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you can't do this just on the shoulders of michael cohen and thighs on the shoulders of michael cohen, right? to everything else around him to lift him up. otherwise, there is no correct? right. you can't you can't have it i know he has long felt that they were going to do that and that he would be he would say it but then they would prove it separately from one of the side. he's he's critical, but everything around him and stew. one thing that is david pecker is our walked off the stand, men had been friends. >> again, we put that in quotes, but friends such that they were friends over decades, they have not spoken since the beginning of 2019, according to pecker's testimony. so do you think they'll ever speak again? i mean, trump has said nice things about him this way. if you look at how once pecker told his tail that he was required to he also had to make friends with trump again more like from the godfather, it's personal business and this is kind of that relationship. >> anyways, those are pretty up description yeah. >> all right. well, thank you all very much and next to trump
you can't do this just on the shoulders of michael cohen and thighs on the shoulders of michael cohen, right? to everything else around him to lift him up. otherwise, there is no correct? right. you can't you can't have it i know he has long felt that they were going to do that and that he would be he would say it but then they would prove it separately from one of the side. he's he's critical, but everything around him and stew. one thing that is david pecker is our walked off the stand, men...
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i want to read an interesting line from michael cohen's banker, gary pharaoh. this is what gary farro testifying. every time michael cohen's spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this was one of those times breakdown the significance of the bankers testimony today that is set to continue. we're told next week yeah, when michael cohen says that to gary farro as he's testifying, it's a moment where michael cohen wants to set up an account with this private bank in 2016 where gary farro works. >> this is the bank through which the payment ultimately is going to be set up to be paid to stormy daniels from michael cohen, $130,000 to keep her story quiet. >> and what he's doing is piecing in new parts of the puzzle. the prosecutors want to be able to show the jury every step of the money and the effort toward paying off stormy daniels from donald trump's sphere. >> gary pharaoh is one of the people that can do that both with his testimony and with his evidence, he can help them show the documents, the emails, the exchanges, and a crucial document from him that
i want to read an interesting line from michael cohen's banker, gary pharaoh. this is what gary farro testifying. every time michael cohen's spoke to me, he gave a sense of urgency and this was one of those times breakdown the significance of the bankers testimony today that is set to continue. we're told next week yeah, when michael cohen says that to gary farro as he's testifying, it's a moment where michael cohen wants to set up an account with this private bank in 2016 where gary farro...
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else will and then michael cohen would handle by them or trying to make sure that they don't ever get published unquote. so even if the term catch and kill wasn't used you wrote a book called catch and kill. is that not catching gill that is the definition of this colloquial term that has emerged around this catch and kill, which was a term that i and other journalists around this first started during from ami employees it was something of what's called a neologism. >> it entered into the discourse partly through this, and it was a practice the enquirer had engaged in for a long time, this sort of stick and karatay we'll buy up the unflattering stories. maybe we won't run them. also. will run flattering stories about you. they had done that if hollywood celebrities in the past, and here they were clearly applying it in a political context and it was apparent to all of us digging through the trail of money on this, that even if the underlying rumors about a fares are supposed, love children, didn't matter at all and we didn't care what did matter was the potential flexion line implicat
else will and then michael cohen would handle by them or trying to make sure that they don't ever get published unquote. so even if the term catch and kill wasn't used you wrote a book called catch and kill. is that not catching gill that is the definition of this colloquial term that has emerged around this catch and kill, which was a term that i and other journalists around this first started during from ami employees it was something of what's called a neologism. >> it entered into the...
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michael cohen. from michael cohen, maybe it's not as salacious, but this is actually what the trial and the crime itself. >> it is michael cohen was contacting this bank because he they'd been having this discussion about ami and david pecker is the firewood owned the national enquirer? >> yes. they've been having the discussion on them making the payment to stormy daniels and essentially david pecker or didn't want anything to do it. he did not want to be in cahoots with a porn star making this payment to her. and it came to this point where michael cohen was trying to reach trump. he was under pressure to do this and finally said, i'm just going to do it myself and drew down a home equity line that's why this exchange happening right now pharaoh received another email two days later, please return michael cohen's call when you are available today regarding an important merit, a matter pharaoh calls cohen who told him he wanted to open a new llc account. >> cohen said the account was for capital re
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cohen, and how he used michael cohen as his fixer and what the children thought of michael cohen, which was apparently not much and so i think she's she's good for the document part of this, but she's also an important witness, i think to talk about the sort of ethos of the trump organization and how donald trump ran it and how much attention he paid to the receipts. and to what was going on. and also, she can talk about the relationship with david pecker. can you imagine though just taking a step back on what this must feel like for donald trump in this moment. i mean, we know the witness list includes people like hope hicks, michael cohen. michael cohen clearly, no love lost in the sense that we are all very clear at the status of their relationship. >> we're on a graph, somebody who would have been his right-hand woman thinking about her important role, david pecker, a long-term friend. >> we've seen the pictures outside of the white house, naveen david pecker was invited to sit in meeting with mike pompeo and jame dimon. call me and then told in front of all them he knows more than
cohen, and how he used michael cohen as his fixer and what the children thought of michael cohen, which was apparently not much and so i think she's she's good for the document part of this, but she's also an important witness, i think to talk about the sort of ethos of the trump organization and how donald trump ran it and how much attention he paid to the receipts. and to what was going on. and also, she can talk about the relationship with david pecker. can you imagine though just taking a...
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there we're going to hear more about that from michael cohen and again, if michael cohen's really the only one that ties all this together, he's got a lot of issues. i'm actually see what else they use other than michael go. >> but the other thing you let this go, if you're the defense, just don't fight it. don't object, don't because they knew this was coming. this is the central part part of the prosecution's case. well, let it go hundred percent. >> yeah. i mean, you don't because i think the more you kick and scream about it, the more you draw the jury's attention to it. they have other ways they can attack the credibility and the membrane is back to what you were saying about small ball at the end of the de, it's just there were these little inconsistency michael cohen is coming. >> we don't know what else is coming. i mean, let's just remember that landy davis, who was michael cohen's lawyer, has said that this case does not quote rise and fall on michael cohen's testimony that there is other evidence, but we haven't seen prosecutors are trying to answer the question for the jur
there we're going to hear more about that from michael cohen and again, if michael cohen's really the only one that ties all this together, he's got a lot of issues. i'm actually see what else they use other than michael go. >> but the other thing you let this go, if you're the defense, just don't fight it. don't object, don't because they knew this was coming. this is the central part part of the prosecution's case. well, let it go hundred percent. >> yeah. i mean, you don't...
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the more you can show through david pecker that michael cohen was running the show. he's the fixer. the more you can show that this is what the former president does. he surrounds people, pays them and says, make this all stuff go away. i don't care how you do it. >> you. >> do that. the jury is left with eyes glazed over and at least one of them is going to say, i'm not convicting a hung jury is a win for the former president, just like an acquittal is a win for him. >> you know, i hear you say that you make a persuasive case, but it also helps me understand maybe some of what the prosecution was doing here by bringing up specific conversations that donald trump had with david pecker. according to david pecker, about karen mcdougal, about stormy daniels and michael, i do understand that in and of themselves, there may not be any illegality in those conversations, but if a trial is all about the impressions made, the jury sitting there, i imagine going that's interesting. donald trump is asking a lot about karen mcdougal, this former playboy playmate. what impression does that leave
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. >> david pecker testified that he had michael cohen in the loop. he had a conversation with donald trump about karen mcdougal's story, and then the national enquirer to the bosses pleasure that's trump decided to pay for that story and bury it so it would not be published before the 2016 election. he then testified about another type of very similar situation with a different outcome, where stormy daniels hill's came to the national enquirer pecker looped in michael cohen, let them know. he's not going to be paying for that. the national enquirer wouldn't be buying stormy daniels story and he testified that michael cohen told him that donald trump would be furious the national enquirer wasn't helping underlining all of this is david pecker testifying over and over again that he clearly understood trump had motivations to protect his campaign at that time. that their relationship shifted, that the way that they were buying stories and burying them shifted once donald trump came a presidential candidate, and that he understood at the national enquire
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cohen ultimately paying for it. judge juan merchan also announcing he'd hold a hearing next wednesday where he's going to make a decision about whether trump violated his gag order. that supposed to be an off day for the trial after court wrapped up yesterday, trump seemed to walk back his vow to testify in his hush money trial well, if it's necessary right now, i don't know if you heard about today. >> today, was just incredible. people are saying the experts, i'm talking about legal scholars and experts this saying what kind of a cases is there is no case joining me now to break all this down, cnn legal analyst, joey jackson, joe good morning. >> i always wonderful to have you with us. thanks for kicking us off today. >> let's start with the oral arguments that we saw before the supreme court yesterday. >> what stood out to you? >> yeah. casey, good morning to you. what stands out to me is whether there's gonna be this delineation between the president's private conduct and between of course, what can be deemed is
cohen ultimately paying for it. judge juan merchan also announcing he'd hold a hearing next wednesday where he's going to make a decision about whether trump violated his gag order. that supposed to be an off day for the trial after court wrapped up yesterday, trump seemed to walk back his vow to testify in his hush money trial well, if it's necessary right now, i don't know if you heard about today. >> today, was just incredible. people are saying the experts, i'm talking about legal...
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cohen made of his client, donald trump. it's really going to help the defense on that. and what we've heard, we've played it here many, many times, but in essence, trump is sort of clueless. he goes, he knows they're paying, he's very much on board with paying to silence. it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue. and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much. and i but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with playable arguably, but at some point the notion so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal campaign donation and i was involved in this scheme two it's sort of to pay off michael cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. no
cohen made of his client, donald trump. it's really going to help the defense on that. and what we've heard, we've played it here many, many times, but in essence, trump is sort of clueless. he goes, he knows they're paying, he's very much on board with paying to silence. it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what...
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michael cohen i think they scored a point when they establish he is always playing an angle for himself. they got that out of the das witness. the last was i think there was a contradiction and an important part of packer's testimony where he says now that when they first started discussing the plan, and at first he didn't say that, not saying he has ruined it but i think he did a good job on direct that would be happy is the prosecutor, but now sit back because he is taking on some damage. >> from my time as a prosecutor but agree. i would be happy if this was my witness. i think what stands out is it is quite easy if they know someone else but today, pecker pointed the finger at himself. he admitted he was part of a criminal conspiracy and he talked about election crimes and his own concern and what they did violated that. >> he raised concerns and said he sought legal counsel on that at the time. >> i think that is incredibly damaging. one of the competing narratives is are we talking about a personal matter and hush money and what people do to connect stories, we talking about campa
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the defense, not as bad as michael cohen, he is someone who is not adversarial but could help not just the prosecution, but -- >> and that is why trump felt optimistic. >> right. >> there was one thing david said that was significant and one stood out when we was sitting outside listening when we were watching the school across the screen, he testifies that at first trump's focus on negative stories which we pointed out, had been about his wife, his daughter, how he was be perceived in his family. but then he said after the campaign started it shifted and it was what the impact would be on the election. and black and white the motive right there. how significant is that one lying. >> i think it is very significant because people thought that this case was going to rest on the credibility of michael cohen and stormy daniels lab their own issues. really what david perker provided was this overall context that this was about the campaign. this was all about helping the campaign and he said over and over again during his testimony they knew that would be a campaign, a federal election viol
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cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably that is the defense, that is their best defense. >> but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was in part involved in this part of it if he was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash, that does point to a level of interest in sort of the nitty-gritty of the details. on how to the defense poke holes are trying to poke holes in pecker's recollection of one of the ways the recollection well, they've two different ways they try to poke holes in the prosecution here. one was to talk about maybe david pecker is memory, the other. and you talked about this earlier. was this suggests this is all standard operating procedure. this whole scheme of buying stuff is just what the enquirer did and there's an exchange to that effect and meal beauvais, the defense attorney says this relationship that you had with president trump, this mutually beneficial relationship, you had similar relatio
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michael cohen. i thought i think they scored a nice point when they established michael cohen is always playing an angle for himself. >> they got that out of the state's witness, out of the da's witness. >> and the last thing i think was there's a contradiction in an important part of pecker's testimony one where he says now that hope hicks was at this crucial meeting where they first started discussing this plan. but it turns out he didn't say that the first time he was asked by investigators now, not saying he is ruined as a witness, but this is the back-and-forth. i think he did a good job on direct. i'd be happy with it if i was the prosecutor, but now sit back because now he's taking taking on some damage yes. >> speaking from my time as a prosecutor, i agree. i think i would be happy if this were my witness. i think what stands out as something we talked about the other night actually, is that it's quite easy to point the finger at someone else, but i think what happened today is that pecker p
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i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial. he's the one who negotiated the ndas with mcdougal and with stormy and the timeline is professor kim knows is crucial in any prosecution in august of 2016, keith david rohde will say this is public, that he had a meeting with dylan howard who unfortunately is not a key witness, has been brought up quite a lot. two, abbey, he discussed with karen mcdougal, haven't are on the cover of magazines, writing articles about intellectual topics the luncheon was a joke. it was to kill the case what happened was on our set october 7 access hollywood. after that tape came out, michael coh
i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial....
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michael cohen, legal fees. that's exactly what michael cohen said to them. it doesn't make a difference for tax purposes because the confidential sediment, remember this is pretty 2018. so the confidential settlement is just as deductible as legal fees are. so it doesn't have any tax benefit whatsoever. these are not public records. these are not books that are going to be but. in to, any fec filings. so it's not covering up any election law issues one of the frame to jump in there for one second, please. in court, because he's accused of something. >> yes, sir. just to jump in here, the point of the karen mcdougal store for you is not to say any of its criminal, but it's actually to establish the purpose of the whole scheme in general that trump cared more before the election, then he did after the election that david pecker knew that doing this at that particular time would be considered a campaign finance violations. so there are some elements of this the whole mo there's some elements of this that they are trying to establish for the purpose of the jury.
michael cohen, legal fees. that's exactly what michael cohen said to them. it doesn't make a difference for tax purposes because the confidential sediment, remember this is pretty 2018. so the confidential settlement is just as deductible as legal fees are. so it doesn't have any tax benefit whatsoever. these are not public records. these are not books that are going to be but. in to, any fec filings. so it's not covering up any election law issues one of the frame to jump in there for one...
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cohen is and what a loose cannon michael cohen can be and i have had plenty of contact with michael cohen over the years. i think that i understand and empathize with all the reasons he is in a difficult, stressful position right now to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team. finally announced, i'm going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast and talking about their because he was just sort of spouting vulgarities all the time about trump he had started a fundraising campaign. these were all things that made prosecutors nervous about positioning him as a meaningful witness in this case. >> so as we obviously weight that testimony, there was a ruling today that i know you think could matter for trump, and this was the new york state top court overruling the harvey weinstein convictions. state of new york. i mean, it was a bombshell. just went hit this morning. people saying, wow. all right. now you want to pull it serve for your work you exposed so many of the
cohen is and what a loose cannon michael cohen can be and i have had plenty of contact with michael cohen over the years. i think that i understand and empathize with all the reasons he is in a difficult, stressful position right now to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team. finally announced, i'm going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast and talking about their...
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cohen fell out of favor, he needed new people to be as enforcers and michael cohen at that point, i think it was on the cusp of falling out of favor. if you go back, i don't have the timeline in front of me, but this has been a constant. donald trump fines loyal lieutenants who will do his business, which is why i think pecker is important. yesterday, i believe it was when he said donald trump was deeply involved, was frugal, didn't like to throw away money, so it was always involved in the financial decisions. so the trustee is not conveyed to say, well, trump said make it go away. he didn't say do anything illegal or he didn't say write checks. that's what they're trying to build that trump knew what was happening. >> it seems to make caitlin the defense team of trump it's now going to try to muddy the waters a bit following the prosecution's opening witnesses, david pecker what are you hearing about how trump and his legal team are going to start dealing with all of this tomorrow. >> i think the question is really how do they distance donald trump from david pecker? because what
cohen fell out of favor, he needed new people to be as enforcers and michael cohen at that point, i think it was on the cusp of falling out of favor. if you go back, i don't have the timeline in front of me, but this has been a constant. donald trump fines loyal lieutenants who will do his business, which is why i think pecker is important. yesterday, i believe it was when he said donald trump was deeply involved, was frugal, didn't like to throw away money, so it was always involved in the...
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it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative around him as sort of working exclusive pro trump and exclusively for the purposes of the election, one of the things he testified about, i believe on direct earlier today was he said that in a meeting with trump, there was no reference to trump's family, right? no reference to trump's family in that meeting, which he wasn't doing this. he wasn't wanting to suppress the stormy daniels they'll story where the karen mcdougal story on behalf of his wife, protecting his wife or his kids. it was just about his campaign that that is what the da's office is goi
it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative...
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it's the way that donald trump and michael cohen and others set up the repayment to michael cohen on the stormy daniels payoff. that is the crime here that that we'll get to that david pecker does not know about that. he wouldn't be in position to know about that, but he setting the stage for them and i will add one little thing to that. what is most newsworthy? i acknowledge is all of these details about the human element and the sayyed too, all of this, what is legally most relevant is probably the guy with the green eye shade who will come testify at some point about accounting practices then the trump organization about how they handled and maintained their records, what they did with them, and what they knew about what the purpose of what they were doing was. that ends up being about pecker, is that he refused to pay for stormy daniels karen mcdougal was one thing, but he didn't want to pay for stormy daniels, whether it was cushy was a porn star or whatever is he said, i'm not a bank. i'm not going to pay for stormy. so that takes you out of his bank account into donald trump's
it's the way that donald trump and michael cohen and others set up the repayment to michael cohen on the stormy daniels payoff. that is the crime here that that we'll get to that david pecker does not know about that. he wouldn't be in position to know about that, but he setting the stage for them and i will add one little thing to that. what is most newsworthy? i acknowledge is all of these details about the human element and the sayyed too, all of this, what is legally most relevant is...
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actually did what a lot of michael cohen though the initial meeting 2015 was between pecker michael cohen and meeting. they had it at trump tower and trump, according to david pecker, said. what can you and your magazine do to help my campaign? >> which is interesting because earlier on, i mean, before this, before they were actually on the stand, the idea seemed to be that david pecker had come to them saying, hey, what can i do for you guys? when in testifying is that it was trump i michael cohen saying, we want your help on the campaign and specify that it was for the campaign that wasn't a meeting of we want i can to help because mr. concern about melania trump. trump is leaning back looking down at times at pecker as he testifies again, had the interaction between these two, given their long history, i'm going to be to be inside the mind of donald trump. what he must be thinking as he's watching david pecker right now well, the risk always when you have somebody who is known, someone for a very long time is you don't know what that person as a prosecutor, you don't don't know what th
actually did what a lot of michael cohen though the initial meeting 2015 was between pecker michael cohen and meeting. they had it at trump tower and trump, according to david pecker, said. what can you and your magazine do to help my campaign? >> which is interesting because earlier on, i mean, before this, before they were actually on the stand, the idea seemed to be that david pecker had come to them saying, hey, what can i do for you guys? when in testifying is that it was trump i...
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cohen. >> however, michael cohen overnight was tweeting about him and this gaggle border, but he said this, he said despite not being the gagged defendant out of respect for judge merchan and the prosecutors, i will cease posting anything about donald until after my trial testimony. so it seems that he is no longer going to be tweeting about his former boss. he of course, is going to be a main way witness in this case. but as you said, ajahn, first order or maybe if maybe second order of business, we'll see is testimony continuing of the former national enquirer publisher, david pecker. he was getting into the details about karen mcdougal, how they learned about that alleged fair the process of possibly a bearing that story, and we fully we expect him to get to the heart of this case, which is the alleged affair with stormy daniels, will certainly have some details later today, john. >> yeah, a lot of it could happen very quickly once trial resumes this morning, bring and grass great to have you there. thank you. >> kate and that is the case in new york. we also have two other legal h
cohen. >> however, michael cohen overnight was tweeting about him and this gaggle border, but he said this, he said despite not being the gagged defendant out of respect for judge merchan and the prosecutors, i will cease posting anything about donald until after my trial testimony. so it seems that he is no longer going to be tweeting about his former boss. he of course, is going to be a main way witness in this case. but as you said, ajahn, first order or maybe if maybe second order of...
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to outline like this is what i said to michael cohen. so michael cohen goes out there and says, well this is what i did and then there's someone that hasn't doesn't have a record of perjury doing that that's the case that they're building, but don't forget pecker also got a immunity to at the end of the day, if there was a campaign violation that just strikes me as a campaign professional pecker is the one that was at that is opening himself up to prosecution for this this kachin of mental that'll come up when certainly on emanation that the defense will attack david pecker for that amino deal, telling the jurors and effect, you can't believe anything. >> this guy says he has an incentive to not be straight, so exactly right. >> also, it's like this cast is like the sleazy has cast. you could ever pick and so much of america is learning about tabloid journalism and what that is. >> the, how they change pictures and the symbiotic relationship and they're paying off mistresses and loved children. >> it's like this. >> i mean, i'm a journal
to outline like this is what i said to michael cohen. so michael cohen goes out there and says, well this is what i did and then there's someone that hasn't doesn't have a record of perjury doing that that's the case that they're building, but don't forget pecker also got a immunity to at the end of the day, if there was a campaign violation that just strikes me as a campaign professional pecker is the one that was at that is opening himself up to prosecution for this this kachin of mental...
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cohen. >> michael cohen really gets him in the eye or of the judges we saw before that is his attorney at least when his attorney was trying to defense trump's postings. and so it'll be a notable what the judge does. the judge has to do something to get this on control. we just started the trial and here we go and serums of the hearing about violating a gag one yeah. >> i'm not sure. i'm surprised by any of that. considering what i've learned covering donald trump for how many years, but but here we are at joey, what do you expect in terms of what we're going to see on the stand, we know that david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, going to be back up there. they have been kind of building in something have a crescendo to the point of the stormy daniel story, which we haven't really dug into yet. are you expecting that today? >> what are you looking for yeah. >> i think that's it. i think i'm looking for a couple of things. certainly we know just in terms of resetting that pecker being a person who was involved with the national enquirer, sets the stage for this en
cohen. >> michael cohen really gets him in the eye or of the judges we saw before that is his attorney at least when his attorney was trying to defense trump's postings. and so it'll be a notable what the judge does. the judge has to do something to get this on control. we just started the trial and here we go and serums of the hearing about violating a gag one yeah. >> i'm not sure. i'm surprised by any of that. considering what i've learned covering donald trump for how many...
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cohen is in his testimony, he turned rat on then michael cohen and that's why michael cohen went to jail so it could have been just as easily them sweating pecker and he could have gone to jail. >> so so everything everything will come out. >> i think everything he has nothing to hold back. he's probably relieved that he can actually honestly tell the truth so jeremy, you've been inside the courtroom, right? so you've seen trump as pecker started the start testimony, we've seen a bit up. you've seen trump watching pecker, pecker watching trump, each of them watching the other one watch. i mean, you're really getting the dynamics and the body language here. so what is your sense about how they feel about each other guys have known each other for decades, were friends? yeah. >> as much of a sense of the word is probably either one of them have friends. >> now far from it the one there was really only one light moment in court on tuesday and that was when the prosecutor just steinglass, he asked david pecker two it's basically identified donald trump, who is donald trump in the courtro
cohen is in his testimony, he turned rat on then michael cohen and that's why michael cohen went to jail so it could have been just as easily them sweating pecker and he could have gone to jail. >> so so everything everything will come out. >> i think everything he has nothing to hold back. he's probably relieved that he can actually honestly tell the truth so jeremy, you've been inside the courtroom, right? so you've seen trump as pecker started the start testimony, we've seen a...
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dealt with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again and putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. >> thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely to be cross-examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen mcdougal deals. but the one that actually paved the way for them in this deal, they had before the election, the first story that the national enquirer allegedly intercepted for trump in regards to the election. here's randi kaye about a year before the 2016 election, former trump tower doorman, dino sajudin, suddenly got $30,000 richer. >> the national enquirer, but exclusive rights to a fake story. he was peddling about a so-called loved child fathered out of wedlock by donald trump with his housekeeper. there was a pattern that first $30,000 was paid to a trump tower doorman to squash a rumor that trump
dealt with it's gonna be all the times that it was he and michael cohen again and putting michael cohen's credibility as the issue because he wants to make it so that michael cohen is the one who is the one talking about donald trump. >> thank you, everyone. now, a closer look at catch and kill, which david pecker has been testifying about. and as we've been discussing, is likely to be cross-examined about when the trial resumes not catch and kill relating to the stormy daniels or karen...
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this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker? donald trump has not attacked david pecker, and i think it may be because he feels that pecker still has a little bit of power over him you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left. >> david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting. >> make a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead. the other consequential case looming over donald trump with the us supreme court preparing to hear arguments tomorrow. on his claim of presidential immunity from the federal law. january 6, case. we'll be right back his new album is
this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker? donald trump has not attacked david pecker, and i think it may be because he feels that pecker still has a little bit of power over him you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody...
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he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out. what i think they may do is not cross-examine him in a hostile way and say, you were just a businessman you were doing what you thought was good for the enquirer and maybe helping your friend, you didn't think you were committing a crime, did you? and i think that is often more effective than beating someone up and saying you're a liar, you're in that i think is probably the most, most effective way to deal with them. and the thing about pecker though, is this whole deal has been a nightmare for him. >> i mean he was a lot more successful businessman in 2016 tha
he he didn't flip in the way that michael cohen has flipped. he's giving testimony that is not helpful to trump, and that is helpful to the prosecution, but he hasn't said something that is really in its incriminating donald trump, but it's not incriminating the way that michael cohen's. >> i just wonder if if donald trump would tell it attorney to temper the cross-examination because of who they're dealing with and what david pecker might know, but it depends what they want to get out....
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, you want the jury to thank this entire trial is a referendum on the credibility of michael cohen. so even with the women involved, stormy daniels, you could say she's it's been extortionate. she's done some crazy things. she's been inconsistent about whether they had a relationship touch it lightly, but don't make it an emphasis because you want all eyes on cohen at your best chance of getting either one are 12 jurors to ruin this thing for the prosecution devin, you've actually been in court earlier the week and then last week, this is going to be tomorrow. the first full day in court. we had the dentist appointment for an alternate juror on monday, which bear that had been a cleaning but oral hygiene is important. you had of course, passover observance as well on tuesday and also on monday now it'd be the first full day for this witness and others i'm, talking about what trump has been like in this courtroom because he's had to sit there tomorrow is de seven so he's an interesting defendant to watch because on the one hand, and i say this based in part on watching him during the
, you want the jury to thank this entire trial is a referendum on the credibility of michael cohen. so even with the women involved, stormy daniels, you could say she's it's been extortionate. she's done some crazy things. she's been inconsistent about whether they had a relationship touch it lightly, but don't make it an emphasis because you want all eyes on cohen at your best chance of getting either one are 12 jurors to ruin this thing for the prosecution devin, you've actually been in court...
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they were with michael cohen and he was operating off the books. but as you remember, jake, there were plenty of contacts, not plenty, but a few contexts between pecker and donald trump. >> le, stick around while the hush money trial resumes in new york tomorrow, the us supreme court is also going to hear arguments tomorrow on whether trump should get the ultimate trump card when it comes to some of the most scathing charges against him, the justices are facing a momentous question. they have never had to answer before. can a former president be immune from criminal liability for his actions while he was while he was in office. this all stems, of course, from trump challenging special counsel jack smith's federal for election subversion case. let's bring in cnns, audie cornish and joan biskupic. joan, do you have any insight into how you think the justices might rule? >> well, you started off, right? this is untested, but back in the 1980s, the justices did rule in a case that involved civil immunity and said that former president richard nixon at
they were with michael cohen and he was operating off the books. but as you remember, jake, there were plenty of contacts, not plenty, but a few contexts between pecker and donald trump. >> le, stick around while the hush money trial resumes in new york tomorrow, the us supreme court is also going to hear arguments tomorrow on whether trump should get the ultimate trump card when it comes to some of the most scathing charges against him, the justices are facing a momentous question. they...
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cohen and stormy daniels sleazebags, calling michael cohen a serial perjurer. but what's happening in manhattan is not even trump's biggest legal battle of the week. tomorrow, the supreme court, the us supreme court is set to hear arguments in trump's presidential immunity case. and with me now to discuss former federal prosecutor jean rossi, as well as former chief assistant district attorney in the manhattan district attorney's office. karen friedman, agnifilo. karen is of council for a firm that represents michael cohen, but she has no contact with golan, does not work on his case. and there are no restrictions on what you can say about the case. we just wanted to make sure you knew that karen if court is not in session today, does it make it doesn't make it more likely that judge merchan is it's going to issue this ruling on trump's possible gag order violations. and if not, then when judge for sean has what's called a calendar day, all his other cases are on the calendar today, so he's dealing with those matters. he certainly could issue a ruling in this c
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cohen. and will the jury believed that testimony given this public vendetta, he has against his former boss that is an open question whether the credibility of michael cohen before a jury is going to be some something that will land with them. gym, we have to cut the conversation short because we're monitoring breaking news. we do appreciate your time. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> of course we're going to take a quick break as we monitor these protests erupting on college campuses all over the united states. >> state would see on a new central every piece of evidence tells a story how it really happened with jesse l martin sunday at nine on cnn this is a hot flash this is a hot flash but this is not flash for moderate to severe vasomotor symptoms due to menopause. bls is the first and only prescription treatment that directly blocks a source of hot flashes and night sweats with 100% hormone free visa you can have fewer hot flashes and more nadph flashes. >> meals or reduces the
cohen. and will the jury believed that testimony given this public vendetta, he has against his former boss that is an open question whether the credibility of michael cohen before a jury is going to be some something that will land with them. gym, we have to cut the conversation short because we're monitoring breaking news. we do appreciate your time. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> of course we're going to take a quick break as we monitor these protests erupting on...
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lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me, than he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson joins us now. joey how do you anticipate judge merchan is going to rule on whether trump violated his gag order yeah. bar it's good to be with you and brianna. i the way that i see it is that these are violations and so the question to me is not whether or not any of the several posts, ten and counting of course, with the one we just showed, yes, that was said before and aired after. there's no question to me that they were violations. the critical inquiry is what specific leave the judge is going to do. the trial is just underway and we're at the stage where the judge bars has to set the tone and tenor for the proceeding and just make no mistake about it. it's not only about the tone and tenor of the proceeding, it's not only about the integrity of our process, it's not only about following rules right? but t
lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me, than he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson joins us now. joey how do you anticipate judge merchan is going to rule on whether trump violated his gag order yeah. bar it's good to be with you and brianna. i the way that i see it is that these are violations and so the question to me is not...
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again, here's what he said about a witness, michael cohen, in an interview with cnn affiliate wpvi michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers joining me now cnn legal analysts carried cordero and cnn correspondent kara scannell, who has been cnn's eyes and ears and then some inside the courtroom covering this trial, qarrah, i do want to start with you on this gag order what is the expectation? what are you hearing from your sources in the court? any sense of we don't know how it's going to come down, but even the win well, we're waiting for the judge to issue this decision yesterday after the hearing, he said he would reserve decision on this but it came after what was a at times contentious hearing with the judge becoming frustrated with donald trump's legal team trying to not responding to his questions as he put it, because prosecutors so i've said that trump has violated this gag order at least ten times. >> they have the interview that you just played a clip of trump actually gave yesterday morning on his way
again, here's what he said about a witness, michael cohen, in an interview with cnn affiliate wpvi michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers joining me now cnn legal analysts carried cordero and cnn correspondent kara scannell, who has been cnn's eyes and ears and then some inside the courtroom covering this trial, qarrah, i do want to start with you on this gag order what is the expectation? what are you hearing from...
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again and the same witness, his former attorney, michael cohen. here's what he said my cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. >> he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me then he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me elliott, this was not brought up in court. >> it's happening afterwards is this another violation of the order and can the judge look at this even though it wasn't brought up in court as another potential fine or worse? >> well, sir. >> thank you, sir. uh, certainly. even if the judge doesn't choose a look at it, i bet you the prosecutors will bring it to the judge's attention now, the michael cohen world of statements, and there are many, many of them are in a slightly different class and some other statements that the president made because of the fact that there actually is back-and-forths sniper thing happening in the press between the former president and michael cohen that the president, at l
again and the same witness, his former attorney, michael cohen. here's what he said my cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. >> he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was a lawyer for many people, not just me then he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me elliott, this was not brought up in court. >> it's happening afterwards is this another violation of the order and can the judge...
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cohen? again, this is what cnn affiliate, wpvi, the interview was conducted before the contempt hearing yesterday, but it aired afterward. and tim parlatore told me last hour that he thinks the only thing helping trump with this one, this re-offending is maybe that trump did the interview before he sat before the judge yesterday. do you agree that's a good job by tim, i guess come up with something but it was a violation of the gag order before the day started and after the hearing as well i mean, this whole defense that we heard from todd blanche of well, he doesn't think that the gag orders fair or he's just defending himself. >> that's fine. but it's still an order of the court. you don't get to violate it because well, i thought it was necessary to violate it or well, i felt the need to violate it. none of that's going to fly to me, so i think tim's right, i guess that's the best argument donald trump could have about why it was not as flagrant, maybe as it would have been if he had done
cohen? again, this is what cnn affiliate, wpvi, the interview was conducted before the contempt hearing yesterday, but it aired afterward. and tim parlatore told me last hour that he thinks the only thing helping trump with this one, this re-offending is maybe that trump did the interview before he sat before the judge yesterday. do you agree that's a good job by tim, i guess come up with something but it was a violation of the gag order before the day started and after the hearing as well i...
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cohen, listen michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. >> he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers, but michael cohen was a convicted lie. he was alert for many people, not just me then he got in trouble because of things outside of what he did for me joining me right now is former attorney for president trump, tim parlatore. >> tim, thank you for getting up early after a late night to help me out. trump, as i said, trump did this interview with the cnn affiliate before the contempt hearing. it didn't air until last night. how big of a problem is this one going to be for trump and also his legal team now i mean, i think that this this interview to me does seem to be a direct violation of the order as it is written and so i think it's problematic for them, especially this airs while the judges currently sitting and trying to decide the issue so the fact that it happened before the hearing, i think helps at least a little bit. i mean, if he had done that interview live yet last night after the hearing then i think the judge would have no choice. >>
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. >> run brownstein, a lot of this involves michael cohen, right? >> and i think this is the wall street journal editorial board pose this question yesterday, and it sort of has stuck in my head like on the one hand, this gag order bands talking about the jury, right? >> which trump has gone out and done, right. he has said they're all liberals, right? potentially inviting attacks on what would otherwise be anonymous citizens going about their daily lives, right? >> okay. that on the one hand, the other hand, you have michael cohen, who has been a political actor in this space, who has gone to prison, has been involved with donald trump for a long time and is out there attacking donald trump. de see a distinction between these and does donald trump have an argument to say it's not fair? fair to keep me from attacking him when he's attacking me. >> and the judge and the judge is family don't forget. >> of course. i would set that in with the jury. i mean, that's why i mean, we've never had a former president facing criminal charges and wireless runni
. >> run brownstein, a lot of this involves michael cohen, right? >> and i think this is the wall street journal editorial board pose this question yesterday, and it sort of has stuck in my head like on the one hand, this gag order bands talking about the jury, right? >> which trump has gone out and done, right. he has said they're all liberals, right? potentially inviting attacks on what would otherwise be anonymous citizens going about their daily lives, right? >>...
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witnesses like michael cohen, who is his former fixer. that's exactly what trump did in an interview with cnn affiliate wpvi, which was taped just before the hearing. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers also in the spotlight, the prosecution's first witness, david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, in his testimony, he described under oath the catch and kill scheme, saying that he would look for negative stories about trump by the rights and then bury them stories like the one about former adult-film star stormy daniels joining me now, trial attorney, former assistant de host, and legal analysts for the law and crime network, imran on sorry, amara, good morning to you. >> thank you so much for being here. let's start with the gag order hearing because this of course, the judge's not said what he's gonna do one way or the other. or here, but trump is continuing to go out and make these kinds of comments the losing all credibility remar
witnesses like michael cohen, who is his former fixer. that's exactly what trump did in an interview with cnn affiliate wpvi, which was taped just before the hearing. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers also in the spotlight, the prosecution's first witness, david pecker, the former publisher of the national enquirer, in his testimony, he described under oath the catch and kill scheme, saying that he...
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cohen. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers back now with the panel including cnn's john berman has been going through the trial transcript, which just came out and as glean more details from it. so john, what stands out again, this is the transcript, so there's a lot to go through here, but but it does provide more details even some of the word choice that both the prosecutors and david pecker uses. this is where they talk about the august 2015 meeting between donald trump, michael cohen, hope hicks is in there for a period of time, and david pecker, the prosecutor, josh steinglass, asked, well, can you describe for the jury what happened to that meeting? please? pecker responds at that meeting, donald trump and michael, they asked me what i can do and what my magazines could do to help the campaign. so thinking about it as i previously, i said what i would do is that was run or publish positive stories about mr. trump, and i would publish negative stories about his opponents i said
cohen. >> michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers back now with the panel including cnn's john berman has been going through the trial transcript, which just came out and as glean more details from it. so john, what stands out again, this is the transcript, so there's a lot to go through here, but but it does provide more details even some of the word choice that both the prosecutors and david pecker uses. this...
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that michael cohen was true? truly acting on donald trump's behalf, you can't assume you're right maybe michael cohen was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael conferences. cohen is going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong in the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and actually paid attention to a lot of the mundane details of this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up that according to cohen and we're oh, and will probably testifies that donald trump is breathing down his neck. very closely following the karen mcdougal. >> he talked about how he would sit with trump
that michael cohen was true? truly acting on donald trump's behalf, you can't assume you're right maybe michael cohen was just a free agent and michael collins not super reliable, but the chain here is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who essentially hands him off to michael conferences. cohen is going to handle this youtube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days one of the things though that david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong in...
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michael cohen a picture of better time times for donald trump and his attorney, michael cohen. he's a good man. he's a man who cares deeply about this country and a snapshot of bitter times now hey guys troubling, went to jail. >> this had nothing to do with me do native new yorkers met in 2006, go and bought a condo and the trump building. and by most accounts, they bonded quickly over their shared values and sharp elbows. >> soon cohen was handling real estate deals, helping run some companies. they say mr. trump's pitbull that in his um, his right-hand man when trump's campaign lit up co-insurance karpin does tie. you guys are down and it makes sense that there would most of them, all of them and trump return the favor, michael cohen is a very talented lawyer, is a good lawyer in my firm as claims of improper hush money emerged, trump initially included cohen and his denials of any wrongdoing, like with this crazy stormy daniels deal hey represented me and, you know, from what i see, he did absolutely nothing wrong when headlines warned that cohen might help prosecutors. >>
michael cohen a picture of better time times for donald trump and his attorney, michael cohen. he's a good man. he's a man who cares deeply about this country and a snapshot of bitter times now hey guys troubling, went to jail. >> this had nothing to do with me do native new yorkers met in 2006, go and bought a condo and the trump building. and by most accounts, they bonded quickly over their shared values and sharp elbows. >> soon cohen was handling real estate deals, helping run...
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cohen over i did over the last several years, i would notify michael cohen and then he would be able to have then kill in another magazine or have them not published, or somebody would have to purchase them. steinglass asked purchased the negative stories about mr. trump, so they would not get published. me. you mean pecker response that they would not get published? yes and i'm jeff, what's the significance of that? i don't know. i'm sorry. i know i know. i'm not jeff, but like what's the okay. what's the crime? okay. so fine. there they're working hand-in-hand to have some influence on an election. here's, we've been here for an hour, right? here's what i would like to know. i still don't exactly know what the secondary crime is. we heard that there's this misdemeanor that only lives because the statute of past only lives if there's a felony. my friends says that it's state election law. the professor says it's tax law many other people say it's federal election law. it is. and that's why this case has to be very upset. and if it was barack obama sitting there with the same charges
cohen over i did over the last several years, i would notify michael cohen and then he would be able to have then kill in another magazine or have them not published, or somebody would have to purchase them. steinglass asked purchased the negative stories about mr. trump, so they would not get published. me. you mean pecker response that they would not get published? yes and i'm jeff, what's the significance of that? i don't know. i'm sorry. i know i know. i'm not jeff, but like what's the...
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most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker said today and correct me if i'm wrong the stand, was that according to him trump was very detailed oriented and acally paid attention to a this transaction. he's not saying that he was aware that the line item was a legal fee, but he's indicating trump was very much involved in this. and what you just read, john also backs that up,hat accordg to cohen and we're cen will probably testifies that dold trump isreathing down his neck very closely following the ren mcdougal he talked aut how he would sit with ump in trumtower on t
most of its with michael cohen. and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael cohen was truly acting n't assume you're right. you maybe michael cohewas just a free agent michael cohen, it's not super reliable, but the chaihere is david pecker makes contact with donald trump, who eentiallyands hioff to micel cohensays, cohen's going to handle th yoube, go and do your thing. i'll have michael cohen ca you back in a few ys. one of e things though david pecker...