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deranged jack smith. the whole group of them. i think you will see some big changes being made. you know what we are going to be doing, right? saving america. our country is under siege. take a look at israel. it does not feel protected. and biden does not know where he is. it is a real mess. we will see what happens with that. >> [indiscernible] mr. trump: thank you. [indiscernible] [cheering and singing] [applause] [ chanting "u.s.a."] mr. trump: they come in with guns. that's not good. not the father of this movie star. forget about bodegas. you are going to be the next movie star. we are sending him to hollywood. goodbye, everybody. >> what are your plans for the rest of the day in new york? [indiscernible] [indiscernible chanting] mr. trump: we are doing values all over the place. we have never had higher numbers than now. highest numbers we have ever had, and you know. you record them. [indiscernible] pres. biden: i learned, nobody is looking for a handout. all anybody wants was a fair shot of making it. my dad had a saying, a job is more than a paycheck. it is about digni
deranged jack smith. the whole group of them. i think you will see some big changes being made. you know what we are going to be doing, right? saving america. our country is under siege. take a look at israel. it does not feel protected. and biden does not know where he is. it is a real mess. we will see what happens with that. >> [indiscernible] mr. trump: thank you. [indiscernible] [cheering and singing] [applause] [ chanting "u.s.a."] mr. trump: they come in with guns. that's...
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deranged jack smith, the whole group of them. i think you are going to see some big changes. you know what we are going to be doing, right? we will be saving america. our country is under siege. look at israel. it doesn't feel protected. it has biden, he doesn't know where he is, it's a real mess. >> how do you feel about speaker johnson? >> mr. president, how should israel respond? >> [chanting "usa ] >> they come in with guns. not good. not the father of this movie star. he's going to be a movie star, you know that. forget about bodegas, you're going to be a movie star, will send him to hollywood. goodbye, everybody. >> at your plan for the rest of the days in new york? mr. president? >> [chanting "fake news"] >> president trump, where else are you going to go? >> we are doing rallies all over the place, and we have never had higher numbers that we have right now. highest numbers we've ever had. you know because you reported. have a good time, everybody. president biden: i learned no one is looking for a handout, all anybody wants is a fair shot at making it and they deserv
deranged jack smith, the whole group of them. i think you are going to see some big changes. you know what we are going to be doing, right? we will be saving america. our country is under siege. look at israel. it doesn't feel protected. it has biden, he doesn't know where he is, it's a real mess. >> how do you feel about speaker johnson? >> mr. president, how should israel respond? >> [chanting "usa ] >> they come in with guns. not good. not the father of this...
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lawyers for special counsel jack smith, who is prosecuting trump for those efforts, arguing that presidents are not above the law if they commit crimes. the justices acknowledging the case before them is not just about former president donald trump, but also about future presidents and the presidency itself. one critical question they're considering, whether a president can have immunity for an official act, but not his private conduct. abc's terry moran leads us off at the supreme court. >> reporter: at the heart of this case, donald trump's unprecedented claim. his lawyer telling the justices that presidents can never face criminal prosecution for anything they do in office that can be linked to their official duties. absolute immunity. >> without presidential immunity from criminal prosecution, there can be no presidency as we know it. >> reporter: the sheer magnitude of that claim hung over the courtroom. several justices acknowledging the stakes. >> this case has huge implications for the presidency, for the future of the presidency, for the future of the country, in my view. >> whatev
lawyers for special counsel jack smith, who is prosecuting trump for those efforts, arguing that presidents are not above the law if they commit crimes. the justices acknowledging the case before them is not just about former president donald trump, but also about future presidents and the presidency itself. one critical question they're considering, whether a president can have immunity for an official act, but not his private conduct. abc's terry moran leads us off at the supreme court....
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. >> today's arguments stem from special prosecutor jack smith's criminal charges against trump of crimes related to his effort to overturn his 2020 election loss. trump argues he can't be prosecuted, claiming those actions were taken as president. >> the fact that the supreme court is even entertaining, that there's questions there is deeply troubling. >> a three judge panel previously struck down trump's immunity claims, saying a president should not have unbound authority to commit crimes, giving the example of assassinating a political rival. this, says the former president, faces three other criminal cases. >> the various cases pending against donald trump, in which he's raised the question of criminal immunity. the january 6th case, the mar-a-lago case and the georgia case. because for all of those, for at least part of the time he was president. >> meantime, in arizona, a grand jury appears to have indicted seven attorneys or aides affiliated with trump over alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election in that state. they include rudy giuliani, mark meadows, attorney john eastman,
. >> today's arguments stem from special prosecutor jack smith's criminal charges against trump of crimes related to his effort to overturn his 2020 election loss. trump argues he can't be prosecuted, claiming those actions were taken as president. >> the fact that the supreme court is even entertaining, that there's questions there is deeply troubling. >> a three judge panel previously struck down trump's immunity claims, saying a president should not have unbound authority...
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lawyers for special counsel jack smith argue no president is above the law. here's abc news reporter jay o'brien. >> this morning, the supreme court weighing former president trump's unprecedented claim. absolute presidential immunity. the argument the president can never face criminal prosecution for anything they do in office linked to their official duties without presidential immunity from criminal prosecution, there can be no presidency as we know it. the claim central to trump's defense in the january 6th case, brought by special counsel jack smith. trump asserting many of the election interference efforts smith alleges were official acts. liberal justices not buying the argument. >> the framers did not put an immunity clause into the constitution. wasn't the whole point that the president was not a monarch and the president was not supposed to be above the law. >> responding to justice sotomayor, trump's attorney, arguing a president assassinating a political rival they view as corrupt could even qualify as an official act and not be subject to crimina
lawyers for special counsel jack smith argue no president is above the law. here's abc news reporter jay o'brien. >> this morning, the supreme court weighing former president trump's unprecedented claim. absolute presidential immunity. the argument the president can never face criminal prosecution for anything they do in office linked to their official duties without presidential immunity from criminal prosecution, there can be no presidency as we know it. the claim central to trump's...
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the claim is central to trump's defense in the january 6th case that special counsel jack smith brought on trump says many of the election interference efforts smith alleges were official acts. liberal justices are not buying the argument. >> the framers did not put an immunity clause into the constitution. wasn't the whole point that the president was not a monarch and the president was not supposed to be above the law. >> conservatives on the high court are not fully embracing trump's defense, but they maintain the president needs some protections from prosecution. >> he makes a mistake. he's subject to the criminal laws just like anybody else. you don't think he's in a special a peculiarly precarious position >> to send this case back down to the trial court, if that happens, it would mean significant delays for trump's election interference case. back to you at the desk. reggie and julian. >> thanks, amanda. coming up on abc seven mornings, tech investors are getting some encouraging news. what's driving revenue for google and microsoft . >> and we want to give you a live look at th
the claim is central to trump's defense in the january 6th case that special counsel jack smith brought on trump says many of the election interference efforts smith alleges were official acts. liberal justices are not buying the argument. >> the framers did not put an immunity clause into the constitution. wasn't the whole point that the president was not a monarch and the president was not supposed to be above the law. >> conservatives on the high court are not fully embracing...
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smith, accusing him of plotting to overturn the 2020 election must be thrown out because he is immune, because he was president. what is that based on, nothing. it's not in the constitution. and no president has ever asserted this before, so it's, and it's been rejected soundly by two lower courts, by the trial judge in that case, as well as by three judges of the district of columbia circuit court, but it's gotten a hearing in the supreme court, but there's no textual support for it. there's no historical support for it. it's a question of is there a practical support for it? >> okay. if not explicit, are there still things in the constitution that have been interpreted to mean that presidents should be given broad latitude to do what they think is right in the moment, and then maybe if it turns out to be judged to be not right, or perhaps even criminal, that they would still be given some leeway. is there anything like that at all? >> well, there are supreme court cases that have made interpretation. so, for example, we know that presidents are immune from civil suits, from private
smith, accusing him of plotting to overturn the 2020 election must be thrown out because he is immune, because he was president. what is that based on, nothing. it's not in the constitution. and no president has ever asserted this before, so it's, and it's been rejected soundly by two lower courts, by the trial judge in that case, as well as by three judges of the district of columbia circuit court, but it's gotten a hearing in the supreme court, but there's no textual support for it. there's...
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smith. they're coming after me because they want to come after you and take away your rights and choice of president. it is you that are after. he has been successful and that messaging. it is an important part of his campaign. >> opening statements are set for monday, joyce. the government goes first. what will you be watching for? >> reporter: opening statements are the party's first opportunity to share their theory of the case. you are not permitted to argue the evidence but you can predict what it will look like. especially from prosecutors, we will get a good layout of what they think their case will look like. we have some expectation of that from the indictment. this will fill in some of the details. on donald trump's side, it is not clear what we will hear. will we hear a layout of the defense gimmick will they say that donald trump was not having affairs with these women? something he has adjusted at before. most importantly, will his lawyers promised, as donald trump has, that he
smith. they're coming after me because they want to come after you and take away your rights and choice of president. it is you that are after. he has been successful and that messaging. it is an important part of his campaign. >> opening statements are set for monday, joyce. the government goes first. what will you be watching for? >> reporter: opening statements are the party's first opportunity to share their theory of the case. you are not permitted to argue the evidence but you...
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smith in the federal january 6th election case against him. joining me now is -- von hillier. i know you have been reading into this and going through the indictment. first of all, set up what happened here in terms of the investigation, whose office did the investigation, how long it took and what attorney general mays announced today. >> it is important for folks that may be saying, why did this investigation takes a long, why is it the year 2024 before the indictment came down. folks should understand in the state of arizona, it was a republican -- who was the attorney general in the two years following the 2020 election. chris mays did not come into the position until winning the crucial november election in 2022. that is what led to the investigation. over the course of the year, this was a sprawling investigation that led to not only the 11 fake electors being indicted, but also the seven other individual year. if we look at the 11 individuals, i think number one, when you look from an arizona perspective, there was not much effort to hi
smith in the federal january 6th election case against him. joining me now is -- von hillier. i know you have been reading into this and going through the indictment. first of all, set up what happened here in terms of the investigation, whose office did the investigation, how long it took and what attorney general mays announced today. >> it is important for folks that may be saying, why did this investigation takes a long, why is it the year 2024 before the indictment came down. folks...
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smith in the federal january 6 election case against him joining me now with the latest is nbc news correspondent, vaughn hillyard. i know you have been reading into this and going through the indictment, so just the first of all, just set up what happened here in terms of the investigation, whose office did the investigation, how long it took and what attorney general mays announced today. >> i think it is important for folks that may be saying why did this investigation take so long, why is it the year 2024 for this indictment finally came down? will folks should also understand that in the state of arizona, it was a republican, mark brnovich was his name who was the attorney general the two years following the 2020 election. kris mayes didn't come into her position until winning that crucial november election in 2022 point that is what led to this investigation. over the course of this year, this was a sprawling investigation that led to not only the 11 alternate electors, the 11 fake electors being indicted but also the seven under individuals here if we just look at the 11 indi
smith in the federal january 6 election case against him joining me now with the latest is nbc news correspondent, vaughn hillyard. i know you have been reading into this and going through the indictment, so just the first of all, just set up what happened here in terms of the investigation, whose office did the investigation, how long it took and what attorney general mays announced today. >> i think it is important for folks that may be saying why did this investigation take so long,...
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smith for his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election. the liberal justices pressed trump's lawyers on where that argument could lead if the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person in and he orders the military or orders someone to assassinate him, is that within his official acts that for which he can get immunity? but the conservative justices made the case that presidents need some protection. >> presidents have to make a lot of tough decisions about enforcing the law, and they have to make decisions about questions that are unsettled. did i understand you to say, well, you know, if he makes a mistake, he makes a mistake. he's subject to the criminal laws just like anybody else. you don't think he's in a special a peculiarly precarious position. >> the takeaway from yesterday's arguments expect a delay in thel laws just like anybody else. you don't think he's in a special a peculiarly precarious position. >> the takeaway from yesterday's arguments expect a delay in the former national enquirer publisher david pecker was ba
smith for his alleged efforts to overturn the 2020 election. the liberal justices pressed trump's lawyers on where that argument could lead if the president decides that his rival is a corrupt person in and he orders the military or orders someone to assassinate him, is that within his official acts that for which he can get immunity? but the conservative justices made the case that presidents need some protection. >> presidents have to make a lot of tough decisions about enforcing the...
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he put himself on that team to go after trump and now on the jack smith and arguing the case for jack smith today. very interesting. >> dana: we are going to have a chance at 10:00 a.m. to hear the justices and the argument. you will be inside. so you know the justices well and pay attention to a lot of this. what are you listening for today? is there anyone in particular you are expecting to weigh in heavily? >> you know i'll be keeping an eye on the chief justice. he tries to guide the court with a narrow hand in many cases, incrementally. if they find there is some scope of immunity for these particular actions where do they set the boundaries? i think listening to the questions about whether they are open to that issue of immunity and how far it might go. if we see who is trying to probe what the outer boundaries of that would be, these arguments are set for an hour but nothing else on the docket today. i expect we go well beyond that. this is a moment in history for the justices to decide. we don't know what the vote was to take up the case, who voted yes or no or who wants to he
he put himself on that team to go after trump and now on the jack smith and arguing the case for jack smith today. very interesting. >> dana: we are going to have a chance at 10:00 a.m. to hear the justices and the argument. you will be inside. so you know the justices well and pay attention to a lot of this. what are you listening for today? is there anyone in particular you are expecting to weigh in heavily? >> you know i'll be keeping an eye on the chief justice. he tries to...
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smith case. does it go away, go forward, or a combination of the two which starts things from square one again and makes things a bit more complicated and delays it until after the election? >> dana: earlier today i asked and he mccarthy a political question. this is about presidents and presidential immunity but election year. if you are the biden white house and biden campaign how do you think they look at this and how do they want the justices to rule? >> i think they would want the justices to rule that the former president was acting not in his official capacity but as an office seeker. but two things. one is first of all, to some degree this has already been a victory for donald trump because this has delayed the start of the trial by jack smith and as a result has put him in the middle of a political campaign. we have a highly divisive electorate, highly divided with republicans on one side, democrats on the other cheering for their respective squads and as a result, it has energized presi
smith case. does it go away, go forward, or a combination of the two which starts things from square one again and makes things a bit more complicated and delays it until after the election? >> dana: earlier today i asked and he mccarthy a political question. this is about presidents and presidential immunity but election year. if you are the biden white house and biden campaign how do you think they look at this and how do they want the justices to rule? >> i think they would want...
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smith. the supreme court focused on the presidency and not trump. that gets to something that president trump said moments ago. here is what he said just walking into court. >> yesterday i the supreme court having to do with immunity. i heard the argument was brilliant. i listened to it last night and thought it was great. the judges' questions were great and all presidents have to have immunity. this has nothing to do with me. absolutely nothing. all presidents have to have immunity. or you don't have a president. certainly not a president the founders wanted. >> shannon: that seemed to be a lot of what the justices were reading through yesterday. what's the future implication not just for this case but for presidents to come? i think it was justice gorsuch said we're writing a rule for the ages. >> exactly. that is the question here. not just about what you think of donald trump. but about whether or not the presidency, the institution of the presidency is protected from lawsuits that coul
smith. the supreme court focused on the presidency and not trump. that gets to something that president trump said moments ago. here is what he said just walking into court. >> yesterday i the supreme court having to do with immunity. i heard the argument was brilliant. i listened to it last night and thought it was great. the judges' questions were great and all presidents have to have immunity. this has nothing to do with me. absolutely nothing. all presidents have to have immunity. or...
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jack smith wants one before the election. >> dana: david spunt in washington, d.c. for us. thank you so much. joining us for more on all this is attorney will sharp. he is on the legal team representing former president trump before the u.s. supreme court and a candidate for missouri attorney general. thank you for making time for us today. david axelrod was a campaign consultant and worked in the white house for obama. he now has a big podcast and tweeted this yesterday. based oh than what we heard today from scotus it may seem trump may skate past the election without standing trial on the january 6th charges. if so the new york city trial is likely the only he will face pre-november. under the circumstances the best scenario he could have hoped for. how do you see it? >> we were certainly optimistic coming out of the supreme court yesterday. they seem to be taking this issue of presidential immunity, the scope of presidential immunity, very seriously and they seemed very receptive to our arguments without a robust presidential immunity for a president's official acts in
jack smith wants one before the election. >> dana: david spunt in washington, d.c. for us. thank you so much. joining us for more on all this is attorney will sharp. he is on the legal team representing former president trump before the u.s. supreme court and a candidate for missouri attorney general. thank you for making time for us today. david axelrod was a campaign consultant and worked in the white house for obama. he now has a big podcast and tweeted this yesterday. based oh than...
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smith's january 6th election interference case. and it comes as the court is suffering some of its lowest public support with majorities now seeing it as partisan and many say unethical. political oversight on conflicts of interest. all of that as a backdrop. this is not the first time the high court has been caught in the middle of a case that is decide a presidential election. in 2000, the court effectively decided that george w. bush was elected by ending a recount in florida that would have given al gore 537 more votes. gore conceded in a gracious speech that is widely praised to this day. the court's decision was accepted by the public. here with me now is retired supreme court associate justice stephen breyer. of course, participated in that case, and his new book is "reading the constitution, why i chose pragmatism, not textualism." congratulations on a fascinating book. >> thank you. >> i want to go through that with you and through some of the precedents you were involved in. so in discussing that book, and cases like pres
smith's january 6th election interference case. and it comes as the court is suffering some of its lowest public support with majorities now seeing it as partisan and many say unethical. political oversight on conflicts of interest. all of that as a backdrop. this is not the first time the high court has been caught in the middle of a case that is decide a presidential election. in 2000, the court effectively decided that george w. bush was elected by ending a recount in florida that would have...
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. >> and jack smith and in his brief gave that offering that there could be a way to parse this rather than throw everything out. paul, lisa, kudos to you for everything that you are doing. thank you so much. >>> and anti-war protests on college campuses today reminding many of the unrest we saw at the height of the vietnam war in 1968. we know lbj decided not to even run for a full term after that. next i'll speak with someone who was there, an incredible historian all of her firsthand knowledge of the 60s. that is coming up next. that is coming up next zyrtec allergy relief works fast and lasts a full 24 hours so dave can be the... deliverer of dance. ok, dave! let's be more than our allergies. zeize the day with zyrtec. weeds... they have you surrounded. take your lawn back! with scotts turf builder triple action! it gets three jobs done at once - kills weeds. prevents crabgrass. and keeps it growing strong. download the my lawn app today for lawn care tips and customized plans. feed your lawn. feed it. new herbal essences sulfate free. packed with pure aloe and camellia flower oil
. >> and jack smith and in his brief gave that offering that there could be a way to parse this rather than throw everything out. paul, lisa, kudos to you for everything that you are doing. thank you so much. >>> and anti-war protests on college campuses today reminding many of the unrest we saw at the height of the vietnam war in 1968. we know lbj decided not to even run for a full term after that. next i'll speak with someone who was there, an incredible historian all of her...
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special counsel, jack smith, disagrees. in a 66 page filing, smith blasted the argument, sing "the radical suggestion that would free the president from virtually all criminal law, even crimes such as bribery, murder, treason, and sedition is unfounded." let's bring in our nb's -- msnbc legal analyst and molly is still with us. carol, it's taken an exceptionally long time to get to this moment. i think, troublingly long. what are the big things you're watching for, and were you at all concerned about how slow this hearing was? >> well, to answer your first question, what we are going to be looking for, here, is how the court ends up dividing, if they divide, on certain issues. fundamentally, there are two big issues the supreme court has agreed to to get to a resolution on the first is whether the president, in the events leading up to january 6th, was really acting in presidential capacity, whether he was exercising presidential duties or whether the even enter the outer perimeter of his wrath -- of his presidential duties
special counsel, jack smith, disagrees. in a 66 page filing, smith blasted the argument, sing "the radical suggestion that would free the president from virtually all criminal law, even crimes such as bribery, murder, treason, and sedition is unfounded." let's bring in our nb's -- msnbc legal analyst and molly is still with us. carol, it's taken an exceptionally long time to get to this moment. i think, troublingly long. what are the big things you're watching for, and were you at all...
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the results of this could upend special counsel's jack smith case against the president. it is part of a busy week for justices who on monday grappled with the nation's homelessness crisis weighing up a ban on sleeping outside on in public being cruel and unusual punishment. a decision there is expected this summer. on tuesday the court will hear arguments will hear arguments on a case regarding whether starbucks will have to rehire fired union activists. they will also hear a case on a near total abortion ban in ashlee good. let's have a look now at some of the stories making news. the world health organization says contaminated cough syrup sold in several african countries is no longer on the market, and presents no �*immdiate public health risk.�* it follows a recall by nigeria after testing found a batch of the benylin paediatric syrup contained unacceptable levels of the toxin diethylene glycol. kenya, rwanda, tanzania, zimbabwe and south africa also pulled the product from shelves. taiwan's east coast was struck by more than 80 earthquakes monday night into tues
the results of this could upend special counsel's jack smith case against the president. it is part of a busy week for justices who on monday grappled with the nation's homelessness crisis weighing up a ban on sleeping outside on in public being cruel and unusual punishment. a decision there is expected this summer. on tuesday the court will hear arguments will hear arguments on a case regarding whether starbucks will have to rehire fired union activists. they will also hear a case on a near...
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but jack smith, the special counsel who is, of course, prosecuting donald trump for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election and the events around january the sixth and the attack on the capitol, he says no—one is above the law, and that's what the justices have been wrestling with. they, i think, were pretty sceptical of the idea of total immunity from prosecution. now, that may be bad news for donald trump, but they also may want to make a kind of distinction between acts done as a private citizen or for private reasons, and acts done as official as part of the officialjob. and that may mean they push this back down to the lower courts, which could delay the case even further. and we're already looking at a very tight timetable forjack smith, the special counsel, to bring this case before the election. donald trump himself was not in washington — he was in a courtroom in new york, where the first ever criminal trial of a us president is under way, and he addressed the supreme court case. the us supreme court had a monumental hearing on immunity and the immunity having to do with the
but jack smith, the special counsel who is, of course, prosecuting donald trump for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election and the events around january the sixth and the attack on the capitol, he says no—one is above the law, and that's what the justices have been wrestling with. they, i think, were pretty sceptical of the idea of total immunity from prosecution. now, that may be bad news for donald trump, but they also may want to make a kind of distinction between acts done as a...
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but jack smith, the special counsel who is, of course, prosecuting donald trump for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election and the events around january 6 and the attack on the capitol. he says no—one is above the law, and that's what the justices have been wrestling with. they, i think, were pretty sceptical of the idea of total immunity from prosecution. now, that may be bad news for donald trump, but they also may want to make a kind of distinction between acts done as a private citizen or for private reasons, and acts done as official as part of the officialjob. and that may mean they push this back down to the lower courts, which could delay the case even further. and we're already looking at a very tight timetable forjack smith, the special counsel, to bring this case before the election. pro—palestinian protests on american university and college campuses are spreading, with hundreds of arrests, as police confront the demonstrators. some are likening the student activism to the wave of protests during the vietnam war in the late 1960s. unrest intensified last week after studen
but jack smith, the special counsel who is, of course, prosecuting donald trump for his attempts to overturn the 2020 election and the events around january 6 and the attack on the capitol. he says no—one is above the law, and that's what the justices have been wrestling with. they, i think, were pretty sceptical of the idea of total immunity from prosecution. now, that may be bad news for donald trump, but they also may want to make a kind of distinction between acts done as a private...
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jack smith, the special counsel prosecuting donald trump for his attempt to overturn the 2020 election and the events around january 6, the attack on the capital, he said no one is above the law. that is what the justices have been working with. they i think were skeptical of the idea of total immunity from prosecution. that may be bad news for donald trump. they also made a distention between acts done as a private citizen for private reasons and acts done as official, as a part of the official job. that may mean they will push this back down to the lower courts, which could delay the case even further. we are already looking at a very tight timetable for jack smith the special counsel to bring this case before the election. of course, we also know, don't we, if donald trump were to win november's election, in this case still hanging over him, he could simply ask the justice department to drop it. caitriona: gary at the u.s. supreme court and manhattan, thank you both for joining us. with me now and studio is marcus childress, the former investigative council for the congressional com
jack smith, the special counsel prosecuting donald trump for his attempt to overturn the 2020 election and the events around january 6, the attack on the capital, he said no one is above the law. that is what the justices have been working with. they i think were skeptical of the idea of total immunity from prosecution. that may be bad news for donald trump. they also made a distention between acts done as a private citizen for private reasons and acts done as official, as a part of the...
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and certainly not on the timeframe that jack smith wants. there is a lot of interesting questions raised by the court here on both sides of the aisle. they have a lot to sort through and muddle through, really, given the lack of caselaw law they have to rely on. and it is very likely that they send this back down for some clarification and some of these points regarding the prosecution. christian: this issue of whether acts were committed uer official duties, it is an important point. you can see why the supreme court wants to get this right. if you back to the case of george w. bush at the -- at the time of the iraq invasion, he went into iraq without a u.n. resolution, there were some people who wanted to bring a prosecution against him on crimes of aggression. it would be limiting for a president, if there was not immunity, for some acts that were carried out within official duties. sara yeah, that's right. trump's team raises some legitimate points here, legitimate arguments about essentially stunting the ability of the president to do t
and certainly not on the timeframe that jack smith wants. there is a lot of interesting questions raised by the court here on both sides of the aisle. they have a lot to sort through and muddle through, really, given the lack of caselaw law they have to rely on. and it is very likely that they send this back down for some clarification and some of these points regarding the prosecution. christian: this issue of whether acts were committed uer official duties, it is an important point. you can...
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but that is what special counsel jack smith asked for. he actually said the justices should expedite this case so they can make a decision by the end of the term, so that is what they are going to do. whether or not this is going to go past too long before intervention, it will happen in november, that will be up to how the court writes it. there will still be decisions left for lower courts to resolve. norah? >> norah: all right, really interesting. jan crawford, thank you. instead of being at those supreme court hearings, donald trump was in a courthouse in lower manhattan for his so-called hush money trial. that's where we find cbs's robert costa. good evening, robert. >> reporter: good evening, norah. former president donald trump isn't attacking david pecker, the former publisher of the "national enquirer," just yet, but pecker's testimony today here in lower manhattan the direct and trump, offering new details about an alleged catch and kill operation to influence the 2016 election. this morning, former president trump weighed in on
but that is what special counsel jack smith asked for. he actually said the justices should expedite this case so they can make a decision by the end of the term, so that is what they are going to do. whether or not this is going to go past too long before intervention, it will happen in november, that will be up to how the court writes it. there will still be decisions left for lower courts to resolve. norah? >> norah: all right, really interesting. jan crawford, thank you. instead of...
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the high court's decision would determine whether or not special counsel jack smith can move forward with his case charging trump with scheming to overturn the 2020 presidential election results which trump denies. >> never recognized this sort of immunity from criminal prosecution that trump is requesting. so i think it's a pretty uphill battle for the trump side. >> reporter: if the court rules against the former president's immunity claims, his election interference trial could possibly start before the election this november. though the court could also decide to send the case back to the lower courts. legal experts say that would also add even more delays to the proceedings. >> the supreme court understands that time is of the essence here and that all sides and the public all want a prompt decision, whatever that may be. >> reporter: the supreme court's decision is expected to come by early july. the justices have multiple paths to decide this case. and how quickly the court moves today following the arguments ultimately depends on whether the justices agree on a decision. anne
the high court's decision would determine whether or not special counsel jack smith can move forward with his case charging trump with scheming to overturn the 2020 presidential election results which trump denies. >> never recognized this sort of immunity from criminal prosecution that trump is requesting. so i think it's a pretty uphill battle for the trump side. >> reporter: if the court rules against the former president's immunity claims, his election interference trial could...
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yesterday's historic high-court arguments stem from special counsel jack smith's case charging trump with plotting to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. >> whatever we decide is going to apply to all future presidents. >> reporter: the justices suggested that presidents should have some level of protection from criminal prosecution for official acts, though with that came more questions. >> how exactly would we determine what the -- what an official act is? >> reporter: the supreme court is expected to issue its ruling by early summer. so depending on that ruling and whether the court says presidents have some immunity but not full immunity, this could end up getting sent back to a lower court which likely would delay the election interference trial until after this november's election. >> i suspect that's part of the plan. jarred hill in new york. thank you. >> reporter: thanks. >>> onto the other criminal case, as we said. trump's criminal trial continues today in manhattan. the defense is expected to resume cross-examination of the lead prosecution witness, fo
yesterday's historic high-court arguments stem from special counsel jack smith's case charging trump with plotting to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. >> whatever we decide is going to apply to all future presidents. >> reporter: the justices suggested that presidents should have some level of protection from criminal prosecution for official acts, though with that came more questions. >> how exactly would we determine what the -- what an official act...
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supreme court's decision will determine whether special counsel jack smith can try trump for his alleged efforts to interfere with the 2020 election. >>two lower courts have already rejected trump's claims of immunity, but legal hey, it's possible the supreme court will look for a middle ground, >>>>not go the full distance >>that trump is requesting, but they might be willing to recognize a more limb. form of criminal immunity. the supreme court's decision >ryan>is expected by july >>possibility that the supreme court sends the case back to the lower court. other days, and even if the supreme court sides >ryan>with the justice department remains to be seen >>whether the special counsel have enough time to try this case before action still ahead at noon and streaming on cbs >ryan>news bay area gas prices soar >>find out which part of the bay is selling a gas gallon of gas for more than dolls and a new ruling by the epa. could be >ryan>1 of the biden administration is toughest constraints my name is douglas. i'm a writer/director and i'm still working. in the kind of work that i do, you a
supreme court's decision will determine whether special counsel jack smith can try trump for his alleged efforts to interfere with the 2020 election. >>two lower courts have already rejected trump's claims of immunity, but legal hey, it's possible the supreme court will look for a middle ground, >>>>not go the full distance >>that trump is requesting, but they might be willing to recognize a more limb. form of criminal immunity. the supreme court's decision...
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the high court's decision would determine whether or not special counsel jack smith can move forward with his case charging trump with scheming to overturn the 2020 presidential election results which trump denies. >> never recognized this sort of immunity from criminal prosecution that trump is requesting. so i think it's a pretty uphill battle for the trump side. >> reporter: if the court rules against the former president'simmunity claims his trial on election interference charges could possibly start before the election this november. though the court could also decide to send the case back to the lower courts. legal experts say that would also add even more delays to the proceedings. >> the supreme court understands that time is of the essence here. and that all sides and the public all want a prompt decision. whatever that may be. >> reporter: the supreme court's decision is expected to come by early july. and the justices have multiple paths to decide this case and how quickly the court comes to a decision ultimately depends on what these justices look for in terms of an agree
the high court's decision would determine whether or not special counsel jack smith can move forward with his case charging trump with scheming to overturn the 2020 presidential election results which trump denies. >> never recognized this sort of immunity from criminal prosecution that trump is requesting. so i think it's a pretty uphill battle for the trump side. >> reporter: if the court rules against the former president'simmunity claims his trial on election interference...
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on thursday, the supreme court will hear arguments that could determine whether special counsel jack smith will be able to prosecute trump for his efforts, alleged efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. that case carries much greater penalties if he were to be convicted in that case. two of the charges carry 20 years in prison. the supreme court will be hearing arguments on whether or not trump can be prosecuted. he's arguing that he's absolutely immune, he has immunity from prosecution in that case. he wanted to go to the arguments to sit there and watch the justices as they take up this issue in a very special hearing they just set outside of their normal argument calendar to decide it on a pretty expedited basis. the judge in the new york case turned him down, said he would be in new york. he will be sitting in that courtroom in new york, assuming they have trial on thursday, which they are expected to, while the justices are deliberating and hearing arguments in a case that will decide if he will be tried by the special counsel. that is all on the hori
on thursday, the supreme court will hear arguments that could determine whether special counsel jack smith will be able to prosecute trump for his efforts, alleged efforts to overturn the results of the 2020 presidential election. that case carries much greater penalties if he were to be convicted in that case. two of the charges carry 20 years in prison. the supreme court will be hearing arguments on whether or not trump can be prosecuted. he's arguing that he's absolutely immune, he has...
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the high court's decision would determine whether or not special counsel jack smith can move forward with his case charging trump with scheming to overturn the 2020 presidential election results, which trump denies. >> it had never recognized this sort of immunity from criminal prosecution that trump is requesting. so i think it's a pretty uphill battle for the trump side. >> reporter: if the court rules against the former president's immunity claims, his trial on election interference charges could possibly start before the election this november, though the court could also decide to send the case back to the lower courts. legal experts say that would also add even more delays to the proceedings. >> the supreme court understands that time is of the essence here. and that all sides and the public all want a prompt decision, whatever that may be. >> reporter: the supreme court's decision is expected to come by early july. these justices have multiple paths to decide how they want to move forward in this case. and how quickly the court moves forward ultimately depends on how they go f
the high court's decision would determine whether or not special counsel jack smith can move forward with his case charging trump with scheming to overturn the 2020 presidential election results, which trump denies. >> it had never recognized this sort of immunity from criminal prosecution that trump is requesting. so i think it's a pretty uphill battle for the trump side. >> reporter: if the court rules against the former president's immunity claims, his trial on election...
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the decision by the way is likely to have huge implications on special counsel jack smith's election interference case against donald trump as well as in year's presidential race. >>> newly returned from china, san francisco mayor london breed now on the stump for votes in san francisco. she wants to keep her job and is making the case to voters at the neighborhood level. she's got some major opposition you see here. several high-profile challengers. campaigning on promises of change. each touting their own solutions to the city's problems from crime to the housing crisis. the candidates are all deploying a strategy and that is to get into neighborhoods to have face-to-face conversations and wilson walker went along with mayor breed who is doing the same. this time at san bruno avenue in the portola district. >> oh my goodness. you -- leon, you got my grandmothers out here in the cold. >> reporter: in a blustery afternoon wind, mayor london breed hit san bruno avenue, going door-to-door along a business corridor with a large chinese population in a sure sign that the campaign and han
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the high court's eventual ruling will determine whether or not special counsel jack smith can move forward in charging trump with election interference, sachar a charge trump has denied earlier this morning, a bay area law professor told us the supreme court has never recognized the kind of immunity that trump is seeking. >>there is no specific language to go back to in the constitution. the immunity, doctrine. is based on on what's called common law, which is a old law and principles. but there's not going to be an argument about the specific language of a part of the constitution. as there has been in different cases, so the justices will look toward the original purpose of having certain kinds of immunity from prosecution. >gianna>if the court rules against trump his trial on election interference charges could possibly start before the next election in november. a ruling is expected by early july. yeah. big shakeup in berkeley as an undergrad makes history for the city time now is 910 this morning? let's get a check. on what happening. around the bay today. in honor of april being 2nd
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but that's what special counsel jack smith asked for. he actually said the justices should expedite this case so that they could have a decision by the end of the term. so that's what they're doing to do. whether or not this is going to go past too long before an election will be held in november, that's going to be up to how the court writes it and whether there are still issues left for lower courts to resolve. norah. >> really interesting. jan crawford, thank you. >>> instead of being at those supreme court hearings, donald trump was in a courthouse in lower manhattan for his so-called hush money trial. that's where we find cbs's robert costa. good evening, robert. >> reporter: good evening, norah. former president donald trump isn't attacking david pecker, the former publisher of the "national enquirer," just yet, but pecker's testimony here today in lower manhattan could threaten trump, offering new details about an alleged catch and kill operation to influence the 2016 election. this morning, former president trump weighed in on a
but that's what special counsel jack smith asked for. he actually said the justices should expedite this case so that they could have a decision by the end of the term. so that's what they're doing to do. whether or not this is going to go past too long before an election will be held in november, that's going to be up to how the court writes it and whether there are still issues left for lower courts to resolve. norah. >> really interesting. jan crawford, thank you. >>> instead...
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and one thing that's special counsel jack smith points do is 1974 parts pardon by gerald ford of richard nixon after watergate and he said the reason the president pardon him, president ford pardoned him and what everyone accepted at the time was that richard nixon would have been subject to criminal prosecution for what went on during watergate. and he said that that instance is part of a long history in america of an understanding that former presidents could be prosecuted criminally. so it is really donald trump who's trying to break that norm, but you know, we'll have to see what kinds of questions that justices have on thursday. kate, it'll be a very consequential ruling when it eventually comes absolutely, joan. thank you so much thank you very much. thank you, john. all right. we are minutes away from opening statements in the new york criminal case against donald trump. this is a history-making moment with us now for a minute hadn't prosecutor jeremy saland, so take me behind the scenes right now prosecutors really minutes away from delivering their opening statements. what are t
and one thing that's special counsel jack smith points do is 1974 parts pardon by gerald ford of richard nixon after watergate and he said the reason the president pardon him, president ford pardoned him and what everyone accepted at the time was that richard nixon would have been subject to criminal prosecution for what went on during watergate. and he said that that instance is part of a long history in america of an understanding that former presidents could be prosecuted criminally. so it...
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again, that's bad for jack smith. timeline. so if you're the former president, all you so we're looking for here is no bold action by the court. you don't want a decisive, sweeping decision that said the immunity. you want something either in the middle, four, four victory. i don't think any serious legal scholars think the court is going to come out and adopt an absolute immunity framework. but there is a real risk that they're going to do something in the middle at all. that's going to have this case dragging on. & you look at the timeline, will under so far the court has not moved quickly here. they have not act like this case is truly an emergency. so i don't suspect they're going to do so with their decision. >> even though a lot of it has gone under the label of expedited and emergencies but i guess those are all relative terms when it comes to the supreme as you guys well know, elliott, let's turn to arizona really quickly. is this indictment that happened overnight? is this the two-point version of georgia with the bigg
again, that's bad for jack smith. timeline. so if you're the former president, all you so we're looking for here is no bold action by the court. you don't want a decisive, sweeping decision that said the immunity. you want something either in the middle, four, four victory. i don't think any serious legal scholars think the court is going to come out and adopt an absolute immunity framework. but there is a real risk that they're going to do something in the middle at all. that's going to have...
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both donald trump & jack smith, their lawyers point to history the constitution, both saying that it works in their favor for donald trump's side. he says separation of powers. the idea that the three branches are independent of each other means that judges cannot sit in judgment of the former president, whereas jack smith are used that there was never any kind of criminal immunity foreseen by the framers of the constitution. any points to a more modern day precedent? that involves former president richard nixon, who was forced out of office in 1974 because of his actions during the watergate scandal and his own effort to try to ensure his reelection back in 1972 but in 1974, after he was forced out, then president gerald ford pardoned richard nixon. and that pardon jack smith argues, was a recognition that nixon could have been subject to criminal prosecution if he had not been pardoned. so those are the dueling arguments the justices will hear. but bottom line, this trial of donald trump in this particular case has already been postponed since its original march start date because
both donald trump & jack smith, their lawyers point to history the constitution, both saying that it works in their favor for donald trump's side. he says separation of powers. the idea that the three branches are independent of each other means that judges cannot sit in judgment of the former president, whereas jack smith are used that there was never any kind of criminal immunity foreseen by the framers of the constitution. any points to a more modern day precedent? that involves former...
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optimum tonight, donald trump and jack smith prepare for a final battle. >> before the supreme court, but has trump already won? i'll explain. >> plus new indictment against trump allies. we giuliani and mark meadows, there are now facing in zona for trying to overturn the 2020 election and tensions are boiling over and pro-palestinian protests on campuses all across this country. we've got a live report part tonight, and laura coates live so imagine for the second, if hollywood came up with the plot, i'm going to tell you about the presumptive republican nominee for president of the united states goes on trial in his own hometown, she tried to falsifying business records to cover up some kind of a sex scandal and while he's there at the very same time, his lawyers go before the supreme court tried to get him out of two federal criminal trials that could frankly up and his chances at retaking the white house sound unbelievable. >> well, believe it. it's actually real life because it's exactly what's going to happen just a few hours from now tomorrow morning and trump, he can't be in t
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nauta was charged last june with lying to the fbi and obstructing special counsel jack smith investigation. our panel is back. gene, how significant is this? because it basically looks like they were telling him, hey, you should lie because will protect you. absolutely. >> when i prosecuted cases back in the day the substantive charges were important, i used to love witness tampering. i loved obstruction of justice because i loved it because it goes through their state of mind in their guilty conscience that is an example of a state of mind and guilty conscience. now, here's the problem. who's people is it, is, it, is it greedo? who's talking to bhabha, who's talking to donald trump, is there are three layers of hearsay or is it donald trump saying to this person, go tell nada, i got a pardon in my pocket for you we don't know that. >> right. it seems difficult to build like a pardon in my pocket for you i mean, jonah, it does seem to suggest that they knew just how bad this was though oh for sure. i think so. i think that's right. it's also worth pointing out, like in the original constit
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i just don't see this jack smith trial being litigated before the election, and the supreme probably knows how politically toxic it is, and they probably want to take their time on it. they don't want to be seen as tipping the scales in an election year either, right? >> but kate bedingfield, i mean, i have to say as i think about this in the big picture on the one hand shore, yeah. don't tip the scales right ahead of an election. but you can argue with the other way. and for the millions of americans, i think we should note that in the popular vote, democrats have been winning presidential elections. even in some cases where we end up with a republican president it is tipping the scales to not have this litigated before the 2024 election? yeah. i mean, these are really big fundamental questions. this is a question of former president's subverting of the constitution and yes, i mean, this is information that voters should have before they go to the polls in november that means that it polls show that people care about there is good or not. i do. do we do we see in the polling that ev
i just don't see this jack smith trial being litigated before the election, and the supreme probably knows how politically toxic it is, and they probably want to take their time on it. they don't want to be seen as tipping the scales in an election year either, right? >> but kate bedingfield, i mean, i have to say as i think about this in the big picture on the one hand shore, yeah. don't tip the scales right ahead of an election. but you can argue with the other way. and for the millions...
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smith the greenlight entirely to pursue these charges related to trump's actions on and around january six, the high court appears likely to leave a lot of the work to lower courts that could take months and further delay a trial that was originally set for march 4, we are also hours from trump returning to new york city courtroom for his hush money trial. >> the former tabloid publisher david pecker, back on the stand yesterday, describing to jurors how he paid a former playboy playmate to keep her quiet about an alleged affair with trump and how his decision not to pay for stormy daniels story led to michael cohen ultimately paying for it. judge juan merchan also announcing he'd hold a hearing next wednesday where he's going to make a decision about whether trump violated his gag order. that supposed to be an off day for the trial after court wrapped up yesterday, trump seemed to walk back his vow to testify in his hush money trial well, if it's necessary right now, i don't know if you heard about today. >> today, was just incredible. people are saying the experts, i'm talking about
smith the greenlight entirely to pursue these charges related to trump's actions on and around january six, the high court appears likely to leave a lot of the work to lower courts that could take months and further delay a trial that was originally set for march 4, we are also hours from trump returning to new york city courtroom for his hush money trial. >> the former tabloid publisher david pecker, back on the stand yesterday, describing to jurors how he paid a former playboy playmate...
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but that said they couldn't have done this in december when jack smith asked them to and they didn't. >> well, what would it off? what i think they should do here? something that is, they won't do this. i'm afraid, but they could say, look we're not going to decide whether the official acts of the president are subject to criminal prosecution. but we'll leave that for another time. what we're going to tell you is overthrowing the overthrowing election. it's not an official act and make a factual finding and it says, as they did in bush versus gore, which embarrassing versus them, but where they, they said look, someone has to do this. we'll do it, we'll say what the president did here are the former president. these are, these are crimes, these are clearly crimes. these, this is a coup. and now he can be prosecuted for those things when we are saying that legal question, we postpone the factual question, we decide here and now it doesn't seem like it, sir, what did you see yesterday? >> every time we find ourselves at a new junction on this particular issue, i become deeply enraged be
but that said they couldn't have done this in december when jack smith asked them to and they didn't. >> well, what would it off? what i think they should do here? something that is, they won't do this. i'm afraid, but they could say, look we're not going to decide whether the official acts of the president are subject to criminal prosecution. but we'll leave that for another time. what we're going to tell you is overthrowing the overthrowing election. it's not an official act and make a...
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deranged jack smith, the whole group of them. i think you will see some big changes being made. >> [shouting] mr. trump: you know what we are going to be doing? we are going to be saving america. our country is under siege. take a look at israel. it doesn't feel protected. biden doesn't know where he is. it is a real mess. >> [shouting] mr. trump: we will see what happens. >> to debrief you on his plan [inaudible] mr. trump: thank you. >> [shouting] [crowd cheering, shouting, clapping] >> [crowd chanting] usa! usa! usa! mr. trump: they come in with guns. ok? it is not good. he is going to be a movie star, you know that. forget about bodegas. he will be a movie star. we will send him to hollywood. goodbye, everybody. >> what is your plan for the rest of your time in new york? >> mr. president. >> [shouting] >> [crowd chanting] thank you. thank you. thank you. >> [shouting] >> mr. trump. mr. trump: we are going to go all over. weekends we are doing rallies all over the place. we have never had higher numbers than we have now. highe
deranged jack smith, the whole group of them. i think you will see some big changes being made. >> [shouting] mr. trump: you know what we are going to be doing? we are going to be saving america. our country is under siege. take a look at israel. it doesn't feel protected. biden doesn't know where he is. it is a real mess. >> [shouting] mr. trump: we will see what happens. >> to debrief you on his plan [inaudible] mr. trump: thank you. >> [shouting] [crowd cheering,...
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than i asked about the jack smith case, trump took that, did he take the codes? if you look at these cases, they seem so picky. neil: that is how it scored. it does stop him and doing other things. charles: the second part of the argument, it's a binary choice. look at president biden, look how bad he is and what he's doing with the economy. talking to people on wall street, what is the game plan for president biden if the fed doesn't cut rates which every day it seems like they are not. neil: the atlanta fed president said the whole rate thing. neil: june is off the table. charles: what is president biden doing? a number of things. he's ramping up spending get to astronomical levels. he is buying votes, student loan forgiveness and a lot more. janet yellen, as bad as trump was fiscally, janet yellen is issuing so much debt, she is issuing short-term debt so she doesn't screw up the 10 year yield on mortgage prices and -- neil: as treasury secretary you have to finance the new spending. neil: doing it -- compounding -- charles: not even that. the most fiscally ir
than i asked about the jack smith case, trump took that, did he take the codes? if you look at these cases, they seem so picky. neil: that is how it scored. it does stop him and doing other things. charles: the second part of the argument, it's a binary choice. look at president biden, look how bad he is and what he's doing with the economy. talking to people on wall street, what is the game plan for president biden if the fed doesn't cut rates which every day it seems like they are not. neil:...
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>> jack smith in his argument is preparing for that possibility. first he says, court, there's no absolute immunity, that's the initial argument. even if you find there's some immunity, some smaller sub sect, there are acts he took here not as president trump but as candidate trump, and you have this other set of actions, regardless of what you find about immunity, these actions are not covered. when he's call asking trying to find votes, he's not doing that because he's worried about the election system as a president, he's not worried about the election system and preserving its quality, he's doing that because he wants to be a president for a second term. he's doing that because he's furthering his personal interests of the trump campaign. i think the court here, if this was any other court, this would be a losing argument. what does a court do and when does it do it. delay is a big point. >> let me remind you guys an exchange from the d.c. court of appeals in january that a lot of people remember. here it is. >> could a president who ordered se
>> jack smith in his argument is preparing for that possibility. first he says, court, there's no absolute immunity, that's the initial argument. even if you find there's some immunity, some smaller sub sect, there are acts he took here not as president trump but as candidate trump, and you have this other set of actions, regardless of what you find about immunity, these actions are not covered. when he's call asking trying to find votes, he's not doing that because he's worried about the...