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but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she didn't give prosecutors some of the admissions they wanted. they were trying to establish trump had a business reason to have stormy in his rolodex, in particular, he was looking at her as a plausible candidate for the celebrity apprentice. she wouldn't necessarily go there. she said yeah, i have a vague recollection based on some office chatter that she was talked about as an interesting candidate. but never did she say i heard it directly from trump. i overheard trump talking about her. rather, she saw her once in the reception area of the business offices at
but if you look at karen mcdougal's, hers is far more details. it had two addresses for him, an email address, and a cell phone. and notably, it has her first and last name. this is not a person donald trump didn't know. and rhona graff also testified, look, trump doesn't use email. we all know that. i set up his outlook contacts for him, basically, i was maintaining his electronic rolodex. these aren't my contacts. they're for him. the other thing she did is she's eminently credible. she...
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mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be fun to hear. no no it's humiliating. >> for sure obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday. here's what he said this morning i want to start by wishing my life were you happy birthday? i should be with her, but i'm the courthouse for reg try far. i'll be going there this evening absolutely. >> case finishes out with his car unconstitutional okay. >> now, you also post a two-minute video on social media for her birthday highlighting her time as first lady, and that is what really stood out to you today, stephanie, how com you know, i rolled my eyes when he did that. it was it was so beyond inappropriate, but yet so donald trump that on the way into a trial where they are talking about alleged affairs
mcdougal and stormy daniels is that karen mcdougal hasn't been really out there in the news. she says they had a year long relationship that they exchanged. i love you's and i don't care who you are. that's never going to be fun to hear. no no it's humiliating. >> for sure obviously, we don't know how closely she is following this, but trump did complain on his way into court today, stephanie, about having to be there instead of being with melania trump for her birthday. here's what he...
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he was paying money for the karen mcdougal scheme but at some point they said, you we're done being the bank. we are no longer sort of your bank for paying off these people in the caching kill& that explains why it is that michael cohen had to take out this home equity loan that we were hearing about just as the testimony was ending today and explain that difference. now, there's why it is that the national enquirer wasn't paying for this third and final scheme with respect to stormy daniels, but it had to be paid for by michael cohen. so i think that is a very important new detail that we heard that helped flesh out the scheme that we, the basics of which we knew about your book breaks down the very colorful cast of characters in this specific case, but not necessarily trump's assisted rhona graff and michael cohen's banker, gary farro. these lower profile voices set up the record keeping in the accounting that are clearly crucial to this overall case. but how to prosecutors make those rather dry details that we were hearing? very compelling for the jury not every witness in a trial is
he was paying money for the karen mcdougal scheme but at some point they said, you we're done being the bank. we are no longer sort of your bank for paying off these people in the caching kill& that explains why it is that michael cohen had to take out this home equity loan that we were hearing about just as the testimony was ending today and explain that difference. now, there's why it is that the national enquirer wasn't paying for this third and final scheme with respect to stormy...
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after they left, trump asked about the karen mcdougal situation and thanked him for it. comey spoke out about all this. take a listen. >> i was alone with the president of the united states. or the president-elect, soon to be president. i was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting so i thought it really important to document. >> he did document that meeting. it was one of the many things he told congress and later investigators about. what we're learning here and what's so striking because you never know what you're going to learn at trial, nobody knew comey would come back up, is how in that one meeting there were allegedly at least two different violations, one federal that comey was talking about and then the reason it got brought up here, because the then president elect was also talking up his tabloid deal that's now at the center of a trial over whether or not he broke campaign finance laws. you can see on the screen other people in the room. so a lot that we're learning and this is just the first week of testimony. we'll be right back. to
after they left, trump asked about the karen mcdougal situation and thanked him for it. comey spoke out about all this. take a listen. >> i was alone with the president of the united states. or the president-elect, soon to be president. i was honestly concerned he might lie about the nature of our meeting so i thought it really important to document. >> he did document that meeting. it was one of the many things he told congress and later investigators about. what we're learning...
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mcdougal google's silence being bought for $150,000. that would have been and i forget if i don't know if it was the prosecution or mr. packer, but tabloid gold was the term that was used because people who read the national enquirer would have bought a lot of copies of it to read the story about donald j. trump, and 1998 play of the year pecker was the first witness on the stand for four days what do you know having researched this so much for your book and for the article about karen mcdougal, what do you know about david pecker and his relationship with donald trump that the jury did not here well, one thing is that it was a wider, deeper relationship than is being admitted into this case. there was a safe that contained a lot of materials about trump those materials moved locations several times over the course of disk becoming an electoral issue. there was a list that i was shown by a senior ami source of trump's stories, not all of them terribly consequential. some of them were his feud with rosie o'donnell, but some of them were
mcdougal google's silence being bought for $150,000. that would have been and i forget if i don't know if it was the prosecution or mr. packer, but tabloid gold was the term that was used because people who read the national enquirer would have bought a lot of copies of it to read the story about donald j. trump, and 1998 play of the year pecker was the first witness on the stand for four days what do you know having researched this so much for your book and for the article about karen...
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who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution has put in a few things about he's a challenging kind of client for that bank guy. pecker thinks he exaggerates. so the jury, i'm sure, is very curious to see this guy. and i think the da's main task, they have laid the tracks well, but they know that cohen is coming. their main task is between hicks, between pecker, and then the paperwork is to corroborate every single hole so at the end of the day, they can get up and say, look, michael cohen, first of all, you can believe him for these reasons, but even if you don't, every single piece. but i bet bac
who it a love affair with karen mcdougal. it wasn't michael cohen. >> al this last witness is because they know they are going to try to say it was michael cohen who did this personally. >> he department benefit at all. i'm trying to pick up on the common sense thing. >> let me just say a cohen point right now, both sides the defense has take a call of calling him cohen instead of the first name and trying to dirty him up in a sort of opportunity toir way. even the prosecution...
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deal and just to remind folks, the karen mcdougal deal, this was a playboy playmate who alleged having a ten to 11 month relationship with donald trump. she had a story and what happened was that the tabloid magnate david pecker in ami, his company hired her. i gave her $150,000 to write a column for a different magazine in their end-to-end prior, i think it was health or health and fitness or something like that. she never wrote anything. she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david pecker had an election attorney look at this. this deal was going on. >> i think right before the 2016 election as well. yeah. well, it the implication would be that there was no actual election law violation as a result of these types of deals. right. so he has a lawyer ticket over. apparently the lawyer blessed it. right. and the deal with stormy daniels is strictly shuffle actually very, very similar, right? so that's sort of the implication. i don't think it actually is that potent of an observation. i don't i doubt we're going to hear from that lawyer in the course of this trial, which would be
deal and just to remind folks, the karen mcdougal deal, this was a playboy playmate who alleged having a ten to 11 month relationship with donald trump. she had a story and what happened was that the tabloid magnate david pecker in ami, his company hired her. i gave her $150,000 to write a column for a different magazine in their end-to-end prior, i think it was health or health and fitness or something like that. she never wrote anything. she was paid $150,000 but they had apparently david...
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mcdougall story that he does believe that he violated federal election law so we had three different witnesses take the stand so far today right now we are going over the history of this banker gary pharaoh from first public bank they're asking about his dealings with michael cohen we will keep you updated minute buy minute and we send it back to you. >> we know you will thank you and we expect to see the former president shortly we are watching for that so what are the big takeaways from today's test money with us now the former assistant u.s. attorney and fox news contributor and mccarthy and former deputy assistant andy dupree thank you so much for joining us we do await the departure of the former president possibly any moment now but we have yet to see on this particular day it be adjourned so anti- to you first you have been watching every minute of this what has struck you so far today? >> the last part of the report we just heard i think is the most important part which is that the judge is obviously allowing the state to argue or to introduce evidence of the state of mind of
mcdougall story that he does believe that he violated federal election law so we had three different witnesses take the stand so far today right now we are going over the history of this banker gary pharaoh from first public bank they're asking about his dealings with michael cohen we will keep you updated minute buy minute and we send it back to you. >> we know you will thank you and we expect to see the former president shortly we are watching for that so what are the big takeaways from...
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mcdougall and stormy daniels the karen mcdougall information includes addresses old addresses phone numbers the stormy daniels contact that former president trump had was just her phone number so all of this is unfolding just now and prior to that david packer on the stand where lawyers for president trump had it one more opportunity to ask him any questions they asked him about a conciliation agreement between american media and the federal election commission the he said he did not thank you was doing anything wrong in 2016 but he did say earlier today that he thinks he violated federal election law in his handling of the karen mcdougall story packer also asked if he thinks trump cares about his family and pecker said yes which is notable because remember yesterday he said he never spoke to trump about his family in handling the stories and that he believed the motivation was campaign related prior to that line of questioning the da office at another opportunity to question him, joshua stein glass and pecker said no, he has told the truth to the best of his ability he went through
mcdougall and stormy daniels the karen mcdougall information includes addresses old addresses phone numbers the stormy daniels contact that former president trump had was just her phone number so all of this is unfolding just now and prior to that david packer on the stand where lawyers for president trump had it one more opportunity to ask him any questions they asked him about a conciliation agreement between american media and the federal election commission the he said he did not thank you...
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karen mcdougal not only physical addresses but also phone numbers, and then a cell phone number for, quote, stormy. and this is the most significant here is that she said that she had, quote, vague recollection that stormy daniels who she knew was an adult film star, she has a, quote, vague recollection about her appearing at one point before the 2016 elections inside of the trump tower offices. what exactly does that mean? it is not clear. but she is currently answering questions here from the prosecution she is also confirming contacts that she was the assistant to donald trump, somebody who just almost always with him at trump tower was able to confirm the records that she was keeping on his behalf as well as documents. already they are having her verify e-mails between her and the executive assistant in 2017 to donald trump at the white house helping her essentially transition with somebody to serving in the formal capacity inside the white house. this is notable that she is confirming that she did keep documents and phone numbers as well as an address for karen mcdougal and phon
karen mcdougal not only physical addresses but also phone numbers, and then a cell phone number for, quote, stormy. and this is the most significant here is that she said that she had, quote, vague recollection that stormy daniels who she knew was an adult film star, she has a, quote, vague recollection about her appearing at one point before the 2016 elections inside of the trump tower offices. what exactly does that mean? it is not clear. but she is currently answering questions here from the...
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there is a chance that karen mcdougal could take the stand here. so you have been watching all of this, katie, what are your thoughts? at this point. to go i am of course always looking at the political side of all of this. there was an interesting poll that came out yesterday saying even if trump were convicted in the specific case, 62% of people say it would not affect their vote. 15% of people say that it would encourage them to vote for him if he were to be convicted. than about 20% of people that say invite and encourage them not to vote for him. so while we are all watching this the american people are paying attention to this very specific case. a lot of people have argued that president trump is going to be able on the campaign trail as he has to say i am a victim of this but i think the broader argument as he could say democrats are using the justice system to go after their political opponents by all of the analysis we have heard by our excellent legal analyst so far in this case, they don't yet have evidence trump knew about these paymen
there is a chance that karen mcdougal could take the stand here. so you have been watching all of this, katie, what are your thoughts? at this point. to go i am of course always looking at the political side of all of this. there was an interesting poll that came out yesterday saying even if trump were convicted in the specific case, 62% of people say it would not affect their vote. 15% of people say that it would encourage them to vote for him if he were to be convicted. than about 20% of...
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but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to start with you because you're a defense attorney and you're new to this table. it's a challenge, right, no matter how many times the defense keeps going back and back and back to david pecker, trying to show this wasn't about the campaign, which is what you did, this is standard operating procedure, they said that over and over and over again yesterday. let me give you one of the later pieces of back and forth, and this is steinglass trying to, again, disprove that bove had just done, the defense attorney. how many, meaning of these stories, did you coordinate with a presidential candidate for the benefit o
but the prosecution got the last word before lunch, getting pecker to admit that karen mcdougal's story would have been "national enquirer" gold, and his decision not to run it was purely to help donald trump. joining me now, nbc's vaughn hillyard outside the courthouse, former federal prosecutor paul butler is back with me. former assistant new york attorney general tristan snell is in studio, and jeremy soland, criminal defense attorney and former manhattan prosecutor. i'm going to...
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but on the stand he revealed the president did not want to buy karen mcdougal's story telling him not to purchase it saying such scandalous stories always get out anyway and pecker said he never dealt with president trump on it directly but with his lawyer, michael cohen, when negotiating with mcdougall. pecker said he asked about lots of stories about celebrities including quashing an alleged affair of arnold schwarzenegger, tiger woods, and emmanuel ran mia among others. so when mcdougall came knocking to be paid to pecker said it was another routine celebrity sex scandal that happened to touch on his pal donald trump. we also got a preview of the trump defense strategy to attack the credibility of his former close aide and lawyer michael cohen expected to be there prosecution's star witness in a couple of weeks. trump's lawyer asked pecker all about michael cohen suggesting he is "prone to exaggeration" and he said you cannot trust anything michael cohen says as he raised that issue prosecutors objected to that. so far there has been no direct evidence the former president was actu
but on the stand he revealed the president did not want to buy karen mcdougal's story telling him not to purchase it saying such scandalous stories always get out anyway and pecker said he never dealt with president trump on it directly but with his lawyer, michael cohen, when negotiating with mcdougall. pecker said he asked about lots of stories about celebrities including quashing an alleged affair of arnold schwarzenegger, tiger woods, and emmanuel ran mia among others. so when mcdougall...
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that's largely about karen mcdougal. there's a passing reference to stormy daniels in the story, but that is, that is a story that was published in the aftermath of access hollywood right before the election that was really back here, mcdougal now, the prosecutor is getting back into the notion of stormy daniels, and that is why so much of david pecker's testimony is about mcdougal or the doorman because that's what ami was involved with. i actually the stormy daniels thing, as we know, pecker said he wanted no part of that. is magazine is at walmart and that will look so good or what have you. and then this is on michael cohen and donald trump dissolve. and so they want to i guess the prosecutors now, if you look here, pecker says of daniel, sorry, that he wasn't going to print it or buy it or be associated with they wanted him to reassess sir that this issue, stormy daniels, which is what all the paperwork in this case is about those payments. that squarely in donald trump's lap via michael cohen were standing by to ge
that's largely about karen mcdougal. there's a passing reference to stormy daniels in the story, but that is, that is a story that was published in the aftermath of access hollywood right before the election that was really back here, mcdougal now, the prosecutor is getting back into the notion of stormy daniels, and that is why so much of david pecker's testimony is about mcdougal or the doorman because that's what ami was involved with. i actually the stormy daniels thing, as we know, pecker...
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that the real intent of it was to buy karen mcdougal's silence. that is really important because this trial will come down to was there a crime concealed, and that's what we're all looking for, and they were trying to say, well, hang on, that wasn't a crime what happened, she did some stuff, and she got paid. i thought that, to me, was really important and on redirect, the government's lawyers came back in and kept asking pecker about it, and he kept saying over and over, sure, she did some stuff, but the real purpose of that was to silence her, and in fact, he ended up paying a fine to the federal election commission for that payment for -- because a corporation got involved in an election when they shouldn't have. >> one point when bove, kristy greenberg, was really it seemed again -- i'm reading the document. that's why i'm asking you folks who were actually in there, when bove was talking to pecker and challenging his interpretation of some of the things that happened, it ended essentially with pecker saying, you know, i'm trying to tell the t
that the real intent of it was to buy karen mcdougal's silence. that is really important because this trial will come down to was there a crime concealed, and that's what we're all looking for, and they were trying to say, well, hang on, that wasn't a crime what happened, she did some stuff, and she got paid. i thought that, to me, was really important and on redirect, the government's lawyers came back in and kept asking pecker about it, and he kept saying over and over, sure, she did some...
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pecker, that your purpose in lob -- locking up the karen mcdougal story is to influence the election? that's trying to bring it back to the connection to the elections since during cross-examination he was certainly acknowledging he had a longstanding relationship with the tabloid and that there were years and years before the campaign when they were both promoting trump's interests and covering up embarrassing stories. >> the prosecution has to do everything that he can to bring it back to -- it makes this case a felony, that donald trump conspired to promote his election by unlawful means. if they allow the defense to create reasonable doubt in that one juror, this was business as usual, this is what donald trump did with pecker, even before the election, this is what they do, where is the illegalness in this? the prosecution -- this is the first witness. we have a long way to go. in their summation, the prosecutors have to connect all the dots and explain to this jury why they have proven that donald trump concealed a crime when he falsified the business records. if they don't prov
pecker, that your purpose in lob -- locking up the karen mcdougal story is to influence the election? that's trying to bring it back to the connection to the elections since during cross-examination he was certainly acknowledging he had a longstanding relationship with the tabloid and that there were years and years before the campaign when they were both promoting trump's interests and covering up embarrassing stories. >> the prosecution has to do everything that he can to bring it back...
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>> that david pecker was killed in the catch and kill stories including karen mcdougal and other catch and kill stories, that he was at meetings when these were discussed, but when it came to stormy daniels, he backed out, for a reason that actually was, you know, really silly in that he was never reimbursed or never paid back and he didn't want to get involved with a porn star according to his own testimony because of contracts he had with walmart. that's why the people are calling him. what the defense is trying to do in cross examination is create separation. okay, there may have been this karen mcdougal arrangement there may have been this 2015 meeting, there may have been this catch and kill with a doorman, but you were not involved in the whole stormy daniels saga, so therefore you don't have valuable information about that. look, there are not a lot of options for cross examination. i've been thinking about it entirely during his direct testimony. where would the defense go? and they can only go to the classics, his ability to remember, his moative in that he has an agreement or
>> that david pecker was killed in the catch and kill stories including karen mcdougal and other catch and kill stories, that he was at meetings when these were discussed, but when it came to stormy daniels, he backed out, for a reason that actually was, you know, really silly in that he was never reimbursed or never paid back and he didn't want to get involved with a porn star according to his own testimony because of contracts he had with walmart. that's why the people are calling him....
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he bought the rights to karen mcdougal's claim that she had had a 10-month long affair with trump. he also testified that trump did not want that purchase to go through. that's a direct conflict with and contradiction of alvin bragg's whole theory that trump orchestrated the alleged election interference scheme to help his presidential prospects. pecker told the jury he told trump that mcdougal's story should be taken off the market. he said that trump told him he doesn't buy stories because trump told him they always get out. pecker then pushed trump so trump said he would talk to michael cohen. there was no direct order from trump to pecker to buy the story and no demand the shut mcdougal up to help protect trump's campaign. pecker said in a later phone call he told him it was mcdougal who did not want her story to come out and signed the contract to restart her career to let her write articles and appear in pecker's other publications and how ami, america media incorporated did just that. they published help tip coll amends and exercise columns and put her on the cover of men's
he bought the rights to karen mcdougal's claim that she had had a 10-month long affair with trump. he also testified that trump did not want that purchase to go through. that's a direct conflict with and contradiction of alvin bragg's whole theory that trump orchestrated the alleged election interference scheme to help his presidential prospects. pecker told the jury he told trump that mcdougal's story should be taken off the market. he said that trump told him he doesn't buy stories because...
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vaughn, trump's lawyer has been asking pecker about his negotiations with karen mcdougal. what are they getting at? >> reporter: this is all part of the effort here from the defense team to make the case to the jury that this was a long-standing practice on the part of the "national enquirer" to buy up stories and workshop them, make sure to see whether they were true or not, but also to put out other negative stories about other celebrities or politicians medical record to help boost sales because they are a company that is trying to drive publications sales and make money, and when it comes specifically to karen mcdougal, there is an exchange here where emil bove, donald trump's attorney asks her, quote, when you first learned about this, you understand ms. mcdougal did not want to publish. what she wanted was to restart her career, and ami could help her, to which david pecker responded, yes. what they are trying to lay out is that david pecker was not initially engaging with karen mcdougal in an effort to, you know, keep her from going public because she never intended
vaughn, trump's lawyer has been asking pecker about his negotiations with karen mcdougal. what are they getting at? >> reporter: this is all part of the effort here from the defense team to make the case to the jury that this was a long-standing practice on the part of the "national enquirer" to buy up stories and workshop them, make sure to see whether they were true or not, but also to put out other negative stories about other celebrities or politicians medical record to help...
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trump wanted to talk about karen mcdougal. how's our girl doing? i want to thank you for handling the mcdougal situation. months later mcdougal appeared on television. pecker said trump called him to complain. i thought you had and we had an agreement with karen mcdougal that she can't give interviews. pecker said top white house aides hope hicks and sara huckabee sanders called in, too. both said it was a good idea for the enquirer to extend mcdougal's contract. defense portrayed these kinds of arrangements as routines, standard operating procedure for a tabloid. under cross-examination pecker testified he paid to spike a story about rom emanual during his run for mayor of chicago and strong armed tiger woods into appearing in one of his fitness magazines by using an unflattering story as leverage. >> it was breath taking. amazing testimony. >> reporter: the defense argues trump wanted to bury stories to protect his family but pecker testified otherwise. once trump started running for president did he ever say anything that indicated that he was c
trump wanted to talk about karen mcdougal. how's our girl doing? i want to thank you for handling the mcdougal situation. months later mcdougal appeared on television. pecker said trump called him to complain. i thought you had and we had an agreement with karen mcdougal that she can't give interviews. pecker said top white house aides hope hicks and sara huckabee sanders called in, too. both said it was a good idea for the enquirer to extend mcdougal's contract. defense portrayed these kinds...
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and was asking him, how's karen doing referring to karen mcdougal? >> what trump's team has been trying to do today, and it may seem in the weeds, but it's important it is to undermine what they were saying about the mcdougal agreement, saying actually she did benefit from it because she had these columns published by ami publications that had her name on it to have benefited her career. they're arguing they're saying that they believe they misled michael cohen on whether that agreement with karen mcdougal is bullet-proof. they're basically trying to undermine that. this is all this big cover up and beauvais is asking pecker about that testimony. you were just talking about yesterday, when pecker said trump thanked him for the doorman's story, kristen, you talk to trump sources all day long. what have you been hearing from them as they watch by the way? because obviously there are no cameras in the courtroom. my impression from some trump people as they're watching what we put on the screen and what we've put on cnn.com, beauvais, tip pecker, quote,
and was asking him, how's karen doing referring to karen mcdougal? >> what trump's team has been trying to do today, and it may seem in the weeds, but it's important it is to undermine what they were saying about the mcdougal agreement, saying actually she did benefit from it because she had these columns published by ami publications that had her name on it to have benefited her career. they're arguing they're saying that they believe they misled michael cohen on whether that agreement...
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today defense attorney for the former president will try and show that buying karen mcdougal's story was routine. he will continue his cross examination of david pecker to try to demolish alvin bragg's case against the former president. pecker has taken the stand now day four of his testimony. he said he still considers him a friend of trump's and testified about the catch and kill deal to protect the former president running as a candidate in 2016. he said he and trump for years had swapped salacious stories and tips and killed those stories in the "national enquirer" for decades. he bought stories to kill about alleged affairs from arnold schwarzenegger and tiger woods and others. when karen mcdougal wanted to get paid for her story it was business to buy that and kill it, too, he said. under cross examination trump's lawyer tried to shake pecker's memory asking how many meetings has he had with prosecutors? pecker, i don't have my calendar in front of me. it's hard to remember the dates of these things even when they hap end just a few months ago? pecker told the jury after he was
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donald trump is asking a lot about karen mcdougal, this former playboy playmate. what impression does that leave the jury? >> well, sort of no using a worn-out analogy of the godfather here. if you think about the godfather sitting back and just sort of asking these benign questions, showing some interest in what's going on without maybe given the command to do the bad de or to continue to say well out of thinking about this, and this has been a very good idea. you've had there without actually giving the affirmative statement to go do something that's sort of what we're seeing. and i think that's going to be the argument the prosecution has to make you because there is no question michael cohen is the man in the middle doing the work. i mean, he's out there talking to david pecker and doing checks and running accounts. and i mean, that's his thing. and so he's gonna have his own problems on cross, but this, this effort by the prosecution makes a lot of sense to me whether it's successful, we'll see, but they have to tie trump for this. yeah, we can talk about tha
donald trump is asking a lot about karen mcdougal, this former playboy playmate. what impression does that leave the jury? >> well, sort of no using a worn-out analogy of the godfather here. if you think about the godfather sitting back and just sort of asking these benign questions, showing some interest in what's going on without maybe given the command to do the bad de or to continue to say well out of thinking about this, and this has been a very good idea. you've had there without...
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glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that. >> was the meat and bones of the prosecution's case in terms the idea that this was all tied to the campaign, that this wasn't a personal thing that wasn't what rudy giuliani is to talk about it. oh, was just disparate as family the embarrassment. >> no the entire criminal congruent between ami and donald trump threw my cohen was to assist the campaign to catch and kill these stories for the purpose of assist in this campaign. >> david pecker himself knew very well this was a campaign finance violations, but here's the catch. >> we're not charging him in new york wit
glas says, why did ami and make this purchase of karen mcdougal story? pecker says, we purchased a story so it won't be published by any or other organization steinglass asked why did you not want it to be published by any other organization? pecker says, i didn't want we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt that campaign? hurt the campaign. bradley, first to you, why that focus, how much damage did it do to trump as we approach cross this morning yeah no that....
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. >> reporter: pecker also testified about an agreement with former "playboy" model karen mcdougal, who said she had a 10-month affair with trump, which he denies. pecker acknowledged ami, which then owned the "enquirer," paid $150,000 for her story just weeks before the election and never published it. >> if donald trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami, knowing what you know now? >> probably not, no. >> reporter: in his testimony, pecker said the payment orchestrated with michael cohen was done because they didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or hurt the campaign. pecker said he asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded, "the boss," meaning trump, "will take care of it." meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer, rudy giuliani, and chief of staff mark meadows, were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump as the 2020 winner. >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump, himself, was named as an un-indicted co-conspirator. pecker also made a
. >> reporter: pecker also testified about an agreement with former "playboy" model karen mcdougal, who said she had a 10-month affair with trump, which he denies. pecker acknowledged ami, which then owned the "enquirer," paid $150,000 for her story just weeks before the election and never published it. >> if donald trump hadn't been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami, knowing what you know now? >> probably not,...
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karen mcdougal was doing. in other words, was she sufficiently happy to keep others quiet? when she wasn't, at a point in time after she had sued the "enquirer" and wanted to be released from her non-disclosure agreement, trump was furious to see the interview with anderson cooper. pecker recounted that information, as well, willie. >> it's interesting. shorthand for this trial for some has been the stomy daniels hush money case, but karen mcdougal was the focus yesterday. $150,000 that mr. pecker says he paid. hired her for a job. it was kind of a no-show job as a fitness writer, something like that. how does karen mcdougal factor into this case? how central is she? >> karen mcdougal is not central to the crime itself. remember, again, the manhattan d.a. has charged donald trump with falsification of business records. but what makes it a felony, according to the d.a., is that those business records were falsified with the intent to either commit or conceal a crime. they have now elaborated on that theory. bas
karen mcdougal was doing. in other words, was she sufficiently happy to keep others quiet? when she wasn't, at a point in time after she had sued the "enquirer" and wanted to be released from her non-disclosure agreement, trump was furious to see the interview with anderson cooper. pecker recounted that information, as well, willie. >> it's interesting. shorthand for this trial for some has been the stomy daniels hush money case, but karen mcdougal was the focus yesterday....
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it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue. and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much. and i but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with playable arguably, but at some point the notion so i was involved in the scheme to make an illegal campaign donation and i was involved in this scheme two it's sort of to pay off michael cohen, but i wasn't involved in the part about how it was booked in my company's records. now, arguably, that is the defense, that is their best defense. but at some point, if he's involved in all the other parts of this scheme, i think it's reasonable to say, well, maybe he was involved in this part of it was checking to make sure that the payment was made in cash that does sort of point to a level of interest in t
it's karen mcdougal. they're talking about and he just keeps go i don't know. what do we get. and cohen says leave it to me and alan. i got it. no, no, no, you don't worry. i'm handling that's the crowd that that would be what i would argue. and i'm sorry, please. >> the province at some point it starts to look like it's just not credible that i can see this much and i can see this much. and i but i won't concede this. right. i was involved in the scheme that i'm now conceding with...
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we paid $150,000 to karen mcdougal, i am not a bank. we're not epeeing out any further dispersements. pecker testified he ultimately suggested trump himself should be the one to pay for the third catch and kill payment on trump's behalf, the one for stormy daniels. that gets us to the most important part of david pecker's testimony, which is why trump was so concerned about keeping these negative stories about himself quiet. this is important because paying someone hush money, paying someone to not say a distasteful thing about you is not a crime. prosecutors are alleging that the hush money payments in this case were used to influence the election. they were an illegal contribution to trump's campaign, and then they say trump covered up the payments by creating false records to make them look like legal fees. again, from our reporters notes today, steinglass, prosecutor, did you ever have any intention of printing karen mcdougal's story about mr. trump. pecker, no we did not. steinglass, was your purpose to influence the election? >> y
we paid $150,000 to karen mcdougal, i am not a bank. we're not epeeing out any further dispersements. pecker testified he ultimately suggested trump himself should be the one to pay for the third catch and kill payment on trump's behalf, the one for stormy daniels. that gets us to the most important part of david pecker's testimony, which is why trump was so concerned about keeping these negative stories about himself quiet. this is important because paying someone hush money, paying someone to...
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mcdougal, to keep her affair with trump quiet. packer said he coordinated with colin, because they concerned -- worried that paying mcdougall could violate campaign finance laws so they worked out a deal, adding that he believed trump was aware of the payment. the prosecution asked david pecker, was a principal purpose to suppress your story so as not to influence the election? transition responded "yes it was." >> with peter baker, mike joseph stern, and joyce vance with us. let's start with the fact that the day began before david pecker got back on the stand with the manhattan d.a.s office saying that there are four alleged violations, brand-new ones, of the expanded gag order that judge merchan is setting a hearing on for next thursday. we don't have a ruling from the first motion for contempt, so what's the delay from judge merchan? we have four new violations now. >> we do. we have ongoing violations and the issue that the judge faces is either this gag order has teeth and he will enforce it, or it does not in which case, do
mcdougal, to keep her affair with trump quiet. packer said he coordinated with colin, because they concerned -- worried that paying mcdougall could violate campaign finance laws so they worked out a deal, adding that he believed trump was aware of the payment. the prosecution asked david pecker, was a principal purpose to suppress your story so as not to influence the election? transition responded "yes it was." >> with peter baker, mike joseph stern, and joyce vance with us....
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i mean, the he had an independent business relationship with karen mcdougal. she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines he i don't know why he wanted to do that, and obviously, trump did know why either and he was and you seem to be off donald trump. >> what's up and down that well it's not the first time. >> what i think is also significant about these passages is that it shows direct contact between david pecker and donald trump a lot of data pecker's testimony was going through michael cohen, the vast majority of its communications about karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. we're through michael cohen, but as prosecutor, you want to be able to point to these exact excerpts and say donald trump himself knew what was going on. it was very invested and not just conversation, direct conversations, but conversations and statements saying like, we have an agreement with stormy daniels, according to pecker, which gets to donald trump's state of mind that he knew there were these agreements in place because they refer his benefit. and that's the thi
i mean, the he had an independent business relationship with karen mcdougal. she was a columnist for one of his outdoor fitness magazines he i don't know why he wanted to do that, and obviously, trump did know why either and he was and you seem to be off donald trump. >> what's up and down that well it's not the first time. >> what i think is also significant about these passages is that it shows direct contact between david pecker and donald trump a lot of data pecker's testimony...
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did that apply to karen mcdougal as well? yes. did he ever say he was currently -- concerned about his family? no." lisa rubin was in the courtroom, today. we don't have a proper transcript yet so we are piecing this together. the way that we cut and paste that together, is that true to what it felt like in courtroom proceedings today? >> it was to what it felt like but there were also a number of other explosive moments and to my mind, the biggest thing was david admission that he understood the payment to karen mcdougal was an unlawful campaign contribution and he understood that in real time, not after the fact. how? his own entanglement with arnold schwarzenegger, who was then going to be running for governor of california. he had a catch and kill scheme of his own with arnold schwarzenegger, who had been on the cover of two magazines that david pecker was acquiring, 70 or 80 times. the owner of this magazines said before we close these deals, you have to talk to arnold. arnold said, i'm a big deal with these magazines and i w
did that apply to karen mcdougal as well? yes. did he ever say he was currently -- concerned about his family? no." lisa rubin was in the courtroom, today. we don't have a proper transcript yet so we are piecing this together. the way that we cut and paste that together, is that true to what it felt like in courtroom proceedings today? >> it was to what it felt like but there were also a number of other explosive moments and to my mind, the biggest thing was david admission that he...
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between karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. he talks about not wanting to get involved in stormy daniels. he says, i am not purchasing this tour i am not going to be involved with a porn star. as i've suddenly this is a line. he's going to draw it. i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal implications t lawyers, he consulted campaign finance experts he has seemed to be spooked by what he had just done for karen mcdougal and didn't want to do it again, i are represented are keith davidson. he's going to be a key witness in his trial. he's the one who negotiated the ndas with mcdougal and with stormy and the timeline is professor kim knows is crucial in any prosecution in august of 2016, keith david rohde will say this is public, that he had a meeting with dylan howard who unfortunately is not a key witness, has been brought u
between karen mcdougal and stormy daniels. he talks about not wanting to get involved in stormy daniels. he says, i am not purchasing this tour i am not going to be involved with a porn star. as i've suddenly this is a line. he's going to draw it. i am not a bank and he says about michael cohen. michael cohen was really upset. he said that the boss would be furious at me, that i should go forward with purchasing it. he was also in other parts of his testimony, he was worried about the legal...
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doing referencing former playboy model karen mcdougall. pecker responded she is doing well, she is quiet, she is good here is trump after court. >> today you saw what was going on, it was breathtaking. this is a trial that should have never happened a case that should have never been filed. >> the das office also omitted for more examples this morning where prosecutors argued trump broke the quartz gag order. there will be a hearing next thursday about that. trump was not able to attend supreme court arguments about presidential immunity today. if the court operates as a normally does, justices will hold a -- hold a closed-door vote tomorrow. they can send it down for more action. the timeline certainly will be watched closely as the november election approaches. >> trace: that could delay things quite substantially. live for us in new york. let's bring in attorney... it's interesting because you look at this whole case and we get the notes out from the court. we have producers inside the court and some of the reporters inside there and th
doing referencing former playboy model karen mcdougall. pecker responded she is doing well, she is quiet, she is good here is trump after court. >> today you saw what was going on, it was breathtaking. this is a trial that should have never happened a case that should have never been filed. >> the das office also omitted for more examples this morning where prosecutors argued trump broke the quartz gag order. there will be a hearing next thursday about that. trump was not able to...
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trump that was going to extend karen mcdougal's contract? it was for six months. the contract was up and i felt that from the last lunch that i had with her that we had fulfilled some of the obligations that she was looking for, specifically her beauty products and media training. so i was going to send her a new contract he thought that was on our original conversation. he thought that that was also a bad idea. so when i received the second call, when i got the call back and hope hicks and huckabee sanders, huckabee that sarah sanders when she was on the call, i explained to them to the two of them why i was going to extend the agreement and both of them said they thought it was a good idea. prosecutor asked, what was the reason that you gave for why you wanted to extend karen mcdougal's contract. pecker says, i wanted to extend or contract so she would not go out, not give any further interviews, are talked to the press, or say negative comments about american media or mr. trump? now you said that when you had your individual conversation with mr. trump, he was
trump that was going to extend karen mcdougal's contract? it was for six months. the contract was up and i felt that from the last lunch that i had with her that we had fulfilled some of the obligations that she was looking for, specifically her beauty products and media training. so i was going to send her a new contract he thought that was on our original conversation. he thought that that was also a bad idea. so when i received the second call, when i got the call back and hope hicks and...
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now, he said that when a former playboy model, karen mcdougal, was shopping her story about an alleged affair with donald trump, that michael cohen directed him to pay her $150,000 to suppress her story. he said the boss — meaning donald trump — would take care of the payment. but then, david pecker said his counsel advised him against being reimbursed, and he said that they thought it was a campaign finance violation, that payment. so, david pecker, when it came to being told about stormy daniels and her story, he said that he refused to pay her $130,000 to buy her story, instead telling michael cohen that "the boss would probably want him" — cohen, "to buy it to suppress the story". but then, we heard from the defence and in their questioning, they really sought to get pecker to really characterise the catch and kill scheme, as prosecutors have put it as standard operating procedure for a tabloid and not a criminal conspiracy that violated electoral laws. the defence asked him about that and he said yes, they often did buy stories and not publish them, and that he often suppres
now, he said that when a former playboy model, karen mcdougal, was shopping her story about an alleged affair with donald trump, that michael cohen directed him to pay her $150,000 to suppress her story. he said the boss — meaning donald trump — would take care of the payment. but then, david pecker said his counsel advised him against being reimbursed, and he said that they thought it was a campaign finance violation, that payment. so, david pecker, when it came to being told about stormy...
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. >> reporter: pecker also testified about an agreement with former "playboy" model karen mcdougal, who says she had a ten-month affair with trump, which he denies. pecker acknowledged ami, which then owned the "enquirer," paid $150,000 for her story, just weeks before the election, and never published it. >> if donald trump had not been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami, knowing what you know now? >> probably not, no. >> reporter: in his testimony, pecker said the payment orchestrated with michael cohen was done because they didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or hurt the campaign. pecker said he asked cohen who would foot the bill. he responded the boss, meaning trump, will take care of it. meanwhile, trump's legal challenges expanded overnight. his former lawyer rudy giuliani and chief of staff mark meadows were among more than a dozen people indicted in a scheme in arizona to falsely declare trump as the 2020 winner. >> donald j. trump. >> reporter: trump himself was named as an unindicted coconspirator. pecker also made a stunnin
. >> reporter: pecker also testified about an agreement with former "playboy" model karen mcdougal, who says she had a ten-month affair with trump, which he denies. pecker acknowledged ami, which then owned the "enquirer," paid $150,000 for her story, just weeks before the election, and never published it. >> if donald trump had not been running for president, do you believe this deal would have been made with ami, knowing what you know now? >> probably...
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mcdougal who said she had an affair with donald trump which donald trump denies. he said he paid one hunt $50,000 to her because -- $150,000 to her. but then his legal advisor advised against it and he knew the payments phyletic campaign-finance laws. then when he detailed the hearing about stormy daniels selling her story, he says he urged michael cohen to make the payment himself. he was just unwilling to make the payment in that case, he said, and that is kind of where we saw this go, caitriona. david packer for the prosecution outlining the scheme and the cover-up, sing donald trump spoke to him many times afterward, asking about why the women for example had given interviews when there was an agreement with them not to. then the defense was able to start questioning of david packer. he testified this checkbook journalism, paying to suppress stories, was standard operating procedure and he had done it with several celebrities including tiger woods and arnold schwarzenegger. caitriona: thank you. gary, this a big moment for donald trump at the supreme court, al
mcdougal who said she had an affair with donald trump which donald trump denies. he said he paid one hunt $50,000 to her because -- $150,000 to her. but then his legal advisor advised against it and he knew the payments phyletic campaign-finance laws. then when he detailed the hearing about stormy daniels selling her story, he says he urged michael cohen to make the payment himself. he was just unwilling to make the payment in that case, he said, and that is kind of where we saw this go,...
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meaning how is karen mcdougal. david pecker said he told trump in response thing for going fine, that she was staying quiet. david pecker says trump asked about her again that summer when he invited david pecker to come to the white house. david pecker says trump asked him, "how is karen doing?" he says he told trump she's quiet, everything is going good. david pecker said that he finally had to put his foot down on any additional payments for trump because trump was not paying him back like he said he would , first for a doorman from a trump party, who made a wild claim about a supposed it trump love child, then for karen mcdougal. again, david pecker expected to be paid back by trump for that payment. trump did not pay him back. this is from a reporter's notes from the trial today. david pecker told his editor, "we already pay $30,000.00 to doorman. we paid $150,000 ever since two karen mcdougal. i am not a bank. we are not paying out any further disbursements . david pecker testified he ultimately suggested trum
meaning how is karen mcdougal. david pecker said he told trump in response thing for going fine, that she was staying quiet. david pecker says trump asked about her again that summer when he invited david pecker to come to the white house. david pecker says trump asked him, "how is karen doing?" he says he told trump she's quiet, everything is going good. david pecker said that he finally had to put his foot down on any additional payments for trump because trump was not paying him...
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first with the playboy model, karen mcdougal. david packer on the stand said he had agreed with michael cohen to pay karen mcdougal at the direction of donald trump $150,000 to buy her story about an alleged affair. one of donald trump denies. michael cohen had a sheet -- had assured him that the bus will take care of it. he will be paid. but then david packer said after speaking to his general counsel about being reimbursed, he was told it was not a good idea. he told michael cohen, don't reimburse me. it is a bad idea. the deal is off. then we use the prosecution to bridge to the stormy daniels payment and tried to explain why, as they alledge, michael cohen made the payment to stormy daniels at donald trump's direction. that was one piece of it. but back to this issue of intent. you just have david packer placing donald trump's concerns about the election at the forefront of all of their conversations. even says after-the-fact that a dinner at the white house thinking, that donald trump asked david packer how is karen? when bo
first with the playboy model, karen mcdougal. david packer on the stand said he had agreed with michael cohen to pay karen mcdougal at the direction of donald trump $150,000 to buy her story about an alleged affair. one of donald trump denies. michael cohen had a sheet -- had assured him that the bus will take care of it. he will be paid. but then david packer said after speaking to his general counsel about being reimbursed, he was told it was not a good idea. he told michael cohen, don't...
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pecker also discussed in earlier scheme involving former playboy model karen mcdougal. she alleged having a nearly year long relationship with trump, which the former president denies. pecker told the jury he would not have entered into the deal with mcdougal if it wasn't going to benefit trump's campaign saying, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. trump's attorney, emil beauvais, used his time cross-examining pecker to show how the mutually ben relationship between him and trump went back almost two decades before the 2016 election. he confirmed with pecker that he had been giving trump a heads-up about negative stories during that time, bove as pecker if it was standard operating procedure for media to work with politicians, including sometimes to win elections pecker replied, yes. >> today was breathtaking. this room. he went on, he was breathtaking and amazing testimony. before court, trump commented on pecker's testimony at a stop at a midtown construction site. prosecutors cited his words to the judge on thursday as
pecker also discussed in earlier scheme involving former playboy model karen mcdougal. she alleged having a nearly year long relationship with trump, which the former president denies. pecker told the jury he would not have entered into the deal with mcdougal if it wasn't going to benefit trump's campaign saying, we didn't want the story to embarrass mr. trump or embarrassed or hurt the campaign. trump's attorney, emil beauvais, used his time cross-examining pecker to show how the mutually ben...
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this is where pecker testified trump asked him how karen mcdougal is doing, how significant is that? >> well, i think it could be very significant wealth. i mean, i think that you're seeing right now earlier today, we saw trump's lawyers trying to say jazz, the david pecker is memory was faulty asking questions about contradictory answers he had given in different interviews with prosecutors. and i think that you will see he that is a theme, but to your point about the picture, there's documentation that backs up. what the story of the pecker is telling. there were a lot of references to text messages to email so the fact that pecker and those are supposed to speak to pecker's credibility. the fact that pecker is saying that he had this conversation with trump where trump was knowledgeable enough about karen mcdougal to ask, how is she doing? i think could end up being significant. they also elicited the prosecutors will from david pecker, an answer about essentially his motivations where it was of animus for trump and david pecker is answer was he was my mentor. i'm paraphrasing, bu
this is where pecker testified trump asked him how karen mcdougal is doing, how significant is that? >> well, i think it could be very significant wealth. i mean, i think that you're seeing right now earlier today, we saw trump's lawyers trying to say jazz, the david pecker is memory was faulty asking questions about contradictory answers he had given in different interviews with prosecutors. and i think that you will see he that is a theme, but to your point about the picture, there's...
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is doing, karen mcdougall, purchased lifetime rights to the story alleging an affair with the former president and he said all of his dealings with michael cohen about the president's former lawyer for in that capacity is trump attorney, been part of trump's campaign so a busy day and will get back to it 9:30 a.m. tomorrow. >> thank you, it's good to see you. let's bring in former deputy assistant attorney general john yoo. great to see you again. your reaction to the report? it sounds like a lot of atmospherics and not a lot about the nuts and bolts and facts about the case. reasonable doubt problems. >> this is a good day for trump as you heard supreme court on media also in the courtroom today in new york city the reason is because book crime was actually committed by donald trump? the das trying to pretend donald trump violated federal election law. he corrected election 2016 using these campaign tactics but what you are hearing the witness today is supposed to be the strongest witness for the prosecution is that this is something celebrities do and pecker was doing a disservice
is doing, karen mcdougall, purchased lifetime rights to the story alleging an affair with the former president and he said all of his dealings with michael cohen about the president's former lawyer for in that capacity is trump attorney, been part of trump's campaign so a busy day and will get back to it 9:30 a.m. tomorrow. >> thank you, it's good to see you. let's bring in former deputy assistant attorney general john yoo. great to see you again. your reaction to the report? it sounds...
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mcdougal's contract it should be extended. >> so just to remind people, karen mcdougal is 1998 playmate of the year, who alleged she had a long term affair and part of the catch and kill was to give her $150,000, david pecker did to have her not tell her story publicly it was not a script pecker said going on to confirm he wasn't surprised by any questions from the prosecutor. that's about the separate issue about whether they're not the defense or the rather the prosecution has coached him. in any case, karen mcdougal had this contract. she was she got $150,000. they bought the rights to her story, including her alleged a with donald trump and then david pecker calls the white house. and so should we, should we extend her contract? pecker said both of them hope and serous anderes said that they thought it was a good idea. >> now those are taxpayer funded employees of ours, of the white house at the time giving recommendation that karen mcdougal's contracts should be extended? >> that's that's pretty interesting. >> i don't think either of them were thinking also about trump's family or
mcdougal's contract it should be extended. >> so just to remind people, karen mcdougal is 1998 playmate of the year, who alleged she had a long term affair and part of the catch and kill was to give her $150,000, david pecker did to have her not tell her story publicly it was not a script pecker said going on to confirm he wasn't surprised by any questions from the prosecutor. that's about the separate issue about whether they're not the defense or the rather the prosecution has coached...
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mcdougal quiet and there was a lunch between karen mcdougal and david pecker and the editor and chief of the "national enquirer" where they were discussing potentially how she could continue to elevate her role within the american media business empire, but while also not talking about donald trump, and so all throughout the first year of donald trump's administration, we as the public did not understand the lengths to which donald trump allegedly was working with michael cohen, with hope hicks, with now sarah huckabee sanders, to try to continue to keep the full story of these individuals alleged affairs and the alleged hush money payment to keep them silent before the 2016 election from the public not only in 2016 but 2017 and using the white house in 2018 as well. >> what's amazing, i hear that there is some activity behind you, vaughn, just look around to make sure you're still safe -- the talking about maybe this is just a trigger, a former white house staffer, but all of the invoking west wing communication staffers at the highest levels and here's what pecker said about jeff se
mcdougal quiet and there was a lunch between karen mcdougal and david pecker and the editor and chief of the "national enquirer" where they were discussing potentially how she could continue to elevate her role within the american media business empire, but while also not talking about donald trump, and so all throughout the first year of donald trump's administration, we as the public did not understand the lengths to which donald trump allegedly was working with michael cohen, with...