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Curated research library of TV news clips regarding the NSA, its oversight and privacy issues, 2009-2014

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Primary curation & research: Robin Chin, Internet Archive TV News Researcher; using Internet Archive TV News service.

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Edward Snowden
whistleblower
KNTV 05/28/2014
Snowden: You might say, does anybody really care that I'm looking up the score for the Rangers game? Well, a government or a hacker or some other nefarious individual would say yes. They're very interested in that because that tells a lot about you. First off, it tells you probably speak English. It says you're probably an American. You're interested in this sport. They might know what your habits are. Where were you in the world when you checked the score? Do you check it when you travel? Do you check it when you're at home?
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Edward Snowden
whistleblower
KNTV 05/28/2014
Snowden: They'd be able to tell something called your pattern of life. When are you doing these kind of activities? When do you wake up? When do you go to sleep? What other phones are around you when you wake up and go to sleep? Are you with someone who's not your wife? Are you doing something, are you someplace you shouldn't be according to government, which is arbitrary, you know? Are you engaged in any kind of activities that we disapprove of, even if they aren't technically illegal? And all of these things can raise your level of scrutiny. Even if it seems entirely innocent to you, even if you have nothing to hide, even if you're doing nothing wrong. These activities can be misconstrued, misinterpreted and used to harm you as an individual. Even without the government having any intent to do you wrong. The problem is that the capabilities, themselves, are unregulated, uncontrolled, and dangerous. Williams: All because I googled Rangers/Canadiens/final score.
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Edward Snowden
whistleblower
KNTV 05/28/2014
Snowden: When I think about an instance that really just struck me as, oh, my god, we can do this. And we can do it to anyone was that people at NSA, analysts, can actually watch people's internet communications. Watch them draft correspondence and actually watch their thoughts form as they type. As you write a message, you know, an analyst at the NSA or any other service out there that's using this kind of attack against people can actually see you write sentences and backspace over your mistakes then change the words and then kind of pause and think about what you wanted to say and then change it. It's this extraordinary intrusion not just into your communications, your finished messages but your actual drafting process, into the way you think.
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Edward Snowden
whistleblower
KNTV 05/28/2014
Snowden: You know, I don't think anybody who's been in the intelligence community for almost a decade as I have been, is really shocked by the specific types of general operations when they are justified. What's more shocking for anybody is not the dirtiness of the business. It's the dirtiness of the targeting. It's the dirtiness of the way these things are being used. It's the lack of respect for the public because -- the lack of respect for the intrusiveness of surveillance.
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Edward Snowden
whistleblower
KNTV 05/28/2014
Snowden: I actually did go through channels. And that is documented. The NSA has records. They have copies of e-mails right now to their office of general counsel, to their oversight and compliance folks from me raising concerns about the NSA's interpretations of its legal authorities. Now, I have raised these complaints not just officially, in writing through e-mail to these offices and individuals, but to my supervisors, to my colleagues. in more than one office. I did it in Ft. Meade. I did it in Hawaii.
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Edward Snowden
whistleblower
KNTV 05/28/2014
Snowden: I did it in Ft. Meade. I did it in Hawaii. And many, many of these individuals were shocked by these programs. They had never seen them themselves. And the ones who had went, you know, you're right. These are things that are really concerning. These aren't things we should be doing. Maybe we're going too far here, but if you say something about this, they're going to destroy you. Do you know what happens to people who stand up and talk about this?
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Edward Snowden
whistleblower
KNTV 05/28/2014
Snowden: So I reported that there were real problems with the way the NSA was interpreting its legal authorities. And the response more or less in bureaucratic language was you should stop asking questions. And these are recent records. This isn't ancient history. I would say one of my final official acts in government was continuing one of these communications with a legal office. And, in fact, I'm so sure that these communications exist that I've called on congress to write a letter to the NSA to verify that they do. Write to their office of general counsel and say, did Mr. Snowden ever communicate any concerns about the NSA's interpretation of its legal authorities?
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Edward Snowden
whistleblower
KNTV 05/28/2014
Williams: What is the closest you've come to estimating the number of documents? Snowden: I will say the 1.7 million documents, figure that the intelligence community has been bandying about, the director of NSA himself Keith Alexander said just a week ago in the Australian Financial Times, or Australian Financial Review, I believe, that they have no idea what documents were taken at all. Their auditing was so poor, so negligent that any private contractor, not even an employee of the government could walk into the NSA building, take whatever they wanted, and walk out with it and they would never know. Now, I think that's a problem. And I think that's something that needs to be resolved. People need to be held to account for. Has it happened before? Could it happen again?
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Edward Snowden
whistleblower
KNTV 05/28/2014
Snowden: I didn't want to take information that would basically be taken and thrown out in the press that would cause harm to individuals, that would cause people to die, that would put lives at risk. So a good gauge of what information was provided to the journalists is a representation of what you see in the press. Now, the NSA and the defense intelligence agency and some of these other organizations have claimed that lives are at risk, that all this military information was out there, that, you know, I took all this information about missiles and warheads and tanks, but we don't see any of that in the newspaper. (we haven't seen any stories on that)
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Edward Snowden
whistleblower
KNTV 05/28/2014
Williams: In his recently published book "No Place to Hide" Greenwald describes that moment he first met Snowden in Hong Kong. What did you make of him? Greenwald: The initial impression was one of extreme confusion. Because I was expecting to meet somebody in his 60s or 70s, someone very senior in the agency because I knew almost nothing about him prior to our arrival in Hong Kong. Snowden: It was a really intimidating moment. You know, it was the most real point of no return because the minute you start talking to a journalist as an intelligence officer, on camera, there's really no going back from that. That's where it all comes together.
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