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cohen ultimately paying for it. judge juan merchan also announcing he'd hold a hearing next wednesday where he's going to make a decision about whether trump violated his gag order. that supposed to be an off day for the trial after court wrapped up yesterday, trump seemed to walk back his vow to testify in his hush money trial well, if it's necessary right now, i don't know if you heard about today. >> today, was just incredible. people are saying the experts, i'm talking about legal scholars and experts this saying what kind of a cases is there is no case joining me now to break all this down, cnn legal analyst, joey jackson, joe good morning. >> i always wonderful to have you with us. thanks for kicking us off today. >> let's start with the oral arguments that we saw before the supreme court yesterday. >> what stood out to you? >> yeah. casey, good morning to you. what stands out to me is whether there's gonna be this delineation between the president's private conduct and between of course, what can be deemed is
cohen ultimately paying for it. judge juan merchan also announcing he'd hold a hearing next wednesday where he's going to make a decision about whether trump violated his gag order. that supposed to be an off day for the trial after court wrapped up yesterday, trump seemed to walk back his vow to testify in his hush money trial well, if it's necessary right now, i don't know if you heard about today. >> today, was just incredible. people are saying the experts, i'm talking about legal...
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pecker claims he had a deal with trump and his attorney michael cohen to be on the lookout for damaging stories about trump. >> he would buy stories that were unflattering to trump and then he would kill them to make sure they didn't become public. >> was today a bad day for donald trump? >> he -- look, i can't read his mind, but he looks pretty miserable. [laughter] >> jordan: really? he looked miserable? he's not one of those jovial criminal defendants? coming to court with a smile on his face and a spring in his step as he stares down a future full of prison gangs, public pooping and shoddy heroin balloons migrating up his colon? >> ronny: he brought up that he buried negative stories about donald trump to help and win the 2016 election. it sounds crazy but you've got to remember this was way back in 2016 when negative stories were a bad thing. now we know that every new scandal just cancels out a different scandal until you become president. but because this is donald trump, he wasn't involved in just one court case today. while he was in new york, his lawyers were in front of the s
pecker claims he had a deal with trump and his attorney michael cohen to be on the lookout for damaging stories about trump. >> he would buy stories that were unflattering to trump and then he would kill them to make sure they didn't become public. >> was today a bad day for donald trump? >> he -- look, i can't read his mind, but he looks pretty miserable. [laughter] >> jordan: really? he looked miserable? he's not one of those jovial criminal defendants? coming to court...
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he told trump's fixer michael cohen that daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, i am not going to get involved with a star. i am not a bank. cohen ended up paying $130,000 to daniels himself, but falsely labeling it as legal expenses. trump has pleaded not guilty to all charges. zohreen shah, abc news, los angeles. >> and to another high profile case, harvey weinstein's sexual assault conviction has been overturned in new york. his case garnered such public attention that it sparked the entire metoo movement. the state's appeals court threw out that 2020 conviction, citing the judge made egregious errors. it claims testimony of uncharged, alleged prior sexual acts on other people was unnecessary to establish his intent. today's decision makes way for a new trial, but weinstein will remain in prison for a 2022 rape conviction. in an la case, a win for internet accessibility in the nation. >> net neutrality was restored by the fcc today. this means internet providers must treat all online traffic
he told trump's fixer michael cohen that daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, i am not going to get involved with a star. i am not a bank. cohen ended up paying $130,000 to daniels himself, but falsely labeling it as legal expenses. trump has pleaded not guilty to all charges. zohreen shah, abc news, los angeles. >> and to another high profile case, harvey weinstein's sexual assault conviction has been overturned in new york....
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cohen made of his client, donald trump. it's really going to help the defense on that. and what we've heard, we've played it here many, many times, but in essence, trump is sort of clueless. he goes, he knows they're paying, he's very much on board with paying to silence. it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue. and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much. and i but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with playable arguably, but at some point the notion so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal campaign donation and i was involved in this scheme two it's sort of to pay off michael cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. no
cohen made of his client, donald trump. it's really going to help the defense on that. and what we've heard, we've played it here many, many times, but in essence, trump is sort of clueless. he goes, he knows they're paying, he's very much on board with paying to silence. it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what...
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he says he called up trump attorney michael cohen. michael cohen told him don't worry about it. even though it's this time of night, we don't have yet the official transcript from court today, still. but we do have a bunch of reporters in the courtroom and in the overflow room and able to take detailed notes, which is what i'm about to read from now. joshua steinglass, the prosecutor, quotes, did you receive a letter from the federal election commission? >> david pecker, yes. steinglass, did you speak to michael cohen? >> pecker, i said michael i just received this letter what do we do it, and michael cohen said jeff sessions has him in his pocket. i said i am very worried. for the record attorneys general aren't supposed to fit in the president's pocket even if the president wears notoriously wide leg pants. this bill david pecker testified today trump asked about, one of the people whose silence they had paid for, he said trump asked him in 2017 before he was nugerated, quote, how's our girl doing, meaning how's karen mcdougal? david pecker said he told trump in response thing
he says he called up trump attorney michael cohen. michael cohen told him don't worry about it. even though it's this time of night, we don't have yet the official transcript from court today, still. but we do have a bunch of reporters in the courtroom and in the overflow room and able to take detailed notes, which is what i'm about to read from now. joshua steinglass, the prosecutor, quotes, did you receive a letter from the federal election commission? >> david pecker, yes. steinglass,...
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michael cohen i think they scored a point when they establish he is always playing an angle for himself. they got that out of the das witness. the last was i think there was a contradiction and an important part of packer's testimony where he says now that when they first started discussing the plan, and at first he didn't say that, not saying he has ruined it but i think he did a good job on direct that would be happy is the prosecutor, but now sit back because he is taking on some damage. >> from my time as a prosecutor but agree. i would be happy if this was my witness. i think what stands out is it is quite easy if they know someone else but today, pecker pointed the finger at himself. he admitted he was part of a criminal conspiracy and he talked about election crimes and his own concern and what they did violated that. >> he raised concerns and said he sought legal counsel on that at the time. >> i think that is incredibly damaging. one of the competing narratives is are we talking about a personal matter and hush money and what people do to connect stories, we talking about campa
michael cohen i think they scored a point when they establish he is always playing an angle for himself. they got that out of the das witness. the last was i think there was a contradiction and an important part of packer's testimony where he says now that when they first started discussing the plan, and at first he didn't say that, not saying he has ruined it but i think he did a good job on direct that would be happy is the prosecutor, but now sit back because he is taking on some damage....
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the defense, not as bad as michael cohen, he is someone who is not adversarial but could help not just the prosecution, but -- >> and that is why trump felt optimistic. >> right. >> there was one thing david said that was significant and one stood out when we was sitting outside listening when we were watching the school across the screen, he testifies that at first trump's focus on negative stories which we pointed out, had been about his wife, his daughter, how he was be perceived in his family. but then he said after the campaign started it shifted and it was what the impact would be on the election. and black and white the motive right there. how significant is that one lying. >> i think it is very significant because people thought that this case was going to rest on the credibility of michael cohen and stormy daniels lab their own issues. really what david perker provided was this overall context that this was about the campaign. this was all about helping the campaign and he said over and over again during his testimony they knew that would be a campaign, a federal election viol
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"if anyone should buy it, it should be donald trump and michael cohen." david pecker said that michael cohen was upset and responded that "the boss would be furious ." david pecker said today he believed trump or his company pay daniels until michael cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove that mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. david pecker testified that trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money? >> yes. >> david pecker said trump called him and said, we have an agreement with stormy daniels, that she can't mention my name. trump denied knowledge of the arrangement, the cross- examination, trump's lawyers challenged david credibility in business practices. at a campaign event, trump addressed the testimony of his longtime friend. >> david is a nice guy. >> what do we know about the payment to stormy daniels? >> reporter: david pecker testified about a payment his company did make to former playboy model, karen mcdougal,
"if anyone should buy it, it should be donald trump and michael cohen." david pecker said that michael cohen was upset and responded that "the boss would be furious ." david pecker said today he believed trump or his company pay daniels until michael cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove that mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. david pecker testified that trump was aghast when...
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he told trump's fixer michael cohen that daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, i am not going to get involved with a star. i am not a bank. cohen ended up paying $130,000 to daniels himself, but falsely labeling it as legal expenses. trump has pleaded not guilty to all charges. zohreen shah, abc news, los angeles. >> and to another high profile case, harvey weinstein's sexual assault conviction has been overturned in new york. his case garnered such public attention that it sparked the entire metoo movement. the state's appeals court threw out that 2020 conviction, citing the judge made egregious errors. it claims testimony of uncharged, alleged prior sexual acts on other people was unnecessary to establish his intent. today's decision makes way for a new trial, but weinstein will remain in prison for a 2022 rape conviction. in an la case, a win for internet accessibility in the nation. >> net neutrality was restored by the fcc today. this means internet providers must treat all online traffic
he told trump's fixer michael cohen that daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, i am not going to get involved with a star. i am not a bank. cohen ended up paying $130,000 to daniels himself, but falsely labeling it as legal expenses. trump has pleaded not guilty to all charges. zohreen shah, abc news, los angeles. >> and to another high profile case, harvey weinstein's sexual assault conviction has been overturned in new york....
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cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably that is the defense, that is their best defense. >> but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was in part involved in this part of it if he was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash, that does point to a level of interest in sort of the nitty-gritty of the details. on how to the defense poke holes are trying to poke holes in pecker's recollection of one of the ways the recollection well, they've two different ways they try to poke holes in the prosecution here. one was to talk about maybe david pecker is memory, the other. and you talked about this earlier. was this suggests this is all standard operating procedure. this whole scheme of buying stuff is just what the enquirer did and there's an exchange to that effect and meal beauvais, the defense attorney says this relationship that you had with president trump, this mutually beneficial relationship, you had similar relatio
cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably that is the defense, that is their best defense. >> but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was in part involved in this part of it if he was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash, that does point to a level of interest in sort of the nitty-gritty of the details. on how to the defense...
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michael cohen. i thought i think they scored a nice point when they established michael cohen is always playing an angle for himself. >> they got that out of the state's witness, out of the da's witness. >> and the last thing i think was there's a contradiction in an important part of pecker's testimony one where he says now that hope hicks was at this crucial meeting where they first started discussing this plan. but it turns out he didn't say that the first time he was asked by investigators now, not saying he is ruined as a witness, but this is the back-and-forth. i think he did a good job on direct. i'd be happy with it if i was the prosecutor, but now sit back because now he's taking taking on some damage yes. >> speaking from my time as a prosecutor, i agree. i think i would be happy if this were my witness. i think what stands out as something we talked about the other night actually, is that it's quite easy to point the finger at someone else, but i think what happened today is that pecker p
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did you speak to michael cohen? never. when i received criminal record, i called michael cohen. i said, i received this letter, what do we do? michael cullen said, jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. i said, i'm very worried." attorneys general are not supposed to fit in the presidents pocket even if the president wears notoriously wide pants. still, david pecker testified that trump asked about one of the people whose silence they paid for and he said trump asked in january, 2017, before inauguration, "how's our girl doing?" meaning, how is karen mcdougal. he said that things were fine, she was then quiet. they asked about her again that summer, when he invited david pecker to the white house. he says trump asked, "how is karen doing?" david pecker said he said "i said she's quiet, everything's going good." david pecker said he finally had to put his foot down on any additional payments for trump, because trump was not paying him back like he said he would, first for a doorman, from a trump property who made a wild claim about a supposi
did you speak to michael cohen? never. when i received criminal record, i called michael cohen. i said, i received this letter, what do we do? michael cullen said, jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. i said, i'm very worried." attorneys general are not supposed to fit in the presidents pocket even if the president wears notoriously wide pants. still, david pecker testified that trump asked about one of the people whose silence they paid for and he...
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i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial. he's the one who negotiated the ndas with mcdougal and with stormy and the timeline is professor kim knows is crucial in any prosecution in august of 2016, keith david rohde will say this is public, that he had a meeting with dylan howard who unfortunately is not a key witness, has been brought up quite a lot. two, abbey, he discussed with karen mcdougal, haven't are on the cover of magazines, writing articles about intellectual topics the luncheon was a joke. it was to kill the case what happened was on our set october 7 access hollywood. after that tape came out, michael coh
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michael cohen can talk on his podcast and the former president cannot say anything. what do you make of the gag order? >> i think it's unconstitutional unilateral. michael cohen is a witness in this case and if the idea is we don't want to take the jury pole, you don't want to intimidate witnesses, why wasn't the gag order imposed on all of the witnesses? trump is the one who's on trial. he should have a right to defend himself is the point. let me say this, this case should have been stayed pending trump's appeal of that gag order. the first amendment is a pivotal constitutional right that he's been deprived of. i've never seen a gag order like this. >> the supreme court heard the immunity case for the former president. the headline here from the wall street journal, the supreme court focuses on the presidency not trump. he goes on to say oral arguments aren't always a signal of ruling but it sounds as if a majority is... that are part of his official duties. the key then is distinguishing between official and private actions and the justices may send the case back
michael cohen can talk on his podcast and the former president cannot say anything. what do you make of the gag order? >> i think it's unconstitutional unilateral. michael cohen is a witness in this case and if the idea is we don't want to take the jury pole, you don't want to intimidate witnesses, why wasn't the gag order imposed on all of the witnesses? trump is the one who's on trial. he should have a right to defend himself is the point. let me say this, this case should have been...
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if anyone should buy it, pecker said, it should be donald trump and michael cohen , trump's former fixer. pecker said when he told cohen, quote, he was upset and said that the boss, a recording to trump, would be furious with me. pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on 60 minutes. >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker said trump called him. he said we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention my name. trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging credibility and business practice. at a campaign event earlier in the day mr. trump addressed the testimony of his longtime friend. >> david has been a nice guy. >> did you know about the payment to stormy daniels before the 2020 election? >> reporter: pecker also test
if anyone should buy it, pecker said, it should be donald trump and michael cohen , trump's former fixer. pecker said when he told cohen, quote, he was upset and said that the boss, a recording to trump, would be furious with me. pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also...
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michael cohen, legal fees. that's exactly what michael cohen said to them. it doesn't make a difference for tax purposes because the confidential sediment, remember this is pretty 2018. so the confidential settlement is just as deductible as legal fees are. so it doesn't have any tax benefit whatsoever. these are not public records. these are not books that are going to be but. in to, any fec filings. so it's not covering up any election law issues one of the frame to jump in there for one second, please. in court, because he's accused of something. >> yes, sir. just to jump in here, the point of the karen mcdougal store for you is not to say any of its criminal, but it's actually to establish the purpose of the whole scheme in general that trump cared more before the election, then he did after the election that david pecker knew that doing this at that particular time would be considered a campaign finance violations. so there are some elements of this the whole mo there's some elements of this that they are trying to establish for the purpose of the jury.
michael cohen, legal fees. that's exactly what michael cohen said to them. it doesn't make a difference for tax purposes because the confidential sediment, remember this is pretty 2018. so the confidential settlement is just as deductible as legal fees are. so it doesn't have any tax benefit whatsoever. these are not public records. these are not books that are going to be but. in to, any fec filings. so it's not covering up any election law issues one of the frame to jump in there for one...
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cohen, allegedly. now, he said that when a former playboy model, karen mcdougal, was shopping her story about an alleged affair with donald trump, that michael cohen directed him to pay her $150,000 to suppress her story. he said the boss — meaning donald trump — would take care of the payment. but then, david pecker said his counsel advised him against being reimbursed, and he said that they thought it was a campaign finance violation, that payment. so, david pecker, when it came to being told about stormy daniels and her story, he said that he refused to pay her $130,000 to buy her story, instead telling michael cohen that "the boss would probably want him" — cohen, "to buy it to suppress the story". but then, we heard from the defence and in their questioning, they really sought to get pecker to really characterise the catch and kill scheme, as prosecutors have put it as standard operating procedure for a tabloid and not a criminal conspiracy that violated electoral laws. the defence asked him
cohen, allegedly. now, he said that when a former playboy model, karen mcdougal, was shopping her story about an alleged affair with donald trump, that michael cohen directed him to pay her $150,000 to suppress her story. he said the boss — meaning donald trump — would take care of the payment. but then, david pecker said his counsel advised him against being reimbursed, and he said that they thought it was a campaign finance violation, that payment. so, david pecker, when it came to being...
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and we heard an earful about the campaign, mostly through michael cohen constantly worrying about what the bosses thinking. when the transcript came, there are more than a dozen mentions of the boss. typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had more important things to worry about, having the jury hear the boss again and again and again, a dozen times, doesn't help his case. there was a fascinating moment when the jury saw after trump was elected, trump in the white house with david pecker , at trump's invitation. his dinner, trump put it. and this was the conversation that they had. >> this photograph was entered into evidence today. >> yes. the jury was looking at this photograph when david pecker was narrating, and i have the transept in front of me. did the subject of karen mcdougal, but all? at the time of the dinner, mr. trump as
and we heard an earful about the campaign, mostly through michael cohen constantly worrying about what the bosses thinking. when the transcript came, there are more than a dozen mentions of the boss. typically the boss will be very angry if you let karen mcdougal speak. the boss will be very angry if you release her from the nondisclosure deal. or this will please the boss. as to the general tenor of the things. and if trump's defense is that essentially he didn't know what was going on, he had...
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cohen was done because they didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or hurt the campaign. pecker said he asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded the boss, meaning trump, will take care of it. meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer rudy giuliani and chief of staff mark meadows were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump as the 2020 winner. >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump himself was named as an unindicted coconspirator. pecker also made a stunning new allegation that has never been heard before, that he engaged with hope hicks and sarah huckabee sanders, then white house staffers, along with trump, about karen mcdougal's contract, raising new questions about the trump administration's implication in this case. norah? >> norah: robert costa, thank you. tonight, a stunning blow to the case that sparked the #metoo movement. disgraced movie mogul harvey weinstein had his felony sex crime convictions overturned today by new york's highest court. cbs's
cohen was done because they didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or hurt the campaign. pecker said he asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded the boss, meaning trump, will take care of it. meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer rudy giuliani and chief of staff mark meadows were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump as the 2020 winner. >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump himself...
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if anyone should buy it, pecker said, it should be donald trump and michael cohen, trump's former fixer. pecker says when he told cohen, quote, he was upset and responded that the boss -- that's referring to trump -- would be furious with me. pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment. pecker also testified trump was aghast when he saw stormy daniels on "60 minutes." >> was it hush money to stay silent? >> yes. >> reporter: pecker says trump called him. he said, "we have an agreement with stormy daniels that she cannot mention any name." trump later denied knowledge of the arrangement. on cross-examination, mr. trump's lawyers challenging pecker's credibility and business practices. at a campaign event earlier in the day, mr. trump addressed the testimony of his long-time friend. >> david's been very nice. a nice guy. >> reporter: did you give the payment to stormy daniels before the
if anyone should buy it, pecker said, it should be donald trump and michael cohen, trump's former fixer. pecker says when he told cohen, quote, he was upset and responded that the boss -- that's referring to trump -- would be furious with me. pecker said today he believed mr. trump or his company had paid daniels until cohen told him in december of 2016 that he was the one who paid her. prosecutors are seeking to prove mr. trump doctored internal business records to cover up that payment....
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then when he detailed the hearing about stormy daniels selling her story, he says he urged michael cohen to make the payment himself. he was just unwilling to make the payment in that case, he said, and that is kind of where we saw this go, caitriona. david packer for the prosecution outlining the scheme and the cover-up, sing donald trump spoke to him many times afterward, asking about why the women for example had given interviews when there was an agreement with them not to. then the defense was able to start questioning of david packer. he testified this checkbook journalism, paying to suppress stories, was standard operating procedure and he had done it with several celebrities including tiger woods and arnold schwarzenegger. caitriona: thank you. gary, this a big moment for donald trump at the supreme court, also u.s. presidency potentially protected into the future. talk to us about how the day unfolded. gary: around three hours or so of arguments before the justices, quite a long session. the essential question, does a president, does donald trump have immunity from criminal pros
then when he detailed the hearing about stormy daniels selling her story, he says he urged michael cohen to make the payment himself. he was just unwilling to make the payment in that case, he said, and that is kind of where we saw this go, caitriona. david packer for the prosecution outlining the scheme and the cover-up, sing donald trump spoke to him many times afterward, asking about why the women for example had given interviews when there was an agreement with them not to. then the defense...
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he told michael cohen, don't reimburse me. it is a bad idea. the deal is off. then we use the prosecution to bridge to the stormy daniels payment and tried to explain why, as they alledge, michael cohen made the payment to stormy daniels at donald trump's direction. that was one piece of it. but back to this issue of intent. you just have david packer placing donald trump's concerns about the election at the forefront of all of their conversations. even says after-the-fact that a dinner at the white house thinking, that donald trump asked david packer how is karen? when both time stormy daniels did an interview with cnn, donald trump complained that they were breaking their agreement. and at one point, dave said donald trump said story -- stormy daniels owed him $24 million for every time he mentioned his name which was against their agreement. christian: thank you very much for that. that sets us up nicely. let's bring in the former u.s. federal prosecutor, sarah kristof. good to have you on the program. gary has laid out quite clearly the case before the supr
he told michael cohen, don't reimburse me. it is a bad idea. the deal is off. then we use the prosecution to bridge to the stormy daniels payment and tried to explain why, as they alledge, michael cohen made the payment to stormy daniels at donald trump's direction. that was one piece of it. but back to this issue of intent. you just have david packer placing donald trump's concerns about the election at the forefront of all of their conversations. even says after-the-fact that a dinner at the...
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he says he called up trump attorney michael coming. michael cohen told him don't worry about it. now, even though it is this time of night, we do not yet have the official transcript from court today, still. but, we do have a bunch of reporters who were in the courtroom and were who were in the overflow room and able to take detailed notes, which is what i am about to read from. the prosecutor, "did you receive a letter from the federal election commission? david pecker, yes. when i received criminal record, i called up michael coming. said michael, i just received this letter, what do you do about it? michael cohen said jeff sessions is the attorney general and donald trump has him in his pocket. i said i am very worried. for the record, attorneys general aren't supposed to fit in the presidents pocket, even if a president with notoriously wide leg pants. still, david pecker testified today trump asked about one of the people whose assignments they had paid for . he said trump asked him in january 2017 before he was inaugurated, "how is our girl doing?" meaning how is karen mcdo
he says he called up trump attorney michael coming. michael cohen told him don't worry about it. now, even though it is this time of night, we do not yet have the official transcript from court today, still. but, we do have a bunch of reporters who were in the courtroom and were who were in the overflow room and able to take detailed notes, which is what i am about to read from. the prosecutor, "did you receive a letter from the federal election commission? david pecker, yes. when i...
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he said he paid $150,000 to her because michael cohen said "the boss will take care of it". but he said when he went to get reimbursement, his legal adviser really urged him against it. and then parts, as prosecutors allege, of this cover up, saying that donald trump spoke to him many times afterward, asking about why the women, for example, had given interviews when there was an agreement with them not to. and then the defence was able to just start their questioning of david pecker. and he testified that this kind of chequebookjournalism, paying to suppress stories, was standard operating procedure and that he had done it with several celebrities, including tiger woods and arnold schwarzenegger. nada tawfik reporting there. the prime minister of haiti, ariel henry, has resigned at a transitional council has started running the country. the body is tasked with organising elections and restoring order to haiti, suffering from deadly gang violence. he agreed to step down after armed groups refused to let him return from a trip abroad. in other news, experts are warning sexual
he said he paid $150,000 to her because michael cohen said "the boss will take care of it". but he said when he went to get reimbursement, his legal adviser really urged him against it. and then parts, as prosecutors allege, of this cover up, saying that donald trump spoke to him many times afterward, asking about why the women, for example, had given interviews when there was an agreement with them not to. and then the defence was able to just start their questioning of david pecker....
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cohen is and what a loose cannon michael cohen can be and i have had plenty of contact with michael cohen over the years. i think that i understand and empathize with all the reasons he is in a difficult, stressful position right now to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team. finally announced, i'm going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast and talking about their because he was just sort of spouting vulgarities all the time about trump he had started a fundraising campaign. these were all things that made prosecutors nervous about positioning him as a meaningful witness in this case. >> so as we obviously weight that testimony, there was a ruling today that i know you think could matter for trump, and this was the new york state top court overruling the harvey weinstein convictions. state of new york. i mean, it was a bombshell. just went hit this morning. people saying, wow. all right. now you want to pull it serve for your work you exposed so many of the
cohen is and what a loose cannon michael cohen can be and i have had plenty of contact with michael cohen over the years. i think that i understand and empathize with all the reasons he is in a difficult, stressful position right now to his credit, he did at a certain point this week after a lot of tense conversations between prosecutors and his legal team. finally announced, i'm going to stop going on tv and talking about this. i'm going to stop going on my podcast and talking about their...
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that transaction is then put back on michael cohen and trump because pecker doesn't want to front any more money. what i found extraordinary today, many extraordinary moments, but one of them and i think this was brilliant by the prosecution, really showing how the deal was structured with karen mcdougal, david pecker knew this was a campaign finance violation. the waythy structured that contract for the fitness columns which had an assigned reporter to ghost write them and she was unhappy with her fitness column, the first one. she didn't like it because the ghost writer had mentioned the benefits of vitamin d in the column. she said i want a new ghost writer which david pecker spoke on the stand today. it really kind of drove home for me, joy, that the way they structured that agreement, they were aware of the finance. >> they wanted to be paid back because they didn't want to show it on their books. they were hoping donald trump would persony give back the money, the $150,000. they were going to deduct $25,000, what seas actually getting paid to be our fitness columnist and you're
that transaction is then put back on michael cohen and trump because pecker doesn't want to front any more money. what i found extraordinary today, many extraordinary moments, but one of them and i think this was brilliant by the prosecution, really showing how the deal was structured with karen mcdougal, david pecker knew this was a campaign finance violation. the waythy structured that contract for the fitness columns which had an assigned reporter to ghost write them and she was unhappy with...
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>> probably not, no. >> reporter: in his testimony, pecker said the payment orchestrator of michael cohen was dumb because they didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or hurt the campaign. pecker said he asked to asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded the boss, meaning trump, will take care of it. meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight.
>> probably not, no. >> reporter: in his testimony, pecker said the payment orchestrator of michael cohen was dumb because they didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or hurt the campaign. pecker said he asked to asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded the boss, meaning trump, will take care of it. meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight.
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in the final weeks of the campaign, pecker said he told trump's fixer michael cohen daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, "i am not going to get involved with a porn star.
in the final weeks of the campaign, pecker said he told trump's fixer michael cohen daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, "i am not going to get involved with a porn star.
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in the final weeks of the campaign, pecker said he told trump's fixer michael cohen daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, "i am not going to get involved with a porn star. i am not a bank." ultimately, cohen himself paid daniels $130,000 to keep quiet. prosecutors say trump paid cohen back, falsely labeling it as legal expenses. trump has denied both affairs. his lawyers claim any effort to bury salacious stories was to protect trump's family. but pecker testifying that's not what he thought. "i thought it was for the campaign," he told the jury. "his family was never mentioned," only "the impact it would have upon the election." david, pecker showed trump no hostility, in fact, even though it has been five years since pecker said he last saw trump, he still considers him to be a friend. cross examination is just getting started, whit, so, david becker returns here to the witness stand tomorrow. whit? >> whit: aaron, thank you. >>> next tonight, the stunning reversal in the sexual assault convict of harvey weinstein, the case
in the final weeks of the campaign, pecker said he told trump's fixer michael cohen daniels was shopping her story. he says cohen told him to buy it, but pecker refused, telling cohen, "i am not going to get involved with a porn star. i am not a bank." ultimately, cohen himself paid daniels $130,000 to keep quiet. prosecutors say trump paid cohen back, falsely labeling it as legal expenses. trump has denied both affairs. his lawyers claim any effort to bury salacious stories was to...
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cohen fell out of favor, he needed new people to be as enforcers and michael cohen at that point, i think it was on the cusp of falling out of favor. if you go back, i don't have the timeline in front of me, but this has been a constant. donald trump fines loyal lieutenants who will do his business, which is why i think pecker is important. yesterday, i believe it was when he said donald trump was deeply involved, was frugal, didn't like to throw away money, so it was always involved in the financial decisions. so the trustee is not conveyed to say, well, trump said make it go away. he didn't say do anything illegal or he didn't say write checks. that's what they're trying to build that trump knew what was happening. >> it seems to make caitlin the defense team of trump it's now going to try to muddy the waters a bit following the prosecution's opening witnesses, david pecker what are you hearing about how trump and his legal team are going to start dealing with all of this tomorrow. >> i think the question is really how do they distance donald trump from david pecker? because what
cohen fell out of favor, he needed new people to be as enforcers and michael cohen at that point, i think it was on the cusp of falling out of favor. if you go back, i don't have the timeline in front of me, but this has been a constant. donald trump fines loyal lieutenants who will do his business, which is why i think pecker is important. yesterday, i believe it was when he said donald trump was deeply involved, was frugal, didn't like to throw away money, so it was always involved in the...
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it isn't just michael cohen and david pecker on their own. it's trump working with pecker and cohen to have a plan to silence these stories before the election, so that they would not affect the election, so that the government wants to say it's all about election interference and it's all it goes right to trump and the defense wants to say it's not election interference. and trump knew nothing. >> all right. i mean, there are different cases, but one can certainly say there's a narrative emerging there. professor david levine, thank you so much. appreciate it okay. >> anytime. thanks for having me. >> coming up next with olympic gold medalist and bay area native kristi yamaguchi. she's going to be joining us to talk about her latest honor. it's about this big she's a best selling author, children's literacy advocate, and a mom. we're talking about the one the only kristi yamaguchi. and now she's got her own barbie to celebrate aapi heritage month, which begins next week. mattel has released the kristi yamaguchi doll as part of its inspiring
it isn't just michael cohen and david pecker on their own. it's trump working with pecker and cohen to have a plan to silence these stories before the election, so that they would not affect the election, so that the government wants to say it's all about election interference and it's all it goes right to trump and the defense wants to say it's not election interference. and trump knew nothing. >> all right. i mean, there are different cases, but one can certainly say there's a narrative...
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pecker clarified those concerns came from himself and trump's former lawyer, michael cohen. not trump, who says this trial is politically motivated. >> today was breath-taking in this room. you saw what went on. it was breath-taking. and amazing testimony. this is a trial that should have never happened. this is a case that should have never been filed. >> pecker eventually backed out of a reimbursement deal with cohen for the rights to macdougall's story over legal concerns. then, after pecker refused to pay adult film actress stormy daniels for her story cohen paid daniels $130,000. when pecker later asked trump about paying cohen back at cohen's request he said the former president had no idea what pecker was talking about. during today's morning session, the manhattan's d.a. was office submitted four more examples where prosecutors argued trump broke the judge's gag order. membermerchan will vote whethert to hold him in contempt of court. >> i am glad i was here it was a very interesting day in a certain way. >> there will be a hearing about the gag order on wednesday of
pecker clarified those concerns came from himself and trump's former lawyer, michael cohen. not trump, who says this trial is politically motivated. >> today was breath-taking in this room. you saw what went on. it was breath-taking. and amazing testimony. this is a trial that should have never happened. this is a case that should have never been filed. >> pecker eventually backed out of a reimbursement deal with cohen for the rights to macdougall's story over legal concerns. then,...
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they don't want to rely on michael cohen is a star witness for the government, they don't want to put david to chris witness because you got cloud witnesses in the case of covid are people testifying favorably to trump. that's why the case -- is left out here. one juror thinks this is not worthy and hangs the case, it's a mistrial and will finish before. >> the southern district of new york, the d.o.j. doctor. manhattan da bragg sets it back into life when trump decided to run again. that's where that basically she tried to claim federal felony nor charged federal election crime violation built on new york state misdemeanors. books and records cases, the violations. take it away in very similar to the case got to think about the incentives for the future just like we ought to worry about what happens to the federal government prosecutes past presidents, how will future presidents think? would happens every da, 2000 of them in the country start deciding going to prosecute this candidate or not that candidate because i don't like them, i campaigned against them so you give red state nam
they don't want to rely on michael cohen is a star witness for the government, they don't want to put david to chris witness because you got cloud witnesses in the case of covid are people testifying favorably to trump. that's why the case -- is left out here. one juror thinks this is not worthy and hangs the case, it's a mistrial and will finish before. >> the southern district of new york, the d.o.j. doctor. manhattan da bragg sets it back into life when trump decided to run again....
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cohen arrangement and places the blame on michael cohen. what david pecker testified to today was the fact that donald trump was intimately involved with the agreement there and was aware of it and called it our agreement, him, michael cohen and stormy daniels, and this was not just a stormy daniels-michael cohen agreement. >> andrew? >> this reminds me, you, me and vaughn feels like four years ago, i think two days ago -- >> 17 years ago, aka yesterday. >> yes. george conway related the same type of story where he and his wife were invited to dinner with jared and ivanka, and he said the president called to say are you watching this? so he clearly was -- this is -- it's exactly the same time frame. but i think vaughn has it exactly right, which is, thank you have the d.a. sort of bringing donald trump directly through direct evidence, it's not through michael cohen, you have a witness saying i spoke to him, this was his reaction. essentially what on god's green earth are you doing? why did you release her and why is she speaking and that e
cohen arrangement and places the blame on michael cohen. what david pecker testified to today was the fact that donald trump was intimately involved with the agreement there and was aware of it and called it our agreement, him, michael cohen and stormy daniels, and this was not just a stormy daniels-michael cohen agreement. >> andrew? >> this reminds me, you, me and vaughn feels like four years ago, i think two days ago -- >> 17 years ago, aka yesterday. >> yes. george...
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it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative around him as sort of working exclusive pro trump and exclusively for the purposes of the election, one of the things he testified about, i believe on direct earlier today was he said that in a meeting with trump, there was no reference to trump's family, right? no reference to trump's family in that meeting, which he wasn't doing this. he wasn't wanting to suppress the stormy daniels they'll story where the karen mcdougal story on behalf of his wife, protecting his wife or his kids. it was just about his campaign that that is what the da's office is goi
it was michael cohen who got involved. >> right. so i mean, look, i guess the the argument to be made is that that this was unusual, right? it wasn't standard fare for him to be necessarily wasn't his. consistent with his business objectives to be engaged, to kill stories, to kill stories, get it for trump, right? and then fact killing this particular story, i love acquiring the story, wouldn't have made any, make much business sense for him. so they're trying to hill this narrative...
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it also became clear that this was really between him and michael cohen. when he asked trump about it and the reimbursement he said i don't know anything about that. none of that makes a good case if anything let alone a criminal case. >> andy this was the former president also on his remarks a few moments ago. he said this about the case, listen... >> today was breathtaking in this room you saw what went on it was breathtaking. amazing testimony. this is a trial that should have never happened and a case that should have never been filed and it was really an incredible day. open your eyes, we can't let this continue to happen to our country. >> sandra: open your eyes he said. andy, the case should never have been filed all ask you a question i asked the ladies of moment ago is becoming more and more apparent to the american public that that is indeed the case? >> it may be sandra but, you know, wanting i would caution, i agree with everything jonathan said and the other attorneys criticizing the weakness of the case but we are trained lawyers, you know, w
it also became clear that this was really between him and michael cohen. when he asked trump about it and the reimbursement he said i don't know anything about that. none of that makes a good case if anything let alone a criminal case. >> andy this was the former president also on his remarks a few moments ago. he said this about the case, listen... >> today was breathtaking in this room you saw what went on it was breathtaking. amazing testimony. this is a trial that should have...
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le pago m michael cohen 130 mil. >> asi las cosas, vamos a ver que sucede si ya le dan oportunidad a la defensa de que interrogue justamente a david pecker, es lo que le preguntan, que es lo que le cuestionan justamente a este hombre, amigo de donald trump. >> rogelio, y hoy si, todo el dia dura el juicio, a diferencia de otros dias, ¿no? >> exactamente, hoy va a te terminar a las 4 de la tarde, tiempo del este, en las otras ocasiones, el martes termino a las 2, el lunes 12 y media, pero si, hoy es jornada completa, igual que manana, octavio. >> perfecto, rogelio, muchas gracias por por esa informacion, seguimos al pendiente cuando salga el ex de este corte mientras tanto, la fiscal del estado de arizona anuncio cargos contra 18 republicanos que participaron en un intento de revertir la eleccion presidencial del 2020 a favor del expresidente donald trump. >> entre los acusados estan mark meadows, ex jefe de despacho de la casa blanca de trump, su ex abogado rudy giuliani y kelly ward quien fuera presidenta del partido republicano en arizona durante las elecciones. >> esos son cargos
le pago m michael cohen 130 mil. >> asi las cosas, vamos a ver que sucede si ya le dan oportunidad a la defensa de que interrogue justamente a david pecker, es lo que le preguntan, que es lo que le cuestionan justamente a este hombre, amigo de donald trump. >> rogelio, y hoy si, todo el dia dura el juicio, a diferencia de otros dias, ¿no? >> exactamente, hoy va a te terminar a las 4 de la tarde, tiempo del este, en las otras ocasiones, el martes termino a las 2, el lunes 12 y...
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cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a _ michael cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a had _ michael cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used _ it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that— it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that to — it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that to bridge to the stormy daniets— used that to bridge to the stormy daniels payment and explain why, as they allege, michael cohen made the payment _ they allege, michael cohen made the payment to stormy daniels at donald trump's _ payment to stormy daniels at donald trump's direction. but again, back to the _ trump's direction. but again, back to the issue — trump's direction. but again, back to the issue of intent. david packer places— to the issue of intent. david packer places donald trump's concerns about the election— places donald trump's concerns about the election at the forefront of all of their— the election at the forefront of all of their conversations. he says after— of their conversations. he says after a — of their conversations. he says aftera dinner
cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a _ michael cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a had _ michael cohen, don't reimburse me, it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used _ it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that— it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that to — it's a bad idea. the prosecution has used that to bridge to the stormy daniets— used that to bridge to the stormy daniels payment and explain why, as they allege, michael cohen made the payment _ they allege, michael cohen made...
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over and over they are discussing the fact michael cohen said the boss wants this. the boss wants that. and all of this stuff about who's going to pay for it. i mean it is comical actually. cohen didn't want to pay for it than he goes to david pecker and says get the boss to pay me back. they are saying the former president didn't want to pay for any of this stuff. but none of that, the transactions that were agreed to by stormy daniels in this case because she is the case were discussing, that was an agreement between 2 parties to not share your story, is that correct? >> right. nda's are ubiquitous that they are used all the time. stories are killed all the time. the clinton campaign was famous for that. they killed the hunter biden story, you know, you had bill clinton who paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to women and some of those stories were killed by clinton people to protect him. those were not campaign contributions for the purposes of any criminal charge. so we are still left with the trial that seems to be searching for a crime. that's what is so dis
over and over they are discussing the fact michael cohen said the boss wants this. the boss wants that. and all of this stuff about who's going to pay for it. i mean it is comical actually. cohen didn't want to pay for it than he goes to david pecker and says get the boss to pay me back. they are saying the former president didn't want to pay for any of this stuff. but none of that, the transactions that were agreed to by stormy daniels in this case because she is the case were discussing, that...
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michael cohen, his former attorney, was the intermediary, and it was donald trump who and he said that he could not pay for lunch if they went together, because he had not authorized it. listen to what he said about david pecker when he was attending a campaign stop earlier today before the court testimony began in mid-town manhattan. take a listen. >> are you satisfied with the testimony of david pecker so far? >> david is a very nice guy. a very nice guy. >> and nothing to say about david pecker. the prosecution brought up that he has immunity in this particular case, and then the judge instructed jurors that they are to assess pecker's credibility as a witness based on the fact that he has immunity. we should tell you that in the course of this and going back and forth like a tennis match to present the information about donald trump and michael cohen and how donald trump's money was managed. zinhle. >> rehema ellis outside of that courthouse, and yamiche alcindor, thank you. and danny cevallos, how does this system compare to earlier in the week? >> we are hearing that some of the
michael cohen, his former attorney, was the intermediary, and it was donald trump who and he said that he could not pay for lunch if they went together, because he had not authorized it. listen to what he said about david pecker when he was attending a campaign stop earlier today before the court testimony began in mid-town manhattan. take a listen. >> are you satisfied with the testimony of david pecker so far? >> david is a very nice guy. a very nice guy. >> and nothing to...
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but you no, michael cohen responded the same. you have michael cohen one talking about the same columns, same points that trump cannot. in the presidential campaign, there's no reason michael cohen should have been part of the protection in my view. >> sandra: waiting on the gag order with the punch could be put at what are your expectations on that front? >> i think the judge will find him in violation of the gag order and will find him. he could in theory send him to jail but i don't think he will for a number of reasons mainly it would be political suicide. clearly this judge cares a lot about politics given his donations to joe biden and the stop republicans group in the past and everything about this hasn't screamed political but he knows it would make a martyr out of donald trump so i would be shocked if he went there and have the effect of tearing the country apart so i would be surprised if he went forward with that but i will expect him in some capacity. >> john: let's not forget if donald trump goes to jail his entire s
but you no, michael cohen responded the same. you have michael cohen one talking about the same columns, same points that trump cannot. in the presidential campaign, there's no reason michael cohen should have been part of the protection in my view. >> sandra: waiting on the gag order with the punch could be put at what are your expectations on that front? >> i think the judge will find him in violation of the gag order and will find him. he could in theory send him to jail but i...