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you can't do this just on the shoulders of michael cohen and thighs on the shoulders of michael cohen, right? to everything else around him to lift him up. otherwise, there is no correct? right. you can't you can't have it i know he has long felt that they were going to do that and that he would be he would say it but then they would prove it separately from one of the side. he's he's critical, but everything around him and stew. one thing that is david pecker is our walked off the stand, men had been friends. >> again, we put that in quotes, but friends such that they were friends over decades, they have not spoken since the beginning of 2019, according to pecker's testimony. so do you think they'll ever speak again? i mean, trump has said nice things about him this way. if you look at how once pecker told his tail that he was required to he also had to make friends with trump again more like from the godfather, it's personal business and this is kind of that relationship. >> anyways, those are pretty up description yeah. >> all right. well, thank you all very much and next to trump
you can't do this just on the shoulders of michael cohen and thighs on the shoulders of michael cohen, right? to everything else around him to lift him up. otherwise, there is no correct? right. you can't you can't have it i know he has long felt that they were going to do that and that he would be he would say it but then they would prove it separately from one of the side. he's he's critical, but everything around him and stew. one thing that is david pecker is our walked off the stand, men...
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the jury heard the granular details about the shell company, michael cohen used to pay stormy daniels her hush money. remember, prosecutors have to prove that when trump paid cohen back, he falsified business records so voters would never know. >> aaron, thank you. >>> now to the campus protest officials the war in at columbia where students are facing a deadline, late word on the status of the talks. stephanie ramos at columbia tonight. >> reporter: -- to washington -- -- to texas tonight, campus protests against the war in gaza spreading, with no end in sight. >> free, free palestine! >> reporter: at ohio state overnight, police clashing with pro-palestinian protestors, 36 arrested. >> let us in, let us in. >> they're being labelled as anti-semitics which is really, really a false statement in so far as so many of the student organizers, myself included, are jewish. >> bring them home! >> outside columbia university, pro israel protesters calling for the release of hostages. >> the release of hostages must come first and foremost to end the suffering on both sides. >> today, jewish
the jury heard the granular details about the shell company, michael cohen used to pay stormy daniels her hush money. remember, prosecutors have to prove that when trump paid cohen back, he falsified business records so voters would never know. >> aaron, thank you. >>> now to the campus protest officials the war in at columbia where students are facing a deadline, late word on the status of the talks. stephanie ramos at columbia tonight. >> reporter: -- to washington -- --...
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cohen tried opening a bank account under the name resolution consultants llc. that's the same account that former american media ceo and president david pecker testified cohen nearly used to reimburse him. for purchasing the lifetime rights to former playboy model karen macdougall's story about an alleged affair with trump who said again tonight this trial is politically motivated. >> we sit here day after day after day, which is their plan because they think they might be able to eke out an election. >> today pecker wrapped up his testimony, telling the court, quote: i have been truthful to the best of my recollection. former president trump's lawyers exposed inconsistencies with pecker's testimony about whether or not trump thanked him for suppressing stories. pecker says he now believes he violated federal election law while suppressing macdougall's story. trump's long-time executive ronna graph also took the stand today describing the former president as a formal and respectable boss for 34 years. maintained contacts including those of mcdo you go and adult
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else will and then michael cohen would handle by them or trying to make sure that they don't ever get published unquote. so even if the term catch and kill wasn't used you wrote a book called catch and kill. is that not catching gill that is the definition of this colloquial term that has emerged around this catch and kill, which was a term that i and other journalists around this first started during from ami employees it was something of what's called a neologism. >> it entered into the discourse partly through this, and it was a practice the enquirer had engaged in for a long time, this sort of stick and karatay we'll buy up the unflattering stories. maybe we won't run them. also. will run flattering stories about you. they had done that if hollywood celebrities in the past, and here they were clearly applying it in a political context and it was apparent to all of us digging through the trail of money on this, that even if the underlying rumors about a fares are supposed, love children, didn't matter at all and we didn't care what did matter was the potential flexion line implicat
else will and then michael cohen would handle by them or trying to make sure that they don't ever get published unquote. so even if the term catch and kill wasn't used you wrote a book called catch and kill. is that not catching gill that is the definition of this colloquial term that has emerged around this catch and kill, which was a term that i and other journalists around this first started during from ami employees it was something of what's called a neologism. >> it entered into the...
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michael cohen. from michael cohen, maybe it's not as salacious, but this is actually what the trial and the crime itself. >> it is michael cohen was contacting this bank because he they'd been having this discussion about ami and david pecker is the firewood owned the national enquirer? >> yes. they've been having the discussion on them making the payment to stormy daniels and essentially david pecker or didn't want anything to do it. he did not want to be in cahoots with a porn star making this payment to her. and it came to this point where michael cohen was trying to reach trump. he was under pressure to do this and finally said, i'm just going to do it myself and drew down a home equity line that's why this exchange happening right now pharaoh received another email two days later, please return michael cohen's call when you are available today regarding an important merit, a matter pharaoh calls cohen who told him he wanted to open a new llc account. >> cohen said the account was for capital re
michael cohen. from michael cohen, maybe it's not as salacious, but this is actually what the trial and the crime itself. >> it is michael cohen was contacting this bank because he they'd been having this discussion about ami and david pecker is the firewood owned the national enquirer? >> yes. they've been having the discussion on them making the payment to stormy daniels and essentially david pecker or didn't want anything to do it. he did not want to be in cahoots with a porn...
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david pecker testified just a moment ago when he called michael cohen about this fec letter, that michael cohen said in response, quote, jeff sessions is the attorney general and trump has him in his pocket. in that david pecker is saying, let him to question whether michael cohen was somebody who would exaggerate statements, because he knew that donald trump didn't have jeff sessions in his pocket. all of this is an effort here apparently by the defense team for donald trump in front of the jury here to question michael cohen's credibility and the statements who is the key witness before they get to the point that michael cohen's credibility is something they should question. >> are prosecutors trying to establish the payments had a campaign connection? isn't that essential to the -- >> if they can't, there you go. that's going to be the end of the case. i'm not in the courtroom, but i'm reading the -- what we call the google doc. the defense attorney is doing an excellent cross-examination. his job as to this cross is to create reasonable doubt. he is trying to do that. he is simultaneo
david pecker testified just a moment ago when he called michael cohen about this fec letter, that michael cohen said in response, quote, jeff sessions is the attorney general and trump has him in his pocket. in that david pecker is saying, let him to question whether michael cohen was somebody who would exaggerate statements, because he knew that donald trump didn't have jeff sessions in his pocket. all of this is an effort here apparently by the defense team for donald trump in front of the...
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if anyone should buy it, pecker said, it should be donald trump and michael cohen. trump's former fixer. pecker says when he told cohen, quote, he was upset and responded that the boss, referring to trump, would be furious with me. pecker said he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on "60 minutes." >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said, we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging pecker's credibility and business practices. at a campaign event earlier in the day, mr. trump addressed the testimony of his long-time friend. >> david has been very nice, a nice guy. >> did you know about the payment to stormy daniels before the
if anyone should buy it, pecker said, it should be donald trump and michael cohen. trump's former fixer. pecker says when he told cohen, quote, he was upset and responded that the boss, referring to trump, would be furious with me. pecker said he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified...
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the defense, not as bad as michael cohen, he is someone who is not adversarial but could help not just the prosecution, but -- >> and that is why trump felt optimistic. >> right. >> there was one thing david said that was significant and one stood out when we was sitting outside listening when we were watching the school across the screen, he testifies that at first trump's focus on negative stories which we pointed out, had been about his wife, his daughter, how he was be perceived in his family. but then he said after the campaign started it shifted and it was what the impact would be on the election. and black and white the motive right there. how significant is that one lying. >> i think it is very significant because people thought that this case was going to rest on the credibility of michael cohen and stormy daniels lab their own issues. really what david perker provided was this overall context that this was about the campaign. this was all about helping the campaign and he said over and over again during his testimony they knew that would be a campaign, a federal election viol
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and we heard an earful about the campaign, mostly through michael cohen constantly worrying about what the bosses thinking. when the transcript came, there are more than a dozen mentions of the boss. typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had more important things to worry about, having the jury hear the boss again and again and again, a dozen times, doesn't help his case. there was a fascinating moment when the jury saw after trump was elected, trump in the white house with david pecker , at trump's invitation. his dinner, trump put it. and this was the conversation that they had. >> this photograph was entered into evidence today. >> yes. the jury was looking at this photograph when david pecker was narrating, and i have the transept in front of me. did the subject of karen mcdougal, but all? at the time of the dinner, mr. trump as
and we heard an earful about the campaign, mostly through michael cohen constantly worrying about what the bosses thinking. when the transcript came, there are more than a dozen mentions of the boss. typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had...
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cohen is and what a loose cannon michael cohen can be and i have had plenty of contact with michael cohen over the years. i think that i understand and empathize with all the reasons he is in a difficult, stressful position right now to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team. finally announced, i'm going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast and talking about their because he was just sort of spouting vulgarities all the time about trump he had started a fundraising campaign. these were all things that made prosecutors nervous about positioning him as a meaningful witness in this case. >> so as we obviously weight that testimony, there was a ruling today that i know you think could matter for trump, and this was the new york state top court overruling the harvey weinstein convictions. state of new york. i mean, it was a bombshell. just went hit this morning. people saying, wow. all right. now you want to pull it serve for your work you exposed so many of the
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in the final weeks of the campaign, pecker said he told trump's fixer michael cohen daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, "i am not going to get involved with a porn star.
in the final weeks of the campaign, pecker said he told trump's fixer michael cohen daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, "i am not going to get involved with a porn star.
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in the final weeks of the campaign, pecker said he told trump's fixer michael cohen daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, "i am not going to get involved with a porn star. i am not a bank." ultimately, cohen himself paid daniels $130,000 to keep quiet. prosecutors say trump paid cohen back, falsely labeling it as legal expenses. trump has denied both affairs. his lawyers claim any effort to bury salacious stories was to protect trump's family. but pecker testifying that's not what he thought. "i thought it was for the campaign," he told the jury. "his family was never mentioned," only "the impact it would have upon the election." david, pecker showed trump no hostility, in fact, even though it has been five years since pecker said he last saw trump, he still considers him to be a friend. cross examination is just getting started, whit, so, david becker returns here to the witness stand tomorrow. whit? >> whit: aaron, thank you. >>> next tonight, the stunning reversal in the sexual assault convict of harvey weinstein, the case
in the final weeks of the campaign, pecker said he told trump's fixer michael cohen daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, "i am not going to get involved with a porn star. i am not a bank." ultimately, cohen himself paid daniels $130,000 to keep quiet. prosecutors say trump paid cohen back, falsely labeling it as legal expenses. trump has denied both affairs. his lawyers claim any effort to bury salacious stories was to...
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pecker clarified those concerns came from himself and trump's former lawyer, michael cohen. not trump, who says this trial is politically motivated. >> today was breath-taking in this room. you saw what went on. it was breath-taking. and amazing testimony. this is a trial that should have never happened. this is a case that should have never been filed. >> pecker eventually backed out of a reimbursement deal with cohen for the rights to macdougall's story over legal concerns. then, after pecker refused to pay adult film actress stormy daniels for her story cohen paid daniels $130,000. when pecker later asked trump about paying cohen back at cohen's request he said the former president had no idea what pecker was talking about. during today's morning session, the manhattan's d.a. was office submitted four more examples where prosecutors argued trump broke the judge's gag order. membermerchan will vote whethert to hold him in contempt of court. >> i am glad i was here it was a very interesting day in a certain way. >> there will be a hearing about the gag order on wednesday of
pecker clarified those concerns came from himself and trump's former lawyer, michael cohen. not trump, who says this trial is politically motivated. >> today was breath-taking in this room. you saw what went on. it was breath-taking. and amazing testimony. this is a trial that should have never happened. this is a case that should have never been filed. >> pecker eventually backed out of a reimbursement deal with cohen for the rights to macdougall's story over legal concerns. then,...
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it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative around him as sort of working exclusive pro trump and exclusively for the purposes of the election, one of the things he testified about, i believe on direct earlier today was he said that in a meeting with trump, there was no reference to trump's family, right? no reference to trump's family in that meeting, which he wasn't doing this. he wasn't wanting to suppress the stormy daniels they'll story where the karen mcdougal story on behalf of his wife, protecting his wife or his kids. it was just about his campaign that that is what the da's office is goi
it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative...
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he was individual one was michael cohen came into court and pleaded guilty. donald trump is no stranger to being an unindicted something who is named in a criminal document, whether it be an indictment, a complaint. so is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we're seeing is that it's up to -- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, you know what? this affected our state, our county. the attorneys general can do the same thing. you know, going back to why so long, what was the delay all about, i totally agree with what lisa said. i'd like to add to it. i mean, it is no surprise that prosecutors were probably wait ing around to see who was going to be the first to do it because it is scary. it is scary to indict a former president of the united states because he has and will fight like heck at every level. and losing a case, maybe one of the first cases against a former president, would be a crushing defeat. so, in my view, from a social perspective, it was no surprise that in just the last year, once the first indic
he was individual one was michael cohen came into court and pleaded guilty. donald trump is no stranger to being an unindicted something who is named in a criminal document, whether it be an indictment, a complaint. so is this bad for donald trump? yeah. i mean, what we're seeing is that it's up to -- when you talk about the several states, any county prosecutor could decide, you know what? this affected our state, our county. the attorneys general can do the same thing. you know, going back to...
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cohen is in his testimony, he turned rat on then michael cohen and that's why michael cohen went to jail so it could have been just as easily them sweating pecker and he could have gone to jail. >> so so everything everything will come out. >> i think everything he has nothing to hold back. he's probably relieved that he can actually honestly tell the truth so jeremy, you've been inside the courtroom, right? so you've seen trump as pecker started the start testimony, we've seen a bit up. you've seen trump watching pecker, pecker watching trump, each of them watching the other one watch. i mean, you're really getting the dynamics and the body language here. so what is your sense about how they feel about each other guys have known each other for decades, were friends? yeah. >> as much of a sense of the word is probably either one of them have friends. >> now far from it the one there was really only one light moment in court on tuesday and that was when the prosecutor just steinglass, he asked david pecker two it's basically identified donald trump, who is donald trump in the courtro
cohen is in his testimony, he turned rat on then michael cohen and that's why michael cohen went to jail so it could have been just as easily them sweating pecker and he could have gone to jail. >> so so everything everything will come out. >> i think everything he has nothing to hold back. he's probably relieved that he can actually honestly tell the truth so jeremy, you've been inside the courtroom, right? so you've seen trump as pecker started the start testimony, we've seen a...
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dealt with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again and putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. >> thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely to be cross-examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen mcdougal deals. but the one that actually paved the way for them in this deal, they had before the election, the first story that the national enquirer allegedly intercepted for trump in regards to the election. here's randi kaye about a year before the 2016 election, former trump tower doorman, dino sajudin, suddenly got $30,000 richer. >> the national enquirer, but exclusive rights to a fake story. he was peddling about a so-called loved child fathered out of wedlock by donald trump with his housekeeper. there was a pattern that first $30,000 was paid to a trump tower doorman to squash a rumor that trump
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cohen in the stormy daniels payoff case. he is a coconspirator. what is the difference between georgia and arizona? only we don't have a tape recorded telephone call with the secretary of state of arizona. >> yeah. that obviously is a huge piece of evidence that georgia has. it is not clear yet why we have alter egos charged in arizona. but not the ego. the main principle person for whom this is done. the fake electors didn't do this on their own. people like rudy giuliani, the lawyers, they are all staffed to somebody who is the president. but it is unclear what the lack of proof is. for sure it is because they don't have enough direct evidence yet against him. but it is important to note that i stress the word yet. these are state charges regardless of who wins the presidential election. whether it is biden or trump, it doesn't matter because you cannot have a federal pardon of these cases. so these people are going to be going to trial in arizona. what tim is saying so people understand this is no joke. these charges prov
cohen in the stormy daniels payoff case. he is a coconspirator. what is the difference between georgia and arizona? only we don't have a tape recorded telephone call with the secretary of state of arizona. >> yeah. that obviously is a huge piece of evidence that georgia has. it is not clear yet why we have alter egos charged in arizona. but not the ego. the main principle person for whom this is done. the fake electors didn't do this on their own. people like rudy giuliani, the lawyers,...
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he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out. what i think they may do is not cross-examine him in a hostile way and say, you were just a businessman you were doing what you thought was good for the enquirer and maybe helping your friend, you didn't think you were committing a crime, did you? and i think that is often more effective than beating someone up and saying you're a liar, you're in that i think is probably the most, most effective way to deal with them. and the thing about pecker though, is this whole deal has been a nightmare for him. >> i mean he was a lot more successful businessman in 2016 tha
he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out....
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they were with michael cohen and he was operating off the books. but as you remember, jake, there were plenty of contacts, not plenty, but a few contexts between pecker and donald trump. >> le, stick around while the hush money trial resumes in new york tomorrow, the us supreme court is also going to hear arguments tomorrow on whether trump should get the ultimate trump card when it comes to some of the most scathing charges against him, the justices are facing a momentous question. they have never had to answer before. can a former president be immune from criminal liability for his actions while he was while he was in office. this all stems, of course, from trump challenging special counsel jack smith's federal for election subversion case. let's bring in cnns, audie cornish and joan biskupic. joan, do you have any insight into how you think the justices might rule? >> well, you started off, right? this is untested, but back in the 1980s, the justices did rule in a case that involved civil immunity and said that former president richard nixon at
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cohen and stormy daniels sleazebags, calling michael cohen a serial perjurer. but what's happening in manhattan is not even trump's biggest legal battle of the week. tomorrow, the supreme court, the us supreme court is set to hear arguments in trump's presidential immunity case. and with me now to discuss former federal prosecutor jean rossi, as well as former chief assistant district attorney in the manhattan district attorney's office. karen friedman, agnifilo. karen is of council for a firm that represents michael cohen, but she has no contact with golan, does not work on his case. and there are no restrictions on what you can say about the case. we just wanted to make sure you knew that karen if court is not in session today, does it make it doesn't make it more likely that judge merchan is it's going to issue this ruling on trump's possible gag order violations. and if not, then when judge for sean has what's called a calendar day, all his other cases are on the calendar today, so he's dealing with those matters. he certainly could issue a ruling in this c
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and yesterday he was again on the attack about michael cohen. i suspect we'll see another mix from the d.a.'s office as well. >> and so depending on what they do on his claim of total immunity, they could delay further the january 6 trial by sending it back to the district court, the appeals court here. and stretch that out. and then they could do any number of things, but if they, you know, end up deciding in june before the end of the term that he has total immunity, all these cases go away. >> and i can't see them deciding that based on the law. so checks and balances which everyone learns about in civics means that the president is not able to do whatever he wants, that he has to be accountable including to prosecutors. trump has famously said that he could shoot someone on fifth avenue. he made it as a political statement, but now also trying to make that legal doctrine that he could do anything, not only avoid political consequences but avoid prosecution. and i think that even the most conservative justices are unlikely to share that view.
and yesterday he was again on the attack about michael cohen. i suspect we'll see another mix from the d.a.'s office as well. >> and so depending on what they do on his claim of total immunity, they could delay further the january 6 trial by sending it back to the district court, the appeals court here. and stretch that out. and then they could do any number of things, but if they, you know, end up deciding in june before the end of the term that he has total immunity, all these cases go...
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cohen for and understood that without relying entirely on michael cohen? that remains a little bit to be seen. that's part of the case i'm most looking forward to. the most important part of the case because that's the crime as barbara note td, they have to prove that he falsified business records. >> connect those dots. they have to prove that. sam, it was a bit reliving the 2016 campaign yesterday. ted cruz's father being involved somehow in the jfk assassination. to mika's question, whether it's all a joke, we all laughed at those headlines as a kid at the grocery store. there's some element of reliving all this, which is part of what the biden campaign is hoping through all these cases that people will be reminded of how exhausting and how full of lies the trump years, the trump campaign and the trump presidency were. >> yeah, first of all, i'm surprised that maura would slander the publication's good name. they've broken a few amount of alien love child. does mika have a clause in her contract if she mentions david pecker's name a number of times, a b
cohen for and understood that without relying entirely on michael cohen? that remains a little bit to be seen. that's part of the case i'm most looking forward to. the most important part of the case because that's the crime as barbara note td, they have to prove that he falsified business records. >> connect those dots. they have to prove that. sam, it was a bit reliving the 2016 campaign yesterday. ted cruz's father being involved somehow in the jfk assassination. to mika's question,...
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cohen. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers back now with the panel including cnn's john berman has been going through the trial transcript, which just came out and as glean more details from it. so john, what stands out again, this is the transcript, so there's a lot to go through here, but but it does provide more details even some of the word choice that both the prosecutors and david pecker uses. this is where they talk about the august 2015 meeting between donald trump, michael cohen, hope hicks is in there for a period of time, and david pecker, the prosecutor, josh steinglass, asked, well, can you describe for the jury what happened to that meeting? please? pecker responds at that meeting, donald trump and michael, they asked me what i can do and what my magazines could do to help the campaign. so thinking about it as i previously, i said what i would do is that was run or publish positive stories about mr. trump, and i would publish negative stories about his opponents i said
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that michael cohen was true? truly acting on donald trump's behalf, you can't assume you're right maybe michael cohen was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael conferences. cohen is going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong in the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and actually paid attention to a lot of the mundane details of this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up that according to cohen and we're oh, and will probably testifies that donald trump is breathing down his neck. very closely following the karen mcdougal. >> he talked about how he would sit with trump
that michael cohen was true? truly acting on donald trump's behalf, you can't assume you're right maybe michael cohen was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael conferences. cohen is going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong in...
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trump was asking michael cohen did we hear anything yet? also testified that trump called him directly about the mcdougall story but then the candidate saying i spoke to michael and, quote, he told me about karen and trump said to me, what do you think? p ecker he said trump to push the mcdougall story pick former edison are will resume his testimony we have the day off tomorrow for the trial but we already know how the story ends, the inquirer paid mcdougall 150 grand for the rights to her story and her silence but, here's the asterisk, which is great, trump was supposed to repay p ecker, he wasn't just doing this as charity. he was the pass-through, if you will. but trump did what he always does, he stiffed him on the bill $150,000, which is why michael cohen was the one forced to pay stormy daniels out of his own pocket. that, of course, is why trump was ultimately in court today. msnbc legal correspondent wasn't watching from inside the courtroom, andrew rice also in the courtroom today, he is a writer near magazine where he just profil
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cohen over i did over the last several years, i would notify michael cohen and then he would be able to have then kill in another magazine or have them not published, or somebody would have to purchase them. steinglass asked purchased the negative stories about mr. trump, so they would not get published. me. you mean pecker response that they would not get published? yes and i'm jeff, what's the significance of that? i don't know. i'm sorry. i know i know. i'm not jeff, but like what's the okay. what's the crime? okay. so fine. there they're working hand-in-hand to have some influence on an election. here's, we've been here for an hour, right? here's what i would like to know. i still don't exactly know what the secondary crime is. we heard that there's this misdemeanor that only lives because the statute of past only lives if there's a felony. my friends says that it's state election law. the professor says it's tax law many other people say it's federal election law. it is. and that's why this case has to be very upset. and if it was barack obama sitting there with the same charges
cohen over i did over the last several years, i would notify michael cohen and then he would be able to have then kill in another magazine or have them not published, or somebody would have to purchase them. steinglass asked purchased the negative stories about mr. trump, so they would not get published. me. you mean pecker response that they would not get published? yes and i'm jeff, what's the significance of that? i don't know. i'm sorry. i know i know. i'm not jeff, but like what's the...
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when did michael cohen post something, when did trump post something? so, and there was, and so, if trump is angling for something, he is going to steer it on his own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us. thank you all very much for joining us in this discussion tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> and coming up, joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida. the president was in florida today. senator elizabeth warren says voters on every state should be concerned about abortion bans. senator warren joins us next. n . febreze has a microchip to control scent release so it smells first-day fresh for 50 days. 50 days!? and its refill reminder light means i'll never miss a day of freshness. ♪ let's get the rest of these plants in. organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it's the martha stewart of soil. everybody wants super straight, super white teeth. they want that hollywood white smile. new sensodyne clinical white pro
when did michael cohen post something, when did trump post something? so, and there was, and so, if trump is angling for something, he is going to steer it on his own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us. thank you all very much for joining us in this discussion tonight. really appreciate it. >> thank you. >>> and coming up, joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida. the president was in florida today. senator elizabeth warren says voters on every...
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most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and acally paid attention to a this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up,hat accordg to cohen and we're cen will probably testifies that dold trump isreathing down his neck very closely following the ren mcdougal he talked aut how he would sit with ump in trumtower on t
most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker...
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when did michael cohen post something? when did trump post something? and so it shows that if trump is angling for something the judge is going to steer it on its own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us, since there is no trial scheduled for tomorrow. turn 24, andrew weissman, neal katyal, thank you. really appreciate it. >>> joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida where republican a portion abortion ban goes into effect. elizabeth warren says voters should be concerned about abortion bans. senator warren joins us next. a once-daily pill for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis, and the chance at clear or almost clear skin. it's like the feeling of finding you're so ready for your close-up. or finding you don't have to hide your skin just your background. once-daily sotyktu was proven better, getting more people clearer skin than the leading pill. don't take if you're allergic to sotyktu; serious reactions can occur. sotyktu can lower your ability to fight infections, including tb. serious infections, cancers including lymphoma,
when did michael cohen post something? when did trump post something? and so it shows that if trump is angling for something the judge is going to steer it on its own time. >> well, tomorrow would be good for us, since there is no trial scheduled for tomorrow. turn 24, andrew weissman, neal katyal, thank you. really appreciate it. >>> joe biden is putting pressure on donald trump in florida where republican a portion abortion ban goes into effect. elizabeth warren says voters...
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cohen and stormy daniels herself. then after they filed that motion for contempt, mr. trump posted seven more posts, sometimes attacking mr. cohen, calling him a serial perjurer, but also very troublesome to the court, attacking jurors. he did this by reposting a different post by jesse waters talking about liberal individuals lying, and then he added to that to get onto this trial. that caused the government to file another motion for contempt. i will note that in today's hearing, prosecutors said we are going to be filing another motion for contempt. based on some even, on the even more. it just keeps going. william: his lawyers argue this is an unconstitutional infringement on his free-speech rights, that he feels the system is rigged and he has every right to say that. what are a defendants rights in this regard? x defendants have constitutional rights, like all people in the united states. but when you are a defendant in a criminal trial, those rights are absolute not limitless. ,they can be restricted when your
cohen and stormy daniels herself. then after they filed that motion for contempt, mr. trump posted seven more posts, sometimes attacking mr. cohen, calling him a serial perjurer, but also very troublesome to the court, attacking jurors. he did this by reposting a different post by jesse waters talking about liberal individuals lying, and then he added to that to get onto this trial. that caused the government to file another motion for contempt. i will note that in today's hearing, prosecutors...
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cohen, to protect trump during the 2016 campaign. david pecker grinning widely as he pointed out trump in the courtroom, the former president smirking back. the two men had been friends for years. but pecker told the jury their relationship changed in 2015, after trump launched his run for president. pecker was summoned to trump tower that august and in a 20-minute meeting he said trump and cohen "asked me, what can i do and what my magazines can do to help the campaign." pecker testified he pledged to run flattering stories about trump and hit jobs on his opponents, and he offered to be the campaign's eyes and ears to alert cohen if he caught wind of any potentially damaging stories. pecker said he told trump he'd try to kill those stories so they'd never see the light of day. as pecker described that trump tower meeting, jurors were rapt, taking constant notes. pecker then laid out how he worked with trump and cohen to publish attacks on rival republican candidates. cohen would tell him who to go after, and the tabloid would do it.
cohen, to protect trump during the 2016 campaign. david pecker grinning widely as he pointed out trump in the courtroom, the former president smirking back. the two men had been friends for years. but pecker told the jury their relationship changed in 2015, after trump launched his run for president. pecker was summoned to trump tower that august and in a 20-minute meeting he said trump and cohen "asked me, what can i do and what my magazines can do to help the campaign." pecker...
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michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the substance of this is what the inquirer did not practice -- did not publish as part of a practice known as catch and kill. culminating in a 2015 meeting -- >> reporter: tonight a person with the matter tells nbc news that candidate trump was in the room when the national enquirer publisher discussed ways that ami could help quash negative stories about mr. trump's relationships with women. >> that was from 2018 when the meeting was first reported. in that meeting in august he told trump through michael cohen that anything i hear in the mar
michael cohen was not part of the campaign. when he said we, i thought he was talking about himself and mr. trump. it sounds like he thought he was acting at the direction of donald trump. he published stories like this about texas senator ted cruz who challenged trump in the primary. extramarital affairs with multiple women. or this story, remember this one? this one got a little bit of attention. admitted making up linking ted cruz to the john f. kennedy assassination. remember that one? the...
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often michael cohen, aaron. >> all right, paula, thank you very much. and i want to go now to soucie a who worked closely with david pecker at the national enquirer's parent company. elizabeth williams is also win it does the sketch artist who was in the courtroom with donald trump today. and of course has been throughout this trial. now you all know her and our legal experts, karen friedman, agnifilo, and stacy schneider. so all right. so great to have all of you. let me just start straight off with you. so you were pecker's communications chief at ami, right? so you worked with them, you saw him, you know how all of this worked in intimate detail? so pass her testified today, he told trump he'd be as eyes and ears during the campaign. so as you're seeing the transcript of exactly what he said today, what stood out to you as you heard pecker describe the way catch and kill worked, which was pretty amazing. >> so until now, it's only been speculated how it really worked. >> but clear really outlined it under oath today, how it will play it out and the b
often michael cohen, aaron. >> all right, paula, thank you very much. and i want to go now to soucie a who worked closely with david pecker at the national enquirer's parent company. elizabeth williams is also win it does the sketch artist who was in the courtroom with donald trump today. and of course has been throughout this trial. now you all know her and our legal experts, karen friedman, agnifilo, and stacy schneider. so all right. so great to have all of you. let me just start...
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he does have reason to say that when it comes to michael cohen. cohen is on the news every night attacking the president not just legally but politically. he will continue to do that after he testifies. and, yet, this order saying you can't really respond to him. i think a lot of people view that as being too broad a scope. and the judge doesn't seem to have any sort of inclination to narrow it. >> bret: i have heard you talk about the legal side of this and how it's cobbled together, the charges and how we hear another kind of avenue that the prosecution is going down. >> right. well, there is the second misdemeanor, nothing one coming out of the new york code that said you illegally conspired to promote your own campaign. and as you sort of work your mind around that, they are saying that because you misidentified these funds and treated them as legal expenses, you were illegally trying to win that campaign. once again, most of us looking at this or at least many of us are saying wait, first of all, can you prove all these facts because they are
he does have reason to say that when it comes to michael cohen. cohen is on the news every night attacking the president not just legally but politically. he will continue to do that after he testifies. and, yet, this order saying you can't really respond to him. i think a lot of people view that as being too broad a scope. and the judge doesn't seem to have any sort of inclination to narrow it. >> bret: i have heard you talk about the legal side of this and how it's cobbled together, the...
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cohen's contact with trump, trump increasing. >> i mean, not michael cohen. >> michael cohen's contact with david pecker and david pecker is contact with donald trump increasing once trump again running for president trump was cautious and frugal with money. pecker said so much so that he personally reviewed invoices and signs checks. he was meticulous. he said trump and cohen and pecker had this in-person august 2015 meeting where they agreed that pecker would be the eyes and ears of trump's 2016 campaign. pecker would notify cohen if women selling negative stories about trump emerged with pecker woodpecker anticipated would happen. cohen would then try to find a way to kill the story of a lot of damaging testimony from this friend of but both politically and legally politically. again, if this breakthrough out there, the competition, the election is going to be decided by nikki haley voters, for example, or suburban swing voters, for example and just trump's relationship with a tabloid, buying these kind of stories. that's not going to sell very well with them. so that'll be part of
cohen's contact with trump, trump increasing. >> i mean, not michael cohen. >> michael cohen's contact with david pecker and david pecker is contact with donald trump increasing once trump again running for president trump was cautious and frugal with money. pecker said so much so that he personally reviewed invoices and signs checks. he was meticulous. he said trump and cohen and pecker had this in-person august 2015 meeting where they agreed that pecker would be the eyes and ears...
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that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be attacked and he will be on cross-examination as a convicted felon who really has a passing acquaintance with the truth, other witnesses and other documents will show the jury they can trust the overall story. >> chuck rosenberg, andrew weissmann, vaughn hillyard, thanks so much. we'll be checking back with you later in the program. >>> and as donald trump is in that new york city courtroom with david pecker, of course, on the stand, a central figure in the hush money case, president biden is traveling to florida this hour to
that would be michael cohen. so think of this, again, if the analogy works as a brick wall that the prosecutors are constructing. and each of the witnesses add some number of bricks to the wall. hopefully at the end of the trial, you have a big sturdy wall and the jury understands the theory of the case and accepts your evidence. and so are you trying to build up mr. cohen's credibility? you know, i think of it in a different way. you're trying to corroborate him so that even though he can be...
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one, through the testimony of michael cohen. but i was looking yesterday to hear how else are they going to prove that? they say they have a photograph of the two gentlemen at that meeting. they also have invoices days afterwards. a couple days after that, the first payment to michael cohen. but i was hoping to hear that they have a lot more than that. somebody who was also at the meeting, who overheard the meeting, who placed some of these documents in front of donald trump, heard his comments about that. i didn't hear that yesterday. i'm hoping that we hear prosecutors have a lot more about the back end of the deal as much as they do about the front end of it. >> chuck, what stood out to you? >> i'd agree with lisa but add one thing. circumstances also matter. we often talk about there being direct evidence, maybe conversations or photographs or emails of a transaction, but circumstances matter, too, willie. if you walk out of your house and there's snow on the front lawn, what do you think happened last night? it snowed. you
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>> michael cohen. this is the first witness is starting to testify. the david helped trump's case russia's new it girl, stink television now fawning over marjorie taylor greene, even though she tried but failed to sink american aid to ukraine. here what they are thank tonight about quote-unquote moscow, marjorie and melania trump. now selling more jewelry. >> is it to help her husband pay his legal fees let's go out the front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront tonight. we begin with trump's trials spilling out of the courtroom on a de, when the prosecution and defense laid out their cases for the first time to 12 jurors and the six alternates in the room. and it's on this momentous de that former president trump and his former fixer, michael cohen, are now in a free-for-all? know did actually start in the courtroom. >> it was during opening statements, trump was watching as his lawyers were tearing into the key wetness they said, quote, his entire financial livelihood depends on president trump's destruction referring to cohen so that was
>> michael cohen. this is the first witness is starting to testify. the david helped trump's case russia's new it girl, stink television now fawning over marjorie taylor greene, even though she tried but failed to sink american aid to ukraine. here what they are thank tonight about quote-unquote moscow, marjorie and melania trump. now selling more jewelry. >> is it to help her husband pay his legal fees let's go out the front and good evening. >> i'm erin burnett outfront...