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pecker, yes. and the fact that pecker agreed to not publish a story about a playboy model's year-long alleged affair with a presidential candidate is only further proof this is not just about doing good business because pecker admitted such a story would have been, quote, "national enquirer" gold. the prosecution asked, at the time you entered into the agreement, you had zero intention of publication even if it would have helped the bottom line. you killed it because it would have hurt president trump. to which pecker answered, correct. and before the court wrapped for the week, the jury heard from two other witnesses, first was trump's longtime assistant and gate keeper, rhona graff, for a brief line of questioning authenticating both karen mcdougal and stormy daniels' contact information were in trump's computer. during cross-examination, she did admit to hearing conversations about daniels potentially being thought of as a contestant for celebrity apprentice. the other witness is much more obsc
pecker, yes. and the fact that pecker agreed to not publish a story about a playboy model's year-long alleged affair with a presidential candidate is only further proof this is not just about doing good business because pecker admitted such a story would have been, quote, "national enquirer" gold. the prosecution asked, at the time you entered into the agreement, you had zero intention of publication even if it would have helped the bottom line. you killed it because it would have...
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helped more. >> david pecker definitely helped the prosecution out because they laid out david pecker hur laid out the foundation. he gave us the background information, and he also changed the narrative. this is not just hush money case. we're talking about the purpose of this money. of killing di stories. what's that help this campaign? and you're hearing it from someone that i think was relatable to this jury. i think the jury's going to find him credible, find, and believable. so mendel, he was engaging in these catching kill schemes and when we go into a supermarket used to see the national enquirer be like, oh, my god. and now we know how that gets to be the front page of the paper. you got the information that this is exactly how it worked out when it came to donald trump and when it came to michael cohen. and this is something that i think the jury in plain terms, are able to digest and they don't know how to apply this information. but shortly after closing arguments and though extra read back to get more of his testimony, read back, there'll be able to put it all together. s
helped more. >> david pecker definitely helped the prosecution out because they laid out david pecker hur laid out the foundation. he gave us the background information, and he also changed the narrative. this is not just hush money case. we're talking about the purpose of this money. of killing di stories. what's that help this campaign? and you're hearing it from someone that i think was relatable to this jury. i think the jury's going to find him credible, find, and believable. so...
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pecker defiant at one point saying, i've been truthful to the best of my recollection. the tabloid mogul also undermining the idea mr. trump wanted to bury those stories about women to protect his family, a common refrain from the defense. instead, pecker said he believed it was all to protect his campaign. >> i do have to begin by wishing melania happy birthday. she's in florida. >> reporter: melania trump notably absent at trial. >> laura, does it appear prosecutors got what they needed from david pecker this week? >> lester, pecker is a useful witness for prosecutors to the extent he can testify about conversations about mr. trump that touch on his alleged scheme to influence the election, but what he can't offer, lester, is any evidence on the actual crime that the former president has been indicted for, which isn't a campaign finance violation. it's the way his payments to cohen were documented on his internal records. now, we'll see if other witnesses can speak more directly to that, lester. >> okay, laura, thank you. >>> president biden was also in new york today
pecker defiant at one point saying, i've been truthful to the best of my recollection. the tabloid mogul also undermining the idea mr. trump wanted to bury those stories about women to protect his family, a common refrain from the defense. instead, pecker said he believed it was all to protect his campaign. >> i do have to begin by wishing melania happy birthday. she's in florida. >> reporter: melania trump notably absent at trial. >> laura, does it appear prosecutors got what...
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you had three witnesses, had you pecker finishing up. you had a records custodian who was trump's former gate keeper. trump organization is paying for testimony and she obviously likes him and gave good testimony for him. and then you have a banker that dealt with michael cohen. so very, very unevent full. the needle wasn't moved at all. >> laura: at one point it god so absurd, mike, that the d.a.'s office was objecting to the defense attorney referencing president trump -- i mean as president trump as president trump saying that and it was a tweet just came out, during the cross of pecker, trump's defense attorney bove had repeatedly been referring to president trump as president trump when referencing periods of time when trump was not in office. the d.a.'s office keeps objecting and judge merchan keeps sustaining those objections. so, okay. convict him of using the wrong title for trump at that time. this is where we are, mike. >> mike: i mean. >> laura: i howled at that one. we called president obama, president obama. that's crazy yo
you had three witnesses, had you pecker finishing up. you had a records custodian who was trump's former gate keeper. trump organization is paying for testimony and she obviously likes him and gave good testimony for him. and then you have a banker that dealt with michael cohen. so very, very unevent full. the needle wasn't moved at all. >> laura: at one point it god so absurd, mike, that the d.a.'s office was objecting to the defense attorney referencing president trump -- i mean as...
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but pecker was later pushed by prosecutors on whether there was a difference with trump. did you suppress stories to help a presidential candidate yes, trump said's between you once had. one those involved former "playboy" model karen mcdougal who allegedly had a ten month affair with trump, which trump denied. >> after we had been intimate, he tried to pay me. and i actually didn't know how to take that. >> reporter: the defense argued that mcdougal's $150,000 deal with a mri, which previously owned the "national enquirer," was legitimate. she was paid and featured broadly throughout the publications. but under questioning from prosecutors, pecker said that was meant to disguise the actual purpose, which was to acquire her lifetime rights to her story so it is not published. pecker also acknowledged hiring an election law attorney to review mcdougal's contract. >> the best moment for the prosecution is david pecker saying that he sought legal advice on behalf of his company. that if he continued to do this kind of payment, that it was going to be a campaign violation. th
but pecker was later pushed by prosecutors on whether there was a difference with trump. did you suppress stories to help a presidential candidate yes, trump said's between you once had. one those involved former "playboy" model karen mcdougal who allegedly had a ten month affair with trump, which trump denied. >> after we had been intimate, he tried to pay me. and i actually didn't know how to take that. >> reporter: the defense argued that mcdougal's $150,000 deal with a...
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he asked pecker if he felt cohen was prone to exaggeration pecker agreed he was after court, trump weighed in on the trial eight days that we sitting in this courthouse. >> i just want to thank everybody for being here you have to separate through this hey, everybody else michael cohen's banker would then took the witness stand in the afternoon and he was describing how he helped michael cohen's setup the bank account that he ultimately used for the shell company that transferred that $130,000 payment to stormy daniels. >> there's no court on monday, but this banker will be back on the stand tuesday for more questioning by prosecutors before trump's lawyers will get a turn at him. >> wolf, kara scannell outside the courthouse in new york. thanks very much. i want to bring in our legal experts right now, cnn's katelyn polantz and norm eisen are here and former trump attorney tim parlatore is here as well. and caitlin, let me start with you. i want to read an interesting line from michael cohen's banker, gary pharaoh. this is what gary farro testifying. every time michael cohen's spoke to me
he asked pecker if he felt cohen was prone to exaggeration pecker agreed he was after court, trump weighed in on the trial eight days that we sitting in this courthouse. >> i just want to thank everybody for being here you have to separate through this hey, everybody else michael cohen's banker would then took the witness stand in the afternoon and he was describing how he helped michael cohen's setup the bank account that he ultimately used for the shell company that transferred that...
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pecker saying how they worked with cohen. i'm going to show you the head lines that are for the most part false, a false allegation about trump competitor marco rubio. another one i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured right down to the doctored photo. trump's lawyers said this was a routine thing they did. however bad it looks, it was not a trump campaign thing, it's how they roll. they brought up arnold schwarzenegger, the deal i had with an nold, i would acquire them, buy them for a period of time. defense saying cohen didn't pay the enquirer back for the mcdougall story. that's trying to get the jurors to doubt whether this was a trump campaign thing or maybe just an enquirer thing. now mcdougall, who you see on the screen, i spoke to her lawyer back in 2019, keith davidson, who told us this. >> the affairs happened in 2006. michael cohen and i first contacted each other about the matter in 2011. so at a minimum they knew about
pecker saying how they worked with cohen. i'm going to show you the head lines that are for the most part false, a false allegation about trump competitor marco rubio. another one i can show you. let me look at the next one. infamously going after ted cruz. pecker testifying that story was knowingly manufactured right down to the doctored photo. trump's lawyers said this was a routine thing they did. however bad it looks, it was not a trump campaign thing, it's how they roll. they brought up...
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david pecker is not foreign to me. what he's talking about is not foreign to me, but i think for the larger public, to hear what really goes on, particularly with that kind of tabloid newspaper i think is fascinating. also, let's not forget, we are talking about a former president who is in court over hush-money payments, who has been found liable for fraud and for sexual assault, who could it be in washington for the immunity hearing from when he was president. this guy is going to -- has been spending more time in court than on the campaign trail to run for reelection. i think what makes this week and this case so fascinating is that we are watching this guy be held accountable for at least a sliver of what he has allegedly done. amna: in the new york case, he is now violated the gag order a total of 15 times. jonathan: and counting. amna: is there any way for president trump to be reigned in on that front? david: i think his entire administration tried to do that for four years and it didn't work. jonathan: no. amna
david pecker is not foreign to me. what he's talking about is not foreign to me, but i think for the larger public, to hear what really goes on, particularly with that kind of tabloid newspaper i think is fascinating. also, let's not forget, we are talking about a former president who is in court over hush-money payments, who has been found liable for fraud and for sexual assault, who could it be in washington for the immunity hearing from when he was president. this guy is going to -- has been...
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they focused on a key august 2015 meeting at trump tower with pecker& trump and cohen were pecker said he agreed to be the eyes and ears for the trump campaign, flagging any negative stories about trump to michael cohen the defense asked, did you ever are specifically use the term catch and kill in the meeting and pecker replied, no, i did not but then under redirect questioning from the prosecution, pecker reiterated the contents of the 2015 meeting, saying my understanding is those stories that come up, i would speak to michael cohen and tell them these are the stories that are going to be for sale that if we don't buy them somebody else will and then michael cohen would handle by them or trying to make sure that they don't ever get published unquote. so even if the term catch and kill wasn't used you wrote a book called catch and kill. is that not catching gill that is the definition of this colloquial term that has emerged around this catch and kill, which was a term that i and other journalists around this first started during from ami employees it was something of what's called a
they focused on a key august 2015 meeting at trump tower with pecker& trump and cohen were pecker said he agreed to be the eyes and ears for the trump campaign, flagging any negative stories about trump to michael cohen the defense asked, did you ever are specifically use the term catch and kill in the meeting and pecker replied, no, i did not but then under redirect questioning from the prosecution, pecker reiterated the contents of the 2015 meeting, saying my understanding is those...
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the answer from david pecker, quote, yes. he added, the actual purpose was to acquire lifetime rights so it was not published by any other news organization. pecker said it was standard to suppress stories to help a friend or to use as leverage with a celebrity, this was catch and kill in order to influence a presidential election. now with court adjourned for the weekend, it's all systems go as we head into next week with key testimony still ahead. this is where we start the hour with some of our most favorite reports and friends. two people inside the courtroom today, investigative reporter susan craig and former u.s. attorney and former deputy assistant attorney general harry litman. lucky for us, andrew is still here as is lockland. sue, we start with you and your wonderful notebook. >> i have to say i think the most interesting part of today was the contination of that agreement that karen mcdougal had. donald trump's lawyers really tried to muddy the water on it. put some poison in the ear that karen mcdougal got someth
the answer from david pecker, quote, yes. he added, the actual purpose was to acquire lifetime rights so it was not published by any other news organization. pecker said it was standard to suppress stories to help a friend or to use as leverage with a celebrity, this was catch and kill in order to influence a presidential election. now with court adjourned for the weekend, it's all systems go as we head into next week with key testimony still ahead. this is where we start the hour with some of...
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trump pecker acknowledged that negative press for trump's foes was generally good for business pecker said that if the false door man allegations had been true, he would have run the story after the election beauvais elicited from pecker that catch and kill. the term catch and kill buying a story in order to not run it so that it doesn't run anywhere else to protect mr. trump in this case, allegedly, tkatchenko was not discussed at the august 2015 meeting? the defense elicited from packer that he wanted nothing to do with the stormy daniels allegations and the defense made sure to spell out for the jurors that the karen mcdougal deal was reviewed by an election law attorney, jim. do any of these standout to you as important? bits of information for the defense of donald trump for the defense, i would say, you know, in hopefully you set this up an opening statement, but you need to just kinda pound home that were not fighting every single fact that moves in this case, we're not fighting whether or not i wouldn't be fighting the relationships doesn't matter. it's no more than the doorma
trump pecker acknowledged that negative press for trump's foes was generally good for business pecker said that if the false door man allegations had been true, he would have run the story after the election beauvais elicited from pecker that catch and kill. the term catch and kill buying a story in order to not run it so that it doesn't run anywhere else to protect mr. trump in this case, allegedly, tkatchenko was not discussed at the august 2015 meeting? the defense elicited from packer that...
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. >> nueva declaracion del ex exeditor de medios, david pecker, en el primer juicio c criminal contra donald trump en nueva york, precedida de la i intervencion de los abogados del expresidente. >> la reza de las protestas estudiantiles contra la guerra en gaza, a las manifestaciones en mas de 30 campus, se suma a la universidad del sur de california, donde hubo un ce centenar de arrestos y se suspende la ceremonia de g graduacion. >> graduacion. >> tragedia de los migrantes, los padres de dos ninas venezolanas que murieron al caerse de la bestia comparten la pesadilla que estan viviendo. >> quiero hacer una politica que nunca deje de emocionarse. >> emocionados. >> cuando te vuelves una no sientes como shemba ¿de hielo, creo que pierdes el foco. >> faltando muy poco para el segundo debate presidencial en mexico y en entrevista galvez habla sobre su principe rival con suarez y octavio pulido muy buenas nicole pulido. >> nicole la tarde. >> llega la nuevo el testimonio del exeditor del national e enquirer, david pecker, por cuarto dia consecutivo en el juicio de nueva york contra dona
. >> nueva declaracion del ex exeditor de medios, david pecker, en el primer juicio c criminal contra donald trump en nueva york, precedida de la i intervencion de los abogados del expresidente. >> la reza de las protestas estudiantiles contra la guerra en gaza, a las manifestaciones en mas de 30 campus, se suma a la universidad del sur de california, donde hubo un ce centenar de arrestos y se suspende la ceremonia de g graduacion. >> graduacion. >> tragedia de los...
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david pecker dice que Él no pagÓ el cheque si no un departamento de la revista. los abogados de trump trajeron a colaciÓn otros temas con otras celebridades, para normalizar la conducta, el negocio que habÍa hecho donald trump con esta revista para ocultar estas historias, a travÉs de pagos. ♪ ♪ [mÚsica] ♪ ♪ [mÚsica] carolina: los fiscales de varios estados republicanos han presentado una demanda contra la comisiÓn de igualdad de el empleo. van en contra de una ley que obliga a los empleadores a ofrecer ajustes razonables a las trabajadoras embarazadas, incluyendo un permiso para abortar. republicanos dicen que infringen leyes estatales existentes. la empresa matriz de tiktok negÓ los planes de renderos la plataforma, tras la prohibiciÓn en estados unidos. ——la empresa matriz de tiktok negÓ los planes de vender la plataforma, tras la prohibiciÓn en estados unidos. un programa podrÍa ayudar a la comunidad a obtener la ciudadanÍa estadounidense. organizaciones tendrÍan que ayudar a los inmigrantes para llenar formularios, entre otros trÁmi
david pecker dice que Él no pagÓ el cheque si no un departamento de la revista. los abogados de trump trajeron a colaciÓn otros temas con otras celebridades, para normalizar la conducta, el negocio que habÍa hecho donald trump con esta revista para ocultar estas historias, a travÉs de pagos. ♪ ♪ [mÚsica] ♪ ♪ [mÚsica] carolina: los fiscales de varios estados republicanos han presentado una demanda contra la comisiÓn de igualdad de el empleo. van en contra de una ley que obliga a...
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pecker says yes. prosecutor, at the time you entered into the agreement you had zero intention of publication, even if it would have helped the bottom line. you killed it because it would have hurt president trump. pecker said yes. during the defense cross-examination, they're trying to get out of pecker that this was standard practice, buying these stories, catching and killing, was something they did all the time, and here's the prosecution trying to say no. this was special. were they able to achieve that. >> the defense's argument was you did this for all kinds of celebrities not just donald trump. on redirect, they're saying, was there anything like this relationship with donald trump. the answer, no. and i have to say as soon as david pecker's testimony concluded, celebrity everywhere must have been breathing a sigh of relief. a lot of them got hit with shrapnel. he name dropped a lot of people who probably would have preferred they weren't being named in this testimony. that was part of the exc
pecker says yes. prosecutor, at the time you entered into the agreement you had zero intention of publication, even if it would have helped the bottom line. you killed it because it would have hurt president trump. pecker said yes. during the defense cross-examination, they're trying to get out of pecker that this was standard practice, buying these stories, catching and killing, was something they did all the time, and here's the prosecution trying to say no. this was special. were they able...
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trump had with former national enquirer publisher david pecker. pecker faced cross-examination today, and he testified about a scheme that he says he developed with trump to suppress negative news stories about trump when he was a candidate in 2016, and then keep them hidden during the presidency, leading us off this hour, nbc news correspondent rehema ellis outside the courthouse in lower manhattan. rehema, i know this is just starting. why do we think the prosecution called graf and what might they ask her going on to this just within the last hour? well, graf, you might say, might be described as the gatekeeper for donald trump. she was with him, as you point out, for 34 years. she retired only in 2021. right now, her legal representatives are being paid for by the trump organization. these are two lawyers who are still on the trump team. and in addition, she said she sat right outside his office on the 27th floor on fifth avenue. she also said that she was the one who would take care of emails and contact lists, and in particular, now two name
trump had with former national enquirer publisher david pecker. pecker faced cross-examination today, and he testified about a scheme that he says he developed with trump to suppress negative news stories about trump when he was a candidate in 2016, and then keep them hidden during the presidency, leading us off this hour, nbc news correspondent rehema ellis outside the courthouse in lower manhattan. rehema, i know this is just starting. why do we think the prosecution called graf and what...
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and look, david pecker is someone who has come off on the stand as reliable, as truthful. he said he doesn't harbour any ill will towards donald trump even now. he had a decades long relationship with him. they had a mutually beneficial relationship. and obviously, he then decided to cooperate with prosecutors. and while the defence understood that and didn't come out attacking him in the same way, they have michael cohen, donald trump's former lawyer, they did try to kind of poke holes in the prosecution's narrative. they tried to cast this whole catch and kill alleged scheme as a business decision, as david pecker as someone who was cooperating with prosecutors at the time because he was worried that a deal with his tabloid and another big media company to be acquired would fall through. but look, in every kind of instance, the prosecution came back on redirect and had mr pepper reiterate that this was all done on redirect and had mr pecker reiterate that this was all done to help donald trump's campaign. and so looking at the morning session, the defence didn't do reall
and look, david pecker is someone who has come off on the stand as reliable, as truthful. he said he doesn't harbour any ill will towards donald trump even now. he had a decades long relationship with him. they had a mutually beneficial relationship. and obviously, he then decided to cooperate with prosecutors. and while the defence understood that and didn't come out attacking him in the same way, they have michael cohen, donald trump's former lawyer, they did try to kind of poke holes in the...
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former "national enquirer" ceo david pecker. the defense spent hours trying to trip him up, catch him in contradictions, even introducing several instances where they say pecker's recollection of key events had changed over time. but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to start with you because you're a defense attorney and you're new to this table. it's a challenge, right, no matter how many times the defense keeps going back and back and back to david pecker, trying to show this wasn't about the campaign, which is what you did, this is standard operating procedure, they said that over and
former "national enquirer" ceo david pecker. the defense spent hours trying to trip him up, catch him in contradictions, even introducing several instances where they say pecker's recollection of key events had changed over time. but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard...
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pecker said today he does not recall that fbi testimony. trump's lawyers also exposed that business deals may have served as a motivation for pecker to enter a nonprosecution agreement with the southern district of new york for campaign finance violations. pecker testified many of the negative stories he published about trump's opponents already existed in the public domain. he said running negative stories particularly about former president bill clinton and former secretary of state lloyd clinton was good for his business. court started this morning with trump's attorneys clarifying that questions about hick's presence at a trump tower meeting in 2015, pecker said she was in and out of that meeting and her presence is important because it would show a level of campaign involvement in those talks. now just before lunch pecker also spoke about his experience suppressing stories about arnold schwarzenegger and he said he learned from that experience because there was an investigation after he did that so he was much more careful while dealin
pecker said today he does not recall that fbi testimony. trump's lawyers also exposed that business deals may have served as a motivation for pecker to enter a nonprosecution agreement with the southern district of new york for campaign finance violations. pecker testified many of the negative stories he published about trump's opponents already existed in the public domain. he said running negative stories particularly about former president bill clinton and former secretary of state lloyd...
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he also tried to catch david pecker in some inconsistencies in here his testimony, david pecker has been cooperating with prosecutors, the federal prosecutors and the district attorney's office for several years now. and so they were focusing on remember, the testimony about a january 2017 meeting at trump tower that david pecker walked into all donald trump was finishing up a meeting with some of with the f then cia director james comey and others and during this meeting is when david pecker testified that there was that he had a conversation so what donald trump donald trump thanked him for taking care of the doorman's story in the karen mcdougal story so donald trump's attorneys pressed him on notes from previous interview had given with investigators. and in that interview notes he said, according to the fbi's nodes, that david pecker told them that donald trump did not express any gratitude david pecker dug in on that today saying that the fbi knows were wrong and that his testimony over the past few days is that correct accurate testimony? so a lot of back and forth over different
he also tried to catch david pecker in some inconsistencies in here his testimony, david pecker has been cooperating with prosecutors, the federal prosecutors and the district attorney's office for several years now. and so they were focusing on remember, the testimony about a january 2017 meeting at trump tower that david pecker walked into all donald trump was finishing up a meeting with some of with the f then cia director james comey and others and during this meeting is when david pecker...
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pecker replied, yes. what's the significance there? >> so, chris, at the end of the trial, the judge is going to instruct the jury that the defense does not have to prove anything. it's the prosecution that has the heavy burden of proof, so mr. bove's shot is to plant reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. so his cross examination is trying to suggest to the jury that the prosecution's first witness is compromised, and thus, he's not credible. if he admits to wrongdoing, then he's going to lose money from this deal with trying to sell the "national enquirer" and that's also why mr. bove is focused on pecker's non-prosecution deal. he wants the jury to think that pecker is basically marching to alvin bragg's orders because pecker doesn't want to go to jail himself. so that's also why he told the jury that trump thanked -- that trump had thanked mr. pecker a few days before the inauguration even though mr. pecker earlier told the fbi that trump had not thanked him. so chris, for an effective cross exa
pecker replied, yes. what's the significance there? >> so, chris, at the end of the trial, the judge is going to instruct the jury that the defense does not have to prove anything. it's the prosecution that has the heavy burden of proof, so mr. bove's shot is to plant reasonable doubt in the minds of the jurors. so his cross examination is trying to suggest to the jury that the prosecution's first witness is compromised, and thus, he's not credible. if he admits to wrongdoing, then he's...
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pecker was never reimbursed for the money that was spent. $150,000 or so. the fact that veep says he did this for arnold schwarzenegger, for tiger woods, he also did a for mayor romney manuel. the jury has to scratch his head saying what did trump do wrong here? >> yes. there have been no direct tie like moments ago eric reiterated knoche hyatt to these payments or conversations or negotiations around this, but pecker did say when it came to karen mcdougal's story that they never intended to publish it and that it was to help the campaign. in his estimation, that was his side of the story. he says stories about celebrities including trump sold big. they did really well for him. if he wanted to make money for the tabloids and magazines, he would run those stories so it was to his detriment in some way. at least from a financial or business angle to not run her story and he did indicate from the stand he did it to help the campaign but again, no indication president trump was never part of that conversation. >> john: fox news sunday, shannon, obviously this w
pecker was never reimbursed for the money that was spent. $150,000 or so. the fact that veep says he did this for arnold schwarzenegger, for tiger woods, he also did a for mayor romney manuel. the jury has to scratch his head saying what did trump do wrong here? >> yes. there have been no direct tie like moments ago eric reiterated knoche hyatt to these payments or conversations or negotiations around this, but pecker did say when it came to karen mcdougal's story that they never intended...
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let's talk about the role of david pecker. his credibility, once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was donald trump's pick not prosecutor's pick. we are seeing this process that defense lawyer goes through in cross-examination. as vaughn said, they can't argue the evidence when they are cross-examining the witness. they are collecting coins that they hope will turn out to be valuable in closing argument when they can go back and argue to the jury. you can't really believe these people, they are not credible. >> the other thing, catherine, is this gag order hearing. judge merchan set it for next thursday. that's another week before dealing with the
let's talk about the role of david pecker. his credibility, once it's evaluated by the jurors -- he was the first witness and the feature witness of the trial so far -- is to take some of the burden to of michael cohen, who is obviously -- has damage connected to him being convicted and having admitted to perjury in the past and served time for that. >> right. that's baked into the calculation with michael cohen. he is a difficult witness. the government can't hug him too hard. he was...
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i was in the court for most the morning, and three ba themes emerged from david pecker. the first witness. the first main one was about memory. as you know as an attorney that the statute of limitations exist for a reason. because our memories reign over time. that is the reason this case, should have been tossed out a while ago because so many years have passed. so what the defense did today, without attacking a man in his 70s for not remembering is really poking holes in david pecker's recollection of key events. keep in mind yesterday was elicited on cross-examination that he was prepped by the prosecution multiple times throughout the course of his preparation for his testimony here and that is why his testimony was pretty good yesterday when it came to his direct examination but not as good as cross-examination. because again the defense attorney for trump's poking holes in his testimony. the second thing that stuck out to me is the juxtaposition. capitalism versus campaign. they were eliciting throughout the course of the testimony today, but a lot of the things th
i was in the court for most the morning, and three ba themes emerged from david pecker. the first witness. the first main one was about memory. as you know as an attorney that the statute of limitations exist for a reason. because our memories reign over time. that is the reason this case, should have been tossed out a while ago because so many years have passed. so what the defense did today, without attacking a man in his 70s for not remembering is really poking holes in david pecker's...
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prosecutors say it was part of a criminal conspiracy to influence the election, david pecker outlined a few of these kind of schemes, as he put it, and he said he worked with prosecutors, he admitted to committing crimes in a nonprescription agreement, so you agree to cooperate with prosecutors if he wasn't charged with any wrongdoing. the defence is trying to poke holes in the prosecution's case. they have gotten david pecker on the stand to say it was standing procedure for a tabloid to work to kill negative stories. they had done so for almost all snag a and tiger woods. they got david packer on the stand to say it made national sense for the national inquiry to do it, it wasn'tjust about for the national inquiry to do it, it wasn't just about helping donald trump's campaign, it was a mutually beneficial relationship. the cross examination will continue, but one legal expert i spoke to said the defence has two hurdles to clear. the fact that david pecker understand admitted to wrongdoing to campaignfinance understand admitted to wrongdoing to campaign finance regulations, and the f
prosecutors say it was part of a criminal conspiracy to influence the election, david pecker outlined a few of these kind of schemes, as he put it, and he said he worked with prosecutors, he admitted to committing crimes in a nonprescription agreement, so you agree to cooperate with prosecutors if he wasn't charged with any wrongdoing. the defence is trying to poke holes in the prosecution's case. they have gotten david pecker on the stand to say it was standing procedure for a tabloid to work...
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pecker's testimony to establish mr. trump had purposes other than election-related purposes to kill negative store eaves about him. he is a celebrity in the public eye. the reputation is outrageously important and how about with his family and wife. now he is sitting on melania's birthday having those stories come forward. he wanted the stories killed. they are extortionist efforts in order to gather money to instead of putting forward these false stories. he wasn't in support of the karen mcdougal scenario he seems -- >> julie: a headline reads alvin] wants the 2016 election on trial. in opening remarks to the jury, prosecutor argued that trump is guilty of falsifying business records with the intent to conceal an illegal conspiracy to undermine the integrity of a presidential election. your thoughts. >> that statement will come back, julie, and haunt the prosecution. they are unable to prove it. we have been in this trial for four days and my distinguished colleagues on this panel, there is no crime. the one thing a p
pecker's testimony to establish mr. trump had purposes other than election-related purposes to kill negative store eaves about him. he is a celebrity in the public eye. the reputation is outrageously important and how about with his family and wife. now he is sitting on melania's birthday having those stories come forward. he wanted the stories killed. they are extortionist efforts in order to gather money to instead of putting forward these false stories. he wasn't in support of the karen...
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david pecker responded, that's right. of course, at the heart of the charges here, falsifying business records, is specifically the stormy daniels payment and the reimbursement of michael cohen by donald trump. and what david pecker is now saying is that he never intended to be a part of the stormy daniels story here in the first place. another aspect of this here is the fact that they are going through some of the prior meetings that david pecker had testified about. one of them that they're currently discussing now is david pecker on january of 2017 walking into a trump tower meeting, just weeks before donald trump was sworn in as president, a meeting that included the likes of reince priebus, sean spicer and james comey and they're getting into the gritty details of exactly what david pecker's role is a part of all of these meetings was and the extent to which donald trump was using these opportunities to ensure the silence of some of these key figures. jose? >> this is a continuing issue, this meeting and as well as o
david pecker responded, that's right. of course, at the heart of the charges here, falsifying business records, is specifically the stormy daniels payment and the reimbursement of michael cohen by donald trump. and what david pecker is now saying is that he never intended to be a part of the stormy daniels story here in the first place. another aspect of this here is the fact that they are going through some of the prior meetings that david pecker had testified about. one of them that they're...
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pecker answers yes. so clearly the idea, the challenged memory, challenge his credibility, do you think that's effective? >> it's minimally effective. i mean, they're suggesting that the prosecutor refreshed his memory and he's saying what the prosecutor wants, but remember, all these other celebrities you started to think maybe this is the david pecker show. with schwarzenegger, for example. all we know is what was in the tabloid media so we don't have any inside information, but it surely appeared that part of his motive was to protect his marriage because we saw publicly that when this all came out about his mistress and the child that his marriage broke out. well, i think they're going to be going there and suggesting with trump that there were alternate motives and the people are not able to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it was to influence the election. >> but that piece was something that the prosecution got out in front of yesterday in its questioning of david pecker and perhaps it will co
pecker answers yes. so clearly the idea, the challenged memory, challenge his credibility, do you think that's effective? >> it's minimally effective. i mean, they're suggesting that the prosecutor refreshed his memory and he's saying what the prosecutor wants, but remember, all these other celebrities you started to think maybe this is the david pecker show. with schwarzenegger, for example. all we know is what was in the tabloid media so we don't have any inside information, but it...
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david pecker helps with that a lot. he talks about a lot of conversations between him and michael cohen. michael cohen is likely going to say, i talked to david pecker. here's what we said. and if the prosecutors get what they want, it will be consistent. >> george: they'll probably put hope hicks in there as well. >> exactly. they can back up everything of michael cohen before he comes in so the stage has been set. >> george: let's turn to the supreme court. looks like yesterday donald trump lost one battle but won a bigger war. >> look, his attorney gave up on this absolute immunity argument. right? which was always silly, this idea that no matter what you do as president, private or public conduct, you are immuned. his attorney conceding we're not talking about private conduct. why is he doing that? because this is going to make it much more likely that it's going to take a longer time as things move forward. if you view the goal of the trump team as delay, it was the smartest thing they could do. >> george: right. t
david pecker helps with that a lot. he talks about a lot of conversations between him and michael cohen. michael cohen is likely going to say, i talked to david pecker. here's what we said. and if the prosecutors get what they want, it will be consistent. >> george: they'll probably put hope hicks in there as well. >> exactly. they can back up everything of michael cohen before he comes in so the stage has been set. >> george: let's turn to the supreme court. looks like...
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what is the jury to do with this latest david pecker testimony? >> well, i think the problem is that from the prosecution standpoint, they are trying to convince the jury that there is this scheme to steal the election and that this deal is a component of it. to me, the trump defense should be there was nothing illegal about this deal and would i would be more concerned about, the more they go at pecker and cross-examine about this but conveys to the jury they must be being hurt by it why else testing pecker's testimony the way they are doing? i must say, shannon, i would have been tempted to do a very short cross examination of pecker, like five or ten minutes to get across to the jury that nothing he testified to -- the longer they go after this the more impression it is hurt by it and maybe bragg's theory is right. maybe part of a big conspiracy. >> shannon: you think they should wrap it up with this witness. we talked earlier about the fact the defense team has been pushing for more information which witnesses with coming next but hesitation t
what is the jury to do with this latest david pecker testimony? >> well, i think the problem is that from the prosecution standpoint, they are trying to convince the jury that there is this scheme to steal the election and that this deal is a component of it. to me, the trump defense should be there was nothing illegal about this deal and would i would be more concerned about, the more they go at pecker and cross-examine about this but conveys to the jury they must be being hurt by it why...
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david pecker. we'll be right back how would really happened sunday at nine on cnn. >> you know, when i take the bike out like this, all my stress is just melt away. >> i hear that is bad. boy can fix anything yeah. >> tough day at work, nice cruises sorts. >> you write out when i'm writing, i'm not even thinking about my painful cavity he shouldn't ignore it. and every time i get stressed about having to pay my bills hop. on the bike, man, i'll come on. >> you got...
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but again pecker did not say trump told him that. pecker did not say that trump was furious. he said only that it was cohen telling him that. so that should be a major part of this case. we'll see if the defense attorney asks him about that during the cross examination. >> dana: over to you, shannon. >> shannon: let's bring in jerry baker, "wall street journal" editor at large. you have a couple of very piercing editorials. the headline, alvin bragg wants the 2016 election on trial. prosecutors are trying to spin a bookkeeping charge as a vast trump election conspiracy. while it has been salacious and interesting and provocative, you all don't think there has been a criminal charge proven. can alvin bragg get there? >> who knows? he has a very friendly jury in a friendly jurisdiction in manhattan, a deep blue part of the country. we'll have to wait and see. in terms of the actual law, shannon, you know this better than i, this is -- the case he is trying to make here as the journal said today in it's editorial is relitigate the election to say that somehow that any candidate
but again pecker did not say trump told him that. pecker did not say that trump was furious. he said only that it was cohen telling him that. so that should be a major part of this case. we'll see if the defense attorney asks him about that during the cross examination. >> dana: over to you, shannon. >> shannon: let's bring in jerry baker, "wall street journal" editor at large. you have a couple of very piercing editorials. the headline, alvin bragg wants the 2016 election...
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david pecker back on the stand to resume testimony for the fourth day. pecker, still a friend of the president, even though they have not talked for a while. he talked about the catch and kill deal and recalled exchanging tips and killing stories as far back as 1998, practice the defense shows was just ordinary. >> today was breathtaking in this room 678. you saw what went on. it was breathtaking, amazing testimony. this is really incredible. it was an incredible day. open your eyes. >> pecker said he bought stories to kill about alleged affairs by arnold schwarzenegger, tiger woods, so when karen mcdougal popped up about her affair, peck er bought that and buried it, too. we did not want this story to embarrass mr. trump or hurt the campaign. he feared he was violating election law. he turned down paying for stormy daniels story she had sex with trump because he said he did not want the enquirer to deal with a porn star. he related how after mr. trump was president, he thanked him for handling karen mcdougal and invited pecker and some editors to the wh
david pecker back on the stand to resume testimony for the fourth day. pecker, still a friend of the president, even though they have not talked for a while. he talked about the catch and kill deal and recalled exchanging tips and killing stories as far back as 1998, practice the defense shows was just ordinary. >> today was breathtaking in this room 678. you saw what went on. it was breathtaking, amazing testimony. this is really incredible. it was an incredible day. open your eyes....
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today. >> so david pecker will be back on the stand. he will be continuing with cross-examinati on. you are expecting that the prosecution to redirect after that, correct absolutely. >> yeah. of course. they get that option before we even maybe see who the next witness is redirected fact, it's very unclear, actually it david pecker will finish today. i mean, it is a full court today, so it's very likely he will, but we don't really quite know the timing just yet but we are waiting to see, like you said, sarah, who is the next witness, is it someone who deals with the accounting inside ami or within the trump organization or is it michael cohen, another quite arguably the star witness for the prosecution so we'll have to wait and see. of course, we don't know because they are not giving away that witness lists or rather the order of that witness list. this ahead of time because of the fear that donald trump will post about them on social media and such. so we'll standby all right. >> brand jin grass standing by for court to resume. appre
today. >> so david pecker will be back on the stand. he will be continuing with cross-examinati on. you are expecting that the prosecution to redirect after that, correct absolutely. >> yeah. of course. they get that option before we even maybe see who the next witness is redirected fact, it's very unclear, actually it david pecker will finish today. i mean, it is a full court today, so it's very likely he will, but we don't really quite know the timing just yet but we are waiting...
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pecker said he asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded, the boss, meaning trump, will take care of it. and pecker also revealed in an alleged 2018 conversation with him, hope hicks, and sarah huckabee sanders, then white house staffers, about extending mcdougal's contract, raising new questions about whether the trump administration might be further implicated in this case. robert costa, cbs news, new york. >>> turning to the severe weather now hammering the plains and the midwest. tens of millions of americans are at risk through the weekend. today the most intense weather york. >>> turning to the severe weather now hammering the plains and the midwest. tens of millions of americans are at risk through the weekend. today the most intensedemonstra embroiling college campuses from california to connecticut. columbia university students are digging in for their tenth day today as the school retreated from its midnight deadline to break up the encampment. the university says the talks have shown progress and are continuing. the
pecker said he asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded, the boss, meaning trump, will take care of it. and pecker also revealed in an alleged 2018 conversation with him, hope hicks, and sarah huckabee sanders, then white house staffers, about extending mcdougal's contract, raising new questions about whether the trump administration might be further implicated in this case. robert costa, cbs news, new york. >>> turning to the severe weather now hammering the plains and the...
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pecker says, we did not sign. glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that. >> was the meat and bones of the prosecution's case in terms the idea that this was all tied to the campaign, that this wasn't a personal thing that wasn't what rudy giuliani is to talk about it. oh, was just disparate as family the embarrassment. >> no the entire criminal congruent between ami and donald trump threw my cohen was to assist the campaign to catch and kill these stories for the purpose of assist in this campaign. >> david pecker himself knew very well this was a campaign finance viol
pecker says, we did not sign. glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross...
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now, yesterday, pecker said he still considers trump a friend. even though though they haven't spoken in years. today he mostly testified about alleged catch and kill deals to protected president trump. but, near the end of his testimony, he actually called trump his mentor. and even told the story about trump trying to help him when an employee died from anthrax letter mailed to the company in 2019. >> breathtaking what went on in this room you saw what went on, it was breathtaking. and amazing testimony. this is a trial that should have never happened. this is a case that should have never been filed. and it was really incredible. an incredible day. opened your eyes. >> pecker spent most of the day detailing the negotiations three years earlier to buy playboy playmate karen macdougall's story that claims she had a 10 month affair with trump. testified swapped favors for years over damaging stories that could hurt trump long before he ran for president in exchange for trump giving pecker exclusives for the inquirer. but, notably, this practice w
now, yesterday, pecker said he still considers trump a friend. even though though they haven't spoken in years. today he mostly testified about alleged catch and kill deals to protected president trump. but, near the end of his testimony, he actually called trump his mentor. and even told the story about trump trying to help him when an employee died from anthrax letter mailed to the company in 2019. >> breathtaking what went on in this room you saw what went on, it was breathtaking. and...
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pecker said he asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded, "the boss," meaning trump, "will take care of it." meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer, rudy giuliani, and chief of staff mark meadows, were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump as the 2020 winner. >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump, himself, was named as an un-indicted co-conspirator. pecker also made a stunning new allegation that's never been heard before, that he engaged with hope hicks and sarah huckabee sanders, then-white house staffers, along with trump, about karen mcdougal's contract, raising new questions about the trump administration's implication in this case. norah. >> robert costa, thank you. >>> there's a lot more news ahead on the "cbs overnight news." [birds singing] for nourished, lightweight hair, the right ingredients make all the difference new herbal essences sulfate free is now packed with plant-based ingredients your hair will love. like pure aloe. and c
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pecker? >> mr. pecker was a solid first witness for the government on direct. but on cross, you sometimes learn a little bit more about a witness. the approach yesterday, as far as it got, was pretty soft. there wasn't any effort to, you know, go hard with this witness, and there may ultimately not be. this is a witness who says he considers the president a friend. trump has been remarkably restrained about talking about david pecker in public. it may be the cross-examination strategy will be to expose the limits of this witness' testimony. he tells a lot of the story about catch and kill to elect the president, but what he doesn't do, necessarily, is put trump in the room or know what was inside of trump's mind. so what we may see on cross-examination today is more of an effort to reign in the impact that his testimony has on the jury when it comes to donald trump and what he thought, knew, and did. >> we will be watching. former u.s. attorney joyce vance, thank you so much, as always. >>> susan glasser, getting back to your piece about "king donald's day at t
pecker? >> mr. pecker was a solid first witness for the government on direct. but on cross, you sometimes learn a little bit more about a witness. the approach yesterday, as far as it got, was pretty soft. there wasn't any effort to, you know, go hard with this witness, and there may ultimately not be. this is a witness who says he considers the president a friend. trump has been remarkably restrained about talking about david pecker in public. it may be the cross-examination strategy...
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none of this according to pecker was new at all. as to president biden he was watched whether he was watching the trial he said no, he is too busy campaigning. so the cross-examination will continue today about three and a half hours from now. back to you in the studio. >> brian: bring in andy mccarthy former federal prosecutor and former assistant u.s. attorney and fox news contributor. >> good morning. >> ainsley: good morning. >> brian: andy, the president seemed really upbeat about what took place in the courtroom. did he have a reason to be? and what is the greatest area of concern for the defense team? >> well, i think he did have reason to be because prosecutors generally want to start very strong. and the witness that bragg seems to have put on david pecker, a long-time friend of president trump who clearly was not hostile to president trump given the trump's team understanding of the case what they realize while there seems to be a lot of evidence offered, it's evidence of conduct that's actually legal. so he can't have tho
none of this according to pecker was new at all. as to president biden he was watched whether he was watching the trial he said no, he is too busy campaigning. so the cross-examination will continue today about three and a half hours from now. back to you in the studio. >> brian: bring in andy mccarthy former federal prosecutor and former assistant u.s. attorney and fox news contributor. >> good morning. >> ainsley: good morning. >> brian: andy, the president seemed...
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pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on "60 minutes." >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker says trump called him. he said, "we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention any name." trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging pecker's credibility and business practices. at a campaign event earlier in the day, mr. trump addressed the testimony of his long-time friend. >> david's been very nice. a nice guy. >> reporter: did you give the payment to stormy daniels before the 2020 election? pecker also testifying today about a payment the testimony of his long-time friend. >> david has been very to former "playboy" model karen mcdougal to keep h
pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on "60 minutes." >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker says trump called him. he said, "we have an agreement with stormy...
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>> oh, david pecker is the star witness for the people. and that may be a bold statement because so far he's been the only witness, but there are a few points why he must be. number one, they never would have called him first if he wasn't a solid witness. and number two, who isn't fascinated by this expose of how tabloid checkbook journalism works. i found it fascinating, and if you're fascinated as a juror, you're definitely listening. point three, he's part of a character i call a skoundological in that he's unabashed, unashamed of what he does. when you have witnesses like that, jurors kind of like them. they realize they are who they are, and they will listen to them and find them credible. as to that credibility, he has somewhat less credibility issues than michael cohen. so i think a very effective witness for the state and a really tough witness to cross for the defense. >> we don't use the word scoundrel enough in our coverage enough, danny cevallos. thank you for joining us and giving us new vocab words. >>> still ahead we'll look
>> oh, david pecker is the star witness for the people. and that may be a bold statement because so far he's been the only witness, but there are a few points why he must be. number one, they never would have called him first if he wasn't a solid witness. and number two, who isn't fascinated by this expose of how tabloid checkbook journalism works. i found it fascinating, and if you're fascinated as a juror, you're definitely listening. point three, he's part of a character i call a...
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pecker says he declined to purchase her story. she is required to pay 1 million each time she says his name. after court, trump reacted, watch. >> today was breathtaking in this room. it was breathtaking. amazing testimony. this is a trial that should have never happened, this case should never have been filed. it was an incredible day. open your eyes. >> the manhattan d.a. office submitted four more examples they claim shows trump violating the gag order. there will be a hearing next thursday about that, president biden acknowledged trump's trial calling trump busy right now. he says he is too busy campaigning to watch the trial. >> carley: also, dualing day of hearings because supreme court weighed arguments on presidential immunity, how did that go? >> three hours, the country's highest court heard the immunity case. the question for the court is whether a former president has a measure of criminal immunity for acts taken during arguments. many justices signal they are thinking far beyond the case at hand and focus on broader i
pecker says he declined to purchase her story. she is required to pay 1 million each time she says his name. after court, trump reacted, watch. >> today was breathtaking in this room. it was breathtaking. amazing testimony. this is a trial that should have never happened, this case should never have been filed. it was an incredible day. open your eyes. >> the manhattan d.a. office submitted four more examples they claim shows trump violating the gag order. there will be a hearing...
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pecker? we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization. >> steinglass. and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hur's the campaign. and that's just one of the many times where pecker is indirect. basically said this was for the campaign, not for a personal reason. it's incredibly important because as we keep hearing from this gentleman, like what's the crime here? there's the crime that this is an illegal campaign contribution that is funneled through funneled through ami american media, the national enquirer for the benefit of donald trouser, house of a campaign contribution. because it's money spent for the benefit of the campaign. oh, come on. you don't think that's pecker gave some really important testimony today about that where he said that when it got close to the campaign, trump express concern about stories coming out about allegations of affa
pecker? we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization. >> steinglass. and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hur's the campaign. and that's just one of the many times where pecker is indirect. basically said this was for the campaign, not for a personal reason. it's incredibly important because as we keep hearing from this gentleman, like what's...
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but first, we start in new york where david pecker testified foa the third day. it i os less clear is the trial wears on as what is the crime? >> today was a breathtaking. and amazing testimony. this is a trial that should never happen. this is a case that should have never been filed. >> laura: joining me now is" todd piro, coanchor of "fox & friends first," i know you were in the courtroom today. you were witnessing and whatwers the take away today? >> i can't answer the crime is. we havlarse said legal cannot sy what the crime is to be in the courtroom and watch hour upon hour of testimony my still don't have an answer. to me, we have had nine years ou trump bad and in court, he had eight more hours of trump bad. i still don't know what the crime is. >> laura: when you watch the jury in the courtroom, are they riveted? are there eyes and attention seem to wonder? i'm so jealous you got to be in the courtroom he would give us a since of a bird's-eye view. >> i was was in the overflow ron i wasn't where the jury was pure to put to that point, i made a number of
but first, we start in new york where david pecker testified foa the third day. it i os less clear is the trial wears on as what is the crime? >> today was a breathtaking. and amazing testimony. this is a trial that should never happen. this is a case that should have never been filed. >> laura: joining me now is" todd piro, coanchor of "fox & friends first," i know you were in the courtroom today. you were witnessing and whatwers the take away today? >> i...
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pecker said when mr. trump called me he said, he asked me if i saw the stormy daniels interview with anderson cooper and i said yes, i did. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name or do anything like this. and each time she reaches the agreement it is a one million-dollar penalty and based on the interview with anderson cooper, donald trump talk about himself she owes him $24 million. john says, that is what donald trump told you, pecker said, that is what he told me. >> you recently interviewed stormy daniels. there is some money -- >> that was a desperate problem for stormy daniels. but when she was represented by michael, he slew donald trump on her behalf for defamation. that case was not only thrown out of court but the judge in california awarded attorney fees to donald trump because the judge said the case was frivolous. those were assessed against the client, stormy daniels, not against the lawyer. that debt which has been multiplying is currently about $67
pecker said when mr. trump called me he said, he asked me if i saw the stormy daniels interview with anderson cooper and i said yes, i did. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name or do anything like this. and each time she reaches the agreement it is a one million-dollar penalty and based on the interview with anderson cooper, donald trump talk about himself she owes him $24 million. john says, that is what donald trump told you, pecker said, that is...
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one, this was not pecker's first rodeo. and two, pecker was always serving pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of this payment had nothing to do with benefitting donald trump's campaign. trump for pecker was good business as he had always been, but that doesn't to your point undermine the fact it's still an election law violation and david pecker knew it at the time. >> let me interject, though. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for 17 years in terms of burying stories and get him happy and contribute daand all that stuff. and then once trump's campaign started in 2015 and 2017, that's when pecker started paying to shut people up for the first time. i mean prosecution said in their opening statement monday that that was only once trump had his presidential campaign going, that was the first time they ever paid anyone -- paid anyone for information about trump. it's a qualitatively different process at that point. >> i agree with that and the payments were abnormal even by enquirer standards. pecker testified a
one, this was not pecker's first rodeo. and two, pecker was always serving pecker. in other words, the primary purpose of this payment had nothing to do with benefitting donald trump's campaign. trump for pecker was good business as he had always been, but that doesn't to your point undermine the fact it's still an election law violation and david pecker knew it at the time. >> let me interject, though. isn't there a big difference between what david pecker used to do for donald trump for...
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i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors and i said, did he pay her parents? he said no, and this guy said i had to sue to get their money. i said okay, well, they got $.50 on the dollar back in the guy says you know what? they voted for trump. why if they believe he cheated them on their money? he said because, if you cheat says he will cheat everybody else on behalf of america, cheat the rest of the world on behalf of america. there is an interesting dynamic. it's a view, of him as somebody who is able to manipulate the system to work the system, bypass the system, whatever it is, that see
i felt like david pecker encapsulates maga world. he keeps drifting and completely dupes his followers, but then they said there and they still pay homage to him. talk about whether or not you think that this trial, even so far, has been moving the needle in any way in terms of public sentiment when it comes to donald trump. >> yeah, it reminds me of a story i was told by a new yorker whose parents worked for donald trump's contractors. he wasn't always good about paying the contractors...
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>> there is a feeling that pecker is a strong witness. there is also a lot of apprehension about some of the witnesses. michael cohen is at is at some point going to have to takes the stand and prosecutors are looking at positioning that midway through next month. there is a mounting sense of anxiety, particularly over the course of this week about how noisy michael cohen is and how he is a loose cannon. i have had contact with him over the years and i think i understand and empathize with all of the reasons he is in a stressful position right now. to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team, finally amount i am going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast. he was just spouting vulgarities all of the time about trump. he had started a fundraising campaign. these were all things that made prosecutors nervous about positioning him as a meaningful witness in this case. >> as we await this testimony, this was the new yor
>> there is a feeling that pecker is a strong witness. there is also a lot of apprehension about some of the witnesses. michael cohen is at is at some point going to have to takes the stand and prosecutors are looking at positioning that midway through next month. there is a mounting sense of anxiety, particularly over the course of this week about how noisy michael cohen is and how he is a loose cannon. i have had contact with him over the years and i think i understand and empathize...
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pecker says, yes. steinglass says, did either you or ami every report to the federal election commission in 2016 that ami had made a $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. pecker said as no, we did not. >> steinglass asked, why did in my make this purchase of karen mcdougal story pecker, we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization steinglass. >> and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? >> i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. and that's just one of the many times where pecker in direct basically said this was for the campaign, not for a personal reason. >> it's incredibly important because as we keep hearing from this gentleman, like what's the crime here? there's the crime that this is an illegal campaign contribution that is funneled through funneled through ami american media, the national enquirer for the benefit of donald charles. >> i was at a campaign contribution because it
pecker says, yes. steinglass says, did either you or ami every report to the federal election commission in 2016 that ami had made a $150,000 payment to karen mcdougal. pecker said as no, we did not. >> steinglass asked, why did in my make this purchase of karen mcdougal story pecker, we purchased the story so it wouldn't be published by any organization steinglass. >> and why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker? >> i didn't want we didn't...
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former president asking him, at that moment, according to pecker house, karen doing two which pecker says he replied, quote, she's doing well, she's quiet. everything is going good in another conversation, pecker said trump preferred to mcdougal is our girl. pecker also suggested that trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels when each broke their silence will bring you excerpts in our coverage tonight. >> in washington, the supreme court oral arguments were underway and the conservatives who as we know, have a majority on the court, appeared to embrace at least some form of criminal immunity for presidents, the liberal minority, by contrast, focused on the temptation that might be it for a future president if they have that what i'm i more worried about using to be worried about the president being chilled. i think that we would have a really significant opposite problem if the president wasn't chilled if someone with those kinds of powers, the most powerful person in the world with the greatest amount of authority could go into office knowing that there
former president asking him, at that moment, according to pecker house, karen doing two which pecker says he replied, quote, she's doing well, she's quiet. everything is going good in another conversation, pecker said trump preferred to mcdougal is our girl. pecker also suggested that trump was angry about the interviews i did with her and stormy daniels when each broke their silence will bring you excerpts in our coverage tonight. >> in washington, the supreme court oral arguments were...