we have an agreement but i amended it for her to speak to the press, mr. trump got upset when i amended it, she was flooded with requests from the press so i amended her agreement at that time and trump said and you pater, and i said yes and he was upset he couldn't understand why i did it. i just want to play what karen mcdougall said during the interview. or not, we don't have it. >> why would he have amended -- i don't understand why david would have amended the agreement with karen? >> is not clear to me either. he had an independent business with mcdougall she w
she testified against michael and his criminal trial in manhattan and the jury clearly believes her. she is a believable person but she does have an ax to grind against donald trump and that will be brought out. >> it's interesting because trump also -- pecker said he got an angry call from trump about google into an 18. he said when he called me he said did you see the interview and he said yes and we had an agreement with karen mcdougall she couldn't give any interviews or be in any...
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in this case, the manhattan di a refused to provide a bill of particulars and the judge allowed it. now, i wonder if that how much that happens and maybe there's a spotlight on process, but just gonna do, what do you think? yeah. so i think that i want to wait and see how the evidence comes in to really evaluate the strength of this case and the merits of bringing it i agree with you that it's a novel prosecution, but it is novel conduct and it's a capacious statute in new york, this conspiracy to promote an election through unlawful means that appears to be the primary theory of the underlying crime that the da says, the falsification of business records was intended to conceal an aid. so that statute that he's relying on isn't very broad statute under new york law. and it seems to me it can be read plausibly to cover violations even of federal election law. and so it is true that it needs to go up through the appellate courts, whether this is a valid legal theory, but i'm not as disturbed as you are by the attempt to use it if the fact barrett out. >> so the problem with one perso
in this case, the manhattan di a refused to provide a bill of particulars and the judge allowed it. now, i wonder if that how much that happens and maybe there's a spotlight on process, but just gonna do, what do you think? yeah. so i think that i want to wait and see how the evidence comes in to really evaluate the strength of this case and the merits of bringing it i agree with you that it's a novel prosecution, but it is novel conduct and it's a capacious statute in new york, this conspiracy...
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she testified against michael avenatti in his criminal trial in manhattan, and the jury clearly believed her. i mean, she is a believable person, but she does have an ax to grind against donald trump. and that is going to be brought out in front of the sure. i mean, it was interesting because trump will also pecker testified that he gotten angry call from trump also about another interview i did which was with karen mcdougal in 2018 pecker said, so mr. trump said when he called me, he said, did you see anderson cooper interview with karen mcdougal? >> i said yes. he said i thought you had and we had an agreement with karen google that she can't give any interviews or beyond any television shows. so i said yes. i said we had an agreement by amended it to allow her to speak to the press. does trump got very aggravated when he heard that i amended it. he couldn't understand why i said karen had a two-year agreement. she was flooded with requests from the press for interviews and i amended her agreement at that time, trump said, well, then you paid her. i said yes, i paid her an amended the
she testified against michael avenatti in his criminal trial in manhattan, and the jury clearly believed her. i mean, she is a believable person, but she does have an ax to grind against donald trump. and that is going to be brought out in front of the sure. i mean, it was interesting because trump will also pecker testified that he gotten angry call from trump also about another interview i did which was with karen mcdougal in 2018 pecker said, so mr. trump said when he called me, he said, did...
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>> are you more or less likely you think to take the stand in the manhattan case right now. i know well, if it's necessary right now, i don't know if you heard about today. today, was just incredible. people are saying the experts, i'm talking about legal scholars and experts. they're saying what kind of a cases is there is no
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>> are you more or less likely you think to take the stand in the manhattan case right now. i know well, if it's necessary right now, i don't know if you heard about today. today, was just incredible. people are saying the experts, i'm talking about legal scholars and experts. they're saying what kind of a cases is there is no case okay. >> i have legal experts at the table right now, but i want to ask to you, jim, on that very point, if necessary. >> he's looking at and evaluating each witnesses testimony. what was it about david pecker's testimony? >> you think? it's making him think if it's even necessary last week, you said he would testify. >> so i think that he he's he will throw whatever out whatever he wants to throw out there. right. >> don't i wouldn't read too much into it one day he's going to say he's testified and one de is got because he needs to defend himself the next day is going to say this case is bs and i don't need to testify because it's garbage. so you're going to hear that throughout the trial as especially as he absorbs the information day in and da
>> are you more or less likely you think to take the stand in the manhattan case right now. i know well, if it's necessary right now, i don't know if you heard about today. today, was just incredible. people are saying the experts, i'm talking about legal scholars and experts. they're saying what kind of a cases is there is no case okay. >> i have legal experts at the table right now, but i want to ask to you, jim, on that very point, if necessary. >> he's looking at and...
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but first, learned a lot today, abby i'm inside of a manhattan courtroom and the lips of one david pecker who is supposed to be the eyes and ears for the mouth is speaking and the tabloid kingpin, who did donald trump's bidding, pecker will go back on the stand tomorrow, but today's testimony put an awful lot of meat on the bone about how prosecutors say trump architected in agreement to catch and kill the stormy daniel story in the deciding stretch of the 2016 campaign. now, the level of detail that pecker provided from the stand was kind of unexpected and the jury learn some new things about a story that most of us thought we already knew there were thank you. dinners. the white house was involved. there were fights over money and trump trying to stiff his tabloid protector. >> but maybe most critically actually was the prosecution. >> they got pecker to make the link between the payments to women who allegedly had sexual & trump and the reason why trump wanted to keep all of this from ever seeing sunlight and it wasn't his family. pecker told the jury it was the election. >> so here wi
but first, learned a lot today, abby i'm inside of a manhattan courtroom and the lips of one david pecker who is supposed to be the eyes and ears for the mouth is speaking and the tabloid kingpin, who did donald trump's bidding, pecker will go back on the stand tomorrow, but today's testimony put an awful lot of meat on the bone about how prosecutors say trump architected in agreement to catch and kill the stormy daniel story in the deciding stretch of the 2016 campaign. now, the level of...
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that is the underlying crime that's at the basis of the manhattan da's this is the da is trying trump for a federal violation shoehorn into state statutes, a state prosecutors never tried this before, right? because the federal election campaign act, but either by law or norm or lack of state expertise is for federal. so that's one problem. the second problem is also a kind of jurisdictional problem. trump's lawyers argued that this particular statute using a state violation state business recording mr. according to upgrade it for the concealing of another crime, it has to be within new york jurisdiction are a lot of good reasons why that might be the manhattan da's response. they couldn't cite a single precedent of a judge validating that use means that that's an untested use. and the third problem is that there has never been an application of intent to defraud, which is a key element of this case it's never been used this broadly. it's never been used as an intent to defraud the general public, never used as election interference, whatever that means legally. so if it's unprecedent
that is the underlying crime that's at the basis of the manhattan da's this is the da is trying trump for a federal violation shoehorn into state statutes, a state prosecutors never tried this before, right? because the federal election campaign act, but either by law or norm or lack of state expertise is for federal. so that's one problem. the second problem is also a kind of jurisdictional problem. trump's lawyers argued that this particular statute using a state violation state business...
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yeah, shifting focus back to manhattan now. >> so we got through in the testimony, david pecker, the story of the karen mcdougal catch and kill. essentially, they learned about karen mcdougal story. they were concerned both within ami national enquirer, david pecker is company and the trump campaign, and importantly, david pecker testified that they wanted to buy up the story and silence it because we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. it's a very important detail for prosecutors. they're ultimately the national enquirer, ami pecker's company buys the rights to the story from karen mcdougal for $150,000. and then there's this interesting dispute between the trump camp. they don't want to pay shockingly, donald trump, people don't want to pay for something nami wants to get paid, ultimately, they just back off. an ami says, you know what, we're going to pay for this donald trump's team does not end up paying for that. that sets this table then for the access hollywood tape, when that came out, there was testimony from david pecker that wh
yeah, shifting focus back to manhattan now. >> so we got through in the testimony, david pecker, the story of the karen mcdougal catch and kill. essentially, they learned about karen mcdougal story. they were concerned both within ami national enquirer, david pecker is company and the trump campaign, and importantly, david pecker testified that they wanted to buy up the story and silence it because we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. it's a...
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moreover, this is a look particularly in manhattan juries do complicated cases all the time. he was financial fraud cases dealing with complex transactions all the time. but in fairness, this charge is slightly complex when you and you're talking about falsifying business records for the purpose of concealing or committing a felony that was a campaign violation. it doesn't roll off the tongue smoothly now, again, that's not to say that a new york jury isn't capable of of finding someone guilty on a complicated crime, but it's not homicide or arson or something that it happened. you did it and people sort of get their heads around it. and so i just think you might lose some jurors and prosecutors have to be mindful of that. how can they put this in terms that the ordinary juror can understand? >> hopefully you wouldn't think it was the normal way journalists do business because it is not. but what it is is tawdry and what he did or they're trying to get him to do is via corroborating witness because they know that michael cohen is going to testify and he was part of the triumv
moreover, this is a look particularly in manhattan juries do complicated cases all the time. he was financial fraud cases dealing with complex transactions all the time. but in fairness, this charge is slightly complex when you and you're talking about falsifying business records for the purpose of concealing or committing a felony that was a campaign violation. it doesn't roll off the tongue smoothly now, again, that's not to say that a new york jury isn't capable of of finding someone guilty...
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moments ago, donald trump returning to that manhattan courtroom where he has been seated. all work morning listening one-sided jury of his peers here and very important testimony. from the first witness and his criminal hush, money trial. the judge also has just returned to the bench, and so we are expecting david to continue providing is key insights into his relationship with the former president and those around him in the 2016 campaign in the lead up to it. and also how david put the entire apparent apparatus of the national enquirer to work for donald trump's presidential campaign. we still have brian seltzer with us a contributing writer, two vanity fair and brian, you have covered david, the national enquirer for so long. you knew about so much of this, but to sit there to listen to david talk about this environment, it's also incredibly revealing, not just the national enquirer, but also have held trump views because the media and how he believes that essentially the media should work for him but such a great point, kaitlan, that's under again, that's an her curren
moments ago, donald trump returning to that manhattan courtroom where he has been seated. all work morning listening one-sided jury of his peers here and very important testimony. from the first witness and his criminal hush, money trial. the judge also has just returned to the bench, and so we are expecting david to continue providing is key insights into his relationship with the former president and those around him in the 2016 campaign in the lead up to it. and also how david put the entire...
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karen, you worked with the manhattan district attorney for several years. what's your take away from what we saw and heard today? >> there's setting the stage for the jury and planting, painting a picture of exactly what the situation was back in 2015 and 2016 and taking the jury back to where it was and what it was like and what the import of the access hollywood tape was, for example, at that time and it's clear that that's what they're trying to do. >> the trend of transport the jury back. i also notice that trump seems to have learned from his other trials where his outbursts and court and things like that really didn't bode well for him. and he lost all of his prior civil cases in a very big way in new york. so he's really on his best behavior inside of course, he's not speaking out. there's no outbursts and you also see judge merchan is really controlling his courtroom and keeping things moving along and keeping them smoothly and so i was struck by that, which is great. and i think he realizes that this is all about the jury. this is not about joe bid
karen, you worked with the manhattan district attorney for several years. what's your take away from what we saw and heard today? >> there's setting the stage for the jury and planting, painting a picture of exactly what the situation was back in 2015 and 2016 and taking the jury back to where it was and what it was like and what the import of the access hollywood tape was, for example, at that time and it's clear that that's what they're trying to do. >> the trend of transport the...
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cnn's paula reid is standing by in manhattan. paula, bring us up the speed jake, the judge is laying out for the jury the gravity of the task that they have at hand, and the fact that these charges against former president trump must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. >> he said, if you find him guilty, that must be based on the evidence how long speculation and not on bias and was going on to explain to the jurors exactly how this will work. and he notes that for example lawyers are not allowed to comment during witness testimony telling the jury that that only happens in movies and on television shows, but not at a real trial. now, our reporters inside the courtroom from note that that drew a smile both from the prosecution and the defense. probably one of the few unifying moments in this case so far the judge will continue to lay out what exactly is happening and what is expected of these jurors. this whole thing, this whole instruction is expected to take about 30 minutes and then we'll get into opening statements. >> all r
cnn's paula reid is standing by in manhattan. paula, bring us up the speed jake, the judge is laying out for the jury the gravity of the task that they have at hand, and the fact that these charges against former president trump must be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. >> he said, if you find him guilty, that must be based on the evidence how long speculation and not on bias and was going on to explain to the jurors exactly how this will work. and he notes that for example lawyers are...