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cohen, and how he used michael cohen as his fixer and what the children thought of michael cohen, which was apparently not much and so i think she's she's good for the document part of this, but she's also an important witness, i think to talk about the sort of ethos of the trump organization and how donald trump ran it and how much attention he paid to the receipts. and to what was going on. and also, she can talk about the relationship with david pecker. can you imagine though just taking a step back on what this must feel like for donald trump in this moment. i mean, we know the witness list includes people like hope hicks, michael cohen. michael cohen clearly, no love lost in the sense that we are all very clear at the status of their relationship. >> we're on a graph, somebody who would have been his right-hand woman thinking about her important role, david pecker, a long-term friend. >> we've seen the pictures outside of the white house, naveen david pecker was invited to sit in meeting with mike pompeo and jame dimon. call me and then told in front of all them he knows more than
cohen, and how he used michael cohen as his fixer and what the children thought of michael cohen, which was apparently not much and so i think she's she's good for the document part of this, but she's also an important witness, i think to talk about the sort of ethos of the trump organization and how donald trump ran it and how much attention he paid to the receipts. and to what was going on. and also, she can talk about the relationship with david pecker. can you imagine though just taking a...
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there we're going to hear more about that from michael cohen and again, if michael cohen's really the only one that ties all this together, he's got a lot of issues. i'm actually see what else they use other than michael go. >> but the other thing you let this go, if you're the defense, just don't fight it. don't object, don't because they knew this was coming. this is the central part part of the prosecution's case. well, let it go hundred percent. >> yeah. i mean, you don't because i think the more you kick and scream about it, the more you draw the jury's attention to it. they have other ways they can attack the credibility and the membrane is back to what you were saying about small ball at the end of the de, it's just there were these little inconsistency michael cohen is coming. >> we don't know what else is coming. i mean, let's just remember that landy davis, who was michael cohen's lawyer, has said that this case does not quote rise and fall on michael cohen's testimony that there is other evidence, but we haven't seen prosecutors are trying to answer the question for the jur
there we're going to hear more about that from michael cohen and again, if michael cohen's really the only one that ties all this together, he's got a lot of issues. i'm actually see what else they use other than michael go. >> but the other thing you let this go, if you're the defense, just don't fight it. don't object, don't because they knew this was coming. this is the central part part of the prosecution's case. well, let it go hundred percent. >> yeah. i mean, you don't...
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cohen made of his client, donald trump. it's really going to help the defense on that. and what we've heard, we've played it here many, many times, but in essence, trump is sort of clueless. he goes, he knows they're paying, he's very much on board with paying to silence. it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue. and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much. and i but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with playable arguably, but at some point the notion so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal campaign donation and i was involved in this scheme two it's sort of to pay off michael cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. no
cohen made of his client, donald trump. it's really going to help the defense on that. and what we've heard, we've played it here many, many times, but in essence, trump is sort of clueless. he goes, he knows they're paying, he's very much on board with paying to silence. it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what...
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michael cohen i think they scored a point when they establish he is always playing an angle for himself. they got that out of the das witness. the last was i think there was a contradiction and an important part of packer's testimony where he says now that when they first started discussing the plan, and at first he didn't say that, not saying he has ruined it but i think he did a good job on direct that would be happy is the prosecutor, but now sit back because he is taking on some damage. >> from my time as a prosecutor but agree. i would be happy if this was my witness. i think what stands out is it is quite easy if they know someone else but today, pecker pointed the finger at himself. he admitted he was part of a criminal conspiracy and he talked about election crimes and his own concern and what they did violated that. >> he raised concerns and said he sought legal counsel on that at the time. >> i think that is incredibly damaging. one of the competing narratives is are we talking about a personal matter and hush money and what people do to connect stories, we talking about campa
michael cohen i think they scored a point when they establish he is always playing an angle for himself. they got that out of the das witness. the last was i think there was a contradiction and an important part of packer's testimony where he says now that when they first started discussing the plan, and at first he didn't say that, not saying he has ruined it but i think he did a good job on direct that would be happy is the prosecutor, but now sit back because he is taking on some damage....
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cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably that is the defense, that is their best defense. >> but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was in part involved in this part of it if he was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash, that does point to a level of interest in sort of the nitty-gritty of the details. on how to the defense poke holes are trying to poke holes in pecker's recollection of one of the ways the recollection well, they've two different ways they try to poke holes in the prosecution here. one was to talk about maybe david pecker is memory, the other. and you talked about this earlier. was this suggests this is all standard operating procedure. this whole scheme of buying stuff is just what the enquirer did and there's an exchange to that effect and meal beauvais, the defense attorney says this relationship that you had with president trump, this mutually beneficial relationship, you had similar relatio
cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably that is the defense, that is their best defense. >> but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was in part involved in this part of it if he was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash, that does point to a level of interest in sort of the nitty-gritty of the details. on how to the defense...
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michael cohen. i thought i think they scored a nice point when they established michael cohen is always playing an angle for himself. >> they got that out of the state's witness, out of the da's witness. >> and the last thing i think was there's a contradiction in an important part of pecker's testimony one where he says now that hope hicks was at this crucial meeting where they first started discussing this plan. but it turns out he didn't say that the first time he was asked by investigators now, not saying he is ruined as a witness, but this is the back-and-forth. i think he did a good job on direct. i'd be happy with it if i was the prosecutor, but now sit back because now he's taking taking on some damage yes. >> speaking from my time as a prosecutor, i agree. i think i would be happy if this were my witness. i think what stands out as something we talked about the other night actually, is that it's quite easy to point the finger at someone else, but i think what happened today is that pecker p
michael cohen. i thought i think they scored a nice point when they established michael cohen is always playing an angle for himself. >> they got that out of the state's witness, out of the da's witness. >> and the last thing i think was there's a contradiction in an important part of pecker's testimony one where he says now that hope hicks was at this crucial meeting where they first started discussing this plan. but it turns out he didn't say that the first time he was asked by...
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i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial. he's the one who negotiated the ndas with mcdougal and with stormy and the timeline is professor kim knows is crucial in any prosecution in august of 2016, keith david rohde will say this is public, that he had a meeting with dylan howard who unfortunately is not a key witness, has been brought up quite a lot. two, abbey, he discussed with karen mcdougal, haven't are on the cover of magazines, writing articles about intellectual topics the luncheon was a joke. it was to kill the case what happened was on our set october 7 access hollywood. after that tape came out, michael coh
i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial....
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michael cohen, legal fees. that's exactly what michael cohen said to them. it doesn't make a difference for tax purposes because the confidential sediment, remember this is pretty 2018. so the confidential settlement is just as deductible as legal fees are. so it doesn't have any tax benefit whatsoever. these are not public records. these are not books that are going to be but. in to, any fec filings. so it's not covering up any election law issues one of the frame to jump in there for one second, please. in court, because he's accused of something. >> yes, sir. just to jump in here, the point of the karen mcdougal store for you is not to say any of its criminal, but it's actually to establish the purpose of the whole scheme in general that trump cared more before the election, then he did after the election that david pecker knew that doing this at that particular time would be considered a campaign finance violations. so there are some elements of this the whole mo there's some elements of this that they are trying to establish for the purpose of the jury.
michael cohen, legal fees. that's exactly what michael cohen said to them. it doesn't make a difference for tax purposes because the confidential sediment, remember this is pretty 2018. so the confidential settlement is just as deductible as legal fees are. so it doesn't have any tax benefit whatsoever. these are not public records. these are not books that are going to be but. in to, any fec filings. so it's not covering up any election law issues one of the frame to jump in there for one...
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it's the way that donald trump and michael cohen and others set up the repayment to michael cohen on the stormy daniels payoff. that is the crime here that that we'll get to that david pecker does not know about that. he wouldn't be in position to know about that, but he setting the stage for them and i will add one little thing to that. what is most newsworthy? i acknowledge is all of these details about the human element and the sayyed too, all of this, what is legally most relevant is probably the guy with the green eye shade who will come testify at some point about accounting practices then the trump organization about how they handled and maintained their records, what they did with them, and what they knew about what the purpose of what they were doing was. that ends up being about pecker, is that he refused to pay for stormy daniels karen mcdougal was one thing, but he didn't want to pay for stormy daniels, whether it was cushy was a porn star or whatever is he said, i'm not a bank. i'm not going to pay for stormy. so that takes you out of his bank account into donald trump's
it's the way that donald trump and michael cohen and others set up the repayment to michael cohen on the stormy daniels payoff. that is the crime here that that we'll get to that david pecker does not know about that. he wouldn't be in position to know about that, but he setting the stage for them and i will add one little thing to that. what is most newsworthy? i acknowledge is all of these details about the human element and the sayyed too, all of this, what is legally most relevant is...
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cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does something like that expense, money, significant amount of money in that case, millions of dollars to produce something that could change people's opinions of the election to help their preferred candidate that was constitutionally protected, free speech. so that's that's what it's buying somebody silence. the same thing as free speech not free and it's not speech. >> it hasn't, it's an interesting question that should be tested. >> david says he called michael cohen because of the 2015 meeting he agreed to notify cone of anything he heard, quote
cohen and the story of michael cohen checks it out. it says these two people are employees of trump-world tower. it gets back to them and then david says he'll check out the store, but you say this is not necessarily a campaign country remember, citizens united dealt with the case where somebody, a documentary film maker made a film attacking hillary clinton, trying to make her look bad right before the election and that was held to not be a in-kind campaign contribution when media company does...
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michael cohen's name. he criticized him hey downplayed the legal work that michael cohen had done for the former president. and as you see there, the prosecutors are saying these violations were made with knowledge and beyond and willful beyond a reasonable doubt, which basically means trump knew this gag order was in place. he knew what the gag order limited him from saying, and he still willfully violated it. there presidentially right now, making their argument to this, judge before the defense has a chance to argue to him, but there was one moment as this got underway gym where trump's attorneys came into the room that prosecutors came into the room. judge, took the bench and then those attorneys and the judge went into a side room. it's not clear to us yet what they were discussing, but trump was sitting alone at the defense table while that was happening. they have now returned to the room and they are going through this essentially asking the judge to find a way to make trump's stop violating this g
michael cohen's name. he criticized him hey downplayed the legal work that michael cohen had done for the former president. and as you see there, the prosecutors are saying these violations were made with knowledge and beyond and willful beyond a reasonable doubt, which basically means trump knew this gag order was in place. he knew what the gag order limited him from saying, and he still willfully violated it. there presidentially right now, making their argument to this, judge before the...
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notably, michael cohen saying that michael cohen was obsessed with donald trump and his entire financial livelihood depends on trying to take down donald trump and we didn't we saw trump passing a lot of notes back and forth to his attorneys, but he he didn't react in any audible way or disrupted way in the proceedings which the judge has made clear he would not allow when the first witness taking the stand as david, he is a longtime friend of donald trump's when he walked into the courtroom, he actually came through a sayyed door and walked right behind where donald trump is sitting on his way to the witness stand and answer the prosecution's questions. they just were starting to set the table of what's to come establishing what ami is the american media, the publisher, the national enquirer the time, and david is role saying that he was the one that had the approval of any is the prosecutor put at juicy story. so just beginning to set up what will be the description of the catch and kill scheme that prosecutors allege this was all a part of and that all began in 2015 at a meeting at tr
notably, michael cohen saying that michael cohen was obsessed with donald trump and his entire financial livelihood depends on trying to take down donald trump and we didn't we saw trump passing a lot of notes back and forth to his attorneys, but he he didn't react in any audible way or disrupted way in the proceedings which the judge has made clear he would not allow when the first witness taking the stand as david, he is a longtime friend of donald trump's when he walked into the courtroom,...
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it was michael cohen. right? the reason you have these falsified business records allegedly is because he wanted to have some invoice. you wanted to have some way of getting his money back, having paints or made, daniel's that's where you had the allegations of invoices for a false retainer and false legal services provided. so this is all part of the overall context to shou. this has happened before. someone else has gotten nancy this time it was cohen and this is what happen when you did not pay back and you falsified so it is i mean, we've heard the argument being made by some people that on the politics of this dana bash this is not going to have an impact. >> you have both democrats who are convinced of donald trump's invincibility and republicans who are convinced that this is all going to be seen as a partisan and which aren't thinking this is not going to have an effect, but there are also those who say reminding people of all this lurid behavior is not going to be positive for donald trump one way or the
it was michael cohen. right? the reason you have these falsified business records allegedly is because he wanted to have some invoice. you wanted to have some way of getting his money back, having paints or made, daniel's that's where you had the allegations of invoices for a false retainer and false legal services provided. so this is all part of the overall context to shou. this has happened before. someone else has gotten nancy this time it was cohen and this is what happen when you did not...