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Curated research library of TV news clips regarding the NSA, its oversight and privacy issues, 2009-2014

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Primary curation & research: Robin Chin, Internet Archive TV News Researcher; using Internet Archive TV News service.

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James Cole
Deputy Attorney General
CSPAN 07/17/2013
Chaffetz and Cole Part 1: Cole: there are things in between. This may be one of those. It is certainly not content. It probably tends more towards metadata. This is an evolving area of the law. Chaffetz: how is it evolving? We haven’t. This is what scares me about what you are doing and how you are doing it. If you knew exactly where I was standing, you are telling me that that’s not content? Cole: that’s not the content of your conversation, no. And
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Jason Chaffetz
U.S. Representative, R-Utah
CSPAN 07/17/2013
Chaffetz and Cole (Inglis) Part 2:Cole: You are standing out in public any number of other people may see you there. Chaffetz: So but If you are standing out in public any number of other people may see you there. Chaffetz: if I were standing on private property -- Cole: this is part of what Jones talks about, the trespass issue. Chaffetz: they ruled 5-0 it was an overstep and an overreach. So Are you collecting that data? Cole: we are not collecting that data. Chaffetz: let me ask the NSA. Is the NSA collecting this data? Inglis: We are not collecting that data under this program. We believe that the authority
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Jason Chaffetz
U.S. Representative, R-Utah
CSPAN 07/17/2013
Chaffetz and Cole (and Inglis) Part 3: Inglis continued: could be granted by the courts to collect that attribute. We have not done that. And as Mr. Cole indicated earlier, the director of NSA has given an affirmation to the Congress that before such time we were to reconsider that decision, we would come back to the Congress.
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Jason Chaffetz
U.S. Representative, R-Utah
CSPAN 07/17/2013
Chaffetz and Cole Part 6: Chaffetz: by thousands of camera readers and stored about a specific location. Does that fall within this category? Cole: in which category? Chaffetz: license plate readers. Cole: The whole issue comes down to the expectation of privacy. This is what the court bases its ruling on. Chaffetz: Do you believe that I have a reasonable expectation of privacy
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Jason Chaffetz
U.S. Representative, R-Utah
CSPAN 07/17/2013
Chaffetz and Cole Part 7: Chaffetz: on private property. Cole: In general, I think the courts are saying that there’s a trespass theory that gives you a reasonable expectation of privacy depending on who’s property it is, whether it’s your own or somebody else's, how many other people are there. These are all of the types of issues that would go into that. Chaffetz: My time has expired, Mr. Chairman, this is something we have much more thoroughly understand. There is guidance out
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Jason Chaffetz
U.S. Representative, R-Utah
CSPAN 07/17/2013
Chaffetz and Cole Part 4: Chaffetz: What other bits of information fall in this gap between metadata and content? What is this third category that you’re talking about? What’s the right word for it? Cole: I’m not sure it’s just a third category, Mr. Chaffetz . I think there’s metadata that was described by the court in Smith vs. Maryland. Which is the telephone records we were talking about and were covered by the 215 program that we’ve been discussing today. There’s content, which is the
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Jason Chaffetz
U.S. Representative, R-Utah
CSPAN 07/17/2013
Chaffetz and Cole Part 5: Cole: actual, the conversations themselves, that people have, and there are any number of things that may fall in between those and it is not just a third category it’s probably a continuum. Chaffetz: What else would be in that continuum? Cole: Sorry? Chaffetz: What else would be in that continuum? Cole: it's hard for me to just hypothesize about all the many different things that could be out there and fall in the continuum. Chaffetz: There’s a report out there today about license plates and that information that’s being collected
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Patrick Leahy
U.S. Senator (D- Vermont), Judiciary Committee Chairman
CSPAN 07/31/2013
Leahy continued 2: all those things available? Cole: I think there’s two important points here. Number one is that the only way the court finds these relevant is in the context of the restrictions and in features the context of what it is you’re looking for. So you have to take all of those features of this phone record process into account of, how can it be done? How reasonably can it be done, what is the need for speed?
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Patrick Leahy
U.S. Senator (D- Vermont), Judiciary Committee Chairman
CSPAN 07/31/2013
Cole continued: What is the need to integrate all the different records that are coming together? And finds only when you look at that entire mix, that this kind of program with these restrictions. To your question, you would have to make that same showing for those other kinds of records as to the need for that breadth and the need for those restrictions. Leahy: if our phone records are relevant, why wouldn’t our credit card records? Wouldn't you like to know if somebody’s buying fertilizer used in bombs?
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Patrick Leahy
U.S. Senator (D- Vermont), Judiciary Committee Chairman
CSPAN 07/31/2013
Cole: I may not need to collect everybody’s credit card records in order to do that. Because again, we’re not collecting all their phone records so that we can wander through them and it’s only the phone records being done to look at the connections. If somebody’s buying things that could be used to make bombs, of course we would like to know that but we may not need to do it in this fashion. Leahy: Dr. Clapper said it would
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