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mcdougal. you've got the world of bottom feeders, as you mentioned before, these people that you couldn't even cast them better in a movie. here they are testifying in this case. it is amazing. >> one of the things we saw, basically that robert castillo moment ends up being a pivotal fulcrum. the make or break moment is does he stay on board? there is the tweet he read", very quickly, when basically the word gets out that he's cooperating, that case applied tremendous pressure on him and unlike michael cohen, he refused to break. make up stories in order to get a deal. such respect for a brave man. basically we, icu, i see what you are doing from the white house, from the president of the united states. >> that is the day after he takes his first plea. it is pretty clear what the connection is. one other thing i will say is michael cohen love to donald trump. the one thing he lived more than that and still does, he loves his family. that tweet in particular really had to life michael cohen. he
mcdougal. you've got the world of bottom feeders, as you mentioned before, these people that you couldn't even cast them better in a movie. here they are testifying in this case. it is amazing. >> one of the things we saw, basically that robert castillo moment ends up being a pivotal fulcrum. the make or break moment is does he stay on board? there is the tweet he read", very quickly, when basically the word gets out that he's cooperating, that case applied tremendous pressure on him...
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karen mcdougal does come out before the election and you have all those conversations where trump is telling what to do and i will deny deny deny. they are hyperaware of the political damage and none of the witnesses that have come through have said anything about melania. i have a source when access hollywood dropped. he told me he went upstairs with trump and melania was very distraught. no one knows anything about anyone's marriage so i have no idea. they went for debate prep. i don't think trump went upstairs alone. i think it ended and a subset of that group went upstairs to the residence to deal with the statement, to deal with melania. i think a group -- i don't think ryan went because his vote was to dump trump what i think a few of them went upstairs for debate trap. milani was reportedly crying. we don't know why she was crying. was she mortified? was she mad at him for getting out? who knows. his concerns about her were very distant second. his political concerns of what he's afraid of being, a loser. >> at opening statements trumps defense counsel did suggest that the rea
karen mcdougal does come out before the election and you have all those conversations where trump is telling what to do and i will deny deny deny. they are hyperaware of the political damage and none of the witnesses that have come through have said anything about melania. i have a source when access hollywood dropped. he told me he went upstairs with trump and melania was very distraught. no one knows anything about anyone's marriage so i have no idea. they went for debate prep. i don't think...
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the content of that recording is helpful to show his knowledge of the karen mcdougal payment but the fact it was recorded secretly really seems to undercut the argument that michael cohen did things always undating donald trump. that he never really went rogue. that he always sought his approval. when you are recording your own client, to share it with a third party without their knowledge, that is the kind of thing that is going rogue. so again, the defense did score some points where they body blows, no, they weren't. >> and if you are a part of the jury, who do you think has come across as more credible in this trial so far? trump or cohen? >> it is hard to say. i haven't been in the room for the couple so i don't want to render any kind of verdict on the credibility. but if you are asking that question. it is not really a great sign. for the prosecution. they need to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt. if you believe michael cohen is a essential part of the case, which he is. no prosecutor would have called him unless he was. it is not enough to say you believe him more t
the content of that recording is helpful to show his knowledge of the karen mcdougal payment but the fact it was recorded secretly really seems to undercut the argument that michael cohen did things always undating donald trump. that he never really went rogue. that he always sought his approval. when you are recording your own client, to share it with a third party without their knowledge, that is the kind of thing that is going rogue. so again, the defense did score some points where they...
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mcdougal matter. during those conversations castillo was having with michael cohen , he said he had nothing on donald trump but michael cohen has already told the jurors on direct examination that, he was not telling the truth to costello because he wanted to stay loyal to donald trump and he was the subject of a pressure campaign in which costello was making references to donald trump helping them out, like sleep well tonight, you have friends in high places. this is a strategy that benefits -- the defendant might want to put on, they may have him speak to michael cohen being a liar, the main theme of the defense case, but i am doubtful they will put robert costello on, because it opens him up to cross-examination by the prosecution. we will see. as you said, the question of whether donald trump will take the stand. if he does, there is a number of things the prosecution can ask him about, like the carroll case in which he was said to have defamed her, and his civil fraud case in which he was found t
mcdougal matter. during those conversations castillo was having with michael cohen , he said he had nothing on donald trump but michael cohen has already told the jurors on direct examination that, he was not telling the truth to costello because he wanted to stay loyal to donald trump and he was the subject of a pressure campaign in which costello was making references to donald trump helping them out, like sleep well tonight, you have friends in high places. this is a strategy that benefits...
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the karen mcdougal interview. mcdougal is one of the women at the center of former president trump's hush money trial. she says they had an affair starting in 2006 that lasted around ten months. the former president denies an affair with mcdougal or a sexual relationship with stormy daniels karen mcdougal was paid by the company that owns the national enquirer for her story as part of a catch and kill scheme. i spoke to her about it back in 2018. karen mcdougal had never told her story on camera and full until this interview. and she's never done an interview like it says if we could just start at the beginning, how did you meet donald trump i met donald when they were filming the celebrity apprentice at the playboy mansion. >> they were filming there and i was hired as one of deployments to work at the pool party, seen as quite fine actually. and you'd you'd worked for playboy for some time yes. >> i after becoming play mated the year i was required to work so many events with playboy. and that was one of the eve
the karen mcdougal interview. mcdougal is one of the women at the center of former president trump's hush money trial. she says they had an affair starting in 2006 that lasted around ten months. the former president denies an affair with mcdougal or a sexual relationship with stormy daniels karen mcdougal was paid by the company that owns the national enquirer for her story as part of a catch and kill scheme. i spoke to her about it back in 2018. karen mcdougal had never told her story on...
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. >> there's also the secret ordering of donald trump and cohen discussing the karen mcdougall payment that counters the narrative that the stormy daniels payment would have been done ever without trump's knowledge. take a quick listen, guys keep. >> i spoke to alan about it when it comes time for the financing. no, no, no. >> so, he tried to make a big deal about netanyahu secretly recording a client, but harry, that ended up falling flat when he said hey, there is also a crime fraud exception to any kind of attorney-client confidentiality. you think the jury picked up on that nuance right there? >> this, by the way, is an especially difficult jury to read. i think they are aware of their historic role in the file in like soldiers of justice. they do not chat with one another. the short answer is i don't know, but the real answer is it doesn't matter. whatever they think about that, and whatever they think about the ethics of taping whatever, trump's words responding immediately, how are we paying? including blanche tried to say well, maybe cash versus check, it has to do with the met
. >> there's also the secret ordering of donald trump and cohen discussing the karen mcdougall payment that counters the narrative that the stormy daniels payment would have been done ever without trump's knowledge. take a quick listen, guys keep. >> i spoke to alan about it when it comes time for the financing. no, no, no. >> so, he tried to make a big deal about netanyahu secretly recording a client, but harry, that ended up falling flat when he said hey, there is also a...
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mcdougal, the interview. >> the news continues on cnn. have a good night. >> straight from the source tonight i am brand new reporting on a tense divide over who might take the stand next at trump's trial. my lead source has extraordinary inside first as a top doj a prosecutor, now as one of america's go to attorneys for high-profile clients, most recently, britney spears and critics tonight are calling for a supreme court justice to step aside from trump's appeal for immunity after justice, a alito admits a symbol of so-called stop the steal was flying in front of his house just days after june murray six, he says his wife is to blame for the upside down american flag. there's also new fallout tonight from a shocking cnn exclusive sean diddy combs caught on camera violently assaulting his then girlfriend, a beating that he previously denied. did his former assistant will join me live. i'm kaitlin collins and this is the source fresh off of a cliff hanger in the courtroom, donald trump is back on the campaign trail tonight. he's about to
mcdougal, the interview. >> the news continues on cnn. have a good night. >> straight from the source tonight i am brand new reporting on a tense divide over who might take the stand next at trump's trial. my lead source has extraordinary inside first as a top doj a prosecutor, now as one of america's go to attorneys for high-profile clients, most recently, britney spears and critics tonight are calling for a supreme court justice to step aside from trump's appeal for immunity after...
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mcdougal interview along with stormy daniels, karen mcdougal's at the center for president trump's ongoing hush money trial she spoke to. >> me back in 2018 are revealed for the first time on camera, the full story about her alleged relationship with trump, which she says began in 2006, and about the payment for her silence brokered through the parent company of the national enquirer karen mcdougal has never spoken about it in such a tail on cameras since did you think maybe this would lead to a marriage maybe that's something though. you liked him enough. that's something you would have like. >> maybe did he at the time say tell you that you were his only girlfriend or did that subnet we never really discussed that i knew he talked to lady's but i didn't know there was anything else. i didn't know he was intimate with other ladies, but i guess if he's makes sense, if he's doing a behind his wife's back why would not do it by my back. >> but at that time in the frame of mind, you were in then you felt you were the only one i thought i was the only one. >> yeah. i didn't i thought i was the
mcdougal interview along with stormy daniels, karen mcdougal's at the center for president trump's ongoing hush money trial she spoke to. >> me back in 2018 are revealed for the first time on camera, the full story about her alleged relationship with trump, which she says began in 2006, and about the payment for her silence brokered through the parent company of the national enquirer karen mcdougal has never spoken about it in such a tail on cameras since did you think maybe this would...
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mcdougal story out helping with "the times" and other pieces of the story. i could only think that someone who's done what i have done, it would be one of the first to go to the -- someone punished for helping to get stories in the public interest. this was something of profound national importance, i felt, and something i've pursued and persecuted by american media, by david pecker. one thread that i'll get framed, "the new york times" piece framed, which is over eight pages including the cover, with all the legal letters, including from lynnwood and john gibbs, who represents the january 6th people, coming after me, threatening me with a $5 million lawsuit. the $5 million lawsuit and the one threat that was the one that made me go to the bathroom and repaint it 50 shades of puke, was the threat we will terminate the contract agreement and he will not be allowed to remain in the country any further. and my lawyer said, they're threatening to have you kicked out of the country if you speak out. that was right after the weinstein story had come out, and i sai
mcdougal story out helping with "the times" and other pieces of the story. i could only think that someone who's done what i have done, it would be one of the first to go to the -- someone punished for helping to get stories in the public interest. this was something of profound national importance, i felt, and something i've pursued and persecuted by american media, by david pecker. one thread that i'll get framed, "the new york times" piece framed, which is over eight...
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. >> well, and that was specifically related to karen mcdougal. let me get your take on that moment in court. >> i think it was a huge moment, no doubt about it. i think the defense has been sort of floundering a little bit asking about all these prior lies. that's not the important point. one of the important things blanche did on this question is, listen, on direct examination, you didn't say anything about this. all you said was i talked to donald trump about stormy daniels. why didn't you mention it on direct? that's the key point. it's fine for the jurors to think, okay, he lied all these other times, home equity loan. he lied under oath for congress. he's made up for all of that. but here, jury, he lied to you and i think that's what made it such a big point. i was watching those jurors, they absolutely were going back and forth, blanche and cohen, and cohen didn't respond well. one of the things he can was, hmm, well i'm not so sure and i think and i believe. and those things aren't the type of responses you should say, and he did finally s
. >> well, and that was specifically related to karen mcdougal. let me get your take on that moment in court. >> i think it was a huge moment, no doubt about it. i think the defense has been sort of floundering a little bit asking about all these prior lies. that's not the important point. one of the important things blanche did on this question is, listen, on direct examination, you didn't say anything about this. all you said was i talked to donald trump about stormy daniels. why...
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he didn't care about karen mcdougal. he thought it actually in a sick way would help him and end. the third thing is in cross blanche brought out that trump reimbursed cohen when you pay for legal services. that's not reimbursement, right? right. yeah. no we've definitely look into that. so on on the on re-examine are redirects rather? yes. >> how do the prosecutors how should they try to dispense with what we saw? >> that is a fantastic point whenever i had a moment like that on cross, my redirect saved the day. so this break actually helps the prosecution more than a defense on redirect. i would go back to the october 24 call. i would put up those text messages and have cohen looked at jury in the eye? and say, you know what, i did talk about that. but i also talked about the deal that may be coming. so i forgot to mention that, and i apologize. just have them own it. and also, i would go back to his statement before congress and reaffirm that trump's legal advisors told him to lie to congress that's devastating. i'm sorry. that really makes trump look bad. >> interesting all ri
he didn't care about karen mcdougal. he thought it actually in a sick way would help him and end. the third thing is in cross blanche brought out that trump reimbursed cohen when you pay for legal services. that's not reimbursement, right? right. yeah. no we've definitely look into that. so on on the on re-examine are redirects rather? yes. >> how do the prosecutors how should they try to dispense with what we saw? >> that is a fantastic point whenever i had a moment like that on...
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this was for the model story, karen mcdougal. >> i spoke to aloe allen about it. when it comes time for the financing. >> what financing. >> we'll have to go pay. >> pay in cash. >> no no no. expect that tape is bad for trump. i am not sure there is a good way to explain it away, but at trial you get to hear both sides, and i don't mean this as a diss to the trump lawyers, sometimes it creates doubt for complicated story. it's up to the jury, to decide what they think that tape means in full holistic context of all the evidence. this was interesting today. it's the first time we have heard how they will deal with this. trump's defense lawyers, making the argument that trump didn't mean actual dollar bills, but she was distinguishing between using his own money and financing. cohen disputes that, though he says separately the word they would in the world of real state discussion discuss all transactions in cash. this is why everyone deserves their day in court if they are accused of a crime, because i'm not saying that the trump argument there is a good argument. i
this was for the model story, karen mcdougal. >> i spoke to aloe allen about it. when it comes time for the financing. >> what financing. >> we'll have to go pay. >> pay in cash. >> no no no. expect that tape is bad for trump. i am not sure there is a good way to explain it away, but at trial you get to hear both sides, and i don't mean this as a diss to the trump lawyers, sometimes it creates doubt for complicated story. it's up to the jury, to decide what they...
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karen mcdougal was the playboy model who had a long-term affair with donald trump, and her story was then suppressed by the national enquirer on behalf of donald trump during the presidential campaign, and the national enquirer paid her $150,000 for her rights to that story so the national enquirer could kill that story. todd blanche actually said to michael cohen that donald trump "didn't think this story would hurt him." what about his wife? their position is that whatever donald trump did in relation to karen mcdougal or stormy daniels was all about protecting the feelings of his wife, not his campaign. but, todd blanche said in court that donald trump did not think the karen mcdougal story would hurt him. why? because his wife wouldn't care? because she knows this is what her husband is up to all the time? and at 3:43 today just before the end of michael cohen's testimony, todd blanche said, "president trump reimbursed you from his own personal funds? >> either from president trump's or from the trust." >> so, todd blanche admitted that donald trump reimbursed michael cohen. the
karen mcdougal was the playboy model who had a long-term affair with donald trump, and her story was then suppressed by the national enquirer on behalf of donald trump during the presidential campaign, and the national enquirer paid her $150,000 for her rights to that story so the national enquirer could kill that story. todd blanche actually said to michael cohen that donald trump "didn't think this story would hurt him." what about his wife? their position is that whatever donald...
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todd blanche said something about karen mcdougal that undermines one of the pillars of the defense. karen mcdougal was the play-by- play model who had a long-term affair with donald trump and her story was then suppressed by the national enquirer on behalf of donald trump during the campaign when the national enquirer paid karen mcdougal $150,000 for her life rights, so the national and buyer could then kill that story, prevent it from ever coming out. todd blanche actually said to michael cohen that donald trump, quote, didn't think this story would hurt him. what about the milani a defense? the defense position is that whatever donald trump did in relation to the karen mcdougal story or stormy daniels story was all about protecting the feelings of his wife, not protecting his presidential campaign. todd blanche said in court today that donald trump did not think the karen mcdougal story would hurt him. why? because she wouldn't care? because she knows this is what her husband is up to all the time? at 3:43 p.m. today, just before the end of michael cohen's testimony for the day, t
todd blanche said something about karen mcdougal that undermines one of the pillars of the defense. karen mcdougal was the play-by- play model who had a long-term affair with donald trump and her story was then suppressed by the national enquirer on behalf of donald trump during the campaign when the national enquirer paid karen mcdougal $150,000 for her life rights, so the national and buyer could then kill that story, prevent it from ever coming out. todd blanche actually said to michael...
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who knows about the whole scheme when he's talking about karen mcdougal. but you can't just look at this in isolation because the problem with that is yes, he signed the check. >> but did he put the annotation into the book? no. >> they has to play a lot. you don't have to know, but, but it's a false business records rights. >> and so the false business record is not the signature on the check. it's the annotation of what the check is four, because if we it's the invoice, it goes out papal to the can. so and that's what he saw when he signed each and every one of those things. >> that's going to come forward. this is trump's defense without him taking the standard saying it. >> i was in dc, michael cohen didn't get paid until 2017 when those check started going out. >> i was in dc running the country. i was just i was not dealing with the trump organization in new york, whatever they did over there allen weisselberg did it and he knows how weisselberg isn't coming into court because he's in jail right now bringing up he's got the perfect way. and it just g
who knows about the whole scheme when he's talking about karen mcdougal. but you can't just look at this in isolation because the problem with that is yes, he signed the check. >> but did he put the annotation into the book? no. >> they has to play a lot. you don't have to know, but, but it's a false business records rights. >> and so the false business record is not the signature on the check. it's the annotation of what the check is four, because if we it's the invoice, it...
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obviously, they had a different mo with karen mcdougal and david pecker and the national enquirer. and they chose a different route this way with stormy but it's not really what i think that michael cohen can recall or how a consistently is and telling a story in 24 for events that occurred in 16, 17, and 18, the real issue is what is corroborative, what documents exist, who had the motive what actions were taken i don't think witness needs to know every detail. they just have some part part and the overall factual development of this matter. >> and to that point, about what's corroborative. now that we're getting towards the end of this trial, do you think that there's reasonable doubt that trump committed these crimes and stormy daniels ready for a potential not guilty verdict? >> well, stormy is ready for whatever happens here. i mean, she is very resilient. she's a strong woman and she she's quite impressive in my view on how she used with these issues but you're asking if there's reasonable doubt the question as was he behind the nda, did he orchestrate that? did he cause cohe
obviously, they had a different mo with karen mcdougal and david pecker and the national enquirer. and they chose a different route this way with stormy but it's not really what i think that michael cohen can recall or how a consistently is and telling a story in 24 for events that occurred in 16, 17, and 18, the real issue is what is corroborative, what documents exist, who had the motive what actions were taken i don't think witness needs to know every detail. they just have some part part...
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right here. >> but stormy daniels, and karen mcdougal and the salacious chats. i do think there's so much in here. and you also have to remember the political component. you had the speaker of the house yesterday there. and you have trump having people who are republican, elected republicans saying the things he is not allowed to say because of the gag order. >> the other thing i thought the lawyer tried to show the witness is he's dodgy. it doesn't mean he is lying to the court but he did that. he would make these recordings and people would say are you recording me? he would say no which was lying to them. not perjury. not illegal. but the idea that lying comes people he claim to be working for or with. he's just unreliable. then he has his own dissembling about his own case. you brought this up earlier this week. either gotten in trouble for the republican statements. here's what he was telling us about the fraud and the alleged taxi case which then became later convicted. take a look. >>> first and foremost, there was no fraud in the medallions. second of al
right here. >> but stormy daniels, and karen mcdougal and the salacious chats. i do think there's so much in here. and you also have to remember the political component. you had the speaker of the house yesterday there. and you have trump having people who are republican, elected republicans saying the things he is not allowed to say because of the gag order. >> the other thing i thought the lawyer tried to show the witness is he's dodgy. it doesn't mean he is lying to the court but...
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they're talking about the karen mcdougal payment. they're talking about the $130,000. it's interesting that so much of this cross has not centered around this $130,000 payment. >> networks don't pay money, not in my 40 decades, whatever. networks don't pay the way tabloids do. they don't pay for a story. this is not a credible story. >> unless it was an adjacent kind of -- >> $130,000, the same amount, he's saying. >> well, we're going to continue to watch this. you talked about that recording he made with mr. davidson, yes, in october. what did you say to santucci. barbara mcquade, so much of this just the idea about the payment, and who they made the payment to, and that another news organization was interested, we all heard this before. is this just a reminder? is this going somewhere that you can see. we have seen throughout the course of this cross, again, putting something out there, it's almost like a reminder and moving on to something else. that a number of people have found hard to follow. >> yes, as chuck was saying earlier, a lot of this is not to deliver t
they're talking about the karen mcdougal payment. they're talking about the $130,000. it's interesting that so much of this cross has not centered around this $130,000 payment. >> networks don't pay money, not in my 40 decades, whatever. networks don't pay the way tabloids do. they don't pay for a story. this is not a credible story. >> unless it was an adjacent kind of -- >> $130,000, the same amount, he's saying. >> well, we're going to continue to watch this. you...
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mcdougal. where are the recordings about you and weisselberg and this whole deal and that's the only thing i'm thinking why he's going down the whole long string about the recordings. >> if jurors aren't thinking of that, he's going to put it in their minds. >> yeah, why don't you have that? the recordings that involve the crimes in this case. >> good point, very possible. >> if you're recording all the time, you have that fragment of a recording of donald trump talking about a payment, why would you not have something that would be as important to you as this, especially if you were doing something to cover up a crime on behalf of donald trump. >> although, mr. cohen doesn't appear to be a very good or careful lawyer. there may be no rhyme or reason to what he does and doesn't do. to catherine's point, the absence of evidence, and particularly the absence of, you know, critical phone calls, at least recordings of them, you can't trust mr. cohen, and you have to consider the fact that stuff is
mcdougal. where are the recordings about you and weisselberg and this whole deal and that's the only thing i'm thinking why he's going down the whole long string about the recordings. >> if jurors aren't thinking of that, he's going to put it in their minds. >> yeah, why don't you have that? the recordings that involve the crimes in this case. >> good point, very possible. >> if you're recording all the time, you have that fragment of a recording of donald trump talking...
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now they're getting ready to pay karen mcdougal off. and michael cohen apparently takes out his cell phone records. this conversation with trump, and then they talk for a couple of minutes. we've all seen this call. it's not public or not call this recorded conversation. it's now public and then michael cohen cell phone, which he's using to record the conversation, receives an incoming call cutting it off. what's really important about this recording? first of all, it was as we were saying before, it completely unethical. and in fact, todd blanche got michael cohen to acknowledge that you don't record your own client and now todd blanche is attacking michael collins. explanation for why he recorded that. what michael cohen said on his direct testimony is, i want it to be able to play this recording for david pecker to assure him that he would get paid that opens up a lot of questions that we're at todd's about to get into here. i do want to get back to aaron in new york with some new details. aaron, what can you tell us all right. >> br
now they're getting ready to pay karen mcdougal off. and michael cohen apparently takes out his cell phone records. this conversation with trump, and then they talk for a couple of minutes. we've all seen this call. it's not public or not call this recorded conversation. it's now public and then michael cohen cell phone, which he's using to record the conversation, receives an incoming call cutting it off. what's really important about this recording? first of all, it was as we were saying...
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mcdougal. we didn't know about that. it is pretty interesting. >> i'm wondering if there are key players jurors haven't heard from that you're aware of that you think would be beneficial to providing more clarity on this story. >> the biggest missing piece here is allen weisselberg who is in prison, trump's former cfo and he was -- is the architect of this reimbursement plan that trump is charged with creating these phony records to hide the reimbursement to michael cohen for stormy daniels. so, you know, he has been loyal to trump and so, you know, he is not going to be testifying as we understand it. the other -- but he would be the only other firsthand person who could confirm michael cohen's story and dylan howard, the former editor of the "national enquirer" who was also deeply involved in both the stormy daniels and karen mcdougal hush money payments is also not testifying. >> jeremy, so, looking at this from the defense team, what are you seeing the rest of the defense team seeing when a
mcdougal. we didn't know about that. it is pretty interesting. >> i'm wondering if there are key players jurors haven't heard from that you're aware of that you think would be beneficial to providing more clarity on this story. >> the biggest missing piece here is allen weisselberg who is in prison, trump's former cfo and he was -- is the architect of this reimbursement plan that trump is charged with creating these phony records to hide the reimbursement to michael cohen for stormy...
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karen mcdougal they canceled. your thoughts. >> the determination as to whether or not you are going to mounts a defense in this case will be right up until the last minute for obvious reasons. personally knowing what we know, i don't think it's necessary. because it's a little bit risky. if you think you have won the case at the close of the prosecution's case, sit down, shut up and make your argument in front of the jury once the jury instructions have been discussed and figured out, which side bar will be a task in and of itself for a myriad of reasons. if i were on the team, i would be voting against mounting a defense. i would even be voting against calling bob costello to the stand. it is tempting but risky. >> harris: we got a note from john roberts inside the court and want to playing a potential discrepancy with costello's testimony to congress and the timeline, mercedes is bob costello's testimony contains a surprising discrepancy. john roberts reporting from the courthouse. when trump's inner circle wen
karen mcdougal they canceled. your thoughts. >> the determination as to whether or not you are going to mounts a defense in this case will be right up until the last minute for obvious reasons. personally knowing what we know, i don't think it's necessary. because it's a little bit risky. if you think you have won the case at the close of the prosecution's case, sit down, shut up and make your argument in front of the jury once the jury instructions have been discussed and figured out,...
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mcdougal, whether the jury believed that or not, but there's still a concerted effort which is why you heard from the prosecution. they were there by the way, they sidebar the judge's bench. this after a pretty lengthy sidebar already happened this morning. i think about 20 minutes long, so we don't yet know what they were talking about and why the judge did apologize for all the whispering which has happened to the bench with you're on. but at the end of the day, i mean, comey has been shown versions of text messages and beyond. they're going right back to his own words. they're being used against them as elie points that earlier and i want to go back to just the way in which they are going to use it. i mean, the words are gonna be used as weapons, whether it's his book sales, whether it's his podcast, the merchandise that he has, the comments that he's made about donald trump. but again the biggest text that's important here, the star witness are 34 falsified business records. if the prosecution is unable to reorient the conversation towards that or if the defense it gets so far away
mcdougal, whether the jury believed that or not, but there's still a concerted effort which is why you heard from the prosecution. they were there by the way, they sidebar the judge's bench. this after a pretty lengthy sidebar already happened this morning. i think about 20 minutes long, so we don't yet know what they were talking about and why the judge did apologize for all the whispering which has happened to the bench with you're on. but at the end of the day, i mean, comey has been shown...
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mcdougal payment as well is strong corroborating evidence that donald trump knew what he was doing with the stormy daniels payment and want did to take care of it. the fact that they needed to double the amount of money in order to compensate for taxes, income taxes that michael cohen would pay in order to true up the hundred and $30,000 that he paid out of his own pocket is also something that's pretty persuasive, but it is, it is clearly the one area that the prosecution is putting together through a certain amount of circumstantial evidence, number of trump allies have been over at that courthouse, including house speaker mike johnson. >> he stood outside of the courthouse and basically parotid all of trump's talking points about the trial. >> i mean, what does it say to you that the speaker came all the way to new york city to publicly defend this president i mean, other than the fact that it is pathetic that he has to prostrate themselves in front of donald trump by going to new york and spewing his lies. it is just a further attack on the rule of law, and it is completely inapprop
mcdougal payment as well is strong corroborating evidence that donald trump knew what he was doing with the stormy daniels payment and want did to take care of it. the fact that they needed to double the amount of money in order to compensate for taxes, income taxes that michael cohen would pay in order to true up the hundred and $30,000 that he paid out of his own pocket is also something that's pretty persuasive, but it is, it is clearly the one area that the prosecution is putting together...
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they didn't no about karen mcdougal. they didn't know about stormy scandal. that's who the victim is here. some of this we're getting lost in what actually happened, because there's so much to take in, but you have to remember the american electorate was none the wiser for what went on. >> and there could be the potential a jury could very well see the american public was impacted, and in fact it was a campaign violation. the question though, is will the jury acknowledge that and also can they provide him in leniency and make the ultimate determination he was wholly knowledgeable about the actual execution and falsification of business records. that's the distinction for the jury here. i'm not fully convinced the prosecution has completely drilled that home. >> david kelly, who is unwilling to go on a limb and see things play out was more forward leaning than he's ever been. i asked him about that. he said, in terms of proving the underlying crime to the degree you have to prove is not a reasonable doubt, there's not criminal charges, and he schedule he thoug
they didn't no about karen mcdougal. they didn't know about stormy scandal. that's who the victim is here. some of this we're getting lost in what actually happened, because there's so much to take in, but you have to remember the american electorate was none the wiser for what went on. >> and there could be the potential a jury could very well see the american public was impacted, and in fact it was a campaign violation. the question though, is will the jury acknowledge that and also can...
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note this friday with the hush money trial in recessed or miss a three 60 special my interview with karen mcdougal, i talked to her back in 2018 right after the story broke of her alleged affair with the former president's something he denied as it's the only tv interview. she's ever done. watch the interview this friday at 8:00 p.m. eastern. >> that's it for us. the news continues right after a break when the competition is a nuclear competition, spying is extraordinarily important russia we're trying to spy on us we were spying on them it's very difficult to determine whom you can trust i was telling frank everything got out of control this is a war. the secret was the secrets in spies, a nuclear game premier sunday, june 2, that ten on cnn how far would you go to control the fragrance in your home? there's an easier way, dry air wake vibrant with two times more natural essential oils, but up to 120 days of amazing fragrance per dual pack. now, that's a breath of fresh air wick, home where routine meets remarkable with unexpected moments of inspiration around every corner and through ev
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. >> you have david pecker, the fixer and keep davidson, representing stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, you've got this world of bottom feeders, these people that, you could not cast them better in a movie and here they are test flying. it's amazing. >> one thing we saw, that moment ends up being a little, right? the make or break moment, does he stay on? there was a court -- a tweet read in court, that when the word gets out he is cooperating, the president of the united states, says "i feel badly for him and his family. justice took a 12-year-old tax case and put tremendous pressure on him and like michael cohen, he refused to break. such respect for a brave man." basically, i see you, i see what you're doing from the white house. >> that is the day after he takes his first plea. it's pretty clear what the connection is. one other thing i will say is that michael cohen loved donald trump at the one thing he loved more, and still does, is his family. that tweet in particular really had to knife michael cohen. he's a person who took his pleas largely because his family and maintains he
. >> you have david pecker, the fixer and keep davidson, representing stormy daniels and karen mcdougal, you've got this world of bottom feeders, these people that, you could not cast them better in a movie and here they are test flying. it's amazing. >> one thing we saw, that moment ends up being a little, right? the make or break moment, does he stay on? there was a court -- a tweet read in court, that when the word gets out he is cooperating, the president of the united states,...
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mcdougall. that particular payment is not at issue here, but it shows a pattern if he was so involved in making the payment to care mcdougal, which was another catching kill story. it's common sense that he would also be a part of the stormy daniel's one. it's that kind of documentary evidence, it's tweets by donald trump. it's what he says in the access hollywood tape, as well as all the witness says, the prosecution has had a very strong case so far. dina, just a final quick thought to you. i mean, there are rumblings that we could see donald trump himself take the stand. is that blanket to happen? and if it does, how could that play out? do you think you're in a case like this, where they this case has been so strong by the prosecution and the defendants own were a tip and introduced several times again with the reading of the access hollywood tape. with the recording, he may with a michael cohen with his own tweets, usually criminal defendants, some tickets down. but in this situation where
mcdougall. that particular payment is not at issue here, but it shows a pattern if he was so involved in making the payment to care mcdougal, which was another catching kill story. it's common sense that he would also be a part of the stormy daniel's one. it's that kind of documentary evidence, it's tweets by donald trump. it's what he says in the access hollywood tape, as well as all the witness says, the prosecution has had a very strong case so far. dina, just a final quick thought to you. i...
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mcdougal so he knew about the hush money scheme, but somewhere along the line, proof when it comes to the relationship, right after the access hollywood tapes days before the election he was just out of it. i don't know that there's an they're store. >> you have to write, i mean, you have to wonder whether the prosecution is even going to attempt to dispute the timeline, the facts of the case or if they're really relying just on the witnesses being unreliable, that may not be enough when even all the unreliable witnesses are singing from the same song, but they're telling the same basic story about who donald trump trump is and what he knew are witnessing absent. you've been talking to and allen weisselberg not there. >> and that may be this kind of x factor in this in the jury can say, well, this is a key person we didn't even hear from them that in and of itself could be enough to add doubt into the equation was struck them on yeah, and they will get some instructions there on hang on for us, but thank you very much for that. good conversation. it is the hottest place to be, apparen
mcdougal so he knew about the hush money scheme, but somewhere along the line, proof when it comes to the relationship, right after the access hollywood tapes days before the election he was just out of it. i don't know that there's an they're store. >> you have to write, i mean, you have to wonder whether the prosecution is even going to attempt to dispute the timeline, the facts of the case or if they're really relying just on the witnesses being unreliable, that may not be enough when...
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mcdougal. he served 13 1/2 months in prison. on cross-examination, defense attorney, todd blanche, casting cohen as a man now hellbent on revenge. “you're actually obsessed with president trump,” he asked. “i can't recall using that word, but i can't say it would be wrong,” cohen replied. cohen acknowledged saying he would take a bullet for his old boss, but he described himself as "knee-deep in the cult of donald trump." blanche then painting a picture of obsession gone wrong, grilling cohen about the barrage of insults he's lobbed at trump on his podcast six days a week, his book called "revenge," and the t-shirts he's sold, "trump behind bars." and asking him bottom line, “you want president trump to be convicted in this case?" "yes," cohen said. "i would like to see that." >> i think it was a very, very good day. >> reporter: trump had little to say about cohen's testimony. he is under a gag order, barred from attacking witnesses. in more than two hours of cross-examination today,
mcdougal. he served 13 1/2 months in prison. on cross-examination, defense attorney, todd blanche, casting cohen as a man now hellbent on revenge. “you're actually obsessed with president trump,” he asked. “i can't recall using that word, but i can't say it would be wrong,” cohen replied. cohen acknowledged saying he would take a bullet for his old boss, but he described himself as "knee-deep in the cult of donald trump." blanche then painting a picture of obsession gone...
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. >> you have the tabloid publisher, david pecker, davidson, representing stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. you have these sort of bottom feeders, these people that you couldn't cast them better in a movie, and here they are testifying in this case. it's magic. >> one of the things we saw, that costello moment into being a pivotal fulcrum, because that is the make or break moment. does he stay on board? they read a tweet in court but when basically the word gets out that he is cooperating, the president of the united states, he says, i feel bad for paul medford and his wonderful family. justice applied tremendous pressure on him, and unlike michael cohen, he refused to "break." making stories to get a "deal. " such perspective from a brave man, like basically, i see you, i see what you're doing from the white house, from the president of the united states. >> that's the day after he takes his first plea, so it's pretty clear what the connection is there. i will say, michael cohen loved donald trump, but the one thing he loved more is his family, so that we do in particular really had to kn
. >> you have the tabloid publisher, david pecker, davidson, representing stormy daniels and karen mcdougal. you have these sort of bottom feeders, these people that you couldn't cast them better in a movie, and here they are testifying in this case. it's magic. >> one of the things we saw, that costello moment into being a pivotal fulcrum, because that is the make or break moment. does he stay on board? they read a tweet in court but when basically the word gets out that he is...
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mcdougal. and the reason it is backed up by a very thick stack of e-mails, tax and corporate signal messages, bank records and one surreptitious audiotape. and i think some jurors may say well if they're not taking that on, maybe i can believe michael cohen on that or they may decide that he is light sometimes and acknowledge like so many times that the fixing is just not believable in anything. >> martha: yeah, but whenever imagination they went through to get this and a deal done come both sides agreed to it and every lawyer know we talked to says that is not a crime. >> no. -- >> martha: unethical operating not illegal, exactly. >> what they're trying to set up -- >> martha: the other crime. >> falsified records and that's why they went through every invoice and every paystub, was a true garden trump know about it in so far. >> martha: and haven't done the furtherance of another crime but will see if we get there. they are done. we're. in terms of the media coverage of this, little difficult
mcdougal. and the reason it is backed up by a very thick stack of e-mails, tax and corporate signal messages, bank records and one surreptitious audiotape. and i think some jurors may say well if they're not taking that on, maybe i can believe michael cohen on that or they may decide that he is light sometimes and acknowledge like so many times that the fixing is just not believable in anything. >> martha: yeah, but whenever imagination they went through to get this and a deal done come...
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didn't hear from karen mcdougal, weisselberg. there are two ways you could call michael cohen. the first narrater who's going to bring it forward. i think the question is who else were they going to call? i don't disagree. they need to supply something to the jury on this elections issue, but he's a good person to wrap it all up almost like a mini closing argument. >> and now we're going to hear what todd blanche has to say. a source with knowledge of the situation is telling nbc news blanche has preparing for this cross for months. what does that look like? what does that preparation look like? >> the preparation is such a huge record. michael cohen is an uncontrollable witness for the d.a.'s office. he's not a typical witness in a typical case the d.a. says to a witness, keep your mouth shut and you'll be heard at trial and don't say anything. this is a witness who like stormy daniels has been on podcasts. he's been writing books. he's been writing blogs. he is out there. he has congressional testimony. there's a huge, rich collection of things they can cross examine him on.
didn't hear from karen mcdougal, weisselberg. there are two ways you could call michael cohen. the first narrater who's going to bring it forward. i think the question is who else were they going to call? i don't disagree. they need to supply something to the jury on this elections issue, but he's a good person to wrap it all up almost like a mini closing argument. >> and now we're going to hear what todd blanche has to say. a source with knowledge of the situation is telling nbc news...
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so, michael cohen is a person who directed or was responsible for getting -- karen mcdougal and the door man, them getting paid for hush money. he worked with stormy daniels' lawyer, michael cohen did, to get her paid. what about donald trump? and his relationship to the false business records. what do we have on that? we have most revealingly, trump's handwritten notes on one of the drafts. we have michael cohen's testimony, that trump directed the payments to be made this way. then, we got common sense. would michael cohen have taken out a mortgage on his home, that donald trump wasn't going to reimburse him? the question is, will that be enough for the jury? >> indeed. and chris hayes has come out of the courtroom -- out of the courthouse. talk to us, chris, about what you're watching. you were in the overflow room? in the courtroom? what were you seeing? >> i was in the courtroom -- i was in the courtroom. i was seated right -- i was in the courtroom, seated right behind this weird phalanx entourage. >> behind the speaker. >> yes. we hind those folks. it was fascinating. i thought co
so, michael cohen is a person who directed or was responsible for getting -- karen mcdougal and the door man, them getting paid for hush money. he worked with stormy daniels' lawyer, michael cohen did, to get her paid. what about donald trump? and his relationship to the false business records. what do we have on that? we have most revealingly, trump's handwritten notes on one of the drafts. we have michael cohen's testimony, that trump directed the payments to be made this way. then, we got...
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mcdougal to false statements to congress. that's what we just talked about with trump tower moscow. and then finally tax fraud and bank fraud relating to his own individual businesses. prosecutors want to put this so in front of the jury before the defense cross happens. of course, defend the defense team is going to argue that this shows michael cohen has a long history of dishonesty and fraud. so wolfe, when we go back into the court, the defense for donald trump will be cross-examining michael cohen and this really this afternoon, will be the moment of truth in this trial. >> you're absolutely right. elie honig. excellent explanation patient. >> thank you very, very much. and caitlin, back to you yeah. >> wolf, certainly, moment of truth is a good way to put i'm sure that's not how the defense will frame, and i'm back here with kristen holmes and paula reid is we're outside the courthouse waiting on michael going to retake that witness stand. i can't even imagine what this lunch break is like for michael cohen or for talks
mcdougal to false statements to congress. that's what we just talked about with trump tower moscow. and then finally tax fraud and bank fraud relating to his own individual businesses. prosecutors want to put this so in front of the jury before the defense cross happens. of course, defend the defense team is going to argue that this shows michael cohen has a long history of dishonesty and fraud. so wolfe, when we go back into the court, the defense for donald trump will be cross-examining...
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to pay off karen mcdougal. cohen says, to ensure mr. trump is protect and the story would never be released. for the purpose of ensuring it didn't affect the presidential campaign. did you work with ami to do that in order to influence the 2016 campaign? sustained. why did you work with ami to pay off karen mcdougal? it was a leading question. cohen said, to ensure the possibility of mr. trump succeeding in the election, this would not be a hindrance. at whose behalf did you work with ami to do that? with dylan howard, pecker. at the direction of donald j. trump. to whose benefit? the benefit of donald j. trump. that's when the jury instruction comes. that's trying to tie together that even though cohen didn't pay the money for ami, that that didn't come from him, that that was all as was what obviously happened with stormy daniels, that was for the benefit of donald trump. have they made that case? do you think they made it strongly enough to overwhelm whatever is going to happen in cross? they get the chance for redirect, as you as a
to pay off karen mcdougal. cohen says, to ensure mr. trump is protect and the story would never be released. for the purpose of ensuring it didn't affect the presidential campaign. did you work with ami to do that in order to influence the 2016 campaign? sustained. why did you work with ami to pay off karen mcdougal? it was a leading question. cohen said, to ensure the possibility of mr. trump succeeding in the election, this would not be a hindrance. at whose behalf did you work with ami to do...
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the first is former playboy model, karen mcdougal. when cohen told trump that mcdougal was selling his story about their alleged affair, trump replied that she was. agreed with him. trump claims that he had for the company told the jury that trump with i've never had sex with a porn star, but cohen insists. trump gave him direct instructions to get daniels to sign. but not disclosure, just do it, according to cohen, he took saying, there is no reason to keep these things in sight, a loan to cover a payment of $130,000, on the very day he transferred the money to daniels 12 days before the election, today the indictment tried to portray cohen as a good family man who became a lawyer to please his grandmother, but the packed courtroom rolled its eyes because that everyone knows the real cohen, the man who would lie to that...grandmother in order to succeed, cohen was disbarred from practicing law, he was in prison for perjury, tax evasion, he lied to the banks, he lied to congress, he lied to his wife. even secretly recorded conversatio
the first is former playboy model, karen mcdougal. when cohen told trump that mcdougal was selling his story about their alleged affair, trump replied that she was. agreed with him. trump claims that he had for the company told the jury that trump with i've never had sex with a porn star, but cohen insists. trump gave him direct instructions to get daniels to sign. but not disclosure, just do it, according to cohen, he took saying, there is no reason to keep these things in sight, a loan to...
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mcdougal payoff. we're seeing the fallout now from all of this. some color from inside the courtroom as well. we haven't gotten a lot of what the former president is doing inside the courtroom, but we are getting a picture now of what the former president is doing along with what michael cohen is doing. yesterday, he seemed very resolute. he seemed very straightforward. we had a couple bench meetings now today. two so far today. and each and every bench meeting we see michael cohen shaking his head. what about, we don't necessarily know. that's more of a reaction than we have seen so far inside the courtroom throughout his testimony going into day two of his testimony, by the way. likely to go and move to cross-examination later on today. donald trump, for his part, is sitting mostly with his eyes closed, to the right of him is todd blanche, the lead attorney on the defense team who will in fact cross-examine michael cohen. to the left of him i believe is bove. every time there is a bench meeting, the
mcdougal payoff. we're seeing the fallout now from all of this. some color from inside the courtroom as well. we haven't gotten a lot of what the former president is doing inside the courtroom, but we are getting a picture now of what the former president is doing along with what michael cohen is doing. yesterday, he seemed very resolute. he seemed very straightforward. we had a couple bench meetings now today. two so far today. and each and every bench meeting we see michael cohen shaking his...
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did you pressure karen mcdougal? cohen, i did. hoffinger, keith davidson, kd, hoffinger, did you know at the time the statement was false? cohen, yes. how did you know? because i helped him craft it. so keith davidson was stormy daniels' attorney at this time. and that's who cohen was primarily communicating with. >> joining our conversation, former assistant u.s. attorney sarah chrisoff. this is once again another building block by the prosecution. preparing for what the defense is going to be attacking. >> that's right. i mean, again, they're just trying to walk cohen through all of these things very carefully to set the stage what they're going to argue at the end of the case, that all of these pieces fit together, that he's committed this crime. and in trying to avoid the inevitable cross examination that is to come in a few moments. >> i'm curious to get your thoughts as well, sarah, on, you know, we don't have a lot of color from the courtroom. but i'm sure as a prosecutor, you're wondering what the jury is doing during this
did you pressure karen mcdougal? cohen, i did. hoffinger, keith davidson, kd, hoffinger, did you know at the time the statement was false? cohen, yes. how did you know? because i helped him craft it. so keith davidson was stormy daniels' attorney at this time. and that's who cohen was primarily communicating with. >> joining our conversation, former assistant u.s. attorney sarah chrisoff. this is once again another building block by the prosecution. preparing for what the defense is going...
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there was a "wall street journal" report that talked about karen mcdougal and stormy daniels was included in that article. and cohen's side suspected that stormy daniels team had leaked the story after they did this whole deal and so that was the accusation that was leveled and they denied it, etc. now we're in january of 2018, folks. here is the note. cohen wanted another denial from stormy daniels because there were still persistent reporters looking into this. cohen confirms he pressured davidson, the guy the middleman for stormy daniels to have stormy sign a statement. he knew the statement was false because i helped him craft it, end quote. cohen says he knows stormy was paid hush money because i'm the one who paid it, end quote. all right. is that illegal? i asked joe concha and richard fowler who join the conversation now. gentlemen, welcome to the program. joe, what is your take on this thus far today? >> well, there seems to be two things happening on a macro level as once, bill and dana. they appear to be connected. as we talked about in the network yesterday, these polls coming
there was a "wall street journal" report that talked about karen mcdougal and stormy daniels was included in that article. and cohen's side suspected that stormy daniels team had leaked the story after they did this whole deal and so that was the accusation that was leveled and they denied it, etc. now we're in january of 2018, folks. here is the note. cohen wanted another denial from stormy daniels because there were still persistent reporters looking into this. cohen confirms he...
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and karen mcdougal and tabloids and all sorts of drama. this is a business records case. the crimes are actually in what's being described it right now, you take just the crimes as you describe alleged crimes, the election, the alleged crimes that you describe in this, but it is in furtherance of defrauding the people because of the election that elevates the us, right? and so all well, that drama that you talk about is the other piece of this case, which is that this was done because he was a candidate for president and was defrauding the public and but also, but also we should know the march check from the revocable trust was signed by donald trump jr. and allen weisselberg. >> cohen says was this in fact a retainer for that month, hoffinger asks us the prosecuting attorney no, ma'am. says cohen was the description in the check stub a false statement. she asks cohen confirms it was jurors earlier saw these records during testimony from jeff mcconney and trump organization employee deborah tarasoff, let me ask a question here, guy lives and this is a theory, if they payi
and karen mcdougal and tabloids and all sorts of drama. this is a business records case. the crimes are actually in what's being described it right now, you take just the crimes as you describe alleged crimes, the election, the alleged crimes that you describe in this, but it is in furtherance of defrauding the people because of the election that elevates the us, right? and so all well, that drama that you talk about is the other piece of this case, which is that this was done because he was a...
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the first was karen mcdougal, a former playboy model. trump denies having an affair with her. cohen, testifying the national enquirer bought her story at trump's direction. the jury hearing the secretly recorded conversation where the two allegedly discussed the deal. >> when it comes time for the financing, which will be what financing we'll have to pay you. >> so cohen, testifying. he then heard stormy daniels was trying to sell her story. another affair trump denies. cohen testified that trump ordered him to make sure daniels story did not get out, saying push it out past the election because if i win, it has no relevance. and if i lose, i don't care. cohen telling the jury trump told him to pay daniels to keep her quiet so cohen says he took out a loan to cover the $130,000 payment, got final approval from trump, then wired daniels the money prosecutors say trump paid cohen back, then falsified business records to cover it up. >> breaking the law got no evidence, and i'm innocent. >> prosecutors have said they could rest their case this week, meaning cohen could be one of
the first was karen mcdougal, a former playboy model. trump denies having an affair with her. cohen, testifying the national enquirer bought her story at trump's direction. the jury hearing the secretly recorded conversation where the two allegedly discussed the deal. >> when it comes time for the financing, which will be what financing we'll have to pay you. >> so cohen, testifying. he then heard stormy daniels was trying to sell her story. another affair trump denies. cohen...
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the first was karen mcdougal, a former playboy model. trump denies having an affair with her. cohen, testifying the national enquirer bought her story at trump's direction. the jury hearing the secretly recorded conversation where the two allegedly discussed the deal. >> when it comes time for the financing, which will be what financing we'll have to pay you so. >> cohen testifying. he then heard stormy daniels was trying to sell her story. another affair trump denies cohen testifying trump ordered him to make sure daniels story did not get out, saying push it out past the election because if i win, it has no relevance. and if i lose, i don't care. cohen telling the jury trump told him to pay daniels to keep her quiet. so cohen says he took out a loan to cover the $130,000 payment, got final approval from trump, then wired daniels the money prosecutors say trump paid cohen back, then falsified business records to cover it up. breaking the law got no evidence, and now ministers. prosecutors have said they could rest their case this week, meaning cohen could be one of the final
the first was karen mcdougal, a former playboy model. trump denies having an affair with her. cohen, testifying the national enquirer bought her story at trump's direction. the jury hearing the secretly recorded conversation where the two allegedly discussed the deal. >> when it comes time for the financing, which will be what financing we'll have to pay you so. >> cohen testifying. he then heard stormy daniels was trying to sell her story. another affair trump denies cohen...
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mcy mcdougal for her writes. they wanted he reassurances that trump would repay $150,000 for the story rights, so secretly tapings his own client, donald trump, is how michael cohen got those assurances. trump is limited about what he can say about the proceedings and about michael cohen's testimony because he remains under a gag order under the threat of possible jail time with future violations but supporters of the former president have been attending the trial and speaking what they think about these proceedings. yesterday we saw republican lawmakers outside of the court and today we expect vivek ramaswamy to attend court along with donald trump. those proceedings kick off at 9:30 this morning. we'll continue to bring you the latest. maria: lydia, thanks very much. lydia hu. this has been incredible to watch. lee carter, your reaction and the reaction of normal ordinary voters has been to support trump. >> you know, it's fascinating to watch. when you look at the mainstream media and their reactions to every
mcy mcdougal for her writes. they wanted he reassurances that trump would repay $150,000 for the story rights, so secretly tapings his own client, donald trump, is how michael cohen got those assurances. trump is limited about what he can say about the proceedings and about michael cohen's testimony because he remains under a gag order under the threat of possible jail time with future violations but supporters of the former president have been attending the trial and speaking what they think...
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mcdougal, a recording cohen made without telling trump. >> and i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing, which will be -- >> listen, what financing? >> we'll have to pay him something. >> no, we'll pay with cash. >> reporter: one major challenge for prosecutors is getting the jury to believe michael cohen. he's a convicted felon who spent time in prison and admitted lying to congress. >> i think the only way they could do that is really by allowing cohen to be himself on the stand and testify and come across as a person who is credible, who may have lied in the past but is telling the truth now. >> reporter: trump and cohen barely looked at each other all day, but there was one moment where cohen was asked to single out the defendant, and he did just that. cohen will be back in the courtroom tomorrow. norah. >> robert costa, thank you so much. >>> now, breaking news from the scene of that deadly bridge collapse in baltimore. in a risky operation, engineers just hours ago set off controlled explosions in the wreckage of the francis scott key bridge to
mcdougal, a recording cohen made without telling trump. >> and i spoke to allen about it. when it comes time for the financing, which will be -- >> listen, what financing? >> we'll have to pay him something. >> no, we'll pay with cash. >> reporter: one major challenge for prosecutors is getting the jury to believe michael cohen. he's a convicted felon who spent time in prison and admitted lying to congress. >> i think the only way they could do that is really...