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but she is really up there in the inner, inner, inner circle for trump with michael cohen, with allen weisselberg, the people that he literally spent the most -- had the most communication with. >> she's like a personal assistant. >> personal assistant but was one of the key gate keepers. the trump organization really only had about 14 people working for it. trump only had about three, four people he was talking to on a regular basis and rhona was one of them. handled all of his communications. so why was she important? what did she do today? it's that a lot of it was to authenticate a lot of the documents, a lot of the communications that we're going to be seeing later in the trial. and particularly then it was the placement of stormy daniels at the property, at trump tower, and critically, the outlook contact cards -- >> that she knew. >> of daniels and mcdougal that was sitting there in trump's rolodex. >> what's the significance of that, other than trump knew these women? >> look, the prosecutors don't have to prove that trump actually had relationships with either stormy daniels
but she is really up there in the inner, inner, inner circle for trump with michael cohen, with allen weisselberg, the people that he literally spent the most -- had the most communication with. >> she's like a personal assistant. >> personal assistant but was one of the key gate keepers. the trump organization really only had about 14 people working for it. trump only had about three, four people he was talking to on a regular basis and rhona was one of them. handled all of his...
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but trump's doj didn't actually shield michael cohen. he was convicted and imprisoned by the very independent sdny prosecutors who were prosecutors during the trump era. and by the end of the week they turned to vrana graph. she is frugal but the defendant, his company, they are still paying for her lawyers. you take this all together and what you see is a lot more evidence against trump than reasonable doubt on his behalf. that doesn't mean he's losing this case. we are on the da's side. the burden is on them, but for a first week this wasn't exactly a slow rise or a lot of accounting spreadsheets, this was a 2x4 swung repeatedly at donald trump as a defendant and while some of that came from those prosecutors tough talk in the opening which i read to you, as we get into this in the special tonight, you've got to remember a lot of that tough talk and incriminating information came from his buddy, tabloid chief david pecker who said by the end of his testimony, it's not personal. he still counts donald trump as a friend, he's just tellin
but trump's doj didn't actually shield michael cohen. he was convicted and imprisoned by the very independent sdny prosecutors who were prosecutors during the trump era. and by the end of the week they turned to vrana graph. she is frugal but the defendant, his company, they are still paying for her lawyers. you take this all together and what you see is a lot more evidence against trump than reasonable doubt on his behalf. that doesn't mean he's losing this case. we are on the da's side. the...
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it wasn't michael cohen. who had sex with stormy daniels, it wasn't michael cohen. who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution has put in a few things about he's a challenging kind of client for that bank guy. pecker thinks he exaggerates. so the jury, i'm sure, is very curious to see this guy. and i think the da's main task, they have laid the tracks well, but they know that cohen is coming. their main task is between hicks, between pecker, and then the paperwork is to corroborate every single hole so at the end of the day, they can get up and say, look, michael cohen, first of all, you can believe him for these reasons, but even if yo
it wasn't michael cohen. who had sex with stormy daniels, it wasn't michael cohen. who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name...
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one of those minions is michael cohen, and this was all michael cohen's show, not donald trump who was mostly in the dark. the people know they're going to explore that as a defense t. they are prebutting it, rebutting it in advance. >> graff is off the stand. no redirect. everything you said, danny, is now moot. >> you didn't have to point it out. >> once again. she's off the stand, they're going to get a third witness today. we're waiting to see who that witness is. we're going to take a quick break. once again, our coverage of donald trump's criminal hush money trial continues in just a moment. inues in just a moment ♪♪ missing out on the things you love because of asthma? get back to better breathing with fasenra, an add-on treatment for eosinophilic asthma that is taken once every 8 weeks. fasenra is not for sudden breathing problems or other eosinophilic conditions. allergic reactions may occur. don't stop your asthma treatments without talking with your doctor. tell your doctor if your asthma worsens. headache and sore throat may occur. tell your doctor if you have a parasit
one of those minions is michael cohen, and this was all michael cohen's show, not donald trump who was mostly in the dark. the people know they're going to explore that as a defense t. they are prebutting it, rebutting it in advance. >> graff is off the stand. no redirect. everything you said, danny, is now moot. >> you didn't have to point it out. >> once again. she's off the stand, they're going to get a third witness today. we're waiting to see who that witness is. we're...
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she's going to be a super important witness because she doesn't have cohen's baggage, michael cohen's baggage. it's the opposite. hope hicks was team trump all the way during the period that's the subject of this indictment. so it makes her especially credible. she's going to be able to connect the hush money payments with trump's presidential ambitions. that's what prosecution also needed david pecker to do. to link the catch and kill agreement to the campaign, and that's exactly what he did. so, again, the defense tried to attack pecker's credibility in order to testify. they didn't score big points, and they're not going to be able to go there with hope hicks. she's going to be a strong witness for the prosecution. >> you know, jeremy, before the break, defense spent a lot of time grilling david pecker about a non-prosecution agreement, the jurors learned an awful lot about catch and kill. on one hand, it's pretty straightforward, right? catch and kill is you find out that there's a story that you want to bury, you pay for it, and you make sure they sign an agreement that says nobo
she's going to be a super important witness because she doesn't have cohen's baggage, michael cohen's baggage. it's the opposite. hope hicks was team trump all the way during the period that's the subject of this indictment. so it makes her especially credible. she's going to be able to connect the hush money payments with trump's presidential ambitions. that's what prosecution also needed david pecker to do. to link the catch and kill agreement to the campaign, and that's exactly what he did....
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pecker did say that michael cohen was kind of full of himself. he was trying to put his fingers in everything, and he was acting like he was a campaign lawyer, but that wasn't his job. so that will support trump's defense that it wasn't his intent to try to win the election by shutting up stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, maybe that's something that michael cohen was trying to do, but trump will try to get the jury to think he didn't have anything to do with that, that michael cohen was a lone wolf. >> for the first time our team that has been inside the courthouse can join us live to talk about what they saw. i want to bring in msnbc legal correspondent lisa rubin, msnbc contributor and "new york times" investigative correspondent sue craig, and legal analyst kristy greenberg as i always do, i want to get, first of all, lisa, just your big takeaways from the morning because, again, we're reading the document. we're not in there. but for the last day of what's been a long week, it sounds like there was some real moments in that courtroom. >> the
pecker did say that michael cohen was kind of full of himself. he was trying to put his fingers in everything, and he was acting like he was a campaign lawyer, but that wasn't his job. so that will support trump's defense that it wasn't his intent to try to win the election by shutting up stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, maybe that's something that michael cohen was trying to do, but trump will try to get the jury to think he didn't have anything to do with that, that michael cohen was a lone...
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david pecker testified just a moment ago when he called michael cohen about this fec letter, that michael cohen said in response, quote, jeff sessions is the attorney general and trump has him in his pocket. in that david pecker is saying, let him to question whether michael cohen was somebody who would exaggerate statements, because he knew that donald trump didn't have jeff sessions in his pocket. all of this is an effort here apparently by the defense team for donald trump in front of the jury here to question michael cohen's credibility and the statements who is the key witness before they get to the point that michael cohen's credibility is something they should question. >> are prosecutors trying to establish the payments had a campaign connection? isn't that essential to the -- >> if they can't, there you go. that's going to be the end of the case. i'm not in the courtroom, but i'm reading the -- what we call the google doc. the defense attorney is doing an excellent cross-examination. his job as to this cross is to create reasonable doubt. he is trying to do that. he is simultaneo
david pecker testified just a moment ago when he called michael cohen about this fec letter, that michael cohen said in response, quote, jeff sessions is the attorney general and trump has him in his pocket. in that david pecker is saying, let him to question whether michael cohen was somebody who would exaggerate statements, because he knew that donald trump didn't have jeff sessions in his pocket. all of this is an effort here apparently by the defense team for donald trump in front of the...
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both michael cohen can too, depending on how he testifies. he's got a lot more credibility issues than david pecker. >> i think some may be surprised to learn through this process that paparazzi were being sent to meetings when there was no interest in it. and maybe that the -- you know, martians maybe weren't real. interesting also to see, vaughn, how right now there is that attempt by the defense to damage the credibility of david pecker, specifically on things he said about donald trump and whether donald trump thanked him or did not thank him. >> right, that january 2017 meeting that we're talking about at trump tower when we were -- first got on the show, jose, in which david pecker testified that he went to trump tower there, and just after a meeting that donald trump had with the likes of james comey, reince priebus and sean spicer there, two weeks before he was sworn in as president, david pecker replaced all the individuals and had testified this week that that is where donald trump had thanked him for purchasing the rights to dino t
both michael cohen can too, depending on how he testifies. he's got a lot more credibility issues than david pecker. >> i think some may be surprised to learn through this process that paparazzi were being sent to meetings when there was no interest in it. and maybe that the -- you know, martians maybe weren't real. interesting also to see, vaughn, how right now there is that attempt by the defense to damage the credibility of david pecker, specifically on things he said about donald...
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the case is about michael cohen and if you don't believe michael cohen, i think the jury has to acquit. >> it will be interesting to hear and see his influence on this jury and how the prosecutor navigates this potential trap i guess you could say. everybody stay with us. richard, we'll come to you on the other side of another quick break. please stay with us. you're watching our personal coverage here on msnbc. r personl coverage here on msnbc (psst! psst!) ahhh! with flonase, allergies don't have to be scary. spray flonase sensimist daily for non-drowsy long lasting relief in a scent free, gentle mist. flonase all good. also, try our allergy headache and nighttime pills. with schwab investing themes™, it's easy to invest in ideas you believe in. spot a trend in electric vehicles? have a passion for online gaming? or want to explore the space economy? choose from over 40 themes, each with up to 25 stocks identified by our unique algorithm. buy it as-is or customize to align with your goals. all at your fingertips. schwab investing themes. 40 customizable themes. up to 25 stocks in j
the case is about michael cohen and if you don't believe michael cohen, i think the jury has to acquit. >> it will be interesting to hear and see his influence on this jury and how the prosecutor navigates this potential trap i guess you could say. everybody stay with us. richard, we'll come to you on the other side of another quick break. please stay with us. you're watching our personal coverage here on msnbc. r personl coverage here on msnbc (psst! psst!) ahhh! with flonase, allergies...
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if anyone should buy it, pecker said, it should be donald trump and michael cohen. trump's former fixer. pecker says when he told cohen, quote, he was upset and responded that the boss, referring to trump, would be furious with me. pecker said he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on "60 minutes." >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said, we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging pecker's credibility and business practices. at a campaign event earlier in the day, mr. trump addressed the testimony of his long-time friend. >> david has been very nice, a nice guy. >> did you know about the payment to stormy daniels before the
if anyone should buy it, pecker said, it should be donald trump and michael cohen. trump's former fixer. pecker says when he told cohen, quote, he was upset and responded that the boss, referring to trump, would be furious with me. pecker said he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified...
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as to that credibility, he has somewhat less credibility issues than michael cohen. so i think a very effective witness for the state and a really tough witness to cross for the defense. >> we don't use the word scoundrel enough in our coverage enough, danny cevallos. thank you for joining us and giving us new vocab words. >>> still ahead we'll look at president biden's new to nikki haley supporters. plus harvey weinstein's rape convictions in new york overturned. will it lead to a new trial? those stories and a check on sports and weather when we come back. a check on sports and weather when we come back ah, these bills are crazy. she has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine. call coventry direct today at the number on your screen, or visit coventrydirect.com. [coughing] copd hasn't been pretty. it's tough to breathe and tough to kee
as to that credibility, he has somewhat less credibility issues than michael cohen. so i think a very effective witness for the state and a really tough witness to cross for the defense. >> we don't use the word scoundrel enough in our coverage enough, danny cevallos. thank you for joining us and giving us new vocab words. >>> still ahead we'll look at president biden's new to nikki haley supporters. plus harvey weinstein's rape convictions in new york overturned. will it lead to...
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he says he called up trump attorney michael cohen. michael cohen told him don't worry about it. even though it's this time of night, we don't have yet the official transcript from court today, still. but we do have a bunch of reporters in the courtroom and in the overflow room and able to take detailed notes, which is what i'm about to read from now. joshua steinglass, the prosecutor, quotes, did you receive a letter from the federal election commission? >> david pecker, yes. steinglass, did you speak to michael cohen? >> pecker, i said michael i just received this letter what do we do it, and michael cohen said jeff sessions has him in his pocket. i said i am very worried. for the record attorneys general aren't supposed to fit in the president's pocket even if the president wears notoriously wide leg pants. this bill david pecker testified today trump asked about, one of the people whose silence they had paid for, he said trump asked him in 2017 before he was nugerated, quote, how's our girl doing, meaning how's karen mcdougal? david pecker said he told trump in response thing
he says he called up trump attorney michael cohen. michael cohen told him don't worry about it. even though it's this time of night, we don't have yet the official transcript from court today, still. but we do have a bunch of reporters in the courtroom and in the overflow room and able to take detailed notes, which is what i'm about to read from now. joshua steinglass, the prosecutor, quotes, did you receive a letter from the federal election commission? >> david pecker, yes. steinglass,...
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"if anyone should buy it, it should be donald trump and michael cohen." david pecker said that michael cohen was upset and responded that "the boss would be furious ." david pecker said today he believed trump or his company pay daniels until michael cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove that mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. david pecker testified that trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money? >> yes. >> david pecker said trump called him and said, we have an agreement with stormy daniels, that she can't mention my name. trump denied knowledge of the arrangement, the cross- examination, trump's lawyers challenged david credibility in business practices. at a campaign event, trump addressed the testimony of his longtime friend. >> david is a nice guy. >> what do we know about the payment to stormy daniels? >> reporter: david pecker testified about a payment his company did make to former playboy model, karen mcdougal,
"if anyone should buy it, it should be donald trump and michael cohen." david pecker said that michael cohen was upset and responded that "the boss would be furious ." david pecker said today he believed trump or his company pay daniels until michael cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove that mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. david pecker testified that trump was aghast when...
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did you speak to michael cohen? never. when i received criminal record, i called michael cohen. i said, i received this letter, what do we do? michael cullen said, jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. i said, i'm very worried." attorneys general are not supposed to fit in the presidents pocket even if the president wears notoriously wide pants. still, david pecker testified that trump asked about one of the people whose silence they paid for and he said trump asked in january, 2017, before inauguration, "how's our girl doing?" meaning, how is karen mcdougal. he said that things were fine, she was then quiet. they asked about her again that summer, when he invited david pecker to the white house. he says trump asked, "how is karen doing?" david pecker said he said "i said she's quiet, everything's going good." david pecker said he finally had to put his foot down on any additional payments for trump, because trump was not paying him back like he said he would, first for a doorman, from a trump property who made a wild claim about a supposi
did you speak to michael cohen? never. when i received criminal record, i called michael cohen. i said, i received this letter, what do we do? michael cullen said, jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. i said, i'm very worried." attorneys general are not supposed to fit in the presidents pocket even if the president wears notoriously wide pants. still, david pecker testified that trump asked about one of the people whose silence they paid for and he...
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if anyone should buy it, pecker said, it should be donald trump and michael cohen , trump's former fixer. pecker said when he told cohen, quote, he was upset and said that the boss, a recording to trump, would be furious with me. pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging credibility and business practice. at a campaign event earlier in the day mr. trump addressed the testimony of his longtime friend. >> david has been a nice guy. >> did you know about the payment to stormy daniels before the 2020 election? >> reporter: pecker also test
if anyone should buy it, pecker said, it should be donald trump and michael cohen , trump's former fixer. pecker said when he told cohen, quote, he was upset and said that the boss, a recording to trump, would be furious with me. pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also...
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and we heard an earful about the campaign, mostly through michael cohen constantly worrying about what the bosses thinking. when the transcript came, there are more than a dozen mentions of the boss. typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had more important things to worry about, having the jury hear the boss again and again and again, a dozen times, doesn't help his case. there was a fascinating moment when the jury saw after trump was elected, trump in the white house with david pecker , at trump's invitation. his dinner, trump put it. and this was the conversation that they had. >> this photograph was entered into evidence today. >> yes. the jury was looking at this photograph when david pecker was narrating, and i have the transept in front of me. did the subject of karen mcdougal, but all? at the time of the dinner, mr. trump as
and we heard an earful about the campaign, mostly through michael cohen constantly worrying about what the bosses thinking. when the transcript came, there are more than a dozen mentions of the boss. typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had...
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he says he called up trump attorney michael coming. michael cohen told him don't worry about it. now, even though it is this time of night, we do not yet have the official transcript from court today, still. but, we do have a bunch of reporters who were in the courtroom and were who were in the overflow room and able to take detailed notes, which is what i am about to read from. the prosecutor, "did you receive a letter from the federal election commission? david pecker, yes. when i received criminal record, i called up michael coming. said michael, i just received this letter, what do you do about it? michael cohen said jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. i said i am very worried. for the record, attorneys general aren't supposed to fit in the presidents pocket, even if a president with notoriously wide leg pants. still, david pecker testified today trump asked about one of the people whose assignments they had paid for . he said trump asked him in january 2017 before he was inaugurated, "how is our girl doing?" meaning how is karen mcdo
he says he called up trump attorney michael coming. michael cohen told him don't worry about it. now, even though it is this time of night, we do not yet have the official transcript from court today, still. but, we do have a bunch of reporters who were in the courtroom and were who were in the overflow room and able to take detailed notes, which is what i am about to read from. the prosecutor, "did you receive a letter from the federal election commission? david pecker, yes. when i...
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that transaction is then put back on michael cohen and trump because pecker doesn't want to front any more money. what i found extraordinary today, many extraordinary moments, but one of them and i think this was brilliant by the prosecution, really showing how the deal was structured with karen mcdougal, david pecker knew this was a campaign finance violation. the waythy structured that contract for the fitness columns which had an assigned reporter to ghost write them and she was unhappy with her fitness column, the first one. she didn't like it because the ghost writer had mentioned the benefits of vitamin d in the column. she said i want a new ghost writer which david pecker spoke on the stand today. it really kind of drove home for me, joy, that the way they structured that agreement, they were aware of the finance. >> they wanted to be paid back because they didn't want to show it on their books. they were hoping donald trump would persony give back the money, the $150,000. they were going to deduct $25,000, what seas actually getting paid to be our fitness columnist and you're
that transaction is then put back on michael cohen and trump because pecker doesn't want to front any more money. what i found extraordinary today, many extraordinary moments, but one of them and i think this was brilliant by the prosecution, really showing how the deal was structured with karen mcdougal, david pecker knew this was a campaign finance violation. the waythy structured that contract for the fitness columns which had an assigned reporter to ghost write them and she was unhappy with...
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cohen arrangement and places the blame on michael cohen. what david pecker testified to today was the fact that donald trump was intimately involved with the agreement there and was aware of it and called it our agreement, him, michael cohen and stormy daniels, and this was not just a stormy daniels-michael cohen agreement. >> andrew? >> this reminds me, you, me and vaughn feels like four years ago, i think two days ago -- >> 17 years ago, aka yesterday. >> yes. george conway related the same type of story where he and his wife were invited to dinner with jared and ivanka, and he said the president called to say are you watching this? so he clearly was -- this is -- it's exactly the same time frame. but i think vaughn has it exactly right, which is, thank you have the d.a. sort of bringing donald trump directly through direct evidence, it's not through michael cohen, you have a witness saying i spoke to him, this was his reaction. essentially what on god's green earth are you doing? why did you release her and why is she speaking and that e
cohen arrangement and places the blame on michael cohen. what david pecker testified to today was the fact that donald trump was intimately involved with the agreement there and was aware of it and called it our agreement, him, michael cohen and stormy daniels, and this was not just a stormy daniels-michael cohen agreement. >> andrew? >> this reminds me, you, me and vaughn feels like four years ago, i think two days ago -- >> 17 years ago, aka yesterday. >> yes. george...
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there was a conversation after david pecker talked with michael cohen, and michael cohen told him he had not been reimbursed for the stormy daniels payment, he asked david pecker to talk on the sidelines with donald trump, and his testimony here just in the last hour to the jury was that he told donald trump, quote, when i went back to mr. trump's office i said to him that michael cohen is very concerned about his bonus this year and i want you to know he's very loyal. he has been working very hard for you. no explicit statement that there was a specific conversation about stormy daniels, apparently, but at least there was a conversation about the extent to which michael cohen's bonus was a concern and the fact that he had been loyal to him. the question here coming out of the lunch break is does the prosecution hone in on exactly what those conversations between those two actually meant. >> that's what's so interesting. we all know. we have covered this forever now. donald trump doesn't use e-mail. he hasn't used text until relatively recently. there's not a paper trail with donald
there was a conversation after david pecker talked with michael cohen, and michael cohen told him he had not been reimbursed for the stormy daniels payment, he asked david pecker to talk on the sidelines with donald trump, and his testimony here just in the last hour to the jury was that he told donald trump, quote, when i went back to mr. trump's office i said to him that michael cohen is very concerned about his bonus this year and i want you to know he's very loyal. he has been working very...
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he was individual one was michael cohen came into court and pleaded guilty. donald trump is no stranger to being an unindicted something who is named in a criminal document, whether it be an indictment, a complaint. so is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we're seeing is that it's up to -- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, you know what? this affected our state, our county. the attorneys general can do the same thing. you know, going back to why so long, what was the delay all about, i totally agree with what lisa said. i'd like to add to it. i mean, it is no surprise that prosecutors were probably wait ing around to see who was going to be the first to do it because it is scary. it is scary to indict a former president of the united states because he has and will fight like heck at every level. and losing a case, maybe one of the first cases against a former president, would be a crushing defeat. so, in my view, from a social perspective, it was no surprise that in just the last year, once the first indic
he was individual one was michael cohen came into court and pleaded guilty. donald trump is no stranger to being an unindicted something who is named in a criminal document, whether it be an indictment, a complaint. so is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we're seeing is that it's up to -- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, you know what? this affected our state, our county. the attorneys general can do the same thing. you know, going back to...
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he's a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many peopleinate just me and he got in trouble for things outside what he did for me. >> seemed to be in direct violation of the order as it is written. i think it's problematic for him especially while the judge is currently sitting and trying to decide the issue. >> tim, you're no longer on the payroll, man. meanwhile, in washington the supreme court will hear arguments this morning in the historic case involving trump and his claim of absolute presidential immunity. trump's legal team argues that presidents have immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts taken while in office. special counsel jack smith's office contends that presidents are not above the law and that even if they are eligible for immunity for some official acts, trump's efforts to overturn the 2020 election was not an official presidential act. now, trump's immunity claim has already been rejected by two lower courts, and the special counsel argues that justices should send the case ba
he's a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many peopleinate just me and he got in trouble for things outside what he did for me. >> seemed to be in direct violation of the order as it is written. i think it's problematic for him especially while the judge is currently sitting and trying to decide the issue. >> tim, you're no longer on the payroll, man. meanwhile, in washington the supreme court will hear arguments this...
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cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. the escalation is happening even before the verdict or ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> yus, poking the bear quite literally. well, hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with dave pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, no two better people to talk about this with. >>> still ahead tonight i'll talk with congresswoman ilhan omar about the massive protests. tomorrow morning the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump hopes is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that's next. for everything he did while he was president? that's next. these bills are crae has no idea she's sitting on a goldmine. well she doesn't know that if she owns a life insurance policy of $100,000 or more she can sell all or part of it to coventry for cash. even a term policy. even a term policy? even a term policy! find out if you're sitting on a goldmine.
cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. the escalation is happening even before the verdict or ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> yus, poking the bear quite literally. well, hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with dave pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, no two better people to talk about this with. >>> still ahead tonight i'll talk with congresswoman ilhan omar about the massive protests....
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cohen in the stormy daniels payoff case. he is a coconspirator. what is the difference between georgia and arizona? only we don't have a tape recorded telephone call with the secretary of state of arizona. >> yeah. that obviously is a huge piece of evidence that georgia has. it is not clear yet why we have alter egos charged in arizona. but not the ego. the main principle person for whom this is done. the fake electors didn't do this on their own. people like rudy giuliani, the lawyers, they are all staffed to somebody who is the president. but it is unclear what the lack of proof is. for sure it is because they don't have enough direct evidence yet against him. but it is important to note that i stress the word yet. these are state charges regardless of who wins the presidential election. whether it is biden or trump, it doesn't matter because you cannot have a federal pardon of these cases. so these people are going to be going to trial in arizona. what tim is saying so people understand this is no joke. these charges prov
cohen in the stormy daniels payoff case. he is a coconspirator. what is the difference between georgia and arizona? only we don't have a tape recorded telephone call with the secretary of state of arizona. >> yeah. that obviously is a huge piece of evidence that georgia has. it is not clear yet why we have alter egos charged in arizona. but not the ego. the main principle person for whom this is done. the fake electors didn't do this on their own. people like rudy giuliani, the lawyers,...
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cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. so, you know, the escalation is happening even before the verdict or the ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> yes, poking the bear literally. hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow. when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa and bryan, no two better people to talk about this with. thank you for your time. >>> still ahead tonight, i will talk to congresswoman ilhan omar about the protests in gaza. but first, tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. sharp, the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump hopes is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that's next. e he was president? that's next. type 2 diabetes? discover the ozempic® tri-zone. ♪ ♪ i got the power of 3. i lowered my a1c, cv risk, and lost some weight. in studies, the majority of people reached an a1c under 7 and maintained it. i'm under 7. ozempic® lowers the risk of major cardiovascular ev
cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. so, you know, the escalation is happening even before the verdict or the ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> yes, poking the bear literally. hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow. when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa and bryan, no two better people to talk about this with. thank you for your time. >>> still ahead tonight, i will talk to congresswoman ilhan omar about...
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cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. the escalation is happening even before the verdict or the ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> poking the bear, quite literally. hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, thank you both for your time. >>> still ahead tonight, i will talk to congresswoman ilhan omar about the protests on gazan heating up on campuses across the country. >>> tomorrow morning, the supreme court will finally hear arguments on the question donald trump helps is his get out of jail free card. is he immune from prosecution for everything he did while he was president? that is next. is next. ♪♪ imagine a future where plastic is not wasted... but instead remade over and over... into the things that keep our food fresher, our families safer, and our planet cleaner. to help us get there, america's plastic makers are investing billions of dollars to create innovative products and new recycling technologies
cohen that have gotten him in this pickle in the first place. the escalation is happening even before the verdict or the ruling comes out on these existing violations. >> poking the bear, quite literally. hopefully the guardrails will narrow tomorrow when the trial begins again with david pecker on the stand. lisa rubin, brian stelter, thank you both for your time. >>> still ahead tonight, i will talk to congresswoman ilhan omar about the protests on gazan heating up on campuses...
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but michael cohen was a convicted liar. >> now it should be noted, yes, by his own admission michael cohen pleaded guilty to lying to congress and lying to a bank. so trump is not making that part up. but it's important to remember why he committed those crimes and who he did them for. he did it to protect donald trump. cohen lied to congress about business deals trump pursued in russia while he was running for president because trump wanted him to conceal those business deals so his russia baggage wouldn't look so obvious. and cohen lied to a bank to take out a home equity line of credit to pay to silence a woman alleging a sexual relationship with donald trump. namely stormy daniels. trump weirdly keeps leaving out those details when he calls his former personal attorney and fixer a criminal. in clear violation, by the way, of a gag order. tomorrow there will be another chance to hold donald trump accountable in an unprecedented case with farther reaching implications, not just for him but for our democracy. the u.s. supreme court will hear arguments in donald trump versus the unit
but michael cohen was a convicted liar. >> now it should be noted, yes, by his own admission michael cohen pleaded guilty to lying to congress and lying to a bank. so trump is not making that part up. but it's important to remember why he committed those crimes and who he did them for. he did it to protect donald trump. cohen lied to congress about business deals trump pursued in russia while he was running for president because trump wanted him to conceal those business deals so his...
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it is fair to say michael cohen was making furtive tapes of his own. you can expect on cross-examination the defense to attack him for that. trials are not supposed about getting someone or going after someone you like for other reasons. they're supposed to be about finding facts beyond a reasonable doubt, for getting to the truth that is some really, really strong evidence that is why the d.a. mentioned it in their opening. they might have 100 exhibits. they don't go through 100. that would bore a jury to tears. it matters so much because it shows the d.a. argue criminal intent. you don't pay large sums in cash, even in new york, even in real estate when you get up to ones of thousands of dollars. that would be bizarre indeed. donald trump has been around the block. he may know, and you may know when you take out a sum of over 10, 15k, it already creates an alert. you take 15k cash out of the atm, it creates a banking alert. that's how suspicious it is. if you take 130k out, authorities are on to it. that's not always the best idea if you don't want t
it is fair to say michael cohen was making furtive tapes of his own. you can expect on cross-examination the defense to attack him for that. trials are not supposed about getting someone or going after someone you like for other reasons. they're supposed to be about finding facts beyond a reasonable doubt, for getting to the truth that is some really, really strong evidence that is why the d.a. mentioned it in their opening. they might have 100 exhibits. they don't go through 100. that would...
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some will have a lot of baggage like michael cohen. you look for, what are the tent poles of hard evidence? that paralegal is going to take the stand and talk about phone records. that's been alluded to about certain key times. you build a time line of when things happened. it can be so devastating, both in terms of just what happened when, because you -- those records don't lie. you can really place certain things in chronological order. you can obviously show that somebody's implicated. if you notice at the outset of david pecker's testimony, he was asked about his telephone numbers. they want to link up to the records they have. on october 26, just before the election, the prosecutor referenced in his opening two telephone calls between michael cohen and donald trump. right after that, michael cohen creates essential consulting, the vehicle used to pay stormy daniels. there will be a lot of pieces like that. then there are witnesses like hope hicks, where you think -- we think we know the whole story. that is somebody, like david pe
some will have a lot of baggage like michael cohen. you look for, what are the tent poles of hard evidence? that paralegal is going to take the stand and talk about phone records. that's been alluded to about certain key times. you build a time line of when things happened. it can be so devastating, both in terms of just what happened when, because you -- those records don't lie. you can really place certain things in chronological order. you can obviously show that somebody's implicated. if...
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and yesterday he was again on the attack about michael cohen. i suspect we'll see another mix from the d.a.'s office as well. >> and so depending on what they do on his claim of total immunity, they could delay further the january 6 trial by sending it back to the district court, the appeals court here. and stretch that out. and then they could do any number of things, but if they, you know, end up deciding in june before the end of the term that he has total immunity, all these cases go away. >> and i can't see them deciding that based on the law. so checks and balances which everyone learns about in civics means that the president is not able to do whatever he wants, that he has to be accountable including to prosecutors. trump has famously said that he could shoot someone on fifth avenue. he made it as a political statement, but now also trying to make that legal doctrine that he could do anything, not only avoid political consequences but avoid prosecution. and i think that even the most conservative justices are unlikely to share that view.
and yesterday he was again on the attack about michael cohen. i suspect we'll see another mix from the d.a.'s office as well. >> and so depending on what they do on his claim of total immunity, they could delay further the january 6 trial by sending it back to the district court, the appeals court here. and stretch that out. and then they could do any number of things, but if they, you know, end up deciding in june before the end of the term that he has total immunity, all these cases go...
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there was points, michael cohen was the point person in this, but there was -- pecker was describing phone calls where michael cohen would say, you know, put out a story on ben carson and he would send over, you know, some information, and david pecker said they would quote, unquote embellish it at the magazine and run a story but it was story after story after story on ben carson, on ted cruz and this relationship, you know, was mutually beneficial at a point early in their relationship, you know, in the apprentice days, but this just became -- it was clear sitting there from the way david pecker was telling it, they were trying to influence the election at this point. and every time somebody was trending in the polls, one of donald trump's opponents, they would turn up the volume on the negative stories at the "national enquirer,". >> so it is probably not true there were aliens from another dimension living among us when the "national enquirer" was publishing that kind of stuff too. it gives you the level that they were talking about and the things that they were creating. >> and
there was points, michael cohen was the point person in this, but there was -- pecker was describing phone calls where michael cohen would say, you know, put out a story on ben carson and he would send over, you know, some information, and david pecker said they would quote, unquote embellish it at the magazine and run a story but it was story after story after story on ben carson, on ted cruz and this relationship, you know, was mutually beneficial at a point early in their relationship, you...
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he was a lawyer, and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me. and he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. >> that was an interview with a local news station, seems like a potential additional violation of the gag order. we're still waiting on the judge's decision on that gag order. but he did have an interaction with trump's lawyers yesterday in the gag order hearing that gives you a sense of where his head's at, right? he told judge merchan, you are losing all credibility with the court. that moment, lisa mentioned, stood out to all of us who were following along with the proceedings. how unusual is it to have a judge say that to a lawyer in a hearing like this and what do you think he's going to do? >> this is the first time i've ever heard it. i mean, it's key as a lawyer, you advocate for your client, but you need to be credible. you need to come across as being credible and advocate for your client at the same time, so the fact that the judge said this is very, very po
he was a lawyer, and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted liar. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me. and he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me. >> that was an interview with a local news station, seems like a potential additional violation of the gag order. we're still waiting on the judge's decision on that gag order. but he did have an interaction with trump's lawyers yesterday in the gag order hearing that gives you a sense of...
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cohen for and understood that without relying entirely on michael cohen? that remains a little bit to be seen. that's part of the case i'm most looking forward to. the most important part of the case because that's the crime as barbara note td, they have to prove that he falsified business records. >> connect those dots. they have to prove that. sam, it was a bit reliving the 2016 campaign yesterday. ted cruz's father being involved somehow in the jfk assassination. to mika's question, whether it's all a joke, we all laughed at those headlines as a kid at the grocery store. there's some element of reliving all this, which is part of what the biden campaign is hoping through all these cases that people will be reminded of how exhausting and how full of lies the trump years, the trump campaign and the trump presidency were. >> yeah, first of all, i'm surprised that maura would slander the publication's good name. they've broken a few amount of alien love child. does mika have a clause in her contract if she mentions david pecker's name a number of times, a b
cohen for and understood that without relying entirely on michael cohen? that remains a little bit to be seen. that's part of the case i'm most looking forward to. the most important part of the case because that's the crime as barbara note td, they have to prove that he falsified business records. >> connect those dots. they have to prove that. sam, it was a bit reliving the 2016 campaign yesterday. ted cruz's father being involved somehow in the jfk assassination. to mika's question,...
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trump and michael cohen. mr. pecker asaid he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that could hurt plump. atsdsing, what i would do is publish positive stories about mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. ection exposing a series of headlines about then candidate trump and derogatory comments making baseless claims about his opponents including ted cruz. pecker admitted today and also testifying his company paid a doorman $30,000 for a completely untrue story about mr. trump fathering a child with his housekeeper so the doorman couldn't take the story else where, trying to save mr. trump and the campaign the potential embarrassment. >> that was nbc's laura jarrett with that report. and joining us now is former assistant district attorney in manhattan catherine christian, and also an nbc legal analyst. thank you for joining us. let's just get your reaction to the david pecker testimony on the witness stand yesterday. how does it help the prosecution? >> it's very helpful, and it's no
trump and michael cohen. mr. pecker asaid he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that could hurt plump. atsdsing, what i would do is publish positive stories about mr. trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. ection exposing a series of headlines about then candidate trump and derogatory comments making baseless claims about his opponents including ted cruz. pecker admitted today and also testifying his company paid a doorman $30,000 for a completely untrue story...
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he talks about where michael cohen fits in it. this whole scheme rises and falls through michael cohen to donald trump, and he is at the center of it. and i think in a way his testimony is almost blase, oh, yeah, we were acting doing this and doing that, but the national enquirer was an arm of the trump campaign and that comes out clearly in the testimony, and the timingea becomes so interesting, because for example this doorman had an nda that expired the month trump wins the election. you can see why this all about the election. and davidbo pecker is the first witness, he's the most important witness, he's at the center of it all. >>of the reality is that david pecker is going to be cross examined. what questions would you have for me given how thorough, and he was so matter of fact in delivering the information to the o courtroom to the jurors. what would your sort of strategy be if you're trump's defense? >> a large part of this is he had immunity. there's a reason why they have immunity. they havehey exposure. and if you have
he talks about where michael cohen fits in it. this whole scheme rises and falls through michael cohen to donald trump, and he is at the center of it. and i think in a way his testimony is almost blase, oh, yeah, we were acting doing this and doing that, but the national enquirer was an arm of the trump campaign and that comes out clearly in the testimony, and the timingea becomes so interesting, because for example this doorman had an nda that expired the month trump wins the election. you can...
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trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her story and her silence but, here's the asterisk, which is great, trump was supposed to repay p ecker, he wasn't just doing this as charity. he was the pass-through, if you will. but trump did what he always does, he stiffed him on the bill $150,000, which is why michael cohen was the one forced to pay stormy daniels out of his own pocket. that, of course, is why trump was ultimately in court today. msnbc legal correspondent wasn't watching from inside the courtroom, andrew rice also in the courtroom today, he is a writer near magazine where he just profil
trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her...
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and that is, he is taking the weight off of michael cohen. it will be the defense actually who will try to build up the importance of cohen. prosecution doesn't have to. combination of basically setting the stage for explaining why they ended up doing what they did with stormy daniels. and, basically explaining, and the paper work. you don't need that much from cohen. so it is a pretty, it is a pretty powerful presentation. we will see how he does on cross. >> what will the defense do in try to destroy his credibility? when you are the publisher of one of the biggest lab toyed ins the world for decades there will be holes to fill. >> i guess there are. but i mean whose buddy was he? >> yes. yes. >> so i'm not sure how they will do that. i'm sure they have something. but if acts with the demeanor and the calmness that he has been showing in the courtroom and doesn't try to fight on cross and do the things you don't want witnesses to do on cross like get defensive. just stick to the facts. you can see what you have to concede. he could end up,
and that is, he is taking the weight off of michael cohen. it will be the defense actually who will try to build up the importance of cohen. prosecution doesn't have to. combination of basically setting the stage for explaining why they ended up doing what they did with stormy daniels. and, basically explaining, and the paper work. you don't need that much from cohen. so it is a pretty, it is a pretty powerful presentation. we will see how he does on cross. >> what will the defense do in...
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when did michael cohen post something, when did trump post something? so, and there was, and so, if trump is angling for something, he is going to steer it on his own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us. thank you all very much for joining us in this discussion tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> and coming up, joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida. the president was in florida today. senator elizabeth warren says voters on every state should be concerned about abortion bans. senator warren joins us next. n . febreze has a microchip to control scent release so it smells first-day fresh for 50 days. 50 days!? and its refill reminder light means i'll never miss a day of freshness. ♪ let's get the rest of these plants in. organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it's the martha stewart of soil. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white pro
when did michael cohen post something, when did trump post something? so, and there was, and so, if trump is angling for something, he is going to steer it on his own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us. thank you all very much for joining us in this discussion tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> and coming up, joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida. the president was in florida today. senator elizabeth warren says voters on every...
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michael cohen would call me and say we would like you to run a negative article on ted cruz. he would send me information about ted cruz or ben carson or marco rubio. that was the basis of our story and we would embellish it from there. steinglass said you would said we would like to you to run a story on the political opponent. who did you understand we to be referring to? michael cohen always told me he was not part of the campaign so i assumed he was talking to mr. trump. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. and the national enquirer were by his own admission influencing the 2016 campaign at the direction of his lawyer. then there was what prosecutors allege was doing behind the scene to help trump's campaign. today prosecutors asked mr. about two negative stories about donald trump. stories that the national enquirer purchased the exclusive rights to and then sat on so the accusations against trump would not come out before the election. a process that is now known publicly as catch and kill. the first of these involved a doorman who alle
michael cohen would call me and say we would like you to run a negative article on ted cruz. he would send me information about ted cruz or ben carson or marco rubio. that was the basis of our story and we would embellish it from there. steinglass said you would said we would like to you to run a story on the political opponent. who did you understand we to be referring to? michael cohen always told me he was not part of the campaign so i assumed he was talking to mr. trump. when he said we, i...
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trump and his former fixer, michael cohen, he said he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that would hurt trump. he said what i would do is publish positive stories about trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. the prosecution showing the jury a series of glowing headlines about then canada trump and derogatory ones about trump's opponents in closing -- including ted cruz. he also testified his company paid a doorman $30,000 for completely untrue story about mr. trump fathering a child with his housekeeper, so the doorman couldn't take the story elsewhere, trying to save mr. trump and the campaign, the potential in person -- embarrassment. the state seeking to hold mr. trump in the criminal contempt for violating the judges gag order that bars him from attacking trial witnesses. >> so they can talk about me and say whatever they want, they can live and i'm not allowed to say anything. i'd love to see everything that's on my mind. >> the defense argued that trump should be permitted to respond to political attacks and the gag order should not cover repost of
trump and his former fixer, michael cohen, he said he agreed to serve as the eyes and ears for rumors that would hurt trump. he said what i would do is publish positive stories about trump and publish negative stories about his opponents. the prosecution showing the jury a series of glowing headlines about then canada trump and derogatory ones about trump's opponents in closing -- including ted cruz. he also testified his company paid a doorman $30,000 for completely untrue story about mr....
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when did michael cohen post something? when did trump post something? and so it shows that if trump is angling for something the judge is going to steer it on its own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us, since there is no trial scheduled for tomorrow. turn 24, andrew weissman, neal katyal, thank you. really appreciate it. >>> joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida where republican a portion abortion ban goes into effect. elizabeth warren says voters should be concerned about abortion bans. senator warren joins us next. a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it's like the feeling of finding you're so ready for your close-up. or finding you don't have to hide your skin just your background. once-daily sotyktu was proven better, getting more people clearer skin than the leading pill. don't take if you're allergic to sotyktu; serious reactions can occur. sotyktu can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections, cancers including lymphoma,
when did michael cohen post something? when did trump post something? and so it shows that if trump is angling for something the judge is going to steer it on its own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us, since there is no trial scheduled for tomorrow. turn 24, andrew weissman, neal katyal, thank you. really appreciate it. >>> joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida where republican a portion abortion ban goes into effect. elizabeth warren says voters...
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witnesses in the oval office with michael cohen, that's not helpful. if a witness says trump was meticulous in signing his checks, and wasn't a passive player that's not helpful. there's nobody the prosecution is lining up that will helpful. josh stein glass and chris conroy, they know what they are doing. so i am overwhelmingly confident donald trump is in trouble, but it is the burden of the prosecution. that's what we started off with , how important david is invalidating how important this is about otherwise why would you sign off, who cares about hush money? there needs to be some nexus, and that is what these witnesses will show. >> do you have suspicion of what they might do? >> of david-pecker? i think they are going to do everything they can to show he is a liar, that what he is saying is not only ill- informed, but he got a nonprosecution agreement, that his hand was forced, and he's trying to cover his basis by lying. it's really the only move they have. poke holes in the case, one witness at a time, and that's what they will be doing with d
witnesses in the oval office with michael cohen, that's not helpful. if a witness says trump was meticulous in signing his checks, and wasn't a passive player that's not helpful. there's nobody the prosecution is lining up that will helpful. josh stein glass and chris conroy, they know what they are doing. so i am overwhelmingly confident donald trump is in trouble, but it is the burden of the prosecution. that's what we started off with , how important david is invalidating how important this...
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michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the substance of this is what the inquirer did not practice -- did not publish as part of a practice known as catch and kill. culminating in a 2015 meeting -- >> reporter: tonight a person with the matter tells nbc news that candidate trump was in the room when the national enquirer publisher discussed ways that ami could help quash negative stories about mr. trump's relationships with women. >> that was from 2018 when the meeting was first reported. in that meeting in august he told trump through michael cohen that anything i hear in the mar
michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the...
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and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just materialize overnight. there was litigation. there was motion practice that happened that this indictment survived because a lot of people want to say there's nothing here. there's no there there. donald trump whipping out like a toddler, look at all of my friends saying there's no crime here. well, jonathan turley is not the gold standard for that. so what happened is when you heard the testimony through pecker that there was a conspiracy, and the conspiracy existed with the defendant and michael cohen, and now david pecker, and you heard that the purpose of all of these catch and kill were to insure ther
and michael cohen was the go between. to your point, this is setting up the cohen testimony. >> how is that a crime? that's what the prosecutor has to prove. catch and kill is unseemly, gross, but it's not illegal. >> that's why the new york statute that was previewed previously in the motions that were dealt with prior to this case surviving the motions to dismiss, because you know, this is important. trials don't just materialize overnight. there was litigation. there was motion...
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we know that's one of the things we expect to hear from michael cohen, but directing what? and what very clearly unfolds in david pecker's testimony is, you know, we didn't do catch and kill before 2015, which is not illegal. catch and kills are not illegal. he sees a business interest for himself and a benefit to the campaign if he writes positive stories about donald trump as a candidate, and negative stories about other candidates. and that evolves, and he starts laying out the picture, and they also provide all of the headlines coming from "national enquirer," you know, positive pour trump but negative for other candidates. but as these allegations start to arrive, the people have stories like dino the doorman and karen mcdougal, you know, all of it becomes something to help the campaign by ensuring these stories don't come out. but that's the key point, to help donald trump's campaign. it comes out in different ways over and over and over again. and if you're a member of that jury, i'm sitting there, i'm thinking that jury is thinking oh, well, this is a pretty clear -
we know that's one of the things we expect to hear from michael cohen, but directing what? and what very clearly unfolds in david pecker's testimony is, you know, we didn't do catch and kill before 2015, which is not illegal. catch and kills are not illegal. he sees a business interest for himself and a benefit to the campaign if he writes positive stories about donald trump as a candidate, and negative stories about other candidates. and that evolves, and he starts laying out the picture, and...
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michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved notifying mr. cohen about negativetories about women, what was the objective of that. david pecker, as i did in the past, when i notified michael cohen of a negative story, he would try to vet it himself to see if it is true or not and then go to the individual publication to make sure it wasn't getting published an getting killed. brag team, prior to that meeting have you ever purchased atory to the to print it? pecker, no. brag team. and how did that part of it, not publishing the stories help you? pecker, it didn't. crazy. >> fake f
michael cohen was pleased. you started to allude that to some extent this arrangement you came to at trump tower was mutually beneficial. you could explain what you meant by that. in writing positive stories about mr. trump and writing negative stores about his opponents it would increase news stand sales for the "national enquirer" so for me that was my benefit and then in publishing the stories it would benefit his campaign. brag team, the portion of the agreement that involved...
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cohen and what he believed michael cohen was doing. and also not to mention the relationship he had with donald trump and direct conversations he had with trump about what they were doing in the 2016 campaign. >> i think david pecker is a far more important witness that many people appreciate. not only because he can speak as you just noted to the formation of the conspiracy that the d.a.'s office wants the jury to buy into, but because at multiple points in time, he talked to trump directly including with respect to whether it was worth it to buy karen mcdougle's story at a point in time that enquirer ceo and chief content officer, dylan howard, had already flown to california to interview mcdougle about her story. decided essentially that she was credible after which point trump calls pecker and said what do you think we should do. i also thought that it was a fascinating introduction to the world of tabloid journalism. it was like pecker was emptying the contents of his head about the lexicon and standard practices tabloid journalis
cohen and what he believed michael cohen was doing. and also not to mention the relationship he had with donald trump and direct conversations he had with trump about what they were doing in the 2016 campaign. >> i think david pecker is a far more important witness that many people appreciate. not only because he can speak as you just noted to the formation of the conspiracy that the d.a.'s office wants the jury to buy into, but because at multiple points in time, he talked to trump...
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but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please shut up. please just do your testifying in the courtroom, but the prosecutor does not control michael cohen. i'm not sure anyone controls michael cohen. so he's not doing the prosecution that he favors in a way that makes his testimony even more credible. although we know at the same time, that he now des dispiezs trump. with regard to the testimony of cohen, they want to hit it and quit it. >> paul and danny, i don't know what the rest of the trial holds when they reconvene on thursday, but the start of this has been pretty dog gone interesting. thank you both. i'm sure we'll speak again very s
but i want to ask you about michael cohen. michael cohen knows he has a credibility problem. michael cohen has spent a lot of time with these prosecutors, right? they've had the conversations but he took a profane swipe at trump on x. wrote among other things you are attacks stink of desperation. we are all hoping you take the stand in your defense. if you're the prosecutor who's calling cohen to the stand, what are you thinking when you see that? >> i'm thinking michael cohen, please...