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helped more. >> david pecker definitely helped the prosecution out because they laid out david pecker hur laid out the foundation. he gave us the background information, and he also changed the narrative. this is not just hush money case. we're talking about the purpose of this money. of killing di stories. what's that help this campaign? and you're hearing it from someone that i think was relatable to this jury. i think the jury's going to find him credible, find, and believable. so mendel, he was engaging in these catching kill schemes and when we go into a supermarket used to see the national enquirer be like, oh, my god. and now we know how that gets to be the front page of the paper. you got the information that this is exactly how it worked out when it came to donald trump and when it came to michael cohen. and this is something that i think the jury in plain terms, are able to digest and they don't know how to apply this information. but shortly after closing arguments and though extra read back to get more of his testimony, read back, there'll be able to put it all together. s
helped more. >> david pecker definitely helped the prosecution out because they laid out david pecker hur laid out the foundation. he gave us the background information, and he also changed the narrative. this is not just hush money case. we're talking about the purpose of this money. of killing di stories. what's that help this campaign? and you're hearing it from someone that i think was relatable to this jury. i think the jury's going to find him credible, find, and believable. so...
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he asked pecker if he felt cohen was prone to exaggeration pecker agreed he was after court, trump weighed in on the trial eight days that we sitting in this courthouse. >> i just want to thank everybody for being here you have to separate through this hey, everybody else michael cohen's banker would then took the witness stand in the afternoon and he was describing how he helped michael cohen's setup the bank account that he ultimately used for the shell company that transferred that $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. >> there's no court on monday, but this banker will be back on the stand tuesday for more questioning by prosecutors before trump's lawyers will get a turn at him. >> wolf, kara scannell outside the courthouse in new york. thanks very much. i want to bring in our legal experts right now, cnn's katelyn polantz and norm eisen are here and former trump attorney tim parlatore is here as well. and caitlin, let me start with you. i want to read an interesting line from michael cohen's banker, gary pharaoh. this is what gary farro testifying. every time michael cohen's spoke to me
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they focused on a key august 2015 meeting at trump tower with pecker& trump and cohen were pecker said he agreed to be the eyes and ears for the trump campaign, flagging any negative stories about trump to michael cohen the defense asked, did you ever are specifically use the term catch and kill in the meeting and pecker replied, no, i did not but then under redirect questioning from the prosecution, pecker reiterated the contents of the 2015 meeting, saying my understanding is those stories that come up, i would speak to michael cohen and tell them these are the stories that are going to be for sale that if we don't buy them somebody else will and then michael cohen would handle by them or trying to make sure that they don't ever get published unquote. so even if the term catch and kill wasn't used you wrote a book called catch and kill. is that not catching gill that is the definition of this colloquial term that has emerged around this catch and kill, which was a term that i and other journalists around this first started during from ami employees it was something of what's called a
they focused on a key august 2015 meeting at trump tower with pecker& trump and cohen were pecker said he agreed to be the eyes and ears for the trump campaign, flagging any negative stories about trump to michael cohen the defense asked, did you ever are specifically use the term catch and kill in the meeting and pecker replied, no, i did not but then under redirect questioning from the prosecution, pecker reiterated the contents of the 2015 meeting, saying my understanding is those...
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trump pecker acknowledged that negative press for trump's foes was generally good for business pecker said that if the false door man allegations had been true, he would have run the story after the election beauvais elicited from pecker that catch and kill. the term catch and kill buying a story in order to not run it so that it doesn't run anywhere else to protect mr. trump in this case, allegedly, tkatchenko was not discussed at the august 2015 meeting? the defense elicited from packer that he wanted nothing to do with the stormy daniels allegations and the defense made sure to spell out for the jurors that the karen mcdougal deal was reviewed by an election law attorney, jim. do any of these standout to you as important? bits of information for the defense of donald trump for the defense, i would say, you know, in hopefully you set this up an opening statement, but you need to just kinda pound home that were not fighting every single fact that moves in this case, we're not fighting whether or not i wouldn't be fighting the relationships doesn't matter. it's no more than the doorma
trump pecker acknowledged that negative press for trump's foes was generally good for business pecker said that if the false door man allegations had been true, he would have run the story after the election beauvais elicited from pecker that catch and kill. the term catch and kill buying a story in order to not run it so that it doesn't run anywhere else to protect mr. trump in this case, allegedly, tkatchenko was not discussed at the august 2015 meeting? the defense elicited from packer that...
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about david pecker is testimony about here comes the defendant himself watching, walking up to the to the cameras it is friday afternoon, 4:30 p.m. let's listen in thank you very much. this is eight days that we've all sitting in this courthouse this is biden indictment. it's an order to try and win an election. political opponent nothing like this has ever happened eight days you know. >> the economy is falling apart down. now you saying it very little growth, it's going to get worse. oil prices are going up. >> you have the college campuses all over, glows our country is going to hell. >> and we sit here day after, day after day, which is their plan. let's they think they might be able to eat, got an election. but i as the bulk numbers are very good for us, i just want to say that i've invited biden to debate a can do it anytime you want, including tonight. ready? do we find it up to the courthouse and he has tied up in the distillation hoping that through washington it's a well related attack on a political opponent. >> but here, i'm ready, willing, and able, and to be once i'll bu
about david pecker is testimony about here comes the defendant himself watching, walking up to the to the cameras it is friday afternoon, 4:30 p.m. let's listen in thank you very much. this is eight days that we've all sitting in this courthouse this is biden indictment. it's an order to try and win an election. political opponent nothing like this has ever happened eight days you know. >> the economy is falling apart down. now you saying it very little growth, it's going to get worse....
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he also tried to catch david pecker in some inconsistencies in here his testimony, david pecker has been cooperating with prosecutors, the federal prosecutors and the district attorney's office for several years now. and so they were focusing on remember, the testimony about a january 2017 meeting at trump tower that david pecker walked into all donald trump was finishing up a meeting with some of with the f then cia director james comey and others and during this meeting is when david pecker testified that there was that he had a conversation so what donald trump donald trump thanked him for taking care of the doorman's story in the karen mcdougal story so donald trump's attorneys pressed him on notes from previous interview had given with investigators. and in that interview notes he said, according to the fbi's nodes, that david pecker told them that donald trump did not express any gratitude david pecker dug in on that today saying that the fbi knows were wrong and that his testimony over the past few days is that correct accurate testimony? so a lot of back and forth over different
he also tried to catch david pecker in some inconsistencies in here his testimony, david pecker has been cooperating with prosecutors, the federal prosecutors and the district attorney's office for several years now. and so they were focusing on remember, the testimony about a january 2017 meeting at trump tower that david pecker walked into all donald trump was finishing up a meeting with some of with the f then cia director james comey and others and during this meeting is when david pecker...
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david pecker. we'll be right back how would really happened sunday at nine on cnn. >> you know, when i take the bike out like this, all my stress is just melt away. >> i hear that is bad. boy can fix anything yeah. >> tough day at work, nice cruises sorts. >> you write out when i'm writing, i'm not even thinking about my painful cavity he shouldn't ignore it. and every time i get stressed about having to pay my bills hop. on the bike, man, i'll come on. >> you got to pay your bills. >> you don't have to worry about anything when you're protected by america's number one motorcycle insurer? >> well, you definitely do those things aren't related so that is a vibrating pain at morgan stanley old-school hard work meets ball new thinking to help you see untapped possibilities and relax leslie, work with you to make them real okay. yeah, we got orders coming in, starting a business is never easy. a star near eight months pregnant that's a different story. sorry. >> i couldn't slow down. we were starting a
david pecker. we'll be right back how would really happened sunday at nine on cnn. >> you know, when i take the bike out like this, all my stress is just melt away. >> i hear that is bad. boy can fix anything yeah. >> tough day at work, nice cruises sorts. >> you write out when i'm writing, i'm not even thinking about my painful cavity he shouldn't ignore it. and every time i get stressed about having to pay my bills hop. on the bike, man, i'll come on. >> you got...
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today. >> so david pecker will be back on the stand. he will be continuing with cross-examinati on. you are expecting that the prosecution to redirect after that, correct absolutely. >> yeah. of course. they get that option before we even maybe see who the next witness is redirected fact, it's very unclear, actually it david pecker will finish today. i mean, it is a full court today, so it's very likely he will, but we don't really quite know the timing just yet but we are waiting to see, like you said, sarah, who is the next witness, is it someone who deals with the accounting inside ami or within the trump organization or is it michael cohen, another quite arguably the star witness for the prosecution so we'll have to wait and see. of course, we don't know because they are not giving away that witness lists or rather the order of that witness list. this ahead of time because of the fear that donald trump will post about them on social media and such. so we'll standby all right. >> brand jin grass standing by for court to resume. appre
today. >> so david pecker will be back on the stand. he will be continuing with cross-examinati on. you are expecting that the prosecution to redirect after that, correct absolutely. >> yeah. of course. they get that option before we even maybe see who the next witness is redirected fact, it's very unclear, actually it david pecker will finish today. i mean, it is a full court today, so it's very likely he will, but we don't really quite know the timing just yet but we are waiting...
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pecker says, we did not sign. glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that. >> was the meat and bones of the prosecution's case in terms the idea that this was all tied to the campaign, that this wasn't a personal thing that wasn't what rudy giuliani is to talk about it. oh, was just disparate as family the embarrassment. >> no the entire criminal congruent between ami and donald trump threw my cohen was to assist the campaign to catch and kill these stories for the purpose of assist in this campaign. >> david pecker himself knew very well this was a campaign finance viol
pecker says, we did not sign. glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross...
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. >> the former tabloid publisher david pecker, back on the stand yesterday, describing to jurors how he paid a former playboy playmate to keep her quiet about an alleged affair with trump and how his decision not to pay for stormy daniels story led to michael cohen ultimately paying for it. judge juan merchan also announcing he'd hold a hearing next wednesday where he's going to make a decision about whether trump violated his gag order. that supposed to be an off day for the trial after court wrapped up yesterday, trump seemed to walk back his vow to testify in his hush money trial well, if it's necessary right now, i don't know if you heard about today. >> today, was just incredible. people are saying the experts, i'm talking about legal scholars and experts this saying what kind of a cases is there is no case joining me now to break all this down, cnn legal analyst, joey jackson, joe good morning. >> i always wonderful to have you with us. thanks for kicking us off today. >> let's start with the oral arguments that we saw before the supreme court yesterday. >> what stood out to yo
. >> the former tabloid publisher david pecker, back on the stand yesterday, describing to jurors how he paid a former playboy playmate to keep her quiet about an alleged affair with trump and how his decision not to pay for stormy daniels story led to michael cohen ultimately paying for it. judge juan merchan also announcing he'd hold a hearing next wednesday where he's going to make a decision about whether trump violated his gag order. that supposed to be an off day for the trial after...
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pecker? we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization. >> steinglass. and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hur's the campaign. and that's just one of the many times where pecker is indirect. basically said this was for the campaign, not for a personal reason. it's incredibly important because as we keep hearing from this gentleman, like what's the crime here? there's the crime that this is an illegal campaign contribution that is funneled through funneled through ami american media, the national enquirer for the benefit of donald trouser, house of a campaign contribution. because it's money spent for the benefit of the campaign. oh, come on. you don't think that's pecker gave some really important testimony today about that where he said that when it got close to the campaign, trump express concern about stories coming out about allegations of affa
pecker? we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization. >> steinglass. and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hur's the campaign. and that's just one of the many times where pecker is indirect. basically said this was for the campaign, not for a personal reason. it's incredibly important because as we keep hearing from this gentleman, like what's...
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pecker said when mr. trump called me he said, he asked me if i saw the stormy daniels interview with anderson cooper and i said yes, i did. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name or do anything like this. and each time she reaches the agreement it is a one million-dollar penalty and based on the interview with anderson cooper, donald trump talk about himself she owes him $24 million. john says, that is what donald trump told you, pecker said, that is what he told me. >> you recently interviewed stormy daniels. there is some money -- >> that was a desperate problem for stormy daniels. but when she was represented by michael, he slew donald trump on her behalf for defamation. that case was not only thrown out of court but the judge in california awarded attorney fees to donald trump because the judge said the case was frivolous. those were assessed against the client, stormy daniels, not against the lawyer. that debt which has been multiplying is currently about $67
pecker said when mr. trump called me he said, he asked me if i saw the stormy daniels interview with anderson cooper and i said yes, i did. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name or do anything like this. and each time she reaches the agreement it is a one million-dollar penalty and based on the interview with anderson cooper, donald trump talk about himself she owes him $24 million. john says, that is what donald trump told you, pecker said, that is...
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>> there is a feeling that pecker is a strong witness. there is also a lot of apprehension about some of the witnesses. michael cohen is at is at some point going to have to takes the stand and prosecutors are looking at positioning that midway through next month. there is a mounting sense of anxiety, particularly over the course of this week about how noisy michael cohen is and how he is a loose cannon. i have had contact with him over the years and i think i understand and empathize with all of the reasons he is in a stressful position right now. to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team, finally amount i am going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast. he was just spouting vulgarities all of the time about trump. he had started a fundraising campaign. these were all things that made prosecutors nervous about positioning him as a meaningful witness in this case. >> as we await this testimony, this was the new yor
>> there is a feeling that pecker is a strong witness. there is also a lot of apprehension about some of the witnesses. michael cohen is at is at some point going to have to takes the stand and prosecutors are looking at positioning that midway through next month. there is a mounting sense of anxiety, particularly over the course of this week about how noisy michael cohen is and how he is a loose cannon. i have had contact with him over the years and i think i understand and empathize...
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pecker says, yes. steinglass says, did either you or ami every report to the federal election commission in 2016 that ami had made a $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. pecker said as no, we did not. >> steinglass asked, why did in my make this purchase of karen mcdougal story pecker, we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization steinglass. >> and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? >> i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. and that's just one of the many times where pecker in direct basically said this was for the campaign, not for a personal reason. >> it's incredibly important because as we keep hearing from this gentleman, like what's the crime here? there's the crime that this is an illegal campaign contribution that is funneled through funneled through ami american media, the national enquirer for the benefit of donald charles. >> i was at a campaign contribution because it
pecker says, yes. steinglass says, did either you or ami every report to the federal election commission in 2016 that ami had made a $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. pecker said as no, we did not. >> steinglass asked, why did in my make this purchase of karen mcdougal story pecker, we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization steinglass. >> and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? >> i didn't want we didn't...
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former president asking him, at that moment, according to pecker house, karen doing two which pecker says he replied, quote, she's doing well, she's quiet. everything is going good in another conversation, pecker said trump preferred to mcdougal is our girl. pecker also suggested that trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels when each broke their silence will bring you excerpts in our coverage tonight. >> in washington, the supreme court oral arguments were underway and the conservatives who as we know, have a majority on the court, appeared to embrace at least some form of criminal immunity for presidents, the liberal minority, by contrast, focused on the temptation that might be it for a future president if they have that what i'm i more worried about using to be worried about the president being chilled. i think that we would have a really significant opposite problem if the president wasn't chilled if someone with those kinds of powers, the most powerful person in the world with the greatest amount of authority could go into office knowing that there
former president asking him, at that moment, according to pecker house, karen doing two which pecker says he replied, quote, she's doing well, she's quiet. everything is going good in another conversation, pecker said trump preferred to mcdougal is our girl. pecker also suggested that trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels when each broke their silence will bring you excerpts in our coverage tonight. >> in washington, the supreme court oral arguments were...
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pecker's answer. i thought it was for the campaign we have a lot to talk about within legal commentator and former trump white house lawyer, jim shultz for repel or prosecutor jean rossi, former january 6 committee investigative counsel, markets childress. former us attorney, and the author of the forthcoming book, pardon power. it can wally and former republican congressman joe walsh so glad to have all of you guys here. i want to ask you first about what took place. there was the cross-examination here, marcus, because there was a lot i mean, this is not the michael cohen witness where everyone knows you're gonna go after his credibility. in fact, that he has different guilty pleas for false false statements and beyond this, would david pecker, a long time? friend, who has immunity, who has a non-prosecution agreement. >> how did they do what you're trying to chip away at this point on cross-examination, you're not one for knock-out, blow i mean, we've heard you talk about the jigsaw puzzle for the
pecker's answer. i thought it was for the campaign we have a lot to talk about within legal commentator and former trump white house lawyer, jim shultz for repel or prosecutor jean rossi, former january 6 committee investigative counsel, markets childress. former us attorney, and the author of the forthcoming book, pardon power. it can wally and former republican congressman joe walsh so glad to have all of you guys here. i want to ask you first about what took place. there was the...
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trump, he was skeptical of that pecker says, yes. prosecutor says, how about when you explain the reason that you wanted to extend her contract to mr. trump, ms hicks, and ms sanders, how to mr. trump react to the new plan or how did he react to that plan during that second congress? for station pecker answers, saying trump said, it's your business. you do whatever you plan on doing. so guys, it really talks about how pecker was still moving on this and working with karen mcdougal even after trump took office and having these phone calls with very high level people within the white house during the presidency still dealing with the fallout of these catch and kill deals that they had made leading up to the election yeah. >> the other thing that strikes out to me, laura, about that is that after the election, trump is like whatever you want to do is just fine tim, what did you hear and all of that? >> i mean, a lot of this stuff and i know that everybody wants to say, oh, this is all criminality of the campaigns and everything. but the
trump, he was skeptical of that pecker says, yes. prosecutor says, how about when you explain the reason that you wanted to extend her contract to mr. trump, ms hicks, and ms sanders, how to mr. trump react to the new plan or how did he react to that plan during that second congress? for station pecker answers, saying trump said, it's your business. you do whatever you plan on doing. so guys, it really talks about how pecker was still moving on this and working with karen mcdougal even after...
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pecker says, yes, beauvais. and that included celebrities, right? pecker? yes. and most celebrities wanted positive treatment and i'll public occasions, right? bakker, they do. and you had a relationship like this with other politicians correct? becker says, yes. and you are aware that many politicians work with immediate inner try to promote their image, right? pecker says, yes, and promote their brand pecker says yes to facilitate their campaign, correct? pecker says yes standard brink procedure, as you understand it, correct? david pecker says yes. and in fact that another place david becker says, the first time he heard the phrase catch and kill was from investigators when they were asking him about this, they say before this investigation started, you had not heard the phrase catch and kill david becker says, that's correct. i thought that was a very pretty skillful cross-examining and a good read, write, and even, even better you should have taken that law school. >> but anyway but isn't the answer. >> so what ultimately you know, he he hadn't covered up f
pecker says, yes, beauvais. and that included celebrities, right? pecker? yes. and most celebrities wanted positive treatment and i'll public occasions, right? bakker, they do. and you had a relationship like this with other politicians correct? becker says, yes. and you are aware that many politicians work with immediate inner try to promote their image, right? pecker says, yes, and promote their brand pecker says yes to facilitate their campaign, correct? pecker says yes standard brink...
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pecker said, so mr. trump said when he called me, he said, did you see anderson cooper interview with karen mcdougal? i said yes. he said i thought you had and we had an agreement with karen mcdougal that she can't give any interviews or beyond any television shows. so i said, yes. i said we had an agreement by amended it to allow her to speak to the press. does trump got very aggravated when he heard that i mended it. he couldn't understand why i said karen had a two-year agreement. she was flooded with requests from the press for interviews and i amended her agreement at that time, trump said, well, then you paid her. i said yes, i paid her an amended the agreement. he was very upset. he couldn't understand why i did it. in quote, i just want to play what karen mcdougal actually said during the interview or not, we don't have it why would he have why would he have amended? >> i don't understand why would david pecker have amended that agreement with karen mcdougal? >> it's not, clear to me either. i me
pecker said, so mr. trump said when he called me, he said, did you see anderson cooper interview with karen mcdougal? i said yes. he said i thought you had and we had an agreement with karen mcdougal that she can't give any interviews or beyond any television shows. so i said, yes. i said we had an agreement by amended it to allow her to speak to the press. does trump got very aggravated when he heard that i mended it. he couldn't understand why i said karen had a two-year agreement. she was...
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i introduce pecker and pecker comes on stage and he's a showman. he's a real showman. and then it brings out arnold crowd goes while and then he says, are and we're going to the end. congratulations on being governor and all that we're so thrilled you're still going to be connected, but with the magazines because we know so much a party you and as this competition shows that your life but you won't. we're not he's not going to pay an arnold says, i'm going to donate my salary to charity so the los angeles times does a deep dive into this relationship because ami, even though they weren't publicly traded stock, they were publicly traded bonds. so they had to do the same kind of reporting. and they found that a shell company and traced it back. and let's schwarzenegger. so he gets the money and then became obviously a major bone of contention in this piece to show the arnold was trying to make money off of being governor. the same way trump made money being president. so there was getting the goods on that was important. >> and so some of this came up, i mean, jeremy, yo
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and david pecker. so we'll see if we could see a second witness begin to take the stand even tomorrow afternoon, even better. >> one of the questions one of the first questions they asked for comments was so ami isn't a charity organization, is you're making a profit off of all of this really making him seem like this is about greed and that's all to get the jury thinking that they don't like this person. >> yeah. important point. it was interesting. i thought that kaitlyn that david pecker testified about a call with two top white house staffers at the time who picks and sarah huckabee sanders would that reveal as someone who covered the white house and remembers sarah sanders being at the white house briefing room where obviously all three of us have sat at one point, she had to deny allegations about karen mcdougal citing conversations that she had with donald trump to hear that review still today that there was a call with the national enquirer tabloid king, hope hicks and sarah sanders while they
and david pecker. so we'll see if we could see a second witness begin to take the stand even tomorrow afternoon, even better. >> one of the questions one of the first questions they asked for comments was so ami isn't a charity organization, is you're making a profit off of all of this really making him seem like this is about greed and that's all to get the jury thinking that they don't like this person. >> yeah. important point. it was interesting. i thought that kaitlyn that...
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former tabloid magnate david pecker is expected to be back on the stand. trump's defense team will continue their cross-examination. we're also still waiting on the judge's decision for a potential punishment for trump for allegedly violating the gag order that has been issued, telling him to not bad mouth or even discuss jurors, witnesses, and others tune in tonight to get up to speed on what played out in the case today, it's a special ac30 60 in which aac anderson cooper will go through the major moments in the hush money cover-up. the trial. that's tonight at eight only here on cnn until tomorrow, you can follow me on facebook, instagram, threads x, formerly known as twitter, on the tiktok, i take tapper you can follow the show on twitter at the leads semen. if you ever miss an episode of lead, you can
former tabloid magnate david pecker is expected to be back on the stand. trump's defense team will continue their cross-examination. we're also still waiting on the judge's decision for a potential punishment for trump for allegedly violating the gag order that has been issued, telling him to not bad mouth or even discuss jurors, witnesses, and others tune in tonight to get up to speed on what played out in the case today, it's a special ac30 60 in which aac anderson cooper will go through the...
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pecker's in his 70s, et cetera. trump has his arms folded across his body watching pecker answer his attorneys questions specifically, he was poking holes in the memory of where trump was in august 2015 and you remember that's that consequential meeting between pecker and cohen and trump setting up the whole scheme and the defense here is clearly trying to say you're not quite remembering if trump was in town or not in town. just trying to bring in this cloud of suspicion around what he presented jury in the prosecution's time in pecker said earlier when presented with the fact that stormy daniels had this story out there, this adult film star in directors alleging that she had had an encounter with mr. trump. pecker testified, quote, i said, i don't want the national enquirer to be associated with porn star. >> he added that walmart was the main distributor of the magazine and it would be very bad for ami, the publishing company that produces the national enquirer, pecker also said, if anyone was going to buy it in
pecker's in his 70s, et cetera. trump has his arms folded across his body watching pecker answer his attorneys questions specifically, he was poking holes in the memory of where trump was in august 2015 and you remember that's that consequential meeting between pecker and cohen and trump setting up the whole scheme and the defense here is clearly trying to say you're not quite remembering if trump was in town or not in town. just trying to bring in this cloud of suspicion around what he...
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david pecker said, yes, it was later david pecker testified, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign prosecutors are going to say, look, the motive was campaign donald trump's team is going to say well, there was also a personal motive here for donald trump's. so look for that on cross now eventually they enter into a contract with karen mcdougal, ami, david pecker enters into a contract that donald trump himself was not part of. and david pecker said the purpose of that agreement was to disguise the true nature of the contract. they didn't want the public learning about karen mcdougal's allegations. now that brings us to sort of between chapter two and chapter three. the big thing that happens is the access hollywood tape came out and the jury's not seeing that tape, but they've learned about it. this is where donald trump gets caught on camera talking about, you can grab them by the blank, et cetera. we remember that tape and pecker said, when that takes it came out, it was very embarrassing, very damaging. again, to the campaign importan
david pecker said, yes, it was later david pecker testified, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign prosecutors are going to say, look, the motive was campaign donald trump's team is going to say well, there was also a personal motive here for donald trump's. so look for that on cross now eventually they enter into a contract with karen mcdougal, ami, david pecker enters into a contract that donald trump himself was not part of. and david pecker...
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pecker explains the by the boss. donald, every appellate lawyer is going to be looking at this portion of the testimony very closely for the reasons because this is not the charged conduct. >> this is the prior behavior that creates a pattern at the prosecution's talking to say, this is what they normally did stormy seem different. here's who paid or didn't pay. here's the timing of it is closer to the election. >> is there a look at these issues and say to themselves, should the jury be hearing this information, it is it is prejudicial, but it also was probative. >> do this, they have to balance these two things to figure out what the duration actually here inside some cases have already been overturned for these very reasons to suggest if the jury hears two months, it might be about non charged conduct is problematic, but trump now it's covering with attorneys as he's testifying where hearing a little bit of color in the core mu shutting his eyes as he listened to remember this person, david pecker, someone he knew
pecker explains the by the boss. donald, every appellate lawyer is going to be looking at this portion of the testimony very closely for the reasons because this is not the charged conduct. >> this is the prior behavior that creates a pattern at the prosecution's talking to say, this is what they normally did stormy seem different. here's who paid or didn't pay. here's the timing of it is closer to the election. >> is there a look at these issues and say to themselves, should the...
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david pecker is on the stand. we lacked asked her from pecker on tuesday. he was just beginning to tell the story of karen mcdougal, the former playboy playmate,& the acquirer's efforts to bury her story about an alleged relationship with trump. this gets to the heart of the criminal case. it's against him. we will bring it to you live as it happens this is pickleball, is basically tenants for babies, but for adults, it should be called, with full tennis yeah. >> get caught up on them like a piano we got nothing to worry about with e-trade for morgan stanley. we're ready for whatever gets served up till you got to work on your chest off i'd rather work on saving for retirement for college since we'd like to get schooled that's pretty good burned, right. got to the game thanks for coming to our clinic. >> first one's free. >> kinda riva support your brain health. >> mary janet, hey, eddie know fraser, franck. frank bred. how are you? >> fred fuel up to seven brain health indicators, including your memory, joined the neretva brain health challenge hi, my name
david pecker is on the stand. we lacked asked her from pecker on tuesday. he was just beginning to tell the story of karen mcdougal, the former playboy playmate,& the acquirer's efforts to bury her story about an alleged relationship with trump. this gets to the heart of the criminal case. it's against him. we will bring it to you live as it happens this is pickleball, is basically tenants for babies, but for adults, it should be called, with full tennis yeah. >> get caught up on them...
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i raised david pecker, asieh, what he thought at the testimony asked the last time talked to david pecker, you just said that pecker was a nice guy. ladies and please, with the testimony, but he also talked about those critical immunity arguments. take a listen. >> we have a big case today. this the judges and on me to go. we have a big case in the supreme court or presidential immunity. a president he stab immunity if you don't have a unit, you just have a ceremonial president he also said that the supreme court justices were smart at one point, said, sounded like he was saying that they we're going to do the right thing or he believed that they would do the right thing. >> but again all of this, he's making his campaign stop because of the fact that he is in court now four days a week and they are trying to figure out ways to keep them engaged with voters. they believe that this is very important for him and they'd become resigned to the fact that this is what the next several weeks is going to look like. so today, they did this pre courts stop meeting with working class voters kristen.
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he called pecker quote, unquote, very nice. so there is an assessment on that one and then he also talked briefly about the immunity arguments that are set to play out in the supreme court this morning, looking at whether or not he will be immune from prosecution in the special counsel's january 6 case. he said it was a big case. fair enough. >> and that he said also the president's need to have immunity because if not quote, you'll just have a ceremonial president, elliot williams is actually very good place to pick back up on the conversation we were having before we went to listen to that. >> he's absolutely right. a president ought to have immunity and presidents do have immunity from civil suits for things that happen to them when they're in an office. now, the question and he's not being totally candid here. the question is, are presidents absolutely immune from criminal prosecution for things they do an office and the hypothetical that his team's simply was not able to answer the lower court was what happens? if a presid
he called pecker quote, unquote, very nice. so there is an assessment on that one and then he also talked briefly about the immunity arguments that are set to play out in the supreme court this morning, looking at whether or not he will be immune from prosecution in the special counsel's january 6 case. he said it was a big case. fair enough. >> and that he said also the president's need to have immunity because if not quote, you'll just have a ceremonial president, elliot williams is...
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pecker& the prosecutor, to build up this notion that michael cohen was the conduit. he was acting on behalf of donald trump and corroborating cohen's testimony. so when college i'm testifies to exactly what pecker did, we can't say. he's a liar, liar, liar. that's not true. pecker already said it was because that laundry list you noted about that that makes michael cohen a public figure, also raises a heck of a lot of questions about his credibility that we know the defense is going to talk about joey jackson. thank you very much for being with us this morning. i really appreciate it. >> nothing going on, casey. >> nothing at all. all right. >> now, to this house speaker mike johnson calling on columbia university's president to resign during his tense visit to the new york city campus yesterday johnson visited with jewish students and delivered remarks works with other republican lawmakers as he was booed the entire time. >> it is manifest my message to the students inside the encampment is good. go back to class and stop the nonsense. stop wasting your parents mone
pecker& the prosecutor, to build up this notion that michael cohen was the conduit. he was acting on behalf of donald trump and corroborating cohen's testimony. so when college i'm testifies to exactly what pecker did, we can't say. he's a liar, liar, liar. that's not true. pecker already said it was because that laundry list you noted about that that makes michael cohen a public figure, also raises a heck of a lot of questions about his credibility that we know the defense is going to talk...
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say about pecker's testimony. and that testimony is going to include all the details about the hush money payment to stormy daniels. pecker will be asked about it in detail when he's back in court tomorrow morning. >> and remember, pecker was the one who helped broker the deal between michael cohen, trump's fixer, and former attorney and stormy daniels. >> and this whole deal was about keeping daniel's quiet about an alleged affair with trump. here is the secret audio tape between michael cohen and trump himself. >> i need to open up a company for the transfer of all the info regarding friend david so that i'm going to do that right away. i've actually come up and i've spoken to allen weisselberg about how to set the whole thing up with where we are funding that yes and it's all the stuff i mean trump on tape. so what do we got to pay for this one 50. >> and our friend david, that they're referring to is david pecker. and tomorrow that friend because now i put that in quotes. apparently they're not speaking will b
say about pecker's testimony. and that testimony is going to include all the details about the hush money payment to stormy daniels. pecker will be asked about it in detail when he's back in court tomorrow morning. >> and remember, pecker was the one who helped broker the deal between michael cohen, trump's fixer, and former attorney and stormy daniels. >> and this whole deal was about keeping daniel's quiet about an alleged affair with trump. here is the secret audio tape between...
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for it, but i think it was both for david pecker. i think he was an associate in business person for with donald trump for a very long period of time and then came this crucial critical meeting in 2015, where they formulated this conspiracy to illegally or an awfully allegedly is what the prosecution is going to say interfere with the election and it was all about the election at that point. and we know because one of the things he said was with the doorman that was not we were not able to confirm that story. in fact, we debunked it, but had it been real, we would have released it after the election. it was very clear that what they were doing was about the election and at that point when you're paying, wasn't to protect melania trump. it was about the right if it was, then he wouldn't have released it after the election. he was doing these catch and kills fine. but when it was about the election, those when you're paying people, it's an in-kind donation and you have to declare that at a dangerous point, there and asked him whether y
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pecker? donald trump has not attacked david pecker, and i think it may be because he feels that pecker still has a little bit of power over him you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left. >> david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting. >> make a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead. the other consequential case looming over donald trump with the us supreme court preparing to hear arguments tomorrow. on his claim of presidential immunity from the federal law. january 6, case. we'll be right back his new album is breaking records gets to say what country is comey country beyond, say a nashville's on april 26, streaming exclusively on mats thi
pecker? donald trump has not attacked david pecker, and i think it may be because he feels that pecker still has a little bit of power over him you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left. >> david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't...
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we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in in this dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more for up tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 20 when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen, and david pecker about being eyes and the ears of a campaign and how they were going to find the stories that were negative about trump are salacious about trump, bury them and promote stories that were positive ahead of that campaign. they went into detail about that trump tower doorman who had a story about a woman who claimed that she fathered a child or he fathered a child of her and then before court wrapped up and david pecker was done for the day they got into the details of but another playboy playmate, karen mcdougal, who of course alleged affair a wi
we're talking about david pecker. amanda has been friends with donald trump's since the 80s, sitting right across from him in in this dan, just feet away from the former president as he stares him down, giving these dirty details about this catch and kill scheme in full detail. that is what we are expecting more for up tomorrow. and that all started of course, as we've learned from the testimony in august 20 when they made that deal between trump, michael cohen, and david pecker about being...
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participants, donald trump, david pecker, and michael cohen where according to pecker, this is where they first said donald trump is now running for office and we need to take care of these stories that might make him look bad in the campaign. very importantly, in the campaign, we're going to hear from michael cohen, of course, about that meeting two, that's how you though about what the cross might look like. you're obviously hearing the direct examination right now with the prosecution. this is their lead witness they're asking questions, but then the defense is going to have their bite at the apple. >> yeah. i think there's gonna be a couple of main lines of cross-examination. david pecker is testifying pursuant to what we call a non-prosecution agreement, meaning prosecutors have given him a free pass in exchange for his testimony, and i think the cross-examination argument is going to be first of all, was there a crime here or not? and if so, why or you walk when they're trying to lock up donald trump, how is that fair? we also are going to hear i think cross-examination about w
participants, donald trump, david pecker, and michael cohen where according to pecker, this is where they first said donald trump is now running for office and we need to take care of these stories that might make him look bad in the campaign. very importantly, in the campaign, we're going to hear from michael cohen, of course, about that meeting two, that's how you though about what the cross might look like. you're obviously hearing the direct examination right now with the prosecution. this...
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. >> but on what we're about to hear on the witness stand, we're hearing from david pecker right now, but we know that we expect stormy daniels and karen mcdougal to get up there potentially. >> i just remind everyone what karen mcdougal has said about her alleged affair with donald trump when i got what ham actually, there was a there was a real relationship there, there was real if they were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just him. >> there was a rare relationship. there. were you in love with him? >> i want to and do you think he was in love with you? >> he was. yeah did don't trump ever say to you that he loved you all the time? i still me he loved me no. >> i don't maybe this is not a question, but is monitor angry are about stormy daniels or karen mcdougal? >> well, this is something i reported on back in the de for cnn and she's far more concerned, an emotional about karen mcdougal cool. because mostly of the things that she just said there to anderson cooper she was in her home, right? she don't jump took her to their their private personal home and
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pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit of power over him. you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting you. >> a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead. the other consequential case looming over donald trump with the us supreme court preparing to hear arguments tomorrow on his claim of presidential immunity from the federal law. january 6 case we'll be right back so this to playoffs, great teammates trust each other. >> we're going to do a trust falls, stand up, trust what you're certainly up doc told you here's a dummy kinda riva support your brain health. married janet. hey, eddie, know fraser, franck. frank bred
pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit of power over him. you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do...
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as the star witness, everybody says michael cohen has, but pecker in terms of what he's revealing is pretty important. >> i agree. and i think he's i know he's going to have better credibility that michael cohen and here's a case in point. the southern district of new york spent a lot of time with both of them. the southern district of new york made a decision back to three years ago to give david pecker a non-profit because they believed him they did not make that decision. and they said to the contrary to michael cohen sentencing judge, he was not fully forth. >> how do you think that defense is going to handle david pecker? >> i think they're going to try a couple of things. one, they will attack that very non-profit, non-prosecution agreement that we've been talking about. they're going to argue this is unfair. why are you walking free when donald trump, they're trying to lock up donald trump and they're going to argue, you are trying to please the prosecutors. they gave you a sweetheart deal. you're on the palm of their hand. i think the other thing they're going to do and i don
as the star witness, everybody says michael cohen has, but pecker in terms of what he's revealing is pretty important. >> i agree. and i think he's i know he's going to have better credibility that michael cohen and here's a case in point. the southern district of new york spent a lot of time with both of them. the southern district of new york made a decision back to three years ago to give david pecker a non-profit because they believed him they did not make that decision. and they said...
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>> and it was very clear that on a go forward basis, the pecker was to deal with cohen on these issues other than the mcdougal issue, there was no testimony that donald trump had any hadn't much contact, if any, with packer relative to the deals that are central to this case? so i think we need to see more from that discussion. and i really think what's going to happen is the issue at hand is going to be really determined by the testimony of michael cohen. and will the jury believed that testimony given this public vendetta, he has against his former boss that is an open question whether the credibility of michael cohen before a jury is going to be some something that will land with them. gym, we have to cut the conversation short because we're monitoring breaking news. we do appreciate your time. thanks for being with us. >> thank you. >> of course we're going to take a quick break as we monitor these protests erupting on college campuses all over the united states. >> state would see on a new central every piece of evidence tells a story how it really happened with jesse l martin sun
>> and it was very clear that on a go forward basis, the pecker was to deal with cohen on these issues other than the mcdougal issue, there was no testimony that donald trump had any hadn't much contact, if any, with packer relative to the deals that are central to this case? so i think we need to see more from that discussion. and i really think what's going to happen is the issue at hand is going to be really determined by the testimony of michael cohen. and will the jury believed that...
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pecker's testimony is that it is not generally it is not illegal to do sleazy things to influence an election shen in the way of trying to win it. and i think the big challenge for the prosecutors in this case is distinguishing between the fraud and the actual way to affect the election in an illegal way. that is different than just sort of unsavory conduct. yeah. they're clearly the prosecution is clearly with pecker trying to lay the groundwork of donald trump being somebody who would never allow for alleged fraudulent documents to be to go forward without him knowing about it, and that's clearly part of this. thank you. sorry. short, we're going to have a lot more to talk about in the next few weeks. thank you so much, kara, as well. up next the biden white house is staying far away from trump's legal problems, but what about the biden reelection campaign they tuned when you're the leader is ask the cleanup and the curation. how do you make like it never even happen happened whatever comes your way there's a pro for that serve bro like never even happened imagine a future where pl
pecker's testimony is that it is not generally it is not illegal to do sleazy things to influence an election shen in the way of trying to win it. and i think the big challenge for the prosecutors in this case is distinguishing between the fraud and the actual way to affect the election in an illegal way. that is different than just sort of unsavory conduct. yeah. they're clearly the prosecution is clearly with pecker trying to lay the groundwork of donald trump being somebody who would never...
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and that's what they do with david pecker. so all of this testimony about this is what we would do if we learned something that could damage his candidacy. and that was explicit in this meeting that they had it's all about the election, then we would kill that story. so that's what they're proving with this test. simona, it also has the side benefit of dirty up the defendant a bit totally legitimately because it does go to this critical issue that they have to prove. but it's disgusting what they did about false statement of false stories that they would plant about his opponents. and so you kind of get this side benefit of the jury thinking wow, that's really dirty play that the defendant was engaged in with david pecker and the political world donald trump is always talking about things being rigged. but in this case, this was something being rigged in his favor i do wanna ask you, elliot, as we go forward, pecker is going to continue to take the stand. what do we expecting to hear or on thursday because some of the salaciou
and that's what they do with david pecker. so all of this testimony about this is what we would do if we learned something that could damage his candidacy. and that was explicit in this meeting that they had it's all about the election, then we would kill that story. so that's what they're proving with this test. simona, it also has the side benefit of dirty up the defendant a bit totally legitimately because it does go to this critical issue that they have to prove. but it's disgusting what...
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david pecker was on stand for two-and-a-half hours yesterday. we'll be back on the sanne. he's expected to be on thursday after everything you saw from david pecker in from the line of questioning from prosecutors, what do you think what do you think he needs to do or they want him to do, come thursday, how much damage do you think he's going to do? he's telling a very interesting and compelling story, but everything he's told so far, while certainly immoral, while certainly dishonest is not illegal. >> here, he's talking about things that are unfortunately legal. they are unfortunately part of campaigns. the idea that people would pay money to create false information to make their opponent look bad. other campaigns have done that. the steele dossier is a good example of that with the so-called trump p tape and everything else. so it is the unfortunate reality, what they need to do is then tie that to the false business records and i don't think that they're going to be able to do that with this witness. i think he's he's doing a very good job of setting the scene and giv
david pecker was on stand for two-and-a-half hours yesterday. we'll be back on the sanne. he's expected to be on thursday after everything you saw from david pecker in from the line of questioning from prosecutors, what do you think what do you think he needs to do or they want him to do, come thursday, how much damage do you think he's going to do? he's telling a very interesting and compelling story, but everything he's told so far, while certainly immoral, while certainly dishonest is not...
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now, pecker was on the stand when court adjourned yesterday. it continues tomorrow with him back on the stand and he was just getting into some spicy testimony which involved the story we have karen mcdougal, which is another playboy playmate, who alleged affair with michael cohen in 2016 and really he was just getting started about how he helped allegedly donald trump a concealed that story from the public eye. yeah. the karen mcdougal self came up just at the very amperage and grass. thank you very much for that really leaving the jury to think about for the next 24 hours or were you stay here as a father of twins? you will be very interested in this one. the good stuff this morning talking about a whole lot of seeing double the graduating class at nor one high school in pennsylvaniaill have notne not tw not even thre but 11 sets of inwins walng across the graduation stage at the en of the sool ar surprising even some of the twins themselves listen i n't rely reaze as 30, so many of until we algot wn in the fice nod oh, my gosh, there's liter
now, pecker was on the stand when court adjourned yesterday. it continues tomorrow with him back on the stand and he was just getting into some spicy testimony which involved the story we have karen mcdougal, which is another playboy playmate, who alleged affair with michael cohen in 2016 and really he was just getting started about how he helped allegedly donald trump a concealed that story from the public eye. yeah. the karen mcdougal self came up just at the very amperage and grass. thank...
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david pecker, the head of the national enquirer, acknowledging under oath that they did this ron brownstein, how remarkable was this testimony? i mean, i have to say i mean, we've known about this phenomenon, but right here it laid out in court is still, is still striking. i mean, we don't know what the impact of this trial ultimately is going to be on donald trump. i was struck there was a paul made about two weeks ago now, api national thing research center found that voters were less likely to view this as serious than the other cases they were less likely to believe he committed a crime and then the other big case like election interference, which is going to turn that supreme court hearing tomorrow. but the surprising thing about this poll was even though they thought it was less likely, he can committed a crime, the share of people who said that he would be unfit to be president if convicted was roughly the same as in the other cases that interest that suggests there is a threshold like voters are going to have if he is convicted ultimately, which is not guaranteed voters are going to
david pecker, the head of the national enquirer, acknowledging under oath that they did this ron brownstein, how remarkable was this testimony? i mean, i have to say i mean, we've known about this phenomenon, but right here it laid out in court is still, is still striking. i mean, we don't know what the impact of this trial ultimately is going to be on donald trump. i was struck there was a paul made about two weeks ago now, api national thing research center found that voters were less likely...
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you have david pecker coming in to testify, lighthearted in the way he was testifying to the jury. there, and setting the stage or the jury prosecution asking those foundational questions, you're getting an idea of the framework of what was going on during the campaign. and donald trump and his fixtures around him, making sure that those stories were killed before they reach the public years. and i think that's going to build on the prosecution case, but also we're going to see he had the defense handle this on cross-examination because david pecker is a witness who was sort of complicit in this. he's turned state's witness, and i think that's going to be some mo for the defense to cross-examine him about his testimony. >> all right. in ron, sorry for us on all of this, imran, thanks for much for being with us this morning. i really appreciate your time thanks for adding are coming up next here. a new organization aimed at fighting disinformation. >> we're going to be joined by the former homeland security official who is back in the public eye to lead it plus the box trying to hol
you have david pecker coming in to testify, lighthearted in the way he was testifying to the jury. there, and setting the stage or the jury prosecution asking those foundational questions, you're getting an idea of the framework of what was going on during the campaign. and donald trump and his fixtures around him, making sure that those stories were killed before they reach the public years. and i think that's going to build on the prosecution case, but also we're going to see he had the...
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and just once that pecker talks about that, pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my past experience that when someone is running for public office like this, it is very common for these women to call up a magazine like the national enquirer and try to tell their stories and this was before this was before the access hollywood tape. >> so the actual, the importance of the access hollywood tape in this is that it sort of the the drumbeat got much louder about indiscretions, changed everything. because remember stormy daniels was shopping around her story and was essentially offering to sell it. >> and they argued that the price was too high and said no, that they weren't intereste
and just once that pecker talks about that, pecker talks about for a campaign, why this issue of women could be important. steinglass asked, can you explain to the jury how the topic of women in particular came up pecker says well, in a presidential campaign, i was the person that thought there would be a number, a lot of women come out to try to sell their stories because mr. trump was well-known and the most eligible bachelor and date of the most beautiful women. and it was clear based on my...
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pecker is going to be talked to. they're going to say, you know, you're just supporting the candidate you wanted. that's what magazines do, right? >> kaitlan, how do you think it did on this? i'm not sure that's what all magazines do not way if people would like to have a word, but i think it's watching all of play out. it's fascinating to see david pecker sitting there in testify in this way, and they're laying the groundwork to get to something bigger obviously, with all of this and with his relationship with trump. but he met marlow. he met trump visited mar-a-lago, met him in the 80s, worked with them in the 90s, worked with him when the apprentice became a show, trump would send him apprentice ratings and they would publish them in the national enquirer. and david pecker was kinda saying it was this mutually beneficial relationship between the two of them, this two-way street. and then you he was helping promote trump. and then when he got closer to the election, he was helping bury negative stories which he had
pecker is going to be talked to. they're going to say, you know, you're just supporting the candidate you wanted. that's what magazines do, right? >> kaitlan, how do you think it did on this? i'm not sure that's what all magazines do not way if people would like to have a word, but i think it's watching all of play out. it's fascinating to see david pecker sitting there in testify in this way, and they're laying the groundwork to get to something bigger obviously, with all of this and...
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pecker responded on no. so how does that help bolster the case that this was potentially criminal interference in the presidential election. >> yeah. was that the timing of that? particular meeting helps do it because there'll be right around the time we would expect that trump would be contemplating his run gearing up for the run, worried about potential negative press and i completely agree with kaitlan here. this is the start of a story that it's really going to be extending throughout this trial. it's not actually the crux of the criminal case. the crux of the criminal case concerns how and why stormy daniels was paid through michael cohen. that's gonna be the main event for the jurors. with this is all crucial context with the jury's to understand all of everything that leads as three microbreweries with us as well. a former us attorney, michael, let's talk a little bit about pecker's testimony. he said trump was quote, frugal in his approach to money. frugal, a direct quote personally reviewing all exp
pecker responded on no. so how does that help bolster the case that this was potentially criminal interference in the presidential election. >> yeah. was that the timing of that? particular meeting helps do it because there'll be right around the time we would expect that trump would be contemplating his run gearing up for the run, worried about potential negative press and i completely agree with kaitlan here. this is the start of a story that it's really going to be extending throughout...