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mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be fun to hear. no no it's humiliating. >> for sure obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday. here's what he said this morning i want to start by wishing my life were you happy birthday? i should be with her, but i'm the courthouse for reg try far. i'll be going there this evening absolutely. >> case finishes out with his car unconstitutional okay. >> now, you also post a two-minute video on social media for her birthday highlighting her time as first lady, and that is what really stood out to you today, stephanie, how com you know, i rolled my eyes when he did that. it was it was so beyond inappropriate, but yet so donald trump that on the way into a trial where they are talking about alleged affairs
mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be fun to hear. no no it's humiliating. >> for sure obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday. here's what he...
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he was paying money for the karen mcdougal scheme but at some point they said, you we're done being the bank. we are no longer sort of your bank for paying off these people in the caching kill& that explains why it is that michael cohen had to take out this home equity loan that we were hearing about just as the testimony was ending today and explain that difference. now, there's why it is that the national enquirer wasn't paying for this third and final scheme with respect to stormy daniels, but it had to be paid for by michael cohen. so i think that is a very important new detail that we heard that helped flesh out the scheme that we, the basics of which we knew about your book breaks down the very colorful cast of characters in this specific case, but not necessarily trump's assisted rhona graff and michael cohen's banker, gary farro. these lower profile voices set up the record keeping in the accounting that are clearly crucial to this overall case. but how to prosecutors make those rather dry details that we were hearing? very compelling for the jury not every witness in a trial is
he was paying money for the karen mcdougal scheme but at some point they said, you we're done being the bank. we are no longer sort of your bank for paying off these people in the caching kill& that explains why it is that michael cohen had to take out this home equity loan that we were hearing about just as the testimony was ending today and explain that difference. now, there's why it is that the national enquirer wasn't paying for this third and final scheme with respect to stormy...
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mcdougal google's silence being bought for $150,000. that would have been and i forget if i don't know if it was the prosecution or mr. packer, but tabloid gold was the term that was used because people who read the national enquirer would have bought a lot of copies of it to read the story about donald j. trump, and 1998 play of the year pecker was the first witness on the stand for four days what do you know having researched this so much for your book and for the article about karen mcdougal, what do you know about david pecker and his relationship with donald trump that the jury did not here well, one thing is that it was a wider, deeper relationship than is being admitted into this case. there was a safe that contained a lot of materials about trump those materials moved locations several times over the course of disk becoming an electoral issue. there was a list that i was shown by a senior ami source of trump's stories, not all of them terribly consequential. some of them were his feud with rosie o'donnell, but some of them were
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deal and just to remind folks, the karen mcdougal deal, this was a playboy playmate who alleged having a ten to 11 month relationship with donald trump. she had a story and what happened was that the tabloid magnate david pecker in ami, his company hired her. i gave her $150,000 to write a column for a different magazine in their end-to-end prior, i think it was health or health and fitness or something like that. she never wrote anything. she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david pecker had an election attorney look at this. this deal was going on. >> i think right before the 2016 election as well. yeah. well, it the implication would be that there was no actual election law violation as a result of these types of deals. right. so he has a lawyer ticket over. apparently the lawyer blessed it. right. and the deal with stormy daniels is strictly shuffle actually very, very similar, right? so that's sort of the implication. i don't think it actually is that potent of an observation. i don't i doubt we're going to hear from that lawyer in the course of this trial, which would be
deal and just to remind folks, the karen mcdougal deal, this was a playboy playmate who alleged having a ten to 11 month relationship with donald trump. she had a story and what happened was that the tabloid magnate david pecker in ami, his company hired her. i gave her $150,000 to write a column for a different magazine in their end-to-end prior, i think it was health or health and fitness or something like that. she never wrote anything. she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david...
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that's largely about karen mcdougal. there's a passing reference to stormy daniels in the story, but that is, that is a story that was published in the aftermath of access hollywood right before the election that was really back here, mcdougal now, the prosecutor is getting back into the notion of stormy daniels, and that is why so much of david pecker's testimony is about mcdougal or the doorman because that's what ami was involved with. i actually the stormy daniels thing, as we know, pecker said he wanted no part of that. is magazine is at walmart and that will look so good or what have you. and then this is on michael cohen and donald trump dissolve. and so they want to i guess the prosecutors now, if you look here, pecker says of daniel, sorry, that he wasn't going to print it or buy it or be associated with they wanted him to reassess sir that this issue, stormy daniels, which is what all the paperwork in this case is about those payments. that squarely in donald trump's lap via michael cohen were standing by to ge
that's largely about karen mcdougal. there's a passing reference to stormy daniels in the story, but that is, that is a story that was published in the aftermath of access hollywood right before the election that was really back here, mcdougal now, the prosecutor is getting back into the notion of stormy daniels, and that is why so much of david pecker's testimony is about mcdougal or the doorman because that's what ami was involved with. i actually the stormy daniels thing, as we know, pecker...
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and was asking him, how's karen doing referring to karen mcdougal? >> what trump's team has been trying to do today, and it may seem in the weeds, but it's important it is to undermine what they were saying about the mcdougal agreement, saying actually she did benefit from it because she had these columns published by ami publications that had her name on it to have benefited her career. they're arguing they're saying that they believe they misled michael cohen on whether that agreement with karen mcdougal is bullet-proof. they're basically trying to undermine that. this is all this big cover up and beauvais is asking pecker about that testimony. you were just talking about yesterday, when pecker said trump thanked him for the doorman's story, kristen, you talk to trump sources all day long. what have you been hearing from them as they watch by the way? because obviously there are no cameras in the courtroom. my impression from some trump people as they're watching what we put on the screen and what we've put on cnn.com, beauvais, tip pecker, quote,
and was asking him, how's karen doing referring to karen mcdougal? >> what trump's team has been trying to do today, and it may seem in the weeds, but it's important it is to undermine what they were saying about the mcdougal agreement, saying actually she did benefit from it because she had these columns published by ami publications that had her name on it to have benefited her career. they're arguing they're saying that they believe they misled michael cohen on whether that agreement...
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donald trump is asking a lot about karen mcdougal, this former playboy playmate. what impression does that leave the jury? >> well, sort of no using a worn-out analogy of the godfather here. if you think about the godfather sitting back and just sort of asking these benign questions, showing some interest in what's going on without maybe given the command to do the bad de or to continue to say well out of thinking about this, and this has been a very good idea. you've had there without actually giving the affirmative statement to go do something that's sort of what we're seeing. and i think that's going to be the argument the prosecution has to make you because there is no question michael cohen is the man in the middle doing the work. i mean, he's out there talking to david pecker and doing checks and running accounts. and i mean, that's his thing. and so he's gonna have his own problems on cross, but this, this effort by the prosecution makes a lot of sense to me whether it's successful, we'll see, but they have to tie trump for this. yeah, we can talk about tha
donald trump is asking a lot about karen mcdougal, this former playboy playmate. what impression does that leave the jury? >> well, sort of no using a worn-out analogy of the godfather here. if you think about the godfather sitting back and just sort of asking these benign questions, showing some interest in what's going on without maybe given the command to do the bad de or to continue to say well out of thinking about this, and this has been a very good idea. you've had there without...
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glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that. >> was the meat and bones of the prosecution's case in terms the idea that this was all tied to the campaign, that this wasn't a personal thing that wasn't what rudy giuliani is to talk about it. oh, was just disparate as family the embarrassment. >> no the entire criminal congruent between ami and donald trump threw my cohen was to assist the campaign to catch and kill these stories for the purpose of assist in this campaign. >> david pecker himself knew very well this was a campaign finance violations, but here's the catch. >> we're not charging him in new york wit
glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that....
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it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue. and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much. and i but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with playable arguably, but at some point the notion so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal campaign donation and i was involved in this scheme two it's sort of to pay off michael cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably, that is the defense, that is their best defense. but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was involved in this part of it was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash that does sort of point to a level of interest in t
it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue. and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much. and i but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with...
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i just want to play what karen mcdougall said during the interview. or not, we don't have it. >> why would he have amended -- i don't understand why david would have amended the agreement with karen? >> is not clear to me either. he had an independent business with mcdougall she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines. i don't know why he wanted to do that. obviously, trump didn't know why either common he was thiss spirit. >> what i think is significant is it shows direct contact between pecker and donald trump. it was about this and as a prosecutor you want to point to these excerpts and say donald trump himself knew what was going on. >> not only indirect conversations but saying we have been agreement with stormy daniels according to pecker which gives to a state of mind he knew the agreement was in place. >> they were for his benefit. that is the thing. one of the issue is is did donald treat -- track did he do this to get elected. the quotes that you read showed that he knew that is why these agreements were in place and he was
i just want to play what karen mcdougall said during the interview. or not, we don't have it. >> why would he have amended -- i don't understand why david would have amended the agreement with karen? >> is not clear to me either. he had an independent business with mcdougall she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines. i don't know why he wanted to do that. obviously, trump didn't know why either common he was thiss spirit. >> what i think is significant is it...
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i mean, the he had an independent business relationship with karen mcdougal. she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines he i don't know why he wanted to do that, and obviously, trump did know why either and he was and you seem to be off donald trump. >> what's up and down that well it's not the first time. >> what i think is also significant about these passages is that it shows direct contact between david pecker and donald trump a lot of data pecker's testimony was going through michael cohen, the vast majority of its communications about karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. we're through michael cohen, but as prosecutor, you want to be able to point to these exact excerpts and say donald trump himself knew what was going on. it was very invested and not just conversation, direct conversations, but conversations and statements saying like, we have an agreement with stormy daniels, according to pecker, which gets to donald trump's state of mind that he knew there were these agreements in place because they refer his benefit. and that's the thi
i mean, the he had an independent business relationship with karen mcdougal. she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines he i don't know why he wanted to do that, and obviously, trump did know why either and he was and you seem to be off donald trump. >> what's up and down that well it's not the first time. >> what i think is also significant about these passages is that it shows direct contact between david pecker and donald trump a lot of data pecker's testimony...
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between karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. he talks about not wanting to get involved in stormy daniels. he says, i am not purchasing this tour i am not going to be involved with a porn star. as i've suddenly this is a line. he's going to draw it. i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial. he's the one who negotiated the ndas with mcdougal and with stormy and the timeline is professor kim knows is crucial in any prosecution in august of 2016, keith david rohde will say this is public, that he had a meeting with dylan howard who unfortunately is not a key witness, has been brought u
between karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. he talks about not wanting to get involved in stormy daniels. he says, i am not purchasing this tour i am not going to be involved with a porn star. as i've suddenly this is a line. he's going to draw it. i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal...
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trump that was going to extend karen mcdougal's contract? it was for six months. the contract was up and i felt that from the last lunch that i had with her that we had fulfilled some of the obligations that she was looking for, specifically her beauty products and media training. so i was going to send her a new contract he thought that was on our original conversation. he thought that that was also a bad idea. so when i received the second call, when i got the call back and hope hicks and huckabee sanders, huckabee that sarah sanders when she was on the call, i explained to them to the two of them why i was going to extend the agreement and both of them said they thought it was a good idea. prosecutor asked, what was the reason that you gave for why you wanted to extend karen mcdougal's contract. pecker says, i wanted to extend or contract so she would not go out, not give any further interviews, are talked to the press, or say negative comments about american media or mr. trump? now you said that when you had your individual conversation with mr. trump, he was
trump that was going to extend karen mcdougal's contract? it was for six months. the contract was up and i felt that from the last lunch that i had with her that we had fulfilled some of the obligations that she was looking for, specifically her beauty products and media training. so i was going to send her a new contract he thought that was on our original conversation. he thought that that was also a bad idea. so when i received the second call, when i got the call back and hope hicks and...
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pecker also discussed in earlier scheme involving former playboy model karen mcdougal. she alleged having a nearly year long relationship with trump, which the former president denies. pecker told the jury he would not have entered into the deal with mcdougal if it wasn't going to benefit trump's campaign saying, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. trump's attorney, emil beauvais, used his time cross-examining pecker to show how the mutually ben relationship between him and trump went back almost two decades before the 2016 election. he confirmed with pecker that he had been giving trump a heads-up about negative stories during that time, bove as pecker if it was standard operating procedure for media to work with politicians, including sometimes to win elections pecker replied, yes. >> today was breathtaking. this room. he went on, he was breathtaking and amazing testimony. before court, trump commented on pecker's testimony at a stop at a midtown construction site. prosecutors cited his words to the judge on thursday as
pecker also discussed in earlier scheme involving former playboy model karen mcdougal. she alleged having a nearly year long relationship with trump, which the former president denies. pecker told the jury he would not have entered into the deal with mcdougal if it wasn't going to benefit trump's campaign saying, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. trump's attorney, emil beauvais, used his time cross-examining pecker to show how the mutually ben...
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this is where pecker testified trump asked him how karen mcdougal is doing, how significant is that? >> well, i think it could be very significant wealth. i mean, i think that you're seeing right now earlier today, we saw trump's lawyers trying to say jazz, the david pecker is memory was faulty asking questions about contradictory answers he had given in different interviews with prosecutors. and i think that you will see he that is a theme, but to your point about the picture, there's documentation that backs up. what the story of the pecker is telling. there were a lot of references to text messages to email so the fact that pecker and those are supposed to speak to pecker's credibility. the fact that pecker is saying that he had this conversation with trump where trump was knowledgeable enough about karen mcdougal to ask, how is she doing? i think could end up being significant. they also elicited the prosecutors will from david pecker, an answer about essentially his motivations where it was of animus for trump and david pecker is answer was he was my mentor. i'm paraphrasing, bu
this is where pecker testified trump asked him how karen mcdougal is doing, how significant is that? >> well, i think it could be very significant wealth. i mean, i think that you're seeing right now earlier today, we saw trump's lawyers trying to say jazz, the david pecker is memory was faulty asking questions about contradictory answers he had given in different interviews with prosecutors. and i think that you will see he that is a theme, but to your point about the picture, there's...
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mcdougal's contract it should be extended. >> so just to remind people, karen mcdougal is 1998 playmate of the year, who alleged she had a long term affair and part of the catch and kill was to give her $150,000, david pecker did to have her not tell her story publicly it was not a script pecker said going on to confirm he wasn't surprised by any questions from the prosecutor. that's about the separate issue about whether they're not the defense or the rather the prosecution has coached him. in any case, karen mcdougal had this contract. she was she got $150,000. they bought the rights to her story, including her alleged a with donald trump and then david pecker calls the white house. and so should we, should we extend her contract? pecker said both of them hope and serous anderes said that they thought it was a good idea. >> now those are taxpayer funded employees of ours, of the white house at the time giving recommendation that karen mcdougal's contracts should be extended? >> that's that's pretty interesting. >> i don't think either of them were thinking also about trump's family or
mcdougal's contract it should be extended. >> so just to remind people, karen mcdougal is 1998 playmate of the year, who alleged she had a long term affair and part of the catch and kill was to give her $150,000, david pecker did to have her not tell her story publicly it was not a script pecker said going on to confirm he wasn't surprised by any questions from the prosecutor. that's about the separate issue about whether they're not the defense or the rather the prosecution has coached...
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they're going from their sabotaging karen mcdougal. they talked about, but door man who would made allegations which were proven to be false about a child, but trump's father was false. now, you're on stormy daniels, where are we in the testimony of david pecker? we're almost at the end because he is also talking about that trump tower meeting was what prosecutors have called the thank-you meeting where he talks to he goes and he sees trump. >> trump. thanks, tim taking care of this? he also invites him to the inauguration. david pecker said he didn't go, and then there's one more meeting that prosecutors have flagged. so this is what i expect david pecker will be asked about when in return soon for after lunch, was that it was in the spring or summer of 2017 after trump has been president, he invites david pecker to the white house, keep i'm sorry. i keep davidson. i'm dylan howard goes along with him and it was the thank you dinner. and he thinks him then trump thinks david pecker for everything he's done for the campaign. so that is
they're going from their sabotaging karen mcdougal. they talked about, but door man who would made allegations which were proven to be false about a child, but trump's father was false. now, you're on stormy daniels, where are we in the testimony of david pecker? we're almost at the end because he is also talking about that trump tower meeting was what prosecutors have called the thank-you meeting where he talks to he goes and he sees trump. >> trump. thanks, tim taking care of this? he...
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let's michael cohen, karen, that's karen mcdougal is a nice girl. is it true that a mexican group is looking to buy the story for 8 million. so trump is saying to hit david pecker that he talked to michael cohen. this is trump talking and says michael collins says karen's a nice girls is it true that a mexican group is seeking her story for $8 and pecker says he told trump, he absolutely did not believe that was true. $8 million from some mexican. and this is important because david pecker has direct contact here with donald trump. a lot of what david pecker was testifying about before he was communicating with and through michael cohen. so trump says to david pecker, according to pecker, what do you think i should do this is about the fact that karen mcdougal is allegedly out there with her story of a ten, 11 months relationship with donald trump this is in 2016, by the way, what he's running for president, he does not want the story out. pecker recalls he told trump, i think you should by the story and take it off off the market. that's, catch and
let's michael cohen, karen, that's karen mcdougal is a nice girl. is it true that a mexican group is looking to buy the story for 8 million. so trump is saying to hit david pecker that he talked to michael cohen. this is trump talking and says michael collins says karen's a nice girls is it true that a mexican group is seeking her story for $8 and pecker says he told trump, he absolutely did not believe that was true. $8 million from some mexican. and this is important because david pecker has...
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or he had just begun talking about karen mcdougal, the former playboy playmate, and his efforts to bury stories about her. this gets into a very important subject areas about what donald trump did and how he did it to keep stories from going public. and he could testify about stormy daniels later as well. there is more news though breaking overnight new charges in arizona against several donald trump's closest associates were trying to overthrow the election results. there former chief of staff mark meadows, is among those charged. now remember cassidy hutchinson worked for mark meadows and she spoke to cnn overnight, cnn senior crime adjusted reported katelyn poland's has the latest on that front, hard to keep up with it all galen yeah. >> john cassidy hutchinson is not likely to be a witness in this new york hush money trial, but she is someone who had a front row seat to the trump presidency. she was in the white house. she's someone who was very loyal to donald trump at the time it before becoming a key witness related to what happened during the 2020 election that led to other crim
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he was getting into the details about karen mcdougal, how they learned about that alleged fair the process of possibly a bearing that story, and we fully we expect him to get to the heart of this case, which is the alleged affair with stormy daniels, will certainly have some details later today, john. >> yeah, a lot of it could happen very quickly once trial resumes this morning, bring and grass great to have you there. thank you. >> kate and that is the case in new york. we also have two other legal headlines, three major legal headlines. minds today with donald trump, the two others, including the us supreme court and the immunity case. it now going to be heard an oral arguments and also the indictment just handed up in arizona overnight related to the election subversion in 2020, there, let's discuss it, joining us right now is a former federal prosecutor, temidayo aganga-williams he was a former senior investigative counsel for the january 6 committee, and elliot williams is formed prosecutor and cnn legal analysts. guys, thank you so much. i want to focus first on the supreme court. a
he was getting into the details about karen mcdougal, how they learned about that alleged fair the process of possibly a bearing that story, and we fully we expect him to get to the heart of this case, which is the alleged affair with stormy daniels, will certainly have some details later today, john. >> yeah, a lot of it could happen very quickly once trial resumes this morning, bring and grass great to have you there. thank you. >> kate and that is the case in new york. we also...
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he testified about the whole situation involving karen mcdougal. that was the playboy model and trump's relationship and whether that we get out. and so to your point, the crescendo, i think that now begins with stormy daniels in terms of the whole entire thing about her being paid. and i think he continues that as mr. pecker& the prosecutor, to build up this notion that michael cohen was the conduit. he was acting on behalf of donald trump and corroborating cohen's testimony. so when college i'm testifies to exactly what pecker did, we can't say. he's a liar, liar, liar. that's not true. pecker already said it was because that laundry list you noted about that that makes michael cohen a public figure, also raises a heck of a lot of questions about his credibility that we know the defense is going to talk about joey jackson. thank you very much for being with us this morning. i really appreciate it. >> nothing going on, casey. >> nothing at all. all right. >> now, to this house speaker mike johnson calling on columbia university's president to resi
he testified about the whole situation involving karen mcdougal. that was the playboy model and trump's relationship and whether that we get out. and so to your point, the crescendo, i think that now begins with stormy daniels in terms of the whole entire thing about her being paid. and i think he continues that as mr. pecker& the prosecutor, to build up this notion that michael cohen was the conduit. he was acting on behalf of donald trump and corroborating cohen's testimony. so when...
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mcdougal and stormy daniels. and i think to this point, the first two days this trial, he is not really reacted to win the jury's is there. we'll see if that changes as the trial moves forward. >> is there a risk for trump that david pecker does in any of these questionings come out and reveal new information about trump's personal life that would be very damaging. >> i think it's more that david pecker could reveal that to the public. and trump is running a presidential campaign. >> i think he would have had to probably told the prosecutors at this point everything he knows for them to now come out with new information. >> don't see that happening in the trial contexts, but he might know so much information about trump's life over multiple years. that is not necessarily related to this particular scheme or the 2016 election, but much more broadly, but that would be objectionable, right? obviously, if new things start to be revealed, that a damaging to trump and not on-point are relevant to the case said offense
mcdougal and stormy daniels. and i think to this point, the first two days this trial, he is not really reacted to win the jury's is there. we'll see if that changes as the trial moves forward. >> is there a risk for trump that david pecker does in any of these questionings come out and reveal new information about trump's personal life that would be very damaging. >> i think it's more that david pecker could reveal that to the public. and trump is running a presidential campaign....
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now he began by introducing them to karen mcdougal, but tomorrow they're really going to get into the heart of that deal and the role of ami, the role of michael cohen, the phone calls around this how that came to be and then move into the stormy daniels, which is at the center of this case and bring the campaign into this even more so, he's expected to be on the stan, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole day when the defense gets there cross-examination going, but he will be for the prosecution's witness to try to continue to establish these catch and kill sphericity and then also the motive for which was to help donald trump's campaign, timmy die. >> what do you see? david pecker is role as this for the prosecution. >> i think for so long we've talked about michael cohen as the narrator. and i think what's so powerful here is that david pecker is really serving as that narrator, but he has the benefit of not having the hostility and credibility excuse it associated michael cohen, but he's really serving the role of taking us from 2015. he's drawing the campaign in. he's talking
now he began by introducing them to karen mcdougal, but tomorrow they're really going to get into the heart of that deal and the role of ami, the role of michael cohen, the phone calls around this how that came to be and then move into the stormy daniels, which is at the center of this case and bring the campaign into this even more so, he's expected to be on the stan, i think for quite awhile, maybe the whole day when the defense gets there cross-examination going, but he will be for the...
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mcdougal, and then ultimately the third kachin killed deal, the one at the core of this case involving stormy daniels. after his testimony is completed by the prosecutor's, then donald trump's lawyers will have a chance to begin their cross-examination of him. that could be as soon as tomorrow afternoon. >> like. you're scannell on new york for us, cara. thank you. i want to bring in our legal and political experts right now and michael moore, let me start with you just before he yesterday's hearing, trump actually gave an interview to cnn affiliate wpvi and said this, listen michael cohen is a convicted liar and he's got no credibility whatsoever. he was a lawyer and you rely on your lawyers let you expect the judge is going to react to this apparent this apparent violation of the order that the judge imposed. yeah. well, i'm glad to be with you. he can't help himself. apparently, i'm that just seems to be the norm for him. and so right after you have this rather contentious hearing the judge had his tempers flaring up a little bit. i think it is lawyer for him to them come on and mak
mcdougal, and then ultimately the third kachin killed deal, the one at the core of this case involving stormy daniels. after his testimony is completed by the prosecutor's, then donald trump's lawyers will have a chance to begin their cross-examination of him. that could be as soon as tomorrow afternoon. >> like. you're scannell on new york for us, cara. thank you. i want to bring in our legal and political experts right now and michael moore, let me start with you just before he...
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he was starting to discuss the payoffs scheme to karen mcdougal, who allegedly had an affair with donald trump. we're going to hear him finish that part of his tests the money tomorrow, and then he's going to get to the heart of the matter. the payoffs to stormy daniels know what appears. david pecker, head minimal involvement in that, but he will get the jury to understand the pattern at play here. and very importantly, david pecker testified about a key meeting in august 2015 with three very important participants, donald trump, david pecker, and michael cohen where according to pecker, this is where they first said donald trump is now running for office and we need to take care of these stories that might make him look bad in the campaign. very importantly, in the campaign, we're going to hear from michael cohen, of course, about that meeting two, that's how you though about what the cross might look like. you're obviously hearing the direct examination right now with the prosecution. this is their lead witness they're asking questions, but then the defense is going to have their bite
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mcdougal to get up there potentially. >> i just remind everyone what karen mcdougal has said about her alleged affair with donald trump when i got what ham actually, there was a there was a real relationship there, there was real if they were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just him. >> there was a rare relationship. there. were you in love with him? >> i want to and do you think he was in love with you? >> he was. yeah did don't trump ever say to you that he loved you all the time? i still me he loved me no. >> i don't maybe this is not a question, but is monitor angry are about stormy daniels or karen mcdougal? >> well, this is something i reported on back in the de for cnn and she's far more concerned, an emotional about karen mcdougal cool. because mostly of the things that she just said there to anderson cooper she was in her home, right? she don't jump took her to their their private personal home and he also according to karen mcdougal, said the elward's said that he loved are and that they loved each other. i think for millennia, john, that's far more
mcdougal to get up there potentially. >> i just remind everyone what karen mcdougal has said about her alleged affair with donald trump when i got what ham actually, there was a there was a real relationship there, there was real if they were real feelings between the two of us, not just myself, not just him. >> there was a rare relationship. there. were you in love with him? >> i want to and do you think he was in love with you? >> he was. yeah did don't trump ever say...
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mcdougal. we're going to be talking about stormy daniels and they're going to try and say, you know donald trump wasn't really involved in this. this is all michael cohen's doing and michael cohen was the fixer and took it upon himself to try and protect this this man. what's interesting to me, and i don't know the answer to this question. is, why haven't they attacked mr. pecker donald trump has not attacked david pecker& i think it may be because he feels that pecker self has a little bit of power over him. you know, that there's a lot of stuff that pecker knows that maybe he's not talking about, but donald trump has attacked everybody else but he's left david pecker alone, which i think is kind of curious. >> you certainly don't want to do more harm, right? is they think about cross-examine and they think about taking on pecker. you don't want to do more harm and that so you might be running yeah, it's interesting you. >> a good point. all right, guys. thank you very, very much. just ahead.
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the karen mcdougal self came up just at the very amperage and grass. thank you very much for that really leaving the jury to think about for the next 24 hours or were you stay here as a father of twins? you will be very interested in this one. the good stuff this morning talking about a whole lot of seeing double the graduating class at nor one high school in pennsylvaniaill have notne not tw not even thre but 11 sets of inwins walng across the graduation stage at the en of the sool ar surprising even some of the twins themselves listen i n't rely reaze as 30, so many of until we algot wn in the fice nod oh, my gosh, there's literally 22 of us. i thought it was normal, so i mean, i just think it's really cool. think we all ca relate that when we're going to to college just give be hard because we just like lived together constantly and we'd grown up and teach her the whole years and graduating togethers cnn affiliate wta e. reports that some siblings will be attending i'm colleges together in the fall. >> others are forging their own pads principal mic
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mcdougal what payment the evidence of karen mcdougal will come into this case because it's relevant as background, but it's not charged as a crime. >> and the reason is the state crime here is falsification of business records. the allegation, as i said before, is that they did that with stormy daniels because it was really a hush payment, but they called it attorney's fees, but they did not do that with karen mcdougal. it was structured separately. it was structured essentially as a catch and kill that was no falsification. they paid her for the story and then they killed it. so the state law doesn't quite apply here on top, which is the point you were making before. yeah, but that with karen mcdougal, there was discussion of the trump trump world giving ami basically back that money. am i didn't do that and that's the next step that did not happen in that case. it makes it different from what and rudy giuliani is on television in 2018 saying that michael cohen wasn't doing legal work for donald trump when he was paid that amount of money. it's higher than the $130,000. it's closer
mcdougal what payment the evidence of karen mcdougal will come into this case because it's relevant as background, but it's not charged as a crime. >> and the reason is the state crime here is falsification of business records. the allegation, as i said before, is that they did that with stormy daniels because it was really a hush payment, but they called it attorney's fees, but they did not do that with karen mcdougal. it was structured separately. it was structured essentially as a...
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karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charging documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes. next. david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump world i'm curious as to why that happened. so this is the opening salvo, but there's more to counter. >> so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraph of testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here and i think two things jump out at me from that transcript. one, this is a full nine alarm fire in trump world and in the national acquire in pecker's environment, they are, i mean, they're pulling each other out of meetings borderline panicking. the other thing is that establishes a really important chain of communication because this is one of the rare instances. there's a few where david pecker has direct contact with donald trump. most of its with michael cohen and the weakness that arthur just pointed out is, well, how do you know that michael co
karen mcdougal story. and when you look at the charging documents here for trump, there are some hints about where this goes. next. david pecker ends up paying her, but at some point, he decides to not get reimbursed from trump world i'm curious as to why that happened. so this is the opening salvo, but there's more to counter. >> so again, you're not going to find the crime a to z found in any one paragraph of testimony, prosecutors have to build a case here and i think two things jump...
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and there's a moment when pecker testified that when word got he got word of the karen mcdougal story. trump called pecker. >> and pecker tried to convince trump to buy the story, but then trump said this mali anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out. >> let me think about it and i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days. what does that tell you well, it certainly is. >> you're saying fits with what we all experienced when we were covering this campaign. and despite the turn, he's taken now, michael cohen was fanatically loyal to the man he always referred to as mr. trump. and we knew that he was always out there defending his reputation, i think to marcus is point this fits with what we know oh, about how meticulously trump pays attention to his image in the media, right? he, right. while this trial was going on, he's tweeting about the details of the way he's being covered in the new york times. so to this day, i think it's very much fits with what we know about how donald trump has always very carefully managed perceptions of himself, always very carefully mo
and there's a moment when pecker testified that when word got he got word of the karen mcdougal story. trump called pecker. >> and pecker tried to convince trump to buy the story, but then trump said this mali anytime you do anything like this, it always gets out. >> let me think about it and i'll have michael cohen call you back in a few days. what does that tell you well, it certainly is. >> you're saying fits with what we all experienced when we were covering this campaign....
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so starting with karen mcdougal could, because i think this is actually fundamentally different. we were just talking about from stormy daniels. this was longer term, this was something that trump i mean, he's still denies actually the karen mcdougal relationship. what are you expecting from her? >> this one's more complicated. she has not been antagonistic about donald trump. she still speaks with him with some affection she described in her interview with anderson cooper, she described that they were in love. it was a very an actual relationship and that she ended it because she felt very bad about it being an affair. she's a religious woman and i think it's gonna be very different for him to see her in that courtroom versus stormy daniels or that was a more surface level? bowl, a fair it was a transactional. >> they were talking about a roll on celebrity apprentice for stormy daniels. it was not an emotional affair where he talked about having a child and karen mcdougal in her account, i think it's much more emotional thing than the stormy daniels that's really fascinating. i
so starting with karen mcdougal could, because i think this is actually fundamentally different. we were just talking about from stormy daniels. this was longer term, this was something that trump i mean, he's still denies actually the karen mcdougal relationship. what are you expecting from her? >> this one's more complicated. she has not been antagonistic about donald trump. she still speaks with him with some affection she described in her interview with anderson cooper, she described...
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karen mcdougal had a similar experience where initially when you look at the reporting, the offer was quite low for her story, it was someone who had suggested said, hey, you should tell your story. that guy is running for president. you want to be the one to tell your story. and then she came out with that also to speak to what this is all going to what these people at least believed it was about david pecker researched whether or not he was violating campaign finance laws when they were making the payment to karen mcdougal because obviously incorporations also cannot donate that much money to a political candidate. so he even thought that this was on the brink of violating the law and again, like look, i think i can't speak to the legalities of whether it's state or federal. >> but the way that the system also works in this country is that you can't just have people handing $130,000 to a candidate or corporation having $130,000 to a candidate. that's not how the system works to in order to protect the voter. i mean, there is an interest here in the voter& if we call this hush money,
karen mcdougal had a similar experience where initially when you look at the reporting, the offer was quite low for her story, it was someone who had suggested said, hey, you should tell your story. that guy is running for president. you want to be the one to tell your story. and then she came out with that also to speak to what this is all going to what these people at least believed it was about david pecker researched whether or not he was violating campaign finance laws when they were...
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but the mcdougal testimony that seemed to really get to him that it karen obviously, while this case is about payments made at for silence to stormy daniels and whether that that was a felony count in an election law karen mcdougal is very relevant to the story because she is a person who has a detailed, extensive affair. she says she had with the former president and david pecker and the national enquirer was obviously involved in getting rid of that one as well. >> yeah. i mean, the prosecution is painting this entire scheme as a criminal conspiracy. this is conspiracy between david pecker, donald trump, and michael cohen. and that they all got together conspiracy requires two or more people to get together, have an agreement and the agreement is to do something unlawful. and what they're saying is what they were doing that was unlawful, was they were unlawfully trying to influence the election. so this is all part of the scheme. the criminal scheme, and they have set up that there was a meeting where this was explicitly discussed, right. so even though this was a matter of as you'
but the mcdougal testimony that seemed to really get to him that it karen obviously, while this case is about payments made at for silence to stormy daniels and whether that that was a felony count in an election law karen mcdougal is very relevant to the story because she is a person who has a detailed, extensive affair. she says she had with the former president and david pecker and the national enquirer was obviously involved in getting rid of that one as well. >> yeah. i mean, the...
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mcdougal, the woman who allegedly had about a year-long affair with trump, the national enquirer bought her story and then never published it. that is likely prosecutors will move on to press pecker on how he came to learn that a woman named stormy daniels was also shopping person sorry jake. >> all paula reid and manhattan for us. thanks so much. let's discuss with their legal panel and elliott, let's take a look at this important exchange as the prosecution questioned tabloid magnate david pecker today, the prosecutor said, quote, prior to the august 2015 meeting, had you ever purchased a story to not print it about mystery? for trump and pecker replied, no, the prosecutor asked, did that part help the national enquirer at all then not publishing the story that you've paid for. becker said, no, that didn't help. so pecker has confirming here that positive stories about trump or a mutual benefit or even potentially, i guess theoretically negative ones would be a benefit for the national enquirer. but stopping stories from being printed about donald trump would only benefit trump. it wo
mcdougal, the woman who allegedly had about a year-long affair with trump, the national enquirer bought her story and then never published it. that is likely prosecutors will move on to press pecker on how he came to learn that a woman named stormy daniels was also shopping person sorry jake. >> all paula reid and manhattan for us. thanks so much. let's discuss with their legal panel and elliott, let's take a look at this important exchange as the prosecution questioned tabloid magnate...
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so when he is back on this in on thursday, he will then begin to describe the karen mcdougal deal we got just the beginning of this today where they learned about her allegation of a romantic relationship with trump, and they're figuring out what to do with it. when he left us 20 today was that he was being called frequently by a by michael cohen who wanted to know where things stood. so that will pick up on thursday, understanding how this deal ended up being one of these caching kills were ami paid $150,000 start to go away and then shifting into the stormy daniels payment that is at the heart of this case. and what that transfer and how am i found out about it and how it ultimately led to michael cohen being the one to pay the $130,000 that then prosecutor peter say trump reimbursed in width so that we'll get to the key elements of this case when pecker is back on the stand on thursday. >> all right. kara scannell outside the courthouse in manhattan. thanks so much for joining us. sounded discuss is jeremy saland, a former prosecutor with manhattan district attorney, as well as tr
so when he is back on this in on thursday, he will then begin to describe the karen mcdougal deal we got just the beginning of this today where they learned about her allegation of a romantic relationship with trump, and they're figuring out what to do with it. when he left us 20 today was that he was being called frequently by a by michael cohen who wanted to know where things stood. so that will pick up on thursday, understanding how this deal ended up being one of these caching kills were...
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will be that of karen mcdougal. >> well, that's impressive. i'm so glad you said paulo, because you're tightening his grip because the prosecutor just ask david, quote, do you know somebody named karen mcdougal obviously that is going to be the second story here. and this one is going ally fcinating. because they just laid out the mechanics of how these agreements worked and how for the first time they bought a story. we do now know karen mcdougal, who store. they also bought and you're saying yes, i do. as they are now getting into this story this is incredibly significant fill in this moment just given karen mcdougal story, was bad, david was worried when they bought that story, that they were violating campaign finance rules? >> yes. actually did research to make sure that they weren't are trying to make sure that they were on the right right side of the wall, which i imagine you're probably going to be hearing about that process because corporations can't spend 100 and over $100,000 from them as to what they can actually spend on that. and
will be that of karen mcdougal. >> well, that's impressive. i'm so glad you said paulo, because you're tightening his grip because the prosecutor just ask david, quote, do you know somebody named karen mcdougal obviously that is going to be the second story here. and this one is going ally fcinating. because they just laid out the mechanics of how these agreements worked and how for the first time they bought a story. we do now know karen mcdougal, who store. they also bought and you're...
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karen mcdougal and the doorman. then stormy than they paid stormy daniels, but still to me, this agreement this criminal conspiracy, they got together and said that they were going to do this and then paid people off to me. that's the difference as the attorneys are at the bench, trump is shuffling through the papers in front of him and looking at them the courtroom. so quiet that cnn's reporters say they can hear the pages trump is shuffling, tim well what is your take on what karen just said and it is one of those things where i don't think that if i were cross-examining, i probably would not attack his credibility because i think a lot of this stuff it is it's probably all true what i would actually cross-examined amman is more of the pattern of how this happens across campaigns. >> i would be cross-examining him on the steele dossier. the allegations of a trump p. tape, and all of those things, and the fact that this was happening across the board of false stories being being put out and that's still does here i
karen mcdougal and the doorman. then stormy than they paid stormy daniels, but still to me, this agreement this criminal conspiracy, they got together and said that they were going to do this and then paid people off to me. that's the difference as the attorneys are at the bench, trump is shuffling through the papers in front of him and looking at them the courtroom. so quiet that cnn's reporters say they can hear the pages trump is shuffling, tim well what is your take on what karen just said...